Verrica Pharmaceuticals Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Verica executed a turnaround plan, cutting operating expenses by ~50% while delivering 12.3% sequential growth in Wycanth dispense applicators in Q4 FY24.
  • Launched a new single-applicator configuration and expanded pharmacy benefit channels, helping normalize distributor inventory and reduce acquisition costs for physicians.
  • Strengthened its balance sheet by raising $42 million in a November equity offering, securing a going-concern waiver, and ending Q4 with $46.3 million in cash.
  • Tori will fund Verica’s share of a global Phase III trial for common warts, triggering an $8 million milestone and preserving Verica’s commercial rights outside Japan.
  • BP315 for basal cell carcinoma achieved a 97% objective response rate and 51% complete histologic clearance in Phase II Part II, with an end-of-Phase II meeting planned for mid-2025 ahead of Phase III.
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Verrica Pharmaceuticals Q4 2024
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Operator

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Verrica Pharmaceuticals Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2024 Corporate Update Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to your host, John Fraunces of LifeSci Advisors. You may begin your conference.

John Fraunces
Director of Corporate Communications at LifeSci Advisors

Thank you, Operator. Hello, everyone, and welcome to Verrica Pharmaceuticals Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2024 Corporate Update Conference Call. With me on the line this evening are Jayson Rieger, President and Chief Executive Officer of Verrica Pharmaceuticals; John Kirby, Interim Chief Financial Officer; David Zawitz, Chief Operating Officer; Chris Hayes, Verrica's Chief Legal Officer; and Aaron Hullett, Chief of Commercial. As a reminder, during today's call, management will make forward-looking statements. These statements may include expectations related to the commercialization of YCANTH, the treatment of molluscum contagiosum in the United States, regulatory developments, the development of Verrica's product candidates, the company's expected cash runway and its ability to obtain funding for future operations, and Verrica's overall business strategy and planned operations. These forward-looking statements are based on the company's current expectations and involve inherent risks and uncertainties.

John Fraunces
Director of Corporate Communications at LifeSci Advisors

Based on those risks and uncertainties, Verrica's actual results and the timing of events could differ materially from those anticipated in such forward-looking statements. Please see Verrica's SEC filings for important risk factors. Verrica cautions you not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements and undertakes no duty or obligation to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information, future events, or changes in expectations. In addition, during today's call, management will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP financial measures are in addition to, and not a substitute for, or superior to, measures of financial performance prepared in accordance with GAAP. There are a number of limitations related to the use of these non-GAAP financial measures versus their closest GAAP equivalents.

John Fraunces
Director of Corporate Communications at LifeSci Advisors

The earnings release that the company issued today includes GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliations for these measures and is also available on the Investor Relations section of Verrica's website. I'll now turn the call over to Verrica's President and CEO, Jayson Rieger.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Thank you, John. Good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter and full year 2024 corporate update call. As most of you are aware, in the fourth quarter of 2024, we began a transition period at Verrica, including a significant change to our commercial organization, a leadership transition, and a significant capital raise in November. We are executing on our turnaround plan with a more focused commercialization strategy for YCANTH while substantially reducing costs across the organization. In a few moments, I'll describe in more detail the progress we have made and continue to make on this plan and why I believe we are now on a trajectory towards sustainability as a company with a clear focus on maximizing YCANTH utilization for the treatment of molluscum contagiosum and advancing our late-stage pipeline programs.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

We continue to support our development partner, Torii Pharmaceutical, in their effort to obtain approval from Japanese regulators for TO-208, referred to as YCANTH in the United States, and we were happy to see their filing of a new drug application in Japan for TO-208 during the fourth quarter of 2024. We are also excited to continue to work with Lytix Biopharma in advancing our basal cell carcinoma asset, VP-315. At our update at the end of Q3 last fall, we indicated a belief that it could be into the first quarter of this year before we saw business stabilization and the signs of working through channel inventory. I am pleased to report that we have already seen new purchases from our distributors in the fourth quarter to replace depleted inventory levels ahead of what we had previously anticipated.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

