NASDAQ:RXST RxSight Q4 2024 Earnings Report $6.35 +0.19 (+3.08%) Closing price 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$6.34 0.00 (-0.08%) As of 05:48 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast RxSight EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.15Consensus EPS $0.10Beat/MissMissed by -$0.25One Year Ago EPSN/ARxSight Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$40.21 millionExpected Revenue$40.23 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$22.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/ARxSight Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date2/25/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, February 25, 2025Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsRxSight's Q2 2026 earnings is estimated for Thursday, August 6, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by RxSight Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 25, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways In Q4, RX Sight reported revenue of $40.2 million (up 41% YoY), sold a record 29,069 LALs, and achieved a 71.6% gross margin versus 61.8% a year ago. For full‐year 2024, revenue rose 57% to $139.9 million, net loss narrowed to $27.5 million (or $2.8 million ex‐stock comp), and the company ended with no debt and $237.2 million in cash and investments. RX Sight reaffirmed 2025 guidance for $185 million–$197 million in revenue (32%–41% growth), 71%–73% gross margin, and $165 million–$170 million in operating expenses reflecting continued investments. The adjustable IOL category now represents ~10% of the US premium IOL market and drove nearly half of its growth in 2024, underscoring strong surgeon and patient adoption. FDA post‐approval data showed LAL lenses deliver over 14× higher odds of minimal residual refractive error and over 4× higher odds of 20/20 uncorrected vision versus monofocal IOLs. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallRxSight Q4 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:01Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Desiree, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to RxSight Fourth Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press Star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question again, press the Star one. I would now like to turn the conference over to Oliver Moravcevic, Vice President, Investor Relations. You may begin. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:00:39Thank you, Operator. Presenting today are RxSight President and Chief Executive Officer Dr. Ron Kurtz and Chief Financial Officer Shelley Thunen. Earlier today, RxSight released financial results for the three months ended December 31, 2024. A copy of the press release is available on the company's website. Before we begin, I would like to inform you that comments and responses to questions during today's call reflect management's views as of today, February 25, 2025, and will include forward-looking and opinion statements including predictions, estimates, plans, expectations, and other information. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied as a result of certain risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties are more fully described in our press release issued today and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, or SEC. Our SEC filings can be found on our website or the SEC's website. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:01:39Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements, and we disclaim any obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements except as may be required by law. We will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. Disclosures regarding non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations with the most comparable GAAP measures, can be found in the press release. Please note that this conference call will be available for audio replay on our Investor Relations website. With that, I will turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Dr. Ron Kurtz. Ron? Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:02:15Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us. In a moment, Shelley will review the fourth quarter and full year 2024 financial results, highlighting the key drivers of our performance. Following Shelley's review, I'll provide an update on the continued success of the RxSight system, our role in shaping the premium cataract market, and the major developments that are setting the stage for our next phase of growth. With that, I'll turn the call over to Shelley. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:02:42Thank you, Ron, and good afternoon, everyone. Consistent with our January pre-announcement, RxSight reported fourth quarter 2024 revenue of $40.2 million, up 41% compared to the year-ago quarter. Growth was broad-based, driven by strong growth in LAL procedure volume and the continued expansion of our installed base of LDDs. The positive momentum we saw throughout 2024 remains fueled by surgeons' increasing appreciation of the clinical advantage and economic value of the RxSight system, particularly the benefits of post-operative adjustability. LAL sales maintained strong growth in the fourth quarter of 2024, reflecting the increased preference amongst surgeons and patients for the enhanced clinical outcomes offered by our adjustable IOLs. We sold a record of 29,069 LALs in the period, up 61% from the fourth quarter of 2023. These procedure volumes translated into LAL revenue of $28.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2024, up 60% compared to the year-ago quarter. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:04:01In the fourth quarter of 2024, we sold 83 LDDs and generated $10.7 million in LDD revenue. We ended 2024 with an LDD installed base of 971 units, up 46% compared to the 666 units installed at the end of 2023. Higher LAL volume in the fourth quarter also led to an increased LAL revenue mix, with LAL revenue accounting for 71% of total revenue, up from 62% in the fourth quarter of 2023. This shift in mix, combined with LDD sales with a lower manufacturing cost and higher average selling price, expanded our gross margin to 71.6% in the fourth quarter of 2024, up from 61.8% in the fourth quarter of 2023. Fourth quarter 2024 SG&A expenses were $28.2 million, up 33% versus the prior year period. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:05:09This year-over-year increase in SG&A was primarily associated with increased expenses in sales and clinical personnel costs to support our growing installed base. On a sequential basis, SG&A was up 10%, primarily due to increases in headcount and expenses related to higher sales volumes achieved in the fourth quarter. Research and development expenses for the fourth quarter of 2024 were $9.2 million, representing an increase of 25% year-over-year. The change versus the year-ago period was primarily due to increased facility costs and associated increases in salaries and stock-based compensation. On a sequential basis, R&D expense remained relatively stable, with a 4% increase compared to the third quarter of 2024. We reported a net loss in the fourth quarter of 2024 of $5.9 million, or a loss of $0.15 per basic and diluted share using weighted average shares outstanding of 40.4 million shares. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:06:20In the year-ago quarter, our net loss was $9.2 million, or $0.26 per share on a basic and diluted basis using a weighted average of 36 million shares. Note also that stock-based compensation in the fourth quarter of 2024 was $7.3 million, resulting in an adjusted net income of $1.3 million, or $0.03 per basic and diluted share. In the interest of time, I'll provide a brief recap of full year 2024 results. During the year, revenue grew 57% to $139.9 million, driven by a 78% increase in LAL revenue and a 24% increase in LDD revenue. Our full year 2024 gross profit margin was 70.7% compared to 60.4% in 2023. Total operating expenses were $135.8 million in 2024, an increase of 31% compared to 2023. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:07:31For the full year 2024, we reported a net loss of $27.5 million, or $0.71, versus a net loss of $48.6 million, or $1.41 per share on a basic and diluted basis in 2023. Excluding the $24.6 million in stock-based compensation expense, our net loss in 2024 was $2.8 million, or $0.07 per basic and diluted share. Moving to the balance sheet, we ended the year with no debt and $237.2 million in cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments. During 2024, we raised $107.5 million net of fees and expenses from our confidentially marketed public offering. Turning to 2025 guidance, we are reaffirming the guidance we provided in January as we continue to expect 2025 full year revenue to range between $185-$197 million, representing year-over-year growth of 32%-41%. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:08:48Throughout the year, we expect typical seasonality, with the first and third quarters seasonally weaker, while the second and fourth quarters are expected to be seasonally stronger. Revenue contribution outside of North America is expected to remain nominal in 2025, with a more meaningful impact anticipated in 2026 and beyond. We expect our full year 2025 gross margin to be in the range of 71%-73%, reflecting a continued increase in revenue mix from the higher margin LAL procedure volume. We continue to expect operating expenses to be between $165 million and $170 million, which represents an increase of 22%-25% over the prior year and reflects ongoing investments in sales and marketing, research, and development to achieve projected revenue increases in 2025 and the years beyond. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:09:52Investments are primarily in personnel, with the largest expected increase, similar to 2024, headcount increases in our commercial team, which now numbers a bit over 200, with a focus on sales, education, installation, training, and clinical support. Included in our costs, primarily in operating expenses, is non-cash stock-based compensation expense of approximately $22 million-$25 million. With that, I'll turn the call back to Ron. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:10:27Thank you, Shelley. We believe that RxSight's strong 2024 performance underscores the growing impact our proprietary adjustable IOL technology has had on the U.S. premium IOL market during the last several years. As indicated in our 2025 guidance, we believe RxSight can durably grow as the power of adjustability becomes more widely recognized and accessible to doctors and patients through traditional and innovative adoption models, both in the U.S. and other key established premium IOL markets. Since RxSight went public and began scaling its U.S. commercial team in Q3 2021, the new adjustable premium IOL category we created has grown to approximately 10% of the overall U.S. premium IOL market on a procedure volume basis through Q4 2024, with an even greater impact in revenue terms. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:11:25In fact, in 2024, we believe that adjustable premium IOLs accounted for nearly half of the overall growth of premium IOLs in the U.S., which may help explain the perceived stagnation in some legacy non-adjustable premium IOLs at the industry level. Our 2024 customer survey reinforced previous findings and KOL commentaries that approximately three-quarters of LAL cases come from the conversion of monofocal and toric IOL patients. As a result, practices that adopted our technology are estimated to have increased overall U.S. practice-level premium revenue by approximately 10%, with even larger potential impact on their individual practices. Doctors and practices increasingly recognize the importance of this expanding and durable revenue source as they face the dual challenges of demographically driven reimbursement declines and cyclically sensitive patient pay procedures like LASIK. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:12:30In this environment, the growth of high-margin, private-pay LAL procedures that appeal to a more financially secure demographic will likely become even more critical to the financial sustainability of eye care providers in coming years. With about 1,500 of the approximately 10,000 U.S. cataract surgeons trained on our technology, we anticipate a long runway for continued LDD placements in offices serving cataract patients. Additionally, the growth of novel business models offering alternative approaches to deliver post-operative light treatments is expected to further expand access to adjustability for both surgeons and their patients. Delivering consistent, high-quality outcomes across doctors, practices, and geographies is essential for long-term adoption and growth. We believe RxSight's expanding set of clinical data validates the unique ability of our technology to meet this standard. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:13:32For example, our recently completed FDA post-approval study, which utilized the latest iteration of RxSight technology, demonstrated that the odds of achieving very low levels of both residual sphere and cylinder with the LAL were more than 14 times that of a monofocal IOL in eyes with modest preoperative corneal astigmatism. This level of refractive precision also translated into more than a four-times increase in the odds of achieving uncorrected distance vision of 20/20 or better in LAL eyes. These FDA study results further validate observations from real-world registry data showing that both LAL and LAL Plus patients achieve similarly excellent refractive and visual outcomes, thereby enabling doctors to customize their patients' binocular vision to meet and exceed their specific visual goals. As we progress towards regulatory approvals in key markets in Asia and Europe, demonstrating that local doctors can replicate these outcomes is essential. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:14:40A recent publication documenting LAL clinical results in a cohort of Japanese patients, which was also highly consistent with U.S. data, exemplifies the efforts we will continue to pursue as we expand into new markets. Additionally, our previously announced approval of an extended range of diopter powers for the LAL Plus will likely have crossover relevance for the growing population of cataract patients in multiple countries with high degrees of myopia, including many who have previously undergone corneal refractive procedures. We are also pleased to announce that we received FDA approval for an additional LDD functionality that builds on our clinical experience with aspheric optics. Scheduled for release in the second half of 2025, this enhancement will allow doctors to customize the asphericity of the LAL, something previously only possible through preoperative selection of a specific fixed IOL. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:15:44While relatively modest in its initial capabilities, we believe this advancement opens the door for even higher levels of customization in cataract surgery, similar to advances seen in corneal refractive surgery over the past 20 years. In summary, we believe that RxSight's adjustable technology has already reshaped the premium cataract surgery market, offering the only IOL that allows post-operative vision customization. With this strong foundation in place, we are now focused on expanding access, accelerating adoption, and driving new innovations. This next phase of growth will be fueled by the continued partnership between the dedicated RxSight team and our insightful clinical partners worldwide. With momentum on our side, a clear strategic roadmap, and a growing community of passionate adopters, we believe RxSight is well-positioned for continued success. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:16:40We look forward to updating you on our progress throughout the year, and with that, I'll ask our operator to open the call for questions. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:16:50Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you have dialed in and would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star one again. If you are called upon to ask your question and are listening via speakerphone on your device, please pick up your handset to ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question. Again, press star one to join the queue, and we'll take our first question. It comes from the line of Robbie Marcus with JP Morgan. Your line is open. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:17:29Hi, this is Lily. I'm for Robbie. Thanks so much for taking the question. Maybe we could start with LAL utilization and some of the trends that you've been seeing there lately. How do you think about utilization continuing to grow in 2025 now that we're sort of beyond the early adopter phase? And how would you say that utilization varies at some of your mature accounts versus your newer ones? Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:17:54Okay. Good. Yeah, that's always been a subject of conversation as it's an output of two numbers: the installed base of LDDs at the end of the previous quarter and then the number of LALs implanted in the current quarter. And that results in a number of LALs per LDD. So it's another measure that the public can look at. In the second quarter, it was 11 LALs per LDD. In the third quarter, it was down a bit around 8.7 and then back up again at 10.9 in the fourth quarter. So it's somewhat affected by the amount of newer LDDs we have in our mix as well as just overall growth and our penetration, as Ron said, we think about half the growth in the premium IOL market in 2024 came from the almost 100,000 LALs implanted in 2024. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:18:55So it is a measure that overall we expect to grow, but it can fluctuate. It can fluctuate on seasonality. It can fluctuate a little bit if we have a very, very strong quarter, the previous quarter for LDD sales. But what I would say about this is that what we see when we look at our cohorts of LDD installs in 2021 and prior, 2022 and 2023, 2024 is a little too early to look at because it takes about a year for an account to get to roughly the same number that the previous cohorts get in aggregate. What we've always seen is that that is continued to grow, right? And so all of the cohorts end up in just about the same place of number of LALs per LDD. And that's been very consistent as we've been looking at this for the last couple of years. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:19:55Of course, the class of 2023 got to those same numbers a little faster, obviously, than the classes of 2021 and 2022, and we expect that number to continue to be consistent. That being said, however, the distribution of how accounts act individually is obviously different. Sometimes we have very small accounts that don't do a lot of premium, but they use the LAL for the vast majority of their premium IOL cases. Other times, we're relatively new in an account, and they're still ramping up their LAL volume, so I think it's across the board, but even though these cohorts are relatively small, they seem to be acting consistently, and we don't see a ceiling in a cohort, and we sometimes get that question. They all seem to be growing as well, and we would expect the number to continue to grow, but it might be variable quarter by quarter. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:21:01Would you add anything, Ron? Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:21:03No, I would just reiterate that that's an output. It's not a key focus. Our key focus is obviously driving more LALs, and that can be accomplished obviously through driving more LDDs, but also increasing adoption within the account. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:21:27Thank you. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:21:30Got it. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:21:34Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Zimmerman with BTIG. Your line is open. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:21:41Thank you. Thanks for taking the question and congrats on your progress this year. I guess, Ron, I was struck by the comments about the aspheric IOL. It's very interesting to hear about, obviously, new information. As I think about those that may have an aspheric IOL need, would you say that those are younger, potentially myopic patients? I'm just curious kind of how to think about the initial sizing of that opportunity and when it may come to fruition. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:22:15So I would clarify that both the LAL and the LAL Plus are already aspheric lenses, but the additional LDD functionality gives doctors the ability to actively modify that level of asphericity. And there are clinical situations where that's advantageous, different patient populations that may have more or less need for asphericity or benefit from asphericity, and that's really up to the physician. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:22:50Okay. On the pre-announcement, you had called this out. I think you called it out today too, that 15% of the potential physician base is trained right now on LDD. And I think you make that point just to show that there's sufficient runway ahead. But I'm wondering if you could kind of reflect on who the buyers are today versus a year ago and kind of the pace at which you would expect that adoption to continue to grow in 2025 and beyond. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:23:26I think they're probably more alike than different. People, ophthalmologists and practices, have different reasons for adopting at different times. Really, I think that we have a broad spectrum of practices that have our technology now, and we have a broad spectrum of practices that are still not yet adopted, but hopefully will soon. I don't necessarily think that it's a particular type of practice. We really see a cross-section, and it comes down to does that individual practice or doctor want to adopt the technology? That decision can be based on a lot of different factors. It can be based on technology advancements like we've had recently with LAL Plus and the low diopter powers and now with the aspheric functionality. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:24:32And that's an important way that we continue to drive adoption is to give the next group of doctors and practices a reason to adopt, also a reason for our teams to interact with practices that may already have our technology and may be considering how they want to expand their use of our technology in their practices. So again, I think we're at such early innings that there's a lot of different types of practices that we're still reaching into. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:25:14Very helpful. Thank you for taking the question. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:25:17Thank you, Ryan. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:25:21Our next question comes from the line of Steve Lichtman with Oppenheimer. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:25:27Thank you. Good evening, guys. Just wanted to piggyback on the LDD enhancement, Ron. You mentioned opening the door to even more customization. Can you expand on that? What further advancements could we see as a result of this with the platform as you look out over the next few years? Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:25:49I would maybe not comment directly on that, but I think the folks in the ophthalmic community can look to corneal refractive surgery as an analogy where initially, when excimer lasers were approved, they were focused on the correction of the so-called lower order optical aberrations of sphere and cylinder, and over time, that expanded to other corrections. Now, of course, the sphere and cylinder are always the primary focus because they're the largest, but there are discrete needs and benefits to being able to address the lower orders, the higher orders as well, and there's always. There may be additional requirements, but this is, again, a first step in that direction in cataract surgery that I'm aware of. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:26:55Okay. Great. Thanks, Ron. And then just in terms of the growth investments you're making this year on the OpEx side, can you give us an update on sort of where the main areas of focus are as it relates to the commercial organization, marketing, some of the optometrist work? Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:27:15Do you want to start there, Ron? Yes. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:27:16Sure. I would just comment that it's all of the above. We are always focused on providing the highest level of clinical training and support and overall field support. So we continue to add that as our customer base grows. As we've talked about before, a key element of expanding our adoption is education, not only within our practices, but also to the wider community of eye care providers, which obviously includes as a big part is optometry. And we have expanded our efforts in that space, both by attending both national but also regional meetings and providing additional support for our practices to be able to educate their local optometrists. So I think those all are important. I don't know if you want to add anything, Shelley. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:28:23Yeah. I would just add something else. If you look at SG&A, the sales and marketing portion, of course, is primarily people and travel. And we've expanded our commercial organization from about 10 to a bit over 200 in the years since we've gone public as well. And that's to support not only new customers, but as well existing customers. And the great part about the R&D roadmap that Ron lays out is that when our clinical people go in and our account managers go in, they usually have something new to offer. It might be a software upgrade. It might be additional training. And so each of those are value-added, and that adds up to our goal to get more fully penetrated in each one of those accounts. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:29:17Of course, our goal remains to become 50% or greater of the total premium IOL market, first in the U.S. and then globally. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:29:29Great. Thanks for the color. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:29:31Thank you, Steve. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:29:34Next question comes from the line of David Saxon with Needham. Your line is open. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:29:40Great. Good afternoon, Ron and Shelley. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the quarter. I wanted to ask about top-line guidance and specifically about the cadence. Shelley, I heard kind of the comments about first and third quarter being the weakest, but I wanted to kind of drill down on the first quarter sequential trends. Last year, you grew sequentially in the first quarter. Obviously, you've been seeing more of an impact from seasonality. So given we're kind of a little over halfway through the quarter, high-level expectations for sequential growth or decline in the first quarter relative to the fourth quarter? Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:30:26Yeah. It's always such a good question. And last year, seasonality kind of surprised us. And it's the first time in at least my 30-plus years selling, being a CFO for a razor blade company, that the first half was seasonally stronger than the second half. And in particular, last year, we had a very strong seasonal Q1 and Q2 coming on top of that. I guess an end of one doesn't yet convince me that normal seasonality will prevail, which means that we're a bit larger. It's much, much harder to grow sequentially each and every quarter as our numbers have gotten larger. And of course, we had a great fourth quarter as well. So while I don't give specifics in the first quarter, I expect that that will be a seasonally weaker quarter, and third quarter, again, due to vacations. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:31:30And second and fourth, the strongest quarters during the year. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:31:34Okay. Very clear. Appreciate that color. And then in the script, you talked about, I think, 75% of LAL patients coming from monofocal and toric. Acknowledging that's a large number, I wanted to ask on some of these premium competitive launches, a couple recent, one upcoming. Kind of have you seen any impact from competitive trialing? And then with one coming up in a couple of months, kind of expectations there and anything material baked into guidance? Thanks so much. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:32:16Maybe I'll take that at a high level, David. Obviously, when you get to even the percentage that we're of in the market, approximately 10%, it's large enough to be impacted by competition, even if it's not direct competition directed towards us. So I wouldn't be surprised if there's some impact, but I think it's going to be predominantly focused on other similar technologies in the presbyopia-correcting space. Anything to add there? Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:33:00Great. Thank you. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:33:02Thank you. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:33:04Next question comes from the line of Larry Biegelsen with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:33:12Hi. Thanks. It's Leigh calling in for Larry. Thanks for taking the question. I want to start with the 25 guidance. As you think about the year, you just talked about the revenue cadence and the seasonality. How should we think about cadence for gross margin spending and then LDD versus LAL mix? Anything you can give color to on that? And I have a follow-up. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:33:42Okay. Great. Thank you very much, Leigh. We have said when asked directly, and we said it publicly, do we expect LDD number sold to be higher than 2024? We've said yes. And while we don't break out our revenue guidance by the two components of our product, LAL, like last year and the year before, is expected to grow faster and continue to become a more predominant portion of our revenue. Of course, we never hold back LDD sales to manage gross margin, but naturally, through that, you're going to have margin expansion, and mix will determine the margin in each quarter as well. And I think last year, we got a lot of cost savings out of the LDD. This year, it's primarily driven by mix and more minor kind of cost savings, both at the LDD, quite minor, as well as on the LAL. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:34:51Great. That's helpful. And then my follow-up is just on R&D. So we estimate that you'll spend about $40 million or so on R&D this year. Can you just talk a little bit more about where are you allocating those dollars? That is, where do you see opportunities for further innovation? Thank you. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:35:11I would just say that as we're early innings in the commercial launch in the U.S., incipient outside the U.S., I believe the same is true on the R&D pipeline. We're in early innings for this technology, and we've got many, many years of advancements that will continue to benefit our customers. We have the unique ability to continue to upgrade our technology in the field to provide really many years of benefits from their investments, both in terms of the cost of the LDD, but also their intellectual investments in the technology. I don't think that there's any one thing that I would call out, but we're focused on continuing to drive innovation in this technology for many years to come. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:36:27And we have another question from Danielle Antalffy with UBS. Your line is open. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:36:34Hey, good afternoon, guys. Thanks so much for taking the question. Shelley, this is probably a question for you. Just thinking about the margin cadence here, gross margin cadence, as we go through specifically 2025, but also in the out years as much as you can help put out guideposts for us. As the LAL becomes a bigger piece of the mix here, how do we think how should we think about margin cadence and the upside opportunity there? And then I have one quick follow-up. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:37:06Okay. Great. You've seen tremendous margin expansion in the last year in 2024. It was 100 basis points, so pretty terrific as well. You won't see that kind of big jump. That came in 2024 from pretty significant cost savings on the newer LDD, same functionality where we took out some costs as well as continued volume increases in the LAL. But I think you should see a regular cadence of gross margin expansion. It might vary a little in a quarter depending on the number of LDDs we sell as a percent. If you had a very strong LDD quarter, it might be a little lower than it would have been otherwise. But I think you'll see consistent cadence in margin improvements. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:37:59As I look at the company going way, way out, right, the LAL would be dominant, but we've still got a pretty big world to conquer on LDD sales and growing LAL sales. So the company could be an 80% plus gross margin company, and I think that we'll continue to advance through that year over year. But I would never want to hold back sales of LDDs. But at real maturity, I could see it at 80% plus. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:38:33Gotcha. Okay. That's helpful. And then I wanted to follow up on a comment, Ron, that you made in the prepared remarks around the centers that are figuring out business models or unique ways to work this into their workflow in a way that's efficient and what have you. So I guess the question here is, how much are you seeing that be replicated? And are you seeing other centers implement that? Is there something unique about those centers that enables them to implement those models, or is that something that you expect to ultimately be replicated and implemented across your centers? Thanks so much. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:39:21Yeah. I think that just to clarify, it's not necessarily a new phenomenon. We've had LDD-focused treatment centers, whether they're informal based on an individual practitioner or more formal. But we do see more interest in that space. I think it's analogous to, again, what happened previously, both with ambulatory surgery centers and with LASIK centers. And it's not surprising that this would occur as adjustability becomes a bigger part of the premium cataract space. And net, we think it's a positive in that it can give additional access to both doctors and patients. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:40:23Thank you so much. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:40:25Thank you. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:40:28Our last question comes from the line of Thomas Stephan with Stifel. Your line is open. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:40:35Great. Hey, guys. Thanks for the questions. I'll start with the pipeline. And I guess, Ron, just thinking specifically about LAL advancements, can you kind of elaborate on what this entails in terms of, I guess I'll call it the nature of the advancements? I know you mentioned early innings and upgrading technology in the field. I mean, should we think about this as sort of improvements and upgrades like ActiveShield, for example, or do we maybe think about new lenses on the horizon altogether, like LAL Plus as an example? Then I have a follow-up. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:41:16Yeah. I would say it's all of the above. If you look back at the advancements that we've done, some of them are to the optics, some of them are to other functionality of the lens, and some of them are functionality or usability characteristics of the ancillary products like the light delivery device or our injector tools. So it's really all of the above, and we try to respond to the requests of our customer base, who we are very close with, and collaborate with them to bring them those things that are going to be beneficial. Maybe not to a large number of patients, but to beneficial enough that it's a reason for them to continue to expand their offerings of the LAL or some derivative. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:42:21That's great color. Thanks, Ron. Appreciate that. And then, Shelley, my second question may be for you. Just on guidance, I think it may very roughly imply that LAL utilization remains in the high single-digit range, which is, I think, where you exited in the fourth quarter of 2024, although that was a bit of a deceleration from 3Q 2024 year-over-year growth. So I guess my question is, what gives you the confidence that utilization can at least hold steady in this high single-digit year-over-year % growth range? And then maybe what's your level of conviction that utilization actually could re-accelerate throughout 2025? Thanks. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:43:04I think the most important metric for us is the absolute number of LALs that are implanted, and I think that's the number one metric, right, and certainly, we think as an outgrowth of that, that number of LALs per LDD is something that will continue to grow, although it might be variable quarter to quarter, and if we think about going back in the past, when you're very small, it's just the law of larger and small numbers, right, and so as long as we continue to have steady growth consistent with our expectation of revenue, I think we're quite happy. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:43:49Super helpful. Thanks, Shelley. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:43:53That concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to our CEO, Ron Kurtz, for closing remarks. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:44:03Great. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:01Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Desiree, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to RxSight Fourth Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press Star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question again, press the Star one. I would now like to turn the conference over to Oliver Moravcevic, Vice President, Investor Relations. You may begin. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:00:39Thank you, Operator. Presenting today are RxSight President and Chief Executive Officer Dr. Ron Kurtz and Chief Financial Officer Shelley Thunen. Earlier today, RxSight released financial results for the three months ended December 31, 2024. A copy of the press release is available on the company's website. Before we begin, I would like to inform you that comments and responses to questions during today's call reflect management's views as of today, February 25, 2025, and will include forward-looking and opinion statements including predictions, estimates, plans, expectations, and other information. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied as a result of certain risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties are more fully described in our press release issued today and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, or SEC. Our SEC filings can be found on our website or the SEC's website. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:01:39Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements, and we disclaim any obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements except as may be required by law. We will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. Disclosures regarding non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations with the most comparable GAAP measures, can be found in the press release. Please note that this conference call will be available for audio replay on our Investor Relations website. With that, I will turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Dr. Ron Kurtz. Ron? Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:02:15Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us. In a moment, Shelley will review the fourth quarter and full year 2024 financial results, highlighting the key drivers of our performance. Following Shelley's review, I'll provide an update on the continued success of the RxSight system, our role in shaping the premium cataract market, and the major developments that are setting the stage for our next phase of growth. With that, I'll turn the call over to Shelley. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:02:42Thank you, Ron, and good afternoon, everyone. Consistent with our January pre-announcement, RxSight reported fourth quarter 2024 revenue of $40.2 million, up 41% compared to the year-ago quarter. Growth was broad-based, driven by strong growth in LAL procedure volume and the continued expansion of our installed base of LDDs. The positive momentum we saw throughout 2024 remains fueled by surgeons' increasing appreciation of the clinical advantage and economic value of the RxSight system, particularly the benefits of post-operative adjustability. LAL sales maintained strong growth in the fourth quarter of 2024, reflecting the increased preference amongst surgeons and patients for the enhanced clinical outcomes offered by our adjustable IOLs. We sold a record of 29,069 LALs in the period, up 61% from the fourth quarter of 2023. These procedure volumes translated into LAL revenue of $28.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2024, up 60% compared to the year-ago quarter. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:04:01In the fourth quarter of 2024, we sold 83 LDDs and generated $10.7 million in LDD revenue. We ended 2024 with an LDD installed base of 971 units, up 46% compared to the 666 units installed at the end of 2023. Higher LAL volume in the fourth quarter also led to an increased LAL revenue mix, with LAL revenue accounting for 71% of total revenue, up from 62% in the fourth quarter of 2023. This shift in mix, combined with LDD sales with a lower manufacturing cost and higher average selling price, expanded our gross margin to 71.6% in the fourth quarter of 2024, up from 61.8% in the fourth quarter of 2023. Fourth quarter 2024 SG&A expenses were $28.2 million, up 33% versus the prior year period. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:05:09This year-over-year increase in SG&A was primarily associated with increased expenses in sales and clinical personnel costs to support our growing installed base. On a sequential basis, SG&A was up 10%, primarily due to increases in headcount and expenses related to higher sales volumes achieved in the fourth quarter. Research and development expenses for the fourth quarter of 2024 were $9.2 million, representing an increase of 25% year-over-year. The change versus the year-ago period was primarily due to increased facility costs and associated increases in salaries and stock-based compensation. On a sequential basis, R&D expense remained relatively stable, with a 4% increase compared to the third quarter of 2024. We reported a net loss in the fourth quarter of 2024 of $5.9 million, or a loss of $0.15 per basic and diluted share using weighted average shares outstanding of 40.4 million shares. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:06:20In the year-ago quarter, our net loss was $9.2 million, or $0.26 per share on a basic and diluted basis using a weighted average of 36 million shares. Note also that stock-based compensation in the fourth quarter of 2024 was $7.3 million, resulting in an adjusted net income of $1.3 million, or $0.03 per basic and diluted share. In the interest of time, I'll provide a brief recap of full year 2024 results. During the year, revenue grew 57% to $139.9 million, driven by a 78% increase in LAL revenue and a 24% increase in LDD revenue. Our full year 2024 gross profit margin was 70.7% compared to 60.4% in 2023. Total operating expenses were $135.8 million in 2024, an increase of 31% compared to 2023. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:07:31For the full year 2024, we reported a net loss of $27.5 million, or $0.71, versus a net loss of $48.6 million, or $1.41 per share on a basic and diluted basis in 2023. Excluding the $24.6 million in stock-based compensation expense, our net loss in 2024 was $2.8 million, or $0.07 per basic and diluted share. Moving to the balance sheet, we ended the year with no debt and $237.2 million in cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments. During 2024, we raised $107.5 million net of fees and expenses from our confidentially marketed public offering. Turning to 2025 guidance, we are reaffirming the guidance we provided in January as we continue to expect 2025 full year revenue to range between $185-$197 million, representing year-over-year growth of 32%-41%. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:08:48Throughout the year, we expect typical seasonality, with the first and third quarters seasonally weaker, while the second and fourth quarters are expected to be seasonally stronger. Revenue contribution outside of North America is expected to remain nominal in 2025, with a more meaningful impact anticipated in 2026 and beyond. We expect our full year 2025 gross margin to be in the range of 71%-73%, reflecting a continued increase in revenue mix from the higher margin LAL procedure volume. We continue to expect operating expenses to be between $165 million and $170 million, which represents an increase of 22%-25% over the prior year and reflects ongoing investments in sales and marketing, research, and development to achieve projected revenue increases in 2025 and the years beyond. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:09:52Investments are primarily in personnel, with the largest expected increase, similar to 2024, headcount increases in our commercial team, which now numbers a bit over 200, with a focus on sales, education, installation, training, and clinical support. Included in our costs, primarily in operating expenses, is non-cash stock-based compensation expense of approximately $22 million-$25 million. With that, I'll turn the call back to Ron. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:10:27Thank you, Shelley. We believe that RxSight's strong 2024 performance underscores the growing impact our proprietary adjustable IOL technology has had on the U.S. premium IOL market during the last several years. As indicated in our 2025 guidance, we believe RxSight can durably grow as the power of adjustability becomes more widely recognized and accessible to doctors and patients through traditional and innovative adoption models, both in the U.S. and other key established premium IOL markets. Since RxSight went public and began scaling its U.S. commercial team in Q3 2021, the new adjustable premium IOL category we created has grown to approximately 10% of the overall U.S. premium IOL market on a procedure volume basis through Q4 2024, with an even greater impact in revenue terms. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:11:25In fact, in 2024, we believe that adjustable premium IOLs accounted for nearly half of the overall growth of premium IOLs in the U.S., which may help explain the perceived stagnation in some legacy non-adjustable premium IOLs at the industry level. Our 2024 customer survey reinforced previous findings and KOL commentaries that approximately three-quarters of LAL cases come from the conversion of monofocal and toric IOL patients. As a result, practices that adopted our technology are estimated to have increased overall U.S. practice-level premium revenue by approximately 10%, with even larger potential impact on their individual practices. Doctors and practices increasingly recognize the importance of this expanding and durable revenue source as they face the dual challenges of demographically driven reimbursement declines and cyclically sensitive patient pay procedures like LASIK. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:12:30In this environment, the growth of high-margin, private-pay LAL procedures that appeal to a more financially secure demographic will likely become even more critical to the financial sustainability of eye care providers in coming years. With about 1,500 of the approximately 10,000 U.S. cataract surgeons trained on our technology, we anticipate a long runway for continued LDD placements in offices serving cataract patients. Additionally, the growth of novel business models offering alternative approaches to deliver post-operative light treatments is expected to further expand access to adjustability for both surgeons and their patients. Delivering consistent, high-quality outcomes across doctors, practices, and geographies is essential for long-term adoption and growth. We believe RxSight's expanding set of clinical data validates the unique ability of our technology to meet this standard. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:13:32For example, our recently completed FDA post-approval study, which utilized the latest iteration of RxSight technology, demonstrated that the odds of achieving very low levels of both residual sphere and cylinder with the LAL were more than 14 times that of a monofocal IOL in eyes with modest preoperative corneal astigmatism. This level of refractive precision also translated into more than a four-times increase in the odds of achieving uncorrected distance vision of 20/20 or better in LAL eyes. These FDA study results further validate observations from real-world registry data showing that both LAL and LAL Plus patients achieve similarly excellent refractive and visual outcomes, thereby enabling doctors to customize their patients' binocular vision to meet and exceed their specific visual goals. As we progress towards regulatory approvals in key markets in Asia and Europe, demonstrating that local doctors can replicate these outcomes is essential. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:14:40A recent publication documenting LAL clinical results in a cohort of Japanese patients, which was also highly consistent with U.S. data, exemplifies the efforts we will continue to pursue as we expand into new markets. Additionally, our previously announced approval of an extended range of diopter powers for the LAL Plus will likely have crossover relevance for the growing population of cataract patients in multiple countries with high degrees of myopia, including many who have previously undergone corneal refractive procedures. We are also pleased to announce that we received FDA approval for an additional LDD functionality that builds on our clinical experience with aspheric optics. Scheduled for release in the second half of 2025, this enhancement will allow doctors to customize the asphericity of the LAL, something previously only possible through preoperative selection of a specific fixed IOL. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:15:44While relatively modest in its initial capabilities, we believe this advancement opens the door for even higher levels of customization in cataract surgery, similar to advances seen in corneal refractive surgery over the past 20 years. In summary, we believe that RxSight's adjustable technology has already reshaped the premium cataract surgery market, offering the only IOL that allows post-operative vision customization. With this strong foundation in place, we are now focused on expanding access, accelerating adoption, and driving new innovations. This next phase of growth will be fueled by the continued partnership between the dedicated RxSight team and our insightful clinical partners worldwide. With momentum on our side, a clear strategic roadmap, and a growing community of passionate adopters, we believe RxSight is well-positioned for continued success. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:16:40We look forward to updating you on our progress throughout the year, and with that, I'll ask our operator to open the call for questions. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:16:50Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you have dialed in and would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star one again. If you are called upon to ask your question and are listening via speakerphone on your device, please pick up your handset to ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question. Again, press star one to join the queue, and we'll take our first question. It comes from the line of Robbie Marcus with JP Morgan. Your line is open. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:17:29Hi, this is Lily. I'm for Robbie. Thanks so much for taking the question. Maybe we could start with LAL utilization and some of the trends that you've been seeing there lately. How do you think about utilization continuing to grow in 2025 now that we're sort of beyond the early adopter phase? And how would you say that utilization varies at some of your mature accounts versus your newer ones? Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:17:54Okay. Good. Yeah, that's always been a subject of conversation as it's an output of two numbers: the installed base of LDDs at the end of the previous quarter and then the number of LALs implanted in the current quarter. And that results in a number of LALs per LDD. So it's another measure that the public can look at. In the second quarter, it was 11 LALs per LDD. In the third quarter, it was down a bit around 8.7 and then back up again at 10.9 in the fourth quarter. So it's somewhat affected by the amount of newer LDDs we have in our mix as well as just overall growth and our penetration, as Ron said, we think about half the growth in the premium IOL market in 2024 came from the almost 100,000 LALs implanted in 2024. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:18:55So it is a measure that overall we expect to grow, but it can fluctuate. It can fluctuate on seasonality. It can fluctuate a little bit if we have a very, very strong quarter, the previous quarter for LDD sales. But what I would say about this is that what we see when we look at our cohorts of LDD installs in 2021 and prior, 2022 and 2023, 2024 is a little too early to look at because it takes about a year for an account to get to roughly the same number that the previous cohorts get in aggregate. What we've always seen is that that is continued to grow, right? And so all of the cohorts end up in just about the same place of number of LALs per LDD. And that's been very consistent as we've been looking at this for the last couple of years. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:19:55Of course, the class of 2023 got to those same numbers a little faster, obviously, than the classes of 2021 and 2022, and we expect that number to continue to be consistent. That being said, however, the distribution of how accounts act individually is obviously different. Sometimes we have very small accounts that don't do a lot of premium, but they use the LAL for the vast majority of their premium IOL cases. Other times, we're relatively new in an account, and they're still ramping up their LAL volume, so I think it's across the board, but even though these cohorts are relatively small, they seem to be acting consistently, and we don't see a ceiling in a cohort, and we sometimes get that question. They all seem to be growing as well, and we would expect the number to continue to grow, but it might be variable quarter by quarter. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:21:01Would you add anything, Ron? Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:21:03No, I would just reiterate that that's an output. It's not a key focus. Our key focus is obviously driving more LALs, and that can be accomplished obviously through driving more LDDs, but also increasing adoption within the account. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:21:27Thank you. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:21:30Got it. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:21:34Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Zimmerman with BTIG. Your line is open. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:21:41Thank you. Thanks for taking the question and congrats on your progress this year. I guess, Ron, I was struck by the comments about the aspheric IOL. It's very interesting to hear about, obviously, new information. As I think about those that may have an aspheric IOL need, would you say that those are younger, potentially myopic patients? I'm just curious kind of how to think about the initial sizing of that opportunity and when it may come to fruition. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:22:15So I would clarify that both the LAL and the LAL Plus are already aspheric lenses, but the additional LDD functionality gives doctors the ability to actively modify that level of asphericity. And there are clinical situations where that's advantageous, different patient populations that may have more or less need for asphericity or benefit from asphericity, and that's really up to the physician. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:22:50Okay. On the pre-announcement, you had called this out. I think you called it out today too, that 15% of the potential physician base is trained right now on LDD. And I think you make that point just to show that there's sufficient runway ahead. But I'm wondering if you could kind of reflect on who the buyers are today versus a year ago and kind of the pace at which you would expect that adoption to continue to grow in 2025 and beyond. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:23:26I think they're probably more alike than different. People, ophthalmologists and practices, have different reasons for adopting at different times. Really, I think that we have a broad spectrum of practices that have our technology now, and we have a broad spectrum of practices that are still not yet adopted, but hopefully will soon. I don't necessarily think that it's a particular type of practice. We really see a cross-section, and it comes down to does that individual practice or doctor want to adopt the technology? That decision can be based on a lot of different factors. It can be based on technology advancements like we've had recently with LAL Plus and the low diopter powers and now with the aspheric functionality. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:24:32And that's an important way that we continue to drive adoption is to give the next group of doctors and practices a reason to adopt, also a reason for our teams to interact with practices that may already have our technology and may be considering how they want to expand their use of our technology in their practices. So again, I think we're at such early innings that there's a lot of different types of practices that we're still reaching into. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:25:14Very helpful. Thank you for taking the question. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:25:17Thank you, Ryan. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:25:21Our next question comes from the line of Steve Lichtman with Oppenheimer. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:25:27Thank you. Good evening, guys. Just wanted to piggyback on the LDD enhancement, Ron. You mentioned opening the door to even more customization. Can you expand on that? What further advancements could we see as a result of this with the platform as you look out over the next few years? Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:25:49I would maybe not comment directly on that, but I think the folks in the ophthalmic community can look to corneal refractive surgery as an analogy where initially, when excimer lasers were approved, they were focused on the correction of the so-called lower order optical aberrations of sphere and cylinder, and over time, that expanded to other corrections. Now, of course, the sphere and cylinder are always the primary focus because they're the largest, but there are discrete needs and benefits to being able to address the lower orders, the higher orders as well, and there's always. There may be additional requirements, but this is, again, a first step in that direction in cataract surgery that I'm aware of. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:26:55Okay. Great. Thanks, Ron. And then just in terms of the growth investments you're making this year on the OpEx side, can you give us an update on sort of where the main areas of focus are as it relates to the commercial organization, marketing, some of the optometrist work? Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:27:15Do you want to start there, Ron? Yes. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:27:16Sure. I would just comment that it's all of the above. We are always focused on providing the highest level of clinical training and support and overall field support. So we continue to add that as our customer base grows. As we've talked about before, a key element of expanding our adoption is education, not only within our practices, but also to the wider community of eye care providers, which obviously includes as a big part is optometry. And we have expanded our efforts in that space, both by attending both national but also regional meetings and providing additional support for our practices to be able to educate their local optometrists. So I think those all are important. I don't know if you want to add anything, Shelley. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:28:23Yeah. I would just add something else. If you look at SG&A, the sales and marketing portion, of course, is primarily people and travel. And we've expanded our commercial organization from about 10 to a bit over 200 in the years since we've gone public as well. And that's to support not only new customers, but as well existing customers. And the great part about the R&D roadmap that Ron lays out is that when our clinical people go in and our account managers go in, they usually have something new to offer. It might be a software upgrade. It might be additional training. And so each of those are value-added, and that adds up to our goal to get more fully penetrated in each one of those accounts. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:29:17Of course, our goal remains to become 50% or greater of the total premium IOL market, first in the U.S. and then globally. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:29:29Great. Thanks for the color. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:29:31Thank you, Steve. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:29:34Next question comes from the line of David Saxon with Needham. Your line is open. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:29:40Great. Good afternoon, Ron and Shelley. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the quarter. I wanted to ask about top-line guidance and specifically about the cadence. Shelley, I heard kind of the comments about first and third quarter being the weakest, but I wanted to kind of drill down on the first quarter sequential trends. Last year, you grew sequentially in the first quarter. Obviously, you've been seeing more of an impact from seasonality. So given we're kind of a little over halfway through the quarter, high-level expectations for sequential growth or decline in the first quarter relative to the fourth quarter? Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:30:26Yeah. It's always such a good question. And last year, seasonality kind of surprised us. And it's the first time in at least my 30-plus years selling, being a CFO for a razor blade company, that the first half was seasonally stronger than the second half. And in particular, last year, we had a very strong seasonal Q1 and Q2 coming on top of that. I guess an end of one doesn't yet convince me that normal seasonality will prevail, which means that we're a bit larger. It's much, much harder to grow sequentially each and every quarter as our numbers have gotten larger. And of course, we had a great fourth quarter as well. So while I don't give specifics in the first quarter, I expect that that will be a seasonally weaker quarter, and third quarter, again, due to vacations. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:31:30And second and fourth, the strongest quarters during the year. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:31:34Okay. Very clear. Appreciate that color. And then in the script, you talked about, I think, 75% of LAL patients coming from monofocal and toric. Acknowledging that's a large number, I wanted to ask on some of these premium competitive launches, a couple recent, one upcoming. Kind of have you seen any impact from competitive trialing? And then with one coming up in a couple of months, kind of expectations there and anything material baked into guidance? Thanks so much. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:32:16Maybe I'll take that at a high level, David. Obviously, when you get to even the percentage that we're of in the market, approximately 10%, it's large enough to be impacted by competition, even if it's not direct competition directed towards us. So I wouldn't be surprised if there's some impact, but I think it's going to be predominantly focused on other similar technologies in the presbyopia-correcting space. Anything to add there? Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:33:00Great. Thank you. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:33:02Thank you. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:33:04Next question comes from the line of Larry Biegelsen with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:33:12Hi. Thanks. It's Leigh calling in for Larry. Thanks for taking the question. I want to start with the 25 guidance. As you think about the year, you just talked about the revenue cadence and the seasonality. How should we think about cadence for gross margin spending and then LDD versus LAL mix? Anything you can give color to on that? And I have a follow-up. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:33:42Okay. Great. Thank you very much, Leigh. We have said when asked directly, and we said it publicly, do we expect LDD number sold to be higher than 2024? We've said yes. And while we don't break out our revenue guidance by the two components of our product, LAL, like last year and the year before, is expected to grow faster and continue to become a more predominant portion of our revenue. Of course, we never hold back LDD sales to manage gross margin, but naturally, through that, you're going to have margin expansion, and mix will determine the margin in each quarter as well. And I think last year, we got a lot of cost savings out of the LDD. This year, it's primarily driven by mix and more minor kind of cost savings, both at the LDD, quite minor, as well as on the LAL. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:34:51Great. That's helpful. And then my follow-up is just on R&D. So we estimate that you'll spend about $40 million or so on R&D this year. Can you just talk a little bit more about where are you allocating those dollars? That is, where do you see opportunities for further innovation? Thank you. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:35:11I would just say that as we're early innings in the commercial launch in the U.S., incipient outside the U.S., I believe the same is true on the R&D pipeline. We're in early innings for this technology, and we've got many, many years of advancements that will continue to benefit our customers. We have the unique ability to continue to upgrade our technology in the field to provide really many years of benefits from their investments, both in terms of the cost of the LDD, but also their intellectual investments in the technology. I don't think that there's any one thing that I would call out, but we're focused on continuing to drive innovation in this technology for many years to come. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:36:27And we have another question from Danielle Antalffy with UBS. Your line is open. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:36:34Hey, good afternoon, guys. Thanks so much for taking the question. Shelley, this is probably a question for you. Just thinking about the margin cadence here, gross margin cadence, as we go through specifically 2025, but also in the out years as much as you can help put out guideposts for us. As the LAL becomes a bigger piece of the mix here, how do we think how should we think about margin cadence and the upside opportunity there? And then I have one quick follow-up. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:37:06Okay. Great. You've seen tremendous margin expansion in the last year in 2024. It was 100 basis points, so pretty terrific as well. You won't see that kind of big jump. That came in 2024 from pretty significant cost savings on the newer LDD, same functionality where we took out some costs as well as continued volume increases in the LAL. But I think you should see a regular cadence of gross margin expansion. It might vary a little in a quarter depending on the number of LDDs we sell as a percent. If you had a very strong LDD quarter, it might be a little lower than it would have been otherwise. But I think you'll see consistent cadence in margin improvements. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:37:59As I look at the company going way, way out, right, the LAL would be dominant, but we've still got a pretty big world to conquer on LDD sales and growing LAL sales. So the company could be an 80% plus gross margin company, and I think that we'll continue to advance through that year over year. But I would never want to hold back sales of LDDs. But at real maturity, I could see it at 80% plus. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:38:33Gotcha. Okay. That's helpful. And then I wanted to follow up on a comment, Ron, that you made in the prepared remarks around the centers that are figuring out business models or unique ways to work this into their workflow in a way that's efficient and what have you. So I guess the question here is, how much are you seeing that be replicated? And are you seeing other centers implement that? Is there something unique about those centers that enables them to implement those models, or is that something that you expect to ultimately be replicated and implemented across your centers? Thanks so much. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:39:21Yeah. I think that just to clarify, it's not necessarily a new phenomenon. We've had LDD-focused treatment centers, whether they're informal based on an individual practitioner or more formal. But we do see more interest in that space. I think it's analogous to, again, what happened previously, both with ambulatory surgery centers and with LASIK centers. And it's not surprising that this would occur as adjustability becomes a bigger part of the premium cataract space. And net, we think it's a positive in that it can give additional access to both doctors and patients. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:40:23Thank you so much. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:40:25Thank you. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:40:28Our last question comes from the line of Thomas Stephan with Stifel. Your line is open. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:40:35Great. Hey, guys. Thanks for the questions. I'll start with the pipeline. And I guess, Ron, just thinking specifically about LAL advancements, can you kind of elaborate on what this entails in terms of, I guess I'll call it the nature of the advancements? I know you mentioned early innings and upgrading technology in the field. I mean, should we think about this as sort of improvements and upgrades like ActiveShield, for example, or do we maybe think about new lenses on the horizon altogether, like LAL Plus as an example? Then I have a follow-up. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:41:16Yeah. I would say it's all of the above. If you look back at the advancements that we've done, some of them are to the optics, some of them are to other functionality of the lens, and some of them are functionality or usability characteristics of the ancillary products like the light delivery device or our injector tools. So it's really all of the above, and we try to respond to the requests of our customer base, who we are very close with, and collaborate with them to bring them those things that are going to be beneficial. Maybe not to a large number of patients, but to beneficial enough that it's a reason for them to continue to expand their offerings of the LAL or some derivative. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:42:21That's great color. Thanks, Ron. Appreciate that. And then, Shelley, my second question may be for you. Just on guidance, I think it may very roughly imply that LAL utilization remains in the high single-digit range, which is, I think, where you exited in the fourth quarter of 2024, although that was a bit of a deceleration from 3Q 2024 year-over-year growth. So I guess my question is, what gives you the confidence that utilization can at least hold steady in this high single-digit year-over-year % growth range? And then maybe what's your level of conviction that utilization actually could re-accelerate throughout 2025? Thanks. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:43:04I think the most important metric for us is the absolute number of LALs that are implanted, and I think that's the number one metric, right, and certainly, we think as an outgrowth of that, that number of LALs per LDD is something that will continue to grow, although it might be variable quarter to quarter, and if we think about going back in the past, when you're very small, it's just the law of larger and small numbers, right, and so as long as we continue to have steady growth consistent with our expectation of revenue, I think we're quite happy. Shelley ThunenCFO at RxSight00:43:49Super helpful. Thanks, Shelley. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:43:53That concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to our CEO, Ron Kurtz, for closing remarks. Oliver MoravcevicVP of Investor Relations at RxSight00:44:03Great. Well, thank you all for your interest in RxSight, and we look forward to updating you on our progress in the future. Goodbye. Ron KurtzCEO at RxSight00:44:12Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesRon KurtzCEOShelley ThunenCFOOliver MoravcevicVP of Investor RelationsAnalystsAnalystPowered by