Capital Clean Energy Carriers Q4 2024 Earnings Report

Capital Clean Energy Carriers EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.36
• Consensus EPS: $0.36
• Beat/Miss: Met Expectations
• One Year Ago EPS: N/A

Capital Clean Energy Carriers Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: N/A
• Expected Revenue: $109.83 million
• Beat/Miss: N/A
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

Capital Clean Energy Carriers Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q4 2024
• Date: 2/6/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Thursday, February 6, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 9:30AM ET

Capital Clean Energy Carriers (NASDAQ:CCEC), a shipping company, provides marine transportation services in Greece. The company's vessels provide a range of cargoes, including liquefied natural gas, containerized goods, and cargo under short-term voyage charters, and medium to long-term time charters. It owns vessels, including Neo-Panamax container vessels, Panamax container vessels, cape-size bulk carrier, and LNG carriers. In addition, the company produces and distributes oil and natural gas, including biofuels, motor oil, lubricants, petrol, crudes, liquefied natural gas, marine fuels, natural gas liquids, and petrochemicals. It serves as the general partner of the company. The company was formerly known as Capital Product Partners L.P. and changed its name to Capital Clean Energy Carriers Corp. in August 2024. Capital Clean Energy Carriers Corp. was incorporated in 2007 and is headquartered in Piraeus, Greece. Capital Clean Energy Carriers Corp. operates as a subsidiary of Capital Maritime & Trading Corp.

Capital Clean Energy Carriers Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Q4 Financial Results: Net income from continuing operations was $20.8 M and the company declared a $0.15 per share dividend, while realizing $72.2 M in one-off gains from the sale of three container vessels.
• Stronger Balance Sheet and Liquidity: Asset base increased by over $1 B year-on-year, net leverage fell below 50% at year-end, and an ATM program plus expanded analyst coverage (from 3 to 7) were launched to improve share liquidity.
• Spot Market Headwinds: LNG spot rates hit multi-year lows in Q4 due to vessel oversupply and reduced ton-mile demand, but the company is largely insulated by long-term charters and expects supply-side rationalization.
• Robust Long-Term Backlog: Total revenue backlog stands at $2.5 B (with $2.2 B from LNG assets), diversified across seven-year average charter durations and no counterparty exceeding 20% exposure.
• Significant Fleet Growth: Sixteen new eco-friendly vessels are scheduled for delivery by 2027—including a 50% expansion of the LNG fleet and 10 multi-gas carriers—positioning the company to benefit from tighter market fundamentals beyond 2026.

Presentation

[Operator]

Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Capital Clean Energy Carriers' Fourth Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. We have with us Mr. Gerasimos Kalogiratos, Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Brian Gallagher, Chief Executive Vice President, Investor Relations, and Mr. Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question-and-answer session, at which time, if you wish to ask a question, you will need to press star one on your telephone keypad and wait for your name to be announced. I must advise you that this conference is being recorded today.

[Operator]

The statements in today's conference call that are not historical facts, including our expectations regarding acquisition transactions and their expected effect on us, cash generation, equity returns, and future debt levels, our ability to pursue growth opportunities, our expectations or objectives regarding future distribution amounts or unit buyback amounts, capital reserve amounts, distribution coverage, future earnings, capital allocation, as well as our expectations regarding market fundamentals and the employment of our vessels, including redelivery dates and shelter rates, may be forward-looking statements as defined in Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended. These forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause the stated or forecasted results to be materially different from those anticipated.

[Operator]

Unless required by law, we expressly disclaim any obligation to update or revise any of these forward-looking statements, whether because of future events, new information, a change in our views or expectations to conform to actual results or otherwise. We make no prediction or statement about the performance of our common shares. I would now like to hand over the call to your speaker today, Mr. Brian Gallagher. Please go ahead, sir.

[Brian Gallagher, EVP of Investor Relations at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Thank you. Good morning or afternoon to wherever you are, and thanks for joining the Capital Clean Energy Carriers Q4 2024 earnings call. As a reminder, we'll be referring to the supporting slides available on our website as we go through today's presentation. So let's start with the highlights on slide three. After a very busy period for the company during 2024, the fourth quarter was more standard and routine. The company generated net income of $20.8 million from continuing operations. From this, a dividend of $0.15 per share has been declared. Of the five container vessels agreed to be sold, the company completed the sale of three of these within the quarter, one in January 2025, while the last one is expected to be delivered in early March to its new owners.

[Brian Gallagher, EVP of Investor Relations at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

As discussed on our last call, we remain focused on improving the liquidity in our share and have initiated an ATM program to help us address that issue. We continue to work hard to improve and build the company profile and are pleased that we now have increased research coverage to seven analysts. That's up from three this time last year, and we look forward to delivering further initiatives in our capital market engagement during the year. We know and appreciate that this will take time, but we are aware that this is necessary to provide the group with a trading currency in the future and further strategic optionality. The key event during the quarter was the challenging LNG spot market background, which not only was absent its usual winter freight rally but also saw rates hit multi-year lows driven by an oversupply of vessels and lower ton-mile trading patterns.

[Brian Gallagher, EVP of Investor Relations at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Capital Clean Energy Carriers is largely insulated from these short-term headwinds, but we believe there will be a silver lining to this market in terms of a rationalization of the supply side. Our new head of commercial, Nikos Tripodakis, will run through this in detail much later. With that, I'll hand it over to our Chief Executive, Gerasimos Kalogiratos, to run through the financials.

[Gerasimos Kalogiratos, CEO at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Thank you, Brian. And good morning or good afternoon, everybody. As you said, this was a more routine quarter for CCEC. Turning to the financial Slide 5, profit from continuing operations reached $20.8 million. We derived a further $72.2 million in one-off gains this quarter from completing the sale of three out of the five container vessels we agreed to sell last quarter. We will continue to be opportunistic about the sale of the three remaining container vessels as these are modern eco-vessels with long-term cash flow attached. We declared a dividend of $0.15 for the quarter. I think that is a good opportunity to reflect on what we have delivered since the company's listing on NASDAQ in 2007. This quarter is the 71st consecutive quarter that the company has paid a cash dividend.

[Gerasimos Kalogiratos, CEO at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

In total, the company has returned its current market cap, over $1 billion, back to shareholders in cash, dividends, and shares. Returning value to our shareholders is in our DNA, and we look forward for the company to add further to that track record going forward as our fleet under construction is delivered in 2026 and 2027. Now, the quarter showed operating income from continuing operations of $20.8 million, up from $1.1 million during the comparative quarter last year. Interest charges rose as the fleet increased in size to $36.7 million, compared to $25.8 million during the same quarter last year. At the same time, interest charges were lower by approximately $4 million compared to the previous quarter, Q3 2024, reflecting the softening of SOFR.

[Gerasimos Kalogiratos, CEO at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Now, turning to slide six, we see that our balance sheet continues to grow with the addition of new vessels, and our asset base as of year-end 2024 was over $1 billion higher than the same period last year. Also, our leverage ratio has improved quarter on quarter, reflecting improved cash generation on the back of the net cash profits generated from the sale of three out of the five container vessels we agreed to sell back in September. Importantly, our net leverage fell below 50% at year-end. We expect our capital base to consolidate now for a period as we have no delivery scheduled until early 2026. Turning now to the next slide, slide seven. On slide seven, you can see a revenue backlog of $2.5 billion, remaining highly diversified, with no counterparty having more than 20% share.

[Gerasimos Kalogiratos, CEO at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

$2.2 billion of this backlog is expected to come from our LNG assets. Our remaining chartered duration is at seven years, and we expect to add to this strength as we start again taking deliveries of our new builds in 2026 onwards and fixing long-term employment for these assets. Before moving now to slide nine and our LNG market slides, I would like to introduce our new Chief Commercial Officer, Nikos Tripodakis, who will run through these slides and be available to answer your questions at the end of the call. Nikos joins us from the LNG trading side at Hartree Partners, building on a decade embedded in various roles in the LNG sector. Welcome, Nikos, and over to you.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Thank you, Gerasimos, and good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for inviting me to speak on this call. I would like to start with slide nine in the presentation, and I would like to briefly talk about the current state of the LNG freight market, the reasons that led to this market, and our view of how the market will develop in the future. Despite the LNG demand reaching its seasonal peak in the fourth quarter and global gas prices reaching a multi-month high, the LNG freight market remained under pressure, dropping to all-time seasonal lows. This weakness is the product of a simultaneous increase in supply and reduction in ton-mile demand for LNG carriers lifting U.S. cargoes, a situation which ramped up throughout the year but reached its peak in Q4.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

On the supply side, delays of certain liquefaction projects left the vessels that were delivering against those projects exposed to the spot and shorter markets, thus adding significant pressure on charter rates for those periods. Specifically, throughout 2024, the LNG carrier fleet grew by 62 ships, whereas global LNG trade grew marginally by just around 1.7% due to limited project startups, mainly from the U.S. The delivery ramp-up of vessels throughout the year was significant, starting with 12 deliveries in the first quarter and ending with 23 deliveries by the fourth quarter. On the demand side, the weakness in the JKM-TTF spread driven by subdued demand in Asia and stronger-than-expected demand in Europe on the back of supply outages and colder weather led to an erosion in ton-mile demand and a further increase in the supply of vessels in the Atlantic Basin.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

The combination of the above led to a significant drop in short-term charter rates in Q4, as is evident in slide nine. What is also demonstrated in the same chart, however, is that despite the weakness in the short-term markets, rates for longer periods display greater resilience on the back of stronger fundamentals starting from the second half of the decade. Long-term charter rates still command a significant premium compared to short-term rates, with the latest fixture for a period of over 10 years for a modern two-stroke vessel in 2027 reported close to $90,000 per day. Long-term rates are supported by limited availability of new buildings, the expectation that demand for those new buildings will outpace supply, as well as high new building prices both for the ships on the water but also for any new orders.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Turning to slide 10, as it's indicated in the chart, the order book comprises of 317 vessels. Of those, only 18, including our ships, are charter-free, representing a very low ratio, just 6% of open new buildings to total order book. At the same time, as mentioned, new building prices remain almost at all-time highs, around $260 million for a new order, preventing a surge of speculative orders. A key part of our thesis is, however, what happens to the older technology vessels, which is covered in slide 11. The current weakness in the spot and short-term markets is expected to accelerate the commercial removal of older, smaller, and less efficient vessels, a process that increased in pace last year with a record high of eight older steam turbine vessels being sold for scrap.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Currently, around 200 vessels, which is approximately 32% of the current fleet, are older steam turbine vessels. Turning to slide 10 to expound on this point, it is clear from the chart on the left-hand side that the redelivery profile of those ships is ramping up, while the long-term charters under which most of these vessels operate are not expected to be renewed for a combination of commercial and environmental reasons. In 2025, more than half of the steam fleet, which is around 120 vessels, are still operating under long-term charters. However, this number is expected to drop to just 36 ships by 2030. Given the current age profile of the steam fleet and their upcoming fourth and fifth special surveys, a large portion of these vessels is expected to retire or possibly sold for alternative use.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

That covers the supply side on LNG shipping, and I would like now to turn to the demand side with slide 13. Even though LNG supply was flat year-on-year in 2024, an incremental of 200 million tons per annum of LNG liquefaction capacity that has taken FID and is currently under construction is expected to come online between 2025 and 2030, along with an additional approximately 150-170 million tons, which are awaiting regulatory and investment approvals. Approvals that are only expected to be accelerated under the new U.S. administration. As a result, the growth in global energy supply stemming from an increase in liquefaction capacity later this decade suggests that demand for LNG carriers is expected to outpace current supply over the coming years and lead to a tightening market from 2026 or 2027 onwards.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

In summary, when looking further ahead, the long-term prospects for modern energy carriers remain robust, especially for state-of-the-art, later-generation vessels such as those controlled by CCEC. The combination of removals of older technology ships and the increase in liquefaction capacity between 2025 and 2030 provides fertile ground for modern LNG carriers, and demand for those vessels is expected to exceed supply, leading to a tightening market and healthy charter rates during the second half of the decade. Our charter profile, looking at slide 14, remains robust, solid, with $2.2 billion of revenue backlog, all with blue-chip counterparties where we have long and strong relationships. Looking at our open positions and in terms of strategy, we will continue to have an opportunistic approach and look to diversify our open positions, both in terms of when we fix and for how long we fix for.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

While we continue to seek long-term employment for some of our open positions in 2026 and 2027, we also see value in the midterm space, let's say three to five years, as we aim to stagger and see value in spreading and diversifying our redelivery profile. That concludes the slides on the LNG market, and I will now pass the floor back to Geras. Thank you, Nikos. So slide 16 looks at our fleet today and the growth we have in place with 16 more vessels scheduled to join the company by 2027. Our LNG fleet on the water will be augmented by six new vessels, growing the core LNG fleet by 50% by the third quarter of 2027. 10 mid-sized gas carriers will be on the water by that final LNG carrier delivery, reflecting in full our pivot towards a gas transportation and solution company.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

For the moment, we still retain three containers, which have long-term employment in place for the next eight years, with options to extend by up to further six years beyond that. These vessels give us strategic optionality, which we will consider going forward. As Nikos outlined in his remarks, there are strong grounds to see the LNG market rebalancing sometime from 2026 onwards. The current short-term freight rate headwinds should, as he illustrated, generate a vessel supply response as older technology vessels exit the fleet. Importantly, the company will have a very young fleet delivering the lowest unit freight cost possible to our customers, with the lowest environmental footprint, both critical aspects for success given the commercial requirements and the emerging regulatory environment when it comes to carbon and methane emissions. So to conclude and before we take questions, please turn to the summary slide number 17.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

In short, Capital Clean Energy Carriers is expected to control the largest LNG two-stroke carrier fleet available to investors upon delivery, in addition to the other 10 multi-gas vessels. The company has considerable contract coverage of seven years already and strong visibility on cash flows, while we believe that we have an advantage over many of our peers in only being invested in the latest gas technology vessels, with almost all having dual fuel capabilities. Finally, we will continue our endeavors to raise the public profile of the company and its trading liquidity.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

As Brian pointed out at the beginning of the call, we have undertaken a number of initiatives that have started bearing fruit, including the increased analyst coverage and wider engagement with the investor community, and expect also the ATM to help incrementally in that direction.We appreciate, of course, that building our profile will take time, but we are pleased and proud of the progress we have made in just 12 months and look forward to making further gains on our objectives going forward. With that, I will hand it back to the operator for Q&A. Thank you for your attention.

[Operator]

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad, and a confirmation tonal will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the Star keys. And our first question comes from the line of Liam Burke with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed.

[Gerasimos Kalogiratos, CEO at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Yes, thank you. Hi, Geras. How are you?

[Gerasimos Kalogiratos, CEO at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Hi, Liam. I'm good. How are you?

[Liam Burke, Managing Director at B. Riley Securities]

Good, thank you. With the rates being, I mean, at the bottom, I mean, let's put it mildly, are there any assets available that you'd be interested in looking at, or are you happy with the six new builds that you have on order?

[Gerasimos Kalogiratos, CEO at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Interestingly enough, when you look at the fixtures that you see in this, as you say, quite challenging spot market, I'm not sure there is a single one that is really being concluded. I mean, for two-stroke vessels directly by owners. The overwhelming majority of these fixtures are relets, so effectively vessels that charterers have chartered for long-term charters, and because of the delay in certain projects, they don't have the volume, so they are redeploying them in the market. So what I'm trying to say with this is that we don't have yet owners, and possibly we won't see it suffering to the extent that you will see distressed assets in the market. That's at least for two-stroke vessels. I think TFDEs and potentially steam turbine vessels are another story, and at the same time, newbuilding prices have been quite steady.

[Gerasimos Kalogiratos, CEO at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

If anything, we have seen a data point which is not very different from what we have seen previously, so around the $255-$260 million mark. And we are hearing also of a number of projects that are out there and potentially will start a new round of ordering for some projects due for 2028 and 2029. So shipyards will not be inclined to lower their prices. So if there are assets out there that become increasingly interesting in terms of price, or if we see, again, new building prices come down, of course, we would be interested to look at it, but there is no indication of this just yet.

[Liam Burke, Managing Director at B. Riley Securities]

Great. Thank you. And on the six new builds, have you started discussions with potential shippers on longer-term charters or long-term charters, or do you anticipate having to operate in the spot market when it looks like between recycling and new production coming online they do just fine?

[Gerasimos Kalogiratos, CEO at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Let me pass this question on to Nikos, who's prepared to answer it.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Hi, and thank you for this question, and it's a reasonable question to ask. What we can say about this is that there have been multiple discussions and fixtures for medium to long-term charters over the last few months, and while the challenging spot and short-term charter market has resulted in weaker sentiment and arguably some price erosion, we don't see that happening in the long-term space. As mentioned previously, the latest charter for a 10-year plus is still in the $90,000 per day range, and we don't see that situation changing for 2026 and 2027 onwards. We are under no pressure to give in on pricing, and with new deliveries being 12 or so months away, we continue to engage with charterers, and hopefully, we will have more to report going forward.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

For us, it still remains very important to stagger our charter expirations and our redelivery profile, and potentially also time some of these redeliveries towards the end of the decade where we see the market potentially being very tight. So we're looking at everything, both midterm and long-term charters, and we want to diversify what we're trying to do, but we will hope to share more with you in the next few months.

[Liam Burke, Managing Director at B. Riley Securities]

Great. Thank you, Nikos. Thank you, Geras.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Thank you, Liam.

[Operator]

Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. And the next question comes from the line of Alexander Bidwell with Webber Research. Please proceed.

[Alexander Bidwell, Associate Analyst at Webber Research]

Good afternoon. Thanks for the time. Taking a quick look at the Liquid CO2 carriers, can you provide any update on the progress with commercial discussions for those assets?

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Sure. Here, I think we went over, if you want the more long-term fundamentals of that business in the previous quarter, but overall, as we have said in the past, these vessels are due for delivery in 2026, spread across the quarters. I think given the trajectory of the CCUS projects that will need shipping, which is mostly from 2028, 2029 onwards, and as we have said in the past, the idea is that these vessels being multi-gas carriers will be deployed in the short-term to medium-term market, let's say, in the LPG and ammonia business. Actually, we see quite a bit of interest because in the handy-sized LPG ammonia segment, which is where these ships belong, to 22,000 cubic segments, there is a very small order book.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

I mean, in addition to our ships, there's another four or five ships that are on order, and it tends to be quite an aged fleet profile. So I think you should expect that as these vessels come closer to delivery, we will deploy them in that business. We are also discussing some long-term business with some charterers. Some of them, they find quite interesting the flexibility of these assets, so the ability to do ammonia in the early years and then seamlessly go into the liquid CO2 business, and there are quite a few energy companies that are across this type of business, so the production of blue and green ammonia, as well as into CCUS projects. So I think over the next few months, but especially closer to deliveries, so towards the end of the year, we will have more news on employment.

[Alexander Bidwell, Associate Analyst at Webber Research]

All right. Thank you for the detail there. And just a quick follow-up, looking at the container vessels, can you give a general sense of the S&P market at the moment? What sort of appetite are you seeing for those three remaining assets?

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Container market remains quite robust, both in terms of asset values as well as in terms of earnings, and new building prices, which is an overall pattern, also remain quite high. So today, the replacement value of these assets will be closer to $150 million. Of course, they are impaired, so to say. There is a cap on their valuation because of the long-term charter rate. So this is more of a cash flow, if you want, exercise, given also that there is a number of two-year options after the end of the firm period, which is another eight-nine years, depending on the ship.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

So I think demand is quite robust. Movement of interest rates, though, probably is more correlated with the valuation of these vessels than actually the underlying container assets. We are quite opportunistic in the sense that if we see a good bid, we will look to take it. Otherwise, we are also happy to stay with this long-term cash flow underlying the gas business.

[Alexander Bidwell, Associate Analyst at Webber Research]

All right. Thank you for the additional color there. That's all from my side. I'll turn it back over. Thank you, guys.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Thank you, Alex.

[Operator]

Once again, ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad, and the next question comes from the line of Omar Nokta with Jefferies. Please proceed.

[Omar Nokta, Managing Director at Jefferies]

Thank you. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Thank you for the update. Hi, Gerasimos. Just wanted to ask maybe just a couple of questions, perhaps on the market, just to get a bit more kind of understanding because clearly, LNG spot rates, which you're not exposed, they've come off quite a bit, and it's been like that for perhaps maybe the past four or five months. We know there's oversupply with the delivery of the new buildings, ahead of project startups. Could you maybe just talk a little bit about what you're actually seeing in the spot market? Is it just simply too many vessels and not enough cargo to spread around, or is the spot market itself just not seeing any action?

[Gerasimos Kalogiratos, CEO at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Thank you, Omar. I think I'll let Nikos take the difficult questions for London.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Hi, Omar. Thank you. It's a very reasonable one in this market. The situation right now can be summarized by two main factors. One is an increase in supply. As you very accurately stated, there have been many projects that were supposed to deliver in 2024 and were delayed well into 2025 or even 2026, Golden Pass being one of them, with around 18 million tons of production, which equates to demand for around 30 ships. That's just one example. There are three or four more projects that were delayed for the same period. Also, as I mentioned during the presentation, the narrowing of the JKM-TTF spread led to all of those vessels that Geras referred to, being the relays, targeting Europe as the best value destination, which led to a further increase of supply of vessels in the Atlantic Basin.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

What is more, looking down the forward curve for JKM and TTF, that spread remains to be, or that arc remains to be shut, and vessels pointing to Europe. So that gives the charters and the subletters the confidence to look to charter the vessels for short-term periods, multi-month or one-year charters, and then be happy to play the spot market. Now, in terms of activity from the cargo side, there has been production, and there have been FOB discussions and volumes, but all those fixtures just happen at low rates because there's an oversupply of ships. Sorry, your question, the first part was, why is the market in the state which it is? This is a summary, but did you follow up with when do we expect this to improve, or how do we expect this to end?

[Omar Nokta, Managing Director at Jefferies]

Yeah. I guess that's more of a crystal ball question. Yeah. I mean, wouldn't hurt to maybe get a sense from that. It sounds like.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Timing.

[Omar Nokta, Managing Director at Jefferies]

Yep.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

The timing on the correction is not really a crystal ball. It's just it depends on many things, but the reasons that will drive the correction are very clear, and again, as mentioned in the presentation, they come down to two main factors. One is the fact that a third of the LNG carrier fleet right now, which are the steam ships, cannot survive in this environment. They are not simply even if you seek for alternative solutions, like, let's say, FSU projects, FSRU conversions, or even laying up. This is still a market in which the vessels will suffer for far too long, let's say, multi-month periods, and we simply have to see scrapping.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Now, the ramping up of scrapping and how quickly those vessels will be removed is a bit of a crystal ball, but our view is that at least 80 to 100 ships will be removed in the next three to four years. That's one. That's a supply-side reaction, right? Now, we have the demand-side reaction, which happens from 2026, 2027 onwards with the new projects coming online, which, well, we see by 2030, based on current FIDs and projects under construction, another 200 million tons will hit the water.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

That's demand for approximately 350 ships, and if we account into that projects that are close and have SPAs and are pending some regulatory approvals, which will be facilitated by the Trump administration, we could easily see another 170 million tons on top of those 200. So it's not a matter of if, but a matter of when the market will correct. And our view is that by mid-2027, we should see that inflection point. I hope that answers your question.

[Omar Nokta, Managing Director at Jefferies]

It does. Thank you. And then maybe just as a follow-up, I think Liam had asked this before, just in terms of the new buildings that you have, as those deliver, and if we're still in a soft market where you need to put them into spot trading, do you have the capability to do so in-house? Is there anything that you need to do in order to do that, or are you good to go from that?

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

We are 100% good to go if we needed to do that, but that is not our strategy, and we would not have to do that. What we are trying to do, and there are currently active discussions for which I cannot go into too much details, but what we're trying to do is, as mentioned before, diversify our redelivery profile into periods that we expect the market to be very tight. For example, let's say we have these new buildings in 2026. We look at anything from 15-year time charters to three or four-year time charters.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

If the latter takes place, then we take the vessels back in 2029 or 2030, where we see a significant supply deficit compared to the demand for LNG carriers. Whereas if the former is the case, then we are still looking at very healthy time charter rates, which are around $90,000+ per day. So there is very low probability we would enter the spot market with those ships. We won't have to, and we will announce more as the months progress. We have time.

[Omar Nokta, Managing Director at Jefferies]

Indeed. Okay. Yeah. Very good. Oh, thank you for that. That's a helpful color. I'll pass it over.

[Operator]

Thank you. Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad.

[Gerasimos Kalogiratos, CEO at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Operator, it looks like there are no additional questions. So I would like to thank everybody for joining today's call.

[Operator]

I'm sorry, Geras. We do have one more question.

[Gerasimos Kalogiratos, CEO at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Oh, great.

[Operator]

Climent Molins. Yeah. This is Climent Molins with Value Investor's Edge. Please proceed.

[Climent Molins, Head of Shipping Research at Value Investor’s Edge]

Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Hi, Clements.

[Climent Molins, Head of Shipping Research at Value Investor’s Edge]

Most has already been covered, but I wanted to ask a question on the modeling side. The amount of fixed debt declined a bit quarter by quarter. Was that attributable to the sale of the container ships? And if so, should we expect an additional decline in Q1?

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

The vessels that we sold, the 5,000 TEU vessels that we sold, they had no additional debt. So any decline in debt that you see is from scheduled debt amortization.

[Climent Molins, Head of Shipping Research at Value Investor’s Edge]

Makes sense. And secondly, is there any potential for upsized refinancings going forward should you need additional liquidity for upcoming opportunities?

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

So what we are looking to do, and we are quite advanced in that, is to have also the ability to take pre-delivery for financing for certain of our new builds. Of course, with $350 million in the kitty already, plus the expected proceeds from the sale of the fourth vessel sorry, from the fifth vessel, we are obviously in quite a good place in terms of our liquid position. But having this pre-delivery financing option could be an additional liquidity lever for, as you say, potentially new opportunities. And it could be quite significant, by the way.

[Climent Molins, Head of Shipping Research at Value Investor’s Edge]

Thanks for the color. Makes sense. That's all from me. Thank you for taking my questions.

[Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer at Capital Clean Energy Carriers]

Of course. Thank you.

Participants

Executives

• Gerasimos Kalogiratos, CEO
• Brian Gallagher, EVP of Investor Relations
• Nikos Tripodakis, Chief Commercial Officer

Analysts

• Omar Nokta, Managing Director at Jefferies
• Climent Molins, Head of Shipping Research at Value Investor’s Edge
• Alexander Bidwell, Associate Analyst at Webber Research
• Liam Burke, Managing Director at B. Riley Securities