We look forward to updating you with more details regarding Q1 2025 dispense units in the near future. We are making significant progress in advancing our clinical stage pipeline, which includes pursuing YCANTH for common warts as an additional indication, as well as our novel oncolytic peptide, VP-315, for the treatment of basal cell carcinoma. Each of these programs represent potential key value drivers for our company and, in my view, remain underappreciated assets given each program's potential to become first-in-class treatments in two large dermatological conditions with significant unmet medical need. We are in a unique development position where we believe we will be able to advance our common wart program through phase III in collaboration with Torii and also achieve key data and regulatory feedback for our basal cell program with minimal additional cash outlay for Verrica.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

We also made significant progress with respect to our financial position, raising approximately $42 million in an equity follow-on offering in November and subsequent to the end of the quarter, obtaining a waiver of going concern covenant for the quarter and year-ended December 31, 2024, and the first quarter of 2025 from our lending partner, OrbiMed. I will now provide an update on our commercial activities for YCANTH and related results from the quarter. In November, we announced a new commercialization strategy focused on driving demand for YCANTH in territories with high prevalence of molluscum and established strong insurance coverage for YCANTH. This focus was also intended to make Verrica become a leaner and more efficient company in the process. I am pleased to say that over the last several months, that is exactly what has happened.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

As announced in our business update in December, we have reduced our operating expense burn rate by approximately 50%, while not only maintaining our prior sales levels but also achieving positive growth in dispense applicator units in the fourth quarter compared to the prior quarter. Our sales representatives have substantially increased their productivity, measured as an average of sales per selling day, and we are now seeing the results of their efforts. Our fourth quarter operating results do reflect the beginning of this success, and we expect to see further reflection of this strategy in the results for the first quarter of 2025 and beyond. In the fourth quarter, we reported YCANTH dispense applicator units of 8,654 versus the prior quarter units of 7,706, which represents sequential quarterly growth of 12.3%.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

When compared to the second quarter of 2024 of 5,975 units, the YCANTH applicator unit growth increased by 44.8%. Another important dimension of our commercial realignment was to make it easier for physicians to order and acquire YCANTH on a buy-and-bill basis. We therefore introduced a new single applicator configuration for YCANTH, or the OneCount, which became commercially available this quarter. We believe the OneCount will reduce acquisition costs for physician practices in certain channels and potentially expand distribution and patient access to YCANTH. Furthermore, we have made great strides in increasing access to the pharmacy benefit route by adding local specialty pharmacies to our strong relationship with Nufactor, our nationwide specialty pharmacy.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

With respect to YCANTH inventory, we believe we have now fully reserved for distributor inventory reasonably expected to be returned due to lower-than-anticipated pull-through and observed a significant reduction in distributor inventory levels from our active distributors exiting the fourth quarter. Based on our latest data, we believe that inventory has now reached a stable, normalized level where demand for YCANTH applicator units will translate into new demand-driven revenue regularly going into or going forward into 2025. I'd now like to discuss our plans to develop YCANTH for the treatment of common warts. Recall that earlier last year, we amended our licensing agreement with our development and commercialization partner, Torii Pharmaceutical, which enabled us to equally split the cost of a new planned global phase III clinical program in common warts.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Torii previously agreed to fund Verrica's portion of the cost as an offset to Torii's future payment obligations to Verrica for meeting regulatory milestones and royalties for the sales of YCANTH for molluscum contagiosum and common warts in Japan. As we noted in December, Torii filed a new drug application in Japan, seeking approval of YCANTH, called TO-208 in Japan, for the treatment of molluscum, and we look forward to helping Torii reach an estimated 1.6 million molluscum patients in Japan after they obtain regulatory approval. Furthermore, Torii will make a milestone payment of $8 million to Verrica upon initiation of a phase III clinical trial, with initiation of the global program potentially starting as early as mid-2025. Considering the fact that there are approximately 22 million patients in the U.S.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Alone with common warts and no FDA-approved therapies, this makes common warts the single largest unmet need in all of dermatology. Under our amended funding structure with Torii, the capital required from Verrica to fund this large phase III program is expected to have almost no impact on our cash position, which, in my view, is fairly remarkable considering that this is a global registrational trial where we will still retain 100% of commercial rights to YCANTH in the U.S. and elsewhere around the world other than Japan. I'd now like to focus on the recent progress we have made in advancing our late-stage clinical oncology asset, VP-315. In October 2024, we presented two posters at the 2024 Fall Clinical Dermatology Conference featuring positive preliminary top-line results of VP-315 for the treatment of basal cell carcinoma.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

The posters included safety and histologic clearance data from 82 patients with up to two target basal cell carcinoma tumors in part two of the phase II study. As a reminder, part two of the phase II study was designed to explore dosing regimens to help us identify the recommended regimen for a phase III study program, as we identified 8 milligrams as the optimal dose in part one of the study. Preliminary top-line results showed that approximately 51% of tumors treated with VP-315 achieved complete histological clearance, while those patients with a residual tumor achieved, on average, approximately 71% reduction in tumor size. VP-315 was well tolerated. No treatment-related serious events were reported in the study, and most treatment-related adverse events were mild to moderate.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Most recently, we presented the results from a post-hoc analysis of the data from part two of the study at the 2025 Winter Clinical Dermatology Conference, which demonstrates that treatment with VP-315 led to a calculated objective response rate, or ORR, of 97%, which is defined as the percentage of study subjects who do not demonstrate disease progression and who experience at least 30% reduction in tumor size along with partial or complete response following treatment. This is quite a compelling observation, as it suggests that nearly every subject of the study obtained benefit from VP-315 treatment. We still expect to report genomic and immune response data from this trial in the coming months and to receive minutes from an end-of-phase II meeting in the first half of 2025, which will be critical for gaining alignment for the advancement of the program into phase III trials.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

We are highly encouraged by these positive preliminary top-line results, which we believe demonstrate the potential for VP-315 to change treatment paradigm for patients with basal cell carcinoma, the most common form of skin cancer. Over the last several months, I've had the opportunity to speak with many investors about Verrica, and without a question, I believe our common warts program and basal cell carcinoma programs are two significantly underappreciated assets. To that end, we will continue to provide updates on the progress of these pipeline programs while the majority of the organization remains laser-focused on the YCANTH for molluscum commercial efforts. I'll now turn the call over to our Interim Chief Financial Officer, John Kirby, to discuss our recent financing activities and to review our fourth quarter and full year 2024 financials.

John Kirby
John Kirby
Interim CFO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Thanks, Jayson. I'd like to start by covering our recent financing activities, which have enabled us to strengthen our balance sheet. In November, we raised $42 million in a public offering of common stock, pre-funded warrants, and accompanying Series A and B warrants. As you will recall, in July 2023, Verrica entered into a debt financing with OrbiMed, and upon closing of the agreement, we borrowed $50 million from the facility. In February of this year, we negotiated with OrbiMed a waiver of certain covenants under our credit agreement, including the requirement that there be no going concern qualification with respect to the financial statements for the period ended December 31, 2024, and March 31, 2025. Turning to the financial results, for the fourth quarter and full year of 2024, we reported total revenues of $0.3 million, which was substantially all YCANTH revenue.

John Kirby
John Kirby
Interim CFO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Net YCANTH revenue reflects shipments to our distributor partners, offset by standard gross to net adjustments, including actual or anticipated product returns, off-invoice discounts and distribution fees, and expenses. For the full year 2024, we reported total revenue of $7.6 million versus $5.1 million in the prior year. Total revenue for 2024 included net product revenue of $6.6 million versus net product revenue of $4.7 million in the prior year. As a reminder, Ycanth became available for commercial sale and shipment to patients in August of 2023, and so we did not recognize any product revenue prior to that point. Collaboration revenues of $29,000 in the fourth quarter of 2024 related to our supply of applicators to Torii in connection with their development and commercialization activities. For the full year 2024, collaboration revenue was $1 million, compared to $500,000 for the year-end of December 31, 2023.

John Kirby
John Kirby
Interim CFO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Similarly, to the fourth quarter, collaboration revenue for the full year 2024 and 2023 was related to supplies and development activity provided to Torii as needed support to the clinical supply agreement. Gross product margins for the full year 2024 were 72%. Cost of product revenue of $1.9 million included $0.9 million of obsolete inventory costs. Research and development expenses of $1.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2024 decreased versus the fourth quