NYSE:CE Celanese Q3 2025 Earnings Results & Report $51.49 +0.23 (+0.46%) Closing price 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$51.45 -0.04 (-0.09%) As of 07:30 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. Celanese beat analyst earnings expectations but missed on revenue in its Q3 2025 results, released November 6, 2025. The company reported EPS of $1.34 versus the $1.27 consensus estimate, while revenue of $2.42 billion fell short of the $2.51 billion estimate by $93.72 million. Revenue decreased 8.6% year over year. Research:ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Earnings Announcement Details QuarterQ3 2025Report DateNovember 6, 2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateNovember 7, 2025Conference Call9:00 AM ET Celanese EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.34Consensus EPS $1.27Beat/MissBeat by +$0.07One Year Ago EPS$2.44EPS Beat Rate6 of last 8 quartersCelanese Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$2.42 billionExpected Revenue$2.51 billionBeat/MissMissed by -$93.72 millionYoY Revenue Growth-8.60%Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Celanese Q3 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 7, 2025ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Management expects to grow EPS by roughly $1–$2 in 2026 even with flattish demand, attributing about half of that to cost actions already underway and the remainder to gains from the engineered materials (EM) pipeline and new product launches. Positive Sentiment: EM pricing showed its best improvement in eight quarters and management sees further upside from pricing, mix and high‑impact program launches (supported by tools like the Kameel grade‑selection/AI tool) to drive 2026 volume and margin recovery. Negative Sentiment: The company will close the high‑cost Narco acetate‑tow asset, a move expected to yield roughly $20–$30M of productivity savings in 2027, highlighting structural weakness in parts of the acetates market. Positive Sentiment: The announced Micromax sale (~$500M) brings Celanese about halfway to its $1 billion divestiture target by end‑2027; proceeds (net of an estimated ~5% tax) are expected to help pay down maturities and support deleveraging. Negative Sentiment: A sizeable goodwill impairment was recorded in EM driven by a lower market capitalization (not by reduced projected cash flows), which reduces reported equity and may weigh on investor sentiment near term. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCelanese Q3 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:06Greetings. Welcome to the Celanese Corporation third quarter 2025 conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. The question-and-answer session will follow the prepared remarks. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Bill Cunningham. Thank you. You may begin. Bill CunninghamVP of Investor Relations at Celanese Corporation00:00:23Thanks, Daryl. Welcome to the Celanese Corporation third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. My name is Bill Cunningham, Vice President of Investor Relations. With me on the call today are Scott Richardson, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Chuck Kyrish, Chief Financial Officer. Celanese distributed its third quarter earnings release via Business Wire and posted prepared comments as well as a presentation on our Investor Relations website yesterday afternoon. As a reminder, we'll discuss non-GAAP financial measures today. You can find definitions of these measures as well as reconciliations to the comparable GAAP measures on our website. Today's presentation will also include forward-looking statements. Please review the cautionary language regarding forward-looking statements, which can be found at the end of both the press release and the prepared comments. Form 8-K reports containing all of these materials have also been submitted to the SEC. Bill CunninghamVP of Investor Relations at Celanese Corporation00:01:20With that, Daryl, let's go ahead and open it up for questions. Operator00:01:24Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. The confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two to remove yourself from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first questions come from the line of David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your questions. David BegleiterAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:01:49Thank you. Good morning and a nice quarter for Q3. Scott, looking at 2026, can you think of give us an early look at what you can control for 2026 and what's not in your control for 2026 relative to our earnings? Thank you. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:02:03Yeah. Thank you, David. Let me just start by saying how we have focused on 2025 continues into 2026. The priorities of increasing cash flow, intensifying our cost improvements, and then driving top-line growth. That third piece, I think, is going to continue to be more important as we're seeing progress from our EM pipeline. Those are going to be our priorities going into 2026. We have laid a really nice foundation here in 2025. That foundation, even if we're in an environment where we see flattish demand, and I kind of look at flattish demand on what we've seen, say, Q2 through Q4 here in 2025, if we're in that type of demand environment, just to make it easy, I believe we're going to be able to grow EPS by $1-$2 next year. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:02:55That is going to come from the cost actions that we have already put in place and that yielding increments next year. The second big piece is going to come from EM pipeline and the success we are seeing driving that, including the high-impact program growth, which is starting to yield results. Certainly, we will not have the Micromax EBITDA, but I think that is going to be offset by the fact that we do not expect to have the significant auto destocking that we saw in Europe in Q1 of this year. I think when you put it all together, we feel confident in about $1-$2, even if the world around us is not growing. David BegleiterAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:03:36Very good. Just on EM pricing, the best in eight quarters, discuss how much more there is to go in EM on the pricing front. Thank you. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:03:46There's always more that can be done here, David. We have gotten price in some of the standard-grade materials in the Western Hemisphere, not as much across the board as we want to see. I think there's still going to be opportunities there. In addition, where we're seeing good nice benefit is on the price for the new elements from the pipeline that are being launched. This is going to continue to be a very critical area of focus for us as we go into 2026. David BegleiterAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:04:17Thank you. Operator00:04:17Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Vincent Andrews with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions. Vincent AndrewsManaging Director at Morgan Stanley00:04:27Thank you and good morning. Could you speak a little bit about the operating rates and the acetyl chain? I know there were comments in the prepared remarks about sort of flexing Singapore based on demand, and Frankfurt's going to be, I guess, offline for the balance of the year. What do you anticipate, or maybe just back up, and what rates did you run at in the second half of this year? What do you anticipate in the first half of next year? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:04:57Yeah. Thanks, Vincent. Not to be flippant, but every day is different in this business. I do not say that as hyperbole. It is true. When you look at our lowest-cost assets, our lowest-cost assets are running at 100%. The balance of the network, which is really our asset base outside of the United States, is being flexed to meet demand, flexed to meet industry conditions. We are going to continue to operate that way. We have block-operated Singapore as well as Frankfurt. We would expect that to continue going into next year. Part of that is our manufacturing team has done an excellent job of being able to continue to operate with high degrees of reliability as well as find ways to no capital debottleneck our assets to where we have more capacity at those lower-cost assets. We are going to continue to flex that to meet demand. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:05:54I'd really look at lowest-cost asset base running full and then the rest of the network operating as needed. Vincent AndrewsManaging Director at Morgan Stanley00:06:03Thank you. Operator00:06:06Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Jeff Zekauskas with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your questions. Jeff ZekauskasAnalyst at JPMorgan00:06:13Thanks very much. In the acetyl chain, when you look at sequential pricing through the year, it's gotten tougher. Prices had come down a lot in China earlier in the year. Where is the sequential price pressure coming from in the acetyl chain, either by product line or geography? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:06:42Yeah. Thanks, Jeff. I think we've seen a little bit of pressure in Europe in kind of what I would say more the downstream. Getting into the vinyls chain, VAM, and emulsions as we've worked our way through the year. That was really demand-driven. As demand has come off, we've seen a little bit of pricing pressure there. We've seen a stabilization of pricing in China now over the course of the last quarter or so. In fact, pricing went up a little bit here at the beginning of this quarter. Not significantly, but we did see a price lift as we got into October, really across all product lines in China and acetyl. The U.S. has been relatively stable. That is kind of how I would look at it. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:07:28It's been more around a function of demand where demand has been weaker, and we've seen a little bit of softening of price in Europe. Jeff ZekauskasAnalyst at JPMorgan00:07:37Okay. In engineered materials, year-over-year, your consolidated volumes were down 8%. Which product lines are, I guess, falling more than that, and which product lines are falling less than that? Can you help us? I mean, it might be that there are particular pockets of weakness, or is it across the board? Can you talk about that? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:08:06Yeah. It's mainly the product lines, Jeff, that we have higher levels of volume and have just generally more market exposure in the standard-grade materials. That tends to be more of your engineered thermoplastics. That's your POM, your nylon, and then into GUR and polyesters. Our thermoplastic elastomers have held up extremely well. The team has actually found nice pockets of growth there. It's just that's not where we have as much volumetric exposure. It tends to be more on the engineered thermoplastic side of things. Jeff ZekauskasAnalyst at JPMorgan00:08:41Great. Thank you so much. Operator00:08:45Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Mike Sison with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your questions. Mike SisonManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:08:52Hey, good morning. Nice third quarter as well. For 2026, if I take a look at slide 11, it looks like cost savings could represent somewhere between $0.40-$0.50. In terms of the rest of the $1-$2, how much comes from potentially lower interest expense? I am just trying to gauge how much could come from volume growth and new products. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:09:21Yeah. I mean, given kind of the $-$2 that I talked about earlier, Mike, I would look at that's really split largely in two areas. One, about half of that is cost. And we did not put all of the cost actions on that slide. We have kind of an ambiguous bucket there on that last line of that graph. I think I would look at there's more to come. We had the announcement last week about the Lanaken enclosure. We are continuing to work the cost side of the equation extremely hard. We will talk more specifically about those as we complete those actions. About half of it is cost. The majority, the rest of it is really coming from the pipeline. That is kind of how we are thinking about things right now. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:10:11I mean, there's definitely going to be some things around the edges like interest, etc. But those are the two big buckets that we're looking at currently. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:10:21Hey, Mike. Mike SisonManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:10:22Got it. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:10:22It's Chuck. The rendered expense, I would pencil in $30 million-$40 million reduction year-over-year. Mike SisonManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:10:30Okay. Quick follow-up in EM in terms of the volume growth potential. How much is that coming from sort of the legacy, if you can think about it that way, the Celanese businesses, and how much comes from some of the DuPont? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:10:49I'll be honest with you, Mike. Right now, we're looking at that portfolio as all Celanese. We're not breaking it out. We're not operating the business of the company that way anymore. It really is about Celanese and products. What I would say is that engineered thermoplastics piece and the portfolio we have there has proven to be a really nice add for us. Part of that came from M&M. Part of that came with Santoprene. That's a really nice area of growth going into next year. It's a really important area for us to be differentiating the offerings that we have. That's been a really nice driver for us. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:11:28We are seeing really, as we look at this high-impact program area, I mean, there are end uses there that are extremely attractive where we are bringing both the engineered thermoplastics, so that is both historical Celanese and M&M, as well as the elastomer portfolio to bear in really high-performance type applications, whether that is data centers or in high-specification EV opportunities, medical opportunities. Across these spaces, we are really seeing as we have gotten extremely focused from a commercial team perspective on these areas, we think we are going to have nice pockets of growth in 2026. Mike SisonManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:12:16Thank you. Operator00:12:19Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Ghansham Panjabi with Baird. Please proceed with your questions. Ghansham PanjabiSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:12:25Thank you. Hi, good morning, everybody. Hey, Scott, just given the evolution of the macro throughout the course of the year and markets such as building construction and autos and so on, sequentially weakening, are you starting to see more accelerated inventory destocking at the customer level throughout the year-end, or are inventories already pretty low? What you are mirroring is just basically the end markets themselves at this point. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:12:51Yeah. Thanks, Ghansham. As I look at where demand is, it's certainly on a lower base than what we've seen historically. If we look at what we called out for seasonality from Q3 into Q4, on a volume metric and percentage basis, it's very similar to what we've seen in the past from Q3 to Q4. We're not necessarily seeing accelerated destocking. There's a few pockets. For example, our channel partners here in North America came to us at the beginning of the quarter and talked very openly about wanting to bring inventories down a little bit by year-end. That was great that we're able to partner with them. We can take rates down at our asset base and do it really in a thoughtful way over the course of the quarter and not just get to the end and have this big slug down. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:13:41I think there's definitely, I would say, pockets, but I wouldn't say it's something we're seeing extensively across the board because we've been seeing this kind of work its way through the value chain in various areas now for about six months. Ghansham PanjabiSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:13:57Okay. Got it. Maybe a question for Chuck on free cash flow. What's the expectation for working capital contribution for this year in 2025? How would you have us think about some of the parameters for 2026 free cash flow? I think you said at the low end of your guidance for this year. Thank you. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:14:13Right. Right. Yeah. So working capital so far this year has been a source of cash of $250 million as we've really focused on cash generation. I really don't expect much change in working capital, either source or use of cash in fourth quarter. I would model in zero at this point for working capital. As you look ahead for 2026, we don't expect with similar demand levels that we would repeat that $250 million of working capital source of cash. We are continuing our inventory actions in engineered materials. There will be some level of free cash flow source there. At this point, Ghansham, our cash outlay of restructuring, which is adjusted out of EBITDA, is looking to be lower in 2026 as we have some projects that have rolled off from prior footprint. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:15:09Adding to that, the EBITDA improvement that Scott's talked about on the cost and commercial side, that gives us confidence next year in free cash flow, at least at the low end of that $700 million-$800 million range. I think it's important to understand as we look ahead in the next few years, we think this level of free cash flow is sustainable. Ghansham PanjabiSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:15:30Okay. Very good. Thank you. Operator00:15:33Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Patrick Cunningham with Citi. Please proceed with your questions. Patrick CunninghamSenior Analyst at Citi00:15:40Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. The decision for the Lanaken enclosure, you cited evaluation of longer-term end market trends. I guess, did anything change in terms of your forward view on either the demand or supply side? As you look to evaluate other more targeted measures in AC, should we be looking to the Frankfurt facility, or do you expect more of a smaller collection of savings across the asset footprint? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:16:09Yeah. Thanks, Patrick. First of all, I think it's important. Look, we do not take any of these types of decisions lightly. We look at where things are in the near-term, long-term, and we study them. We also look at our ability to continue to supply our customers. Acetate tow has faced challenges, including declining demand over a period of time. Lanaken is our highest-cost asset. As we looked at where things are, we were able to meet all of our customer needs from our network and subsequently drive productivity savings with this move, both in the short-term and long-term, no matter what may materialize from a demand perspective. This closure will yield probably in the neighborhood of $20 million-$30 million of productivity savings in 2027. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:17:02We'll get a little bit at the end of next year probably on that, but certainly for the full year of 2027. That's the types of savings we're looking at. We're going to continue to look across our whole footprint in both businesses for similar types of examples. There's no specific asset, I would say, that we're looking at right now. It continues to be kind of cross-checking where industry demand is, where is our capacity, where do we maybe have excess capacity in the network that will allow us to drive that productivity, but still be able to meet customer demand even if we were to see a big increase down the road in recovery period. Patrick CunninghamSenior Analyst at Citi00:17:43Understood. Very helpful. Maybe one for Chuck, just in terms of progress on inventory reduction. You're still tracking well towards that goal. In the context of some of your comments in the prepared remarks, what percentage of SKUs are made-to-order today versus made-to-stock, and what goal are you working toward there? Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:18:03Hey, Patrick. Look, it's an ongoing effort to be more efficient with inventory. I don't have that percentage right in front of me of the number of made-to-stock SKUs, but it's one of the several levers that EM is working on to reduce inventory. It also includes logistics and warehousing and testing lead times, etc. Patrick CunninghamSenior Analyst at Citi00:18:32Good. Thank you. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:18:33Yep. Operator00:18:35Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research Partners. Please proceed with your questions. Kevin McCarthyEquity Research Analyst at Vertical Research Partners00:18:42Yes. Thank you and good morning. I think you identified $30 million-$50 million of additional savings that you're targeting in engineered materials. Can you elaborate on the sources of those and the flow-through timing and remind us if those figures are gross or net of inflation? Thanks. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:19:05Yeah. Let me hit the last part of your question. Kevin, I would look at those as net of inflation because we will work inflation through our productivity pipeline to offset that. Look at these as definitely being net. It is really looking across the board. There is continued SG&A and R&D savings there as we optimize that side of the business on a global basis. Footprint continues to be an area of focus that'll be in there. The last area is really things that we kind of call complexity reduction. Streamlining of our supply chain and our logistics network and really getting that optimized. I mean, Chuck just talked about the benefits we get from that on an inventory reduction. We also get cost reduction from that. A good chunk of that we're going to get for full year 2026. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:20:03Some of it will phase in through the year, but we definitely are confident that we'll be able to get to those levels next year. Kevin McCarthyEquity Research Analyst at Vertical Research Partners00:20:12Great. Then second question for you on divestitures, if I may. Congrats, first of all, on the Micromax deal. Looks like you got a nice multiple for that relative to your own trading multiple. Can you talk about the after-tax cash proceeds from that $500 million deal? Then more broadly, if we remain in the current environment of, I'll call it, industrial malaise globally, what additional portfolio actions or at least the magnitude thereof are you thinking about over the next several years? I think you said in your prepared remarks you are actively pursuing additional. Any color on that would be appreciated. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:21:01Yeah. Kevin, let me start, and then I'll turn it to Chuck to answer the tax question. Our principles really around divestitures have not changed. We have what we believe are two leading franchises here at Celanese. In acetates, it's about leveraging kind of this integrated up-and-downstream operating model that starts with methanol and acetic acid and goes downstream and is really uniquely globally positioned to kind of operate to drive value on a daily basis. In engineered materials, it's about driving unique customer solutions and leveraging the globe's leading portfolio around engineered thermoplastics and thermoplastic elastomers. If we have things in the portfolio that are not part of that acetate value chain or not a differentiated thermoplastic or thermoplastic elastomer, then we are going to look to see if it's worth more to someone else than what it's worth to us. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:22:05That has been the principle that we've been operating on now for a number of years around divestitures. That is what led to the food ingredients transaction. That is what has led now to the Micromax transaction because they did not fit in the engineered materials business in that thermoplastic or elastomer bucket. JVs is another area where we do not have as much control and that value that they create to the enterprise is not what the rest of the portfolio creates. Those are the principles that we are operating under, and those are the principles that we will continue to look at being able to monetize different assets around. We committed to $1 billion of divestitures by the end of 2027. This Micromax transaction gets us around halfway there. We are very much in line with achieving that target. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:22:55We're going to continue to focus on that here as we finish this year and get into 2026. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:23:00Yeah. On the tax leakage, Kevin, that's expected to be 5% of the final gross sales price. Kevin McCarthyEquity Research Analyst at Vertical Research Partners00:23:09Thanks very much. Operator00:23:12Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Salvator Tiano with Bank of America. Please proceed with your questions. Salvator TianoEquity Research Analyst at Bank of America00:23:19Thank you very much. Firstly, I want to continue on Kevin's question on divestitures. You mentioned JVs as a specific area of focus. I'm wondering, though, how are you thinking about the methanol JV? Because on one hand, it is one where you are a partner with someone else. On the other hand, it is, I guess, your main way of being integrated into methanol in the U.S. How strategic is that business to you? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:23:48Look, I'm not going to comment on specific joint ventures. What I have said around methanol in the past is it really is about leveraging methanol and acetic acid. As we look at all of our joint ventures, we have a partner that is in those JVs. JVs can be harder to monetize across the board. We will continue to look at the partners. We will continue to look at other potential counterparties who are interested in having ownerships of our joint ventures. Our focus really is around value creation. If value is there to be created and it is higher than what we believe is inherent in the current and potentially future stock price, then we will definitely look at it. Salvator TianoEquity Research Analyst at Bank of America00:24:40Great. I also want to ask about your nylon chain. I know you have been emphasizing nylon polymerization instead of doing compounds. At this point, how much of your nylon volumes and sales, perhaps profit, comes from actual nylon standard grades versus the compounded value-added products? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:25:04Yeah. Almost all of our profit in that business is really created by compounds. Now, to make a compound, you need polymer. Whether we make that polymer or buy that polymer, the key is getting that polymer at the most optimized economics possible because we create our value really through that compounding step. Salvator TianoEquity Research Analyst at Bank of America00:25:28Thank you very much. Operator00:25:31Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Aleksey Yefremov with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions. Aleksey YefremovResearch Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:25:39Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I just wanted to continue down this line of questioning. I think you just earlier said, Scott, that you do not foresee any major capacity closures. I recall earlier there was discussion about maybe buy versus make in polymers and potentially some rationalization there. Should we take that rationalization of polymer capacities off the table for now, or is that still being considered? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:26:10Yeah. Let me be very clear, Aleksey. We are taking bold actions across the board. We have continued to be, I think, through this year, every single quarter, we have had another cost reduction announcement. We are looking at all elements of our business in both acetates as well as in engineered materials. We will take action around cost, including footprint, if there is value creation opportunities there. Aleksey YefremovResearch Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:26:40Okay. Makes sense. As a follow-up on your EM pricing, I realized it was relatively modest, but do you see any signs of more rational competition, sort of improvement in competitive environment, maybe across any of the markets or types of polymers? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:27:01Look, we can't control what others are doing. What I will say about our EM commercial team is they are energized by the opportunity that's in front of them. Not just around making sure that we're getting full value for the materials that we sell, but on partnering with our customers, about being connected to our customers, being current about what's happening in the marketplace, and being able to respond to customer needs and leverage and drive new solutions. I think we believe that that team is going to continue the trajectory that they have been on this year, despite the fact that through the year, the volume side of the equation has been difficult. To be able to drive price, drive mix improvement through the year, I think, is a great accomplishment and is a really good starting point for us going into 2026. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:27:54We think we will be able to drive volumes through the pipeline next year. Aleksey YefremovResearch Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:28:01Great. Thanks a lot. Operator00:28:05Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Frank Mitsch with Fermium Research. Please proceed with your questions. Frank MitschPresident at Fermium Research00:28:10Hey, good morning and congrats again on the Micromax sale. To that end, Chuck, I believe you indicated that with the $3+ billion debt due 2026/2027, you were fairly comfortable being able to pay that, or you indicated that you, given the free cash flow and expected divestitures, that you would not need to tap a revolver and that you felt like you would issue more debt, you'd be able to cover that. Do you still feel that way today? Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:28:43Yeah, Frank. I mean, if you look ahead at our 2026 maturities, we've got about $900 million due. If you look at between the Micromax proceeds, the excess cash we have on hand, Q4 cash generation, those are spoken for. We've already been looking ahead at the 2027s, and we've made several payments to our 2027 term loan over the last few quarters. We're confident in the cash generation ability to pay off the 2027s. We do know that sometimes that cash is back and loaded in any given calendar year. As we've done a few times, we'll continue to be prudent and opportunistic in the debt markets, refinancing a small portion of our maturities to align the maturities one or two years out with our free cash generation. That's just to bridge the timing of those repayments. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:29:30We're confident that we can generate the cash to pay those off and continue to deleverage. Frank MitschPresident at Fermium Research00:29:36Helpful. Thank you. Chuck, if I could ask you a more esoteric question, very sizable write-down this quarter. I'm reading the press release, and it's tied to Zytel and nylon. In the prepared remarks, it's talking about your stock price and so forth. I'm sure others understand what's going on there, but I don't. Can you please expand on that? Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:30:02Yeah. Sure, Frank. Look, the third quarter is our annual quarter to test our goodwill and certain intangibles like trade names. We did this using the same third-parties that we always do. We did record an impairment. I think what's important, Frank, is there was not a reduction in the projected cash flows of engineered materials since the last time we did this test. This impairment was really driven by a reduction in our market cap created by a reduction in the stock price because part of the test is sort of a market-to-book analysis that's used. No change, no decline in the cash flow projections, but it was really driven by the market cap of Celanese. Frank MitschPresident at Fermium Research00:30:42Very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:30:45Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Hassan Ahmed with Alembic Global. Please proceed with your questions. Hassan AhmedSenior Equity Analyst at Alembic Global00:30:52Morning, Scott. Just wanted to get a bit more granular about the sort of near-term guidance. I know in the past you guys had talked about trying to get to a quarterly EPS run rate of $2 per share imminently, right? I know the guidance, obviously, for Q4, $0.85-$1, baked in seasonality, it is not really in an otherwise abnormal environment. It is not really sort of the right starting point. Maybe if we could start with the $1.34 you guys reported in Q3, right? Where in the near-term you see that going on a quarterly run rate basis via self-help, via, obviously, now with Micromax almost about to close, reduced interest expense there and the like. Hassan AhmedSenior Equity Analyst at Alembic Global00:31:48I understand that you guys are talking about an incremental $1-$2 from self-help, which is $0.25-$0.50, but would love some more granularity around that. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:32:01Yeah. Thanks for the question, Hassan. We continue to be focused around driving controllable actions that will, as a first step, get us back to that $2 quarter run rate. That has not changed, even with where demand is at from a seasonality perspective. We will get there. If demand stays lower, it may take us a little bit longer to get there. If you look at where we were performing in the middle part of the year, Q2, Q3, from an EPS perspective, and you just take the actions that I have talked about that we have going to next year, it starts to really get to a point where you are approaching kind of that level as you are getting up into the $1.75-$2 range. That is where continuing to stack wins, as we called them in our prepared comments, additional costs, continuing to drive the pipeline. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:32:55If we get any inkling of a demand improvement, and even if you were just at the demand levels we saw in the second quarter, you're effectively there. The multiplying effect of the actions that we're taking are significant. We look at our enterprise right now as a coiled spring that, when released, is going to really drive very substantial and increased earnings levels as we go forward. It's tough right now. The demand environment is not tough, but I'm extremely proud of the resilience and the actions that the team here at Celanese has taken this year to position us going into next year and beyond. Hassan AhmedSenior Equity Analyst at Alembic Global00:33:39Very helpful, Scott. As a follow-up, I would love to hear your views about anti-involution as it affects the acetyls chain and you guys. More specifically, why I ask this is that it seems just yesterday, PetroChina, it seems, came out and announced that they're studying 19 sort of different refining and petrochemical assets to potentially retire. Those include methanol assets as well, right? It seems it's moving away from the pipe dream phase and actually becoming real. How do you see anti-involution impacting you guys? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:34:22It's hard to say exactly how it will materialize, Hassan. Look, the dialogue on the ground in China, and I was there in the quarter and was talking with the team, it's palpable, more so than I would have expected. I don't know that it's had a really direct impact thus far. I mean, I mentioned we've seen some price movement, albeit small, but some price movement in the quarter. I don't know how much of that is anti-involution or just kind of normal market changes and some of the inventory getting absorbed after some new plants started up. The reality of it is that people are talking about it there. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:35:04I do not know how it comes in fruition to the business, but I do expect that we are definitely going to see this be an important step going forward because I do think the profitability of assets in China need to be higher than where they are today. Hassan AhmedSenior Equity Analyst at Alembic Global00:35:24Very helpful, Scott. Thank you so much. Operator00:35:30Thank you. Our next question has come from the line of Josh Spector with UBS. Please proceed with your questions. Josh SpectorExecutive Director at UBS00:35:37Yeah. Hi. Good morning. I wanted to follow up just on the acetates utilization rates. I think my understanding prior was maybe you had rates lower in some of the Western markets, so some of your low-cost regions like the U.S., to basically react to some of the weaker demand. I guess your earlier comment was that it's your low-cost assets running full out. Specifically, can you comment on that and maybe your U.S. asset-based utilization rate, where that is today? Related with that, if we think about what gets utilization rates higher, if you're running at a high rate in the U.S. today, does U.S. demand improvement help you, or do you really need Europe or other regions to improve to get your utilization rates up? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:36:23Yeah. I mean, look, Josh, we've always run our U.S. assets at pretty high rates. That really hasn't changed dramatically. I am not saying we do not have room there. We probably have a little bit of room, but you definitely see the uplift. When you see Western Hemisphere improvement, the net back is significantly higher than moving that product around to different regions where it is better than running other assets, but certainly U.S. demand flows directly to the bottom line in that case. We do think your assets are extremely well-positioned. We have done the bottlenecks of the U.S. asset base over the last five years. We have the ability to move those up. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:37:09When I said full rates, I was really particularly on acetic acid in the U.S., really referring to we kind of operate that at kind of the capacity that we've historically had, not necessarily operating both acetic acid plants at full rate. We kind of look at those as still operating kind of at the levels they historically did on a combined basis with the ability to ramp up going forward. Josh SpectorExecutive Director at UBS00:37:39Okay. No, that makes sense. I mean, just a quick follow-up on the cost-saving side. I mean. Bill CunninghamVP of Investor Relations at Celanese Corporation00:37:49Apologies. It looks like we lost Josh. Operator00:37:56Our next questions come from the line of Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions. Arun ViswanathanSenior Equity Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:38:06Thanks for taking my question. If I just go back to that $1-$2 of uplift, maybe can you just frame that out? I think in the past, you had said maybe $0.35 from some of your cost actions. Is that accurate? What would be kind of a restocking amount? Is that also included in there? Could you maybe frame it as what the destocking amount was for 2025? Thanks. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:38:37Yeah. Arun, as I said earlier on the call, we look at that $1-$2 really as a rule of thumb if we're not seeing the market really change at all off of where we've been over the last several quarters. There's no kind of restock element in there. What I said earlier is make the assumption about half of that is coming from cost actions and then the balance coming from the EM pipeline and then some other things, as Chuck mentioned, maybe interest expense. Arun ViswanathanSenior Equity Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:39:11Thanks for that. Could you just also provide an update on maybe some of your recent actions to maybe change the commercial strategy or extend your legacy commercial strategy within EM, maybe on the project pipeline or anything else that we would find relevant to track your progress there? Thanks. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:39:33Look, the EM team has been modernizing its strategic orientation. That's the best way I can put it. We're evolving. Where our world is, where we have the ability to really win is in the differentiated spaces where we can leverage our widespread, unique portfolio. We have more engineered thermoplastics, more thermoplastics, elastomers in our portfolio than anyone else has in the world, bringing that full portfolio to customers to meet unique challenges that they have around solution sets. It is about partnering and really getting focus around where we spend our time and then leveraging innovation that we've had. We've launched publicly our grade selection tool for customers called Chemille, where it's an AI-driven tool which is allowing grade selection around our materials for customers as well as our commercial organization to very quickly meet the needs and streamline that commercialization cycle. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:40:46It is investments we have made in areas like that that are really bringing the EM team to the leading edge as it comes to creating new opportunities and partnering with our customers. Bill CunninghamVP of Investor Relations at Celanese Corporation00:41:02Daryl, we'll make the next question our last one, please. Operator00:41:05Thank you. Our last questions will come from the line of John Roberts with Mizuho. Please proceed with your questions. John RobertsManaging Director at Mizuho00:41:11Thank you. Will the European acetate tow closure have any ripple effects across the rest of the acetates network, either upstream or even downstream, maybe some of your JVs? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:41:24No. I would not look at it that way, John. John RobertsManaging Director at Mizuho00:41:30Okay. Thank you. Bill CunninghamVP of Investor Relations at Celanese Corporation00:41:36Thank you. We'd like to thank everyone for listening in today. As always, we're available after the call for any follow-up questions. Daryl, please go ahead and close out the call. Operator00:41:46Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does now conclude today's teleconference. We appreciate your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:06Greetings. Welcome to the Celanese Corporation third quarter 2025 conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. The question-and-answer session will follow the prepared remarks. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Bill Cunningham. Thank you. You may begin. Bill CunninghamVP of Investor Relations at Celanese Corporation00:00:23Thanks, Daryl. Welcome to the Celanese Corporation third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. My name is Bill Cunningham, Vice President of Investor Relations. With me on the call today are Scott Richardson, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Chuck Kyrish, Chief Financial Officer. Celanese distributed its third quarter earnings release via Business Wire and posted prepared comments as well as a presentation on our Investor Relations website yesterday afternoon. As a reminder, we'll discuss non-GAAP financial measures today. You can find definitions of these measures as well as reconciliations to the comparable GAAP measures on our website. Today's presentation will also include forward-looking statements. Please review the cautionary language regarding forward-looking statements, which can be found at the end of both the press release and the prepared comments. Form 8-K reports containing all of these materials have also been submitted to the SEC. Bill CunninghamVP of Investor Relations at Celanese Corporation00:01:20With that, Daryl, let's go ahead and open it up for questions. Operator00:01:24Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. The confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two to remove yourself from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first questions come from the line of David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your questions. David BegleiterAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:01:49Thank you. Good morning and a nice quarter for Q3. Scott, looking at 2026, can you think of give us an early look at what you can control for 2026 and what's not in your control for 2026 relative to our earnings? Thank you. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:02:03Yeah. Thank you, David. Let me just start by saying how we have focused on 2025 continues into 2026. The priorities of increasing cash flow, intensifying our cost improvements, and then driving top-line growth. That third piece, I think, is going to continue to be more important as we're seeing progress from our EM pipeline. Those are going to be our priorities going into 2026. We have laid a really nice foundation here in 2025. That foundation, even if we're in an environment where we see flattish demand, and I kind of look at flattish demand on what we've seen, say, Q2 through Q4 here in 2025, if we're in that type of demand environment, just to make it easy, I believe we're going to be able to grow EPS by $1-$2 next year. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:02:55That is going to come from the cost actions that we have already put in place and that yielding increments next year. The second big piece is going to come from EM pipeline and the success we are seeing driving that, including the high-impact program growth, which is starting to yield results. Certainly, we will not have the Micromax EBITDA, but I think that is going to be offset by the fact that we do not expect to have the significant auto destocking that we saw in Europe in Q1 of this year. I think when you put it all together, we feel confident in about $1-$2, even if the world around us is not growing. David BegleiterAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:03:36Very good. Just on EM pricing, the best in eight quarters, discuss how much more there is to go in EM on the pricing front. Thank you. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:03:46There's always more that can be done here, David. We have gotten price in some of the standard-grade materials in the Western Hemisphere, not as much across the board as we want to see. I think there's still going to be opportunities there. In addition, where we're seeing good nice benefit is on the price for the new elements from the pipeline that are being launched. This is going to continue to be a very critical area of focus for us as we go into 2026. David BegleiterAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:04:17Thank you. Operator00:04:17Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Vincent Andrews with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions. Vincent AndrewsManaging Director at Morgan Stanley00:04:27Thank you and good morning. Could you speak a little bit about the operating rates and the acetyl chain? I know there were comments in the prepared remarks about sort of flexing Singapore based on demand, and Frankfurt's going to be, I guess, offline for the balance of the year. What do you anticipate, or maybe just back up, and what rates did you run at in the second half of this year? What do you anticipate in the first half of next year? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:04:57Yeah. Thanks, Vincent. Not to be flippant, but every day is different in this business. I do not say that as hyperbole. It is true. When you look at our lowest-cost assets, our lowest-cost assets are running at 100%. The balance of the network, which is really our asset base outside of the United States, is being flexed to meet demand, flexed to meet industry conditions. We are going to continue to operate that way. We have block-operated Singapore as well as Frankfurt. We would expect that to continue going into next year. Part of that is our manufacturing team has done an excellent job of being able to continue to operate with high degrees of reliability as well as find ways to no capital debottleneck our assets to where we have more capacity at those lower-cost assets. We are going to continue to flex that to meet demand. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:05:54I'd really look at lowest-cost asset base running full and then the rest of the network operating as needed. Vincent AndrewsManaging Director at Morgan Stanley00:06:03Thank you. Operator00:06:06Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Jeff Zekauskas with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your questions. Jeff ZekauskasAnalyst at JPMorgan00:06:13Thanks very much. In the acetyl chain, when you look at sequential pricing through the year, it's gotten tougher. Prices had come down a lot in China earlier in the year. Where is the sequential price pressure coming from in the acetyl chain, either by product line or geography? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:06:42Yeah. Thanks, Jeff. I think we've seen a little bit of pressure in Europe in kind of what I would say more the downstream. Getting into the vinyls chain, VAM, and emulsions as we've worked our way through the year. That was really demand-driven. As demand has come off, we've seen a little bit of pricing pressure there. We've seen a stabilization of pricing in China now over the course of the last quarter or so. In fact, pricing went up a little bit here at the beginning of this quarter. Not significantly, but we did see a price lift as we got into October, really across all product lines in China and acetyl. The U.S. has been relatively stable. That is kind of how I would look at it. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:07:28It's been more around a function of demand where demand has been weaker, and we've seen a little bit of softening of price in Europe. Jeff ZekauskasAnalyst at JPMorgan00:07:37Okay. In engineered materials, year-over-year, your consolidated volumes were down 8%. Which product lines are, I guess, falling more than that, and which product lines are falling less than that? Can you help us? I mean, it might be that there are particular pockets of weakness, or is it across the board? Can you talk about that? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:08:06Yeah. It's mainly the product lines, Jeff, that we have higher levels of volume and have just generally more market exposure in the standard-grade materials. That tends to be more of your engineered thermoplastics. That's your POM, your nylon, and then into GUR and polyesters. Our thermoplastic elastomers have held up extremely well. The team has actually found nice pockets of growth there. It's just that's not where we have as much volumetric exposure. It tends to be more on the engineered thermoplastic side of things. Jeff ZekauskasAnalyst at JPMorgan00:08:41Great. Thank you so much. Operator00:08:45Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Mike Sison with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your questions. Mike SisonManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:08:52Hey, good morning. Nice third quarter as well. For 2026, if I take a look at slide 11, it looks like cost savings could represent somewhere between $0.40-$0.50. In terms of the rest of the $1-$2, how much comes from potentially lower interest expense? I am just trying to gauge how much could come from volume growth and new products. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:09:21Yeah. I mean, given kind of the $-$2 that I talked about earlier, Mike, I would look at that's really split largely in two areas. One, about half of that is cost. And we did not put all of the cost actions on that slide. We have kind of an ambiguous bucket there on that last line of that graph. I think I would look at there's more to come. We had the announcement last week about the Lanaken enclosure. We are continuing to work the cost side of the equation extremely hard. We will talk more specifically about those as we complete those actions. About half of it is cost. The majority, the rest of it is really coming from the pipeline. That is kind of how we are thinking about things right now. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:10:11I mean, there's definitely going to be some things around the edges like interest, etc. But those are the two big buckets that we're looking at currently. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:10:21Hey, Mike. Mike SisonManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:10:22Got it. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:10:22It's Chuck. The rendered expense, I would pencil in $30 million-$40 million reduction year-over-year. Mike SisonManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:10:30Okay. Quick follow-up in EM in terms of the volume growth potential. How much is that coming from sort of the legacy, if you can think about it that way, the Celanese businesses, and how much comes from some of the DuPont? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:10:49I'll be honest with you, Mike. Right now, we're looking at that portfolio as all Celanese. We're not breaking it out. We're not operating the business of the company that way anymore. It really is about Celanese and products. What I would say is that engineered thermoplastics piece and the portfolio we have there has proven to be a really nice add for us. Part of that came from M&M. Part of that came with Santoprene. That's a really nice area of growth going into next year. It's a really important area for us to be differentiating the offerings that we have. That's been a really nice driver for us. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:11:28We are seeing really, as we look at this high-impact program area, I mean, there are end uses there that are extremely attractive where we are bringing both the engineered thermoplastics, so that is both historical Celanese and M&M, as well as the elastomer portfolio to bear in really high-performance type applications, whether that is data centers or in high-specification EV opportunities, medical opportunities. Across these spaces, we are really seeing as we have gotten extremely focused from a commercial team perspective on these areas, we think we are going to have nice pockets of growth in 2026. Mike SisonManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:12:16Thank you. Operator00:12:19Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Ghansham Panjabi with Baird. Please proceed with your questions. Ghansham PanjabiSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:12:25Thank you. Hi, good morning, everybody. Hey, Scott, just given the evolution of the macro throughout the course of the year and markets such as building construction and autos and so on, sequentially weakening, are you starting to see more accelerated inventory destocking at the customer level throughout the year-end, or are inventories already pretty low? What you are mirroring is just basically the end markets themselves at this point. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:12:51Yeah. Thanks, Ghansham. As I look at where demand is, it's certainly on a lower base than what we've seen historically. If we look at what we called out for seasonality from Q3 into Q4, on a volume metric and percentage basis, it's very similar to what we've seen in the past from Q3 to Q4. We're not necessarily seeing accelerated destocking. There's a few pockets. For example, our channel partners here in North America came to us at the beginning of the quarter and talked very openly about wanting to bring inventories down a little bit by year-end. That was great that we're able to partner with them. We can take rates down at our asset base and do it really in a thoughtful way over the course of the quarter and not just get to the end and have this big slug down. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:13:41I think there's definitely, I would say, pockets, but I wouldn't say it's something we're seeing extensively across the board because we've been seeing this kind of work its way through the value chain in various areas now for about six months. Ghansham PanjabiSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:13:57Okay. Got it. Maybe a question for Chuck on free cash flow. What's the expectation for working capital contribution for this year in 2025? How would you have us think about some of the parameters for 2026 free cash flow? I think you said at the low end of your guidance for this year. Thank you. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:14:13Right. Right. Yeah. So working capital so far this year has been a source of cash of $250 million as we've really focused on cash generation. I really don't expect much change in working capital, either source or use of cash in fourth quarter. I would model in zero at this point for working capital. As you look ahead for 2026, we don't expect with similar demand levels that we would repeat that $250 million of working capital source of cash. We are continuing our inventory actions in engineered materials. There will be some level of free cash flow source there. At this point, Ghansham, our cash outlay of restructuring, which is adjusted out of EBITDA, is looking to be lower in 2026 as we have some projects that have rolled off from prior footprint. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:15:09Adding to that, the EBITDA improvement that Scott's talked about on the cost and commercial side, that gives us confidence next year in free cash flow, at least at the low end of that $700 million-$800 million range. I think it's important to understand as we look ahead in the next few years, we think this level of free cash flow is sustainable. Ghansham PanjabiSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:15:30Okay. Very good. Thank you. Operator00:15:33Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Patrick Cunningham with Citi. Please proceed with your questions. Patrick CunninghamSenior Analyst at Citi00:15:40Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. The decision for the Lanaken enclosure, you cited evaluation of longer-term end market trends. I guess, did anything change in terms of your forward view on either the demand or supply side? As you look to evaluate other more targeted measures in AC, should we be looking to the Frankfurt facility, or do you expect more of a smaller collection of savings across the asset footprint? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:16:09Yeah. Thanks, Patrick. First of all, I think it's important. Look, we do not take any of these types of decisions lightly. We look at where things are in the near-term, long-term, and we study them. We also look at our ability to continue to supply our customers. Acetate tow has faced challenges, including declining demand over a period of time. Lanaken is our highest-cost asset. As we looked at where things are, we were able to meet all of our customer needs from our network and subsequently drive productivity savings with this move, both in the short-term and long-term, no matter what may materialize from a demand perspective. This closure will yield probably in the neighborhood of $20 million-$30 million of productivity savings in 2027. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:17:02We'll get a little bit at the end of next year probably on that, but certainly for the full year of 2027. That's the types of savings we're looking at. We're going to continue to look across our whole footprint in both businesses for similar types of examples. There's no specific asset, I would say, that we're looking at right now. It continues to be kind of cross-checking where industry demand is, where is our capacity, where do we maybe have excess capacity in the network that will allow us to drive that productivity, but still be able to meet customer demand even if we were to see a big increase down the road in recovery period. Patrick CunninghamSenior Analyst at Citi00:17:43Understood. Very helpful. Maybe one for Chuck, just in terms of progress on inventory reduction. You're still tracking well towards that goal. In the context of some of your comments in the prepared remarks, what percentage of SKUs are made-to-order today versus made-to-stock, and what goal are you working toward there? Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:18:03Hey, Patrick. Look, it's an ongoing effort to be more efficient with inventory. I don't have that percentage right in front of me of the number of made-to-stock SKUs, but it's one of the several levers that EM is working on to reduce inventory. It also includes logistics and warehousing and testing lead times, etc. Patrick CunninghamSenior Analyst at Citi00:18:32Good. Thank you. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:18:33Yep. Operator00:18:35Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research Partners. Please proceed with your questions. Kevin McCarthyEquity Research Analyst at Vertical Research Partners00:18:42Yes. Thank you and good morning. I think you identified $30 million-$50 million of additional savings that you're targeting in engineered materials. Can you elaborate on the sources of those and the flow-through timing and remind us if those figures are gross or net of inflation? Thanks. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:19:05Yeah. Let me hit the last part of your question. Kevin, I would look at those as net of inflation because we will work inflation through our productivity pipeline to offset that. Look at these as definitely being net. It is really looking across the board. There is continued SG&A and R&D savings there as we optimize that side of the business on a global basis. Footprint continues to be an area of focus that'll be in there. The last area is really things that we kind of call complexity reduction. Streamlining of our supply chain and our logistics network and really getting that optimized. I mean, Chuck just talked about the benefits we get from that on an inventory reduction. We also get cost reduction from that. A good chunk of that we're going to get for full year 2026. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:20:03Some of it will phase in through the year, but we definitely are confident that we'll be able to get to those levels next year. Kevin McCarthyEquity Research Analyst at Vertical Research Partners00:20:12Great. Then second question for you on divestitures, if I may. Congrats, first of all, on the Micromax deal. Looks like you got a nice multiple for that relative to your own trading multiple. Can you talk about the after-tax cash proceeds from that $500 million deal? Then more broadly, if we remain in the current environment of, I'll call it, industrial malaise globally, what additional portfolio actions or at least the magnitude thereof are you thinking about over the next several years? I think you said in your prepared remarks you are actively pursuing additional. Any color on that would be appreciated. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:21:01Yeah. Kevin, let me start, and then I'll turn it to Chuck to answer the tax question. Our principles really around divestitures have not changed. We have what we believe are two leading franchises here at Celanese. In acetates, it's about leveraging kind of this integrated up-and-downstream operating model that starts with methanol and acetic acid and goes downstream and is really uniquely globally positioned to kind of operate to drive value on a daily basis. In engineered materials, it's about driving unique customer solutions and leveraging the globe's leading portfolio around engineered thermoplastics and thermoplastic elastomers. If we have things in the portfolio that are not part of that acetate value chain or not a differentiated thermoplastic or thermoplastic elastomer, then we are going to look to see if it's worth more to someone else than what it's worth to us. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:22:05That has been the principle that we've been operating on now for a number of years around divestitures. That is what led to the food ingredients transaction. That is what has led now to the Micromax transaction because they did not fit in the engineered materials business in that thermoplastic or elastomer bucket. JVs is another area where we do not have as much control and that value that they create to the enterprise is not what the rest of the portfolio creates. Those are the principles that we are operating under, and those are the principles that we will continue to look at being able to monetize different assets around. We committed to $1 billion of divestitures by the end of 2027. This Micromax transaction gets us around halfway there. We are very much in line with achieving that target. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:22:55We're going to continue to focus on that here as we finish this year and get into 2026. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:23:00Yeah. On the tax leakage, Kevin, that's expected to be 5% of the final gross sales price. Kevin McCarthyEquity Research Analyst at Vertical Research Partners00:23:09Thanks very much. Operator00:23:12Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Salvator Tiano with Bank of America. Please proceed with your questions. Salvator TianoEquity Research Analyst at Bank of America00:23:19Thank you very much. Firstly, I want to continue on Kevin's question on divestitures. You mentioned JVs as a specific area of focus. I'm wondering, though, how are you thinking about the methanol JV? Because on one hand, it is one where you are a partner with someone else. On the other hand, it is, I guess, your main way of being integrated into methanol in the U.S. How strategic is that business to you? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:23:48Look, I'm not going to comment on specific joint ventures. What I have said around methanol in the past is it really is about leveraging methanol and acetic acid. As we look at all of our joint ventures, we have a partner that is in those JVs. JVs can be harder to monetize across the board. We will continue to look at the partners. We will continue to look at other potential counterparties who are interested in having ownerships of our joint ventures. Our focus really is around value creation. If value is there to be created and it is higher than what we believe is inherent in the current and potentially future stock price, then we will definitely look at it. Salvator TianoEquity Research Analyst at Bank of America00:24:40Great. I also want to ask about your nylon chain. I know you have been emphasizing nylon polymerization instead of doing compounds. At this point, how much of your nylon volumes and sales, perhaps profit, comes from actual nylon standard grades versus the compounded value-added products? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:25:04Yeah. Almost all of our profit in that business is really created by compounds. Now, to make a compound, you need polymer. Whether we make that polymer or buy that polymer, the key is getting that polymer at the most optimized economics possible because we create our value really through that compounding step. Salvator TianoEquity Research Analyst at Bank of America00:25:28Thank you very much. Operator00:25:31Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Aleksey Yefremov with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions. Aleksey YefremovResearch Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:25:39Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I just wanted to continue down this line of questioning. I think you just earlier said, Scott, that you do not foresee any major capacity closures. I recall earlier there was discussion about maybe buy versus make in polymers and potentially some rationalization there. Should we take that rationalization of polymer capacities off the table for now, or is that still being considered? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:26:10Yeah. Let me be very clear, Aleksey. We are taking bold actions across the board. We have continued to be, I think, through this year, every single quarter, we have had another cost reduction announcement. We are looking at all elements of our business in both acetates as well as in engineered materials. We will take action around cost, including footprint, if there is value creation opportunities there. Aleksey YefremovResearch Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:26:40Okay. Makes sense. As a follow-up on your EM pricing, I realized it was relatively modest, but do you see any signs of more rational competition, sort of improvement in competitive environment, maybe across any of the markets or types of polymers? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:27:01Look, we can't control what others are doing. What I will say about our EM commercial team is they are energized by the opportunity that's in front of them. Not just around making sure that we're getting full value for the materials that we sell, but on partnering with our customers, about being connected to our customers, being current about what's happening in the marketplace, and being able to respond to customer needs and leverage and drive new solutions. I think we believe that that team is going to continue the trajectory that they have been on this year, despite the fact that through the year, the volume side of the equation has been difficult. To be able to drive price, drive mix improvement through the year, I think, is a great accomplishment and is a really good starting point for us going into 2026. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:27:54We think we will be able to drive volumes through the pipeline next year. Aleksey YefremovResearch Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:28:01Great. Thanks a lot. Operator00:28:05Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Frank Mitsch with Fermium Research. Please proceed with your questions. Frank MitschPresident at Fermium Research00:28:10Hey, good morning and congrats again on the Micromax sale. To that end, Chuck, I believe you indicated that with the $3+ billion debt due 2026/2027, you were fairly comfortable being able to pay that, or you indicated that you, given the free cash flow and expected divestitures, that you would not need to tap a revolver and that you felt like you would issue more debt, you'd be able to cover that. Do you still feel that way today? Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:28:43Yeah, Frank. I mean, if you look ahead at our 2026 maturities, we've got about $900 million due. If you look at between the Micromax proceeds, the excess cash we have on hand, Q4 cash generation, those are spoken for. We've already been looking ahead at the 2027s, and we've made several payments to our 2027 term loan over the last few quarters. We're confident in the cash generation ability to pay off the 2027s. We do know that sometimes that cash is back and loaded in any given calendar year. As we've done a few times, we'll continue to be prudent and opportunistic in the debt markets, refinancing a small portion of our maturities to align the maturities one or two years out with our free cash generation. That's just to bridge the timing of those repayments. Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:29:30We're confident that we can generate the cash to pay those off and continue to deleverage. Frank MitschPresident at Fermium Research00:29:36Helpful. Thank you. Chuck, if I could ask you a more esoteric question, very sizable write-down this quarter. I'm reading the press release, and it's tied to Zytel and nylon. In the prepared remarks, it's talking about your stock price and so forth. I'm sure others understand what's going on there, but I don't. Can you please expand on that? Chuck KyrishCFO at Celanese Corporation00:30:02Yeah. Sure, Frank. Look, the third quarter is our annual quarter to test our goodwill and certain intangibles like trade names. We did this using the same third-parties that we always do. We did record an impairment. I think what's important, Frank, is there was not a reduction in the projected cash flows of engineered materials since the last time we did this test. This impairment was really driven by a reduction in our market cap created by a reduction in the stock price because part of the test is sort of a market-to-book analysis that's used. No change, no decline in the cash flow projections, but it was really driven by the market cap of Celanese. Frank MitschPresident at Fermium Research00:30:42Very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:30:45Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Hassan Ahmed with Alembic Global. Please proceed with your questions. Hassan AhmedSenior Equity Analyst at Alembic Global00:30:52Morning, Scott. Just wanted to get a bit more granular about the sort of near-term guidance. I know in the past you guys had talked about trying to get to a quarterly EPS run rate of $2 per share imminently, right? I know the guidance, obviously, for Q4, $0.85-$1, baked in seasonality, it is not really in an otherwise abnormal environment. It is not really sort of the right starting point. Maybe if we could start with the $1.34 you guys reported in Q3, right? Where in the near-term you see that going on a quarterly run rate basis via self-help, via, obviously, now with Micromax almost about to close, reduced interest expense there and the like. Hassan AhmedSenior Equity Analyst at Alembic Global00:31:48I understand that you guys are talking about an incremental $1-$2 from self-help, which is $0.25-$0.50, but would love some more granularity around that. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:32:01Yeah. Thanks for the question, Hassan. We continue to be focused around driving controllable actions that will, as a first step, get us back to that $2 quarter run rate. That has not changed, even with where demand is at from a seasonality perspective. We will get there. If demand stays lower, it may take us a little bit longer to get there. If you look at where we were performing in the middle part of the year, Q2, Q3, from an EPS perspective, and you just take the actions that I have talked about that we have going to next year, it starts to really get to a point where you are approaching kind of that level as you are getting up into the $1.75-$2 range. That is where continuing to stack wins, as we called them in our prepared comments, additional costs, continuing to drive the pipeline. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:32:55If we get any inkling of a demand improvement, and even if you were just at the demand levels we saw in the second quarter, you're effectively there. The multiplying effect of the actions that we're taking are significant. We look at our enterprise right now as a coiled spring that, when released, is going to really drive very substantial and increased earnings levels as we go forward. It's tough right now. The demand environment is not tough, but I'm extremely proud of the resilience and the actions that the team here at Celanese has taken this year to position us going into next year and beyond. Hassan AhmedSenior Equity Analyst at Alembic Global00:33:39Very helpful, Scott. As a follow-up, I would love to hear your views about anti-involution as it affects the acetyls chain and you guys. More specifically, why I ask this is that it seems just yesterday, PetroChina, it seems, came out and announced that they're studying 19 sort of different refining and petrochemical assets to potentially retire. Those include methanol assets as well, right? It seems it's moving away from the pipe dream phase and actually becoming real. How do you see anti-involution impacting you guys? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:34:22It's hard to say exactly how it will materialize, Hassan. Look, the dialogue on the ground in China, and I was there in the quarter and was talking with the team, it's palpable, more so than I would have expected. I don't know that it's had a really direct impact thus far. I mean, I mentioned we've seen some price movement, albeit small, but some price movement in the quarter. I don't know how much of that is anti-involution or just kind of normal market changes and some of the inventory getting absorbed after some new plants started up. The reality of it is that people are talking about it there. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:35:04I do not know how it comes in fruition to the business, but I do expect that we are definitely going to see this be an important step going forward because I do think the profitability of assets in China need to be higher than where they are today. Hassan AhmedSenior Equity Analyst at Alembic Global00:35:24Very helpful, Scott. Thank you so much. Operator00:35:30Thank you. Our next question has come from the line of Josh Spector with UBS. Please proceed with your questions. Josh SpectorExecutive Director at UBS00:35:37Yeah. Hi. Good morning. I wanted to follow up just on the acetates utilization rates. I think my understanding prior was maybe you had rates lower in some of the Western markets, so some of your low-cost regions like the U.S., to basically react to some of the weaker demand. I guess your earlier comment was that it's your low-cost assets running full out. Specifically, can you comment on that and maybe your U.S. asset-based utilization rate, where that is today? Related with that, if we think about what gets utilization rates higher, if you're running at a high rate in the U.S. today, does U.S. demand improvement help you, or do you really need Europe or other regions to improve to get your utilization rates up? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:36:23Yeah. I mean, look, Josh, we've always run our U.S. assets at pretty high rates. That really hasn't changed dramatically. I am not saying we do not have room there. We probably have a little bit of room, but you definitely see the uplift. When you see Western Hemisphere improvement, the net back is significantly higher than moving that product around to different regions where it is better than running other assets, but certainly U.S. demand flows directly to the bottom line in that case. We do think your assets are extremely well-positioned. We have done the bottlenecks of the U.S. asset base over the last five years. We have the ability to move those up. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:37:09When I said full rates, I was really particularly on acetic acid in the U.S., really referring to we kind of operate that at kind of the capacity that we've historically had, not necessarily operating both acetic acid plants at full rate. We kind of look at those as still operating kind of at the levels they historically did on a combined basis with the ability to ramp up going forward. Josh SpectorExecutive Director at UBS00:37:39Okay. No, that makes sense. I mean, just a quick follow-up on the cost-saving side. I mean. Bill CunninghamVP of Investor Relations at Celanese Corporation00:37:49Apologies. It looks like we lost Josh. Operator00:37:56Our next questions come from the line of Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions. Arun ViswanathanSenior Equity Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:38:06Thanks for taking my question. If I just go back to that $1-$2 of uplift, maybe can you just frame that out? I think in the past, you had said maybe $0.35 from some of your cost actions. Is that accurate? What would be kind of a restocking amount? Is that also included in there? Could you maybe frame it as what the destocking amount was for 2025? Thanks. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:38:37Yeah. Arun, as I said earlier on the call, we look at that $1-$2 really as a rule of thumb if we're not seeing the market really change at all off of where we've been over the last several quarters. There's no kind of restock element in there. What I said earlier is make the assumption about half of that is coming from cost actions and then the balance coming from the EM pipeline and then some other things, as Chuck mentioned, maybe interest expense. Arun ViswanathanSenior Equity Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:39:11Thanks for that. Could you just also provide an update on maybe some of your recent actions to maybe change the commercial strategy or extend your legacy commercial strategy within EM, maybe on the project pipeline or anything else that we would find relevant to track your progress there? Thanks. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:39:33Look, the EM team has been modernizing its strategic orientation. That's the best way I can put it. We're evolving. Where our world is, where we have the ability to really win is in the differentiated spaces where we can leverage our widespread, unique portfolio. We have more engineered thermoplastics, more thermoplastics, elastomers in our portfolio than anyone else has in the world, bringing that full portfolio to customers to meet unique challenges that they have around solution sets. It is about partnering and really getting focus around where we spend our time and then leveraging innovation that we've had. We've launched publicly our grade selection tool for customers called Chemille, where it's an AI-driven tool which is allowing grade selection around our materials for customers as well as our commercial organization to very quickly meet the needs and streamline that commercialization cycle. Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:40:46It is investments we have made in areas like that that are really bringing the EM team to the leading edge as it comes to creating new opportunities and partnering with our customers. Bill CunninghamVP of Investor Relations at Celanese Corporation00:41:02Daryl, we'll make the next question our last one, please. Operator00:41:05Thank you. Our last questions will come from the line of John Roberts with Mizuho. Please proceed with your questions. John RobertsManaging Director at Mizuho00:41:11Thank you. Will the European acetate tow closure have any ripple effects across the rest of the acetates network, either upstream or even downstream, maybe some of your JVs? Scott RichardsonPresident and CEO at Celanese Corporation00:41:24No. I would not look at it that way, John. John RobertsManaging Director at Mizuho00:41:30Okay. Thank you. Bill CunninghamVP of Investor Relations at Celanese Corporation00:41:36Thank you. We'd like to thank everyone for listening in today. As always, we're available after the call for any follow-up questions. Daryl, please go ahead and close out the call. Operator00:41:46Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does now conclude today's teleconference. We appreciate your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Enjoy the rest of your day.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesBill CunninghamVP of Investor RelationsScott RichardsonPresident and CEOChuck KyrishCFOAnalystsGhansham PanjabiSenior Research Analyst at BairdHassan AhmedSenior Equity Analyst at Alembic GlobalJosh SpectorExecutive Director at UBSSalvator TianoEquity Research Analyst at Bank of AmericaDavid BegleiterAnalyst at Deutsche BankKevin McCarthyEquity Research Analyst at Vertical Research PartnersMike SisonManaging Director at Wells FargoJeff ZekauskasAnalyst at JPMorganFrank MitschPresident at Fermium ResearchArun ViswanathanSenior Equity Analyst at RBC Capital MarketsAleksey YefremovResearch Analyst at KeyBanc Capital MarketsPatrick CunninghamSenior Analyst at CitiJohn RobertsManaging Director at MizuhoVincent AndrewsManaging Director at Morgan StanleyPowered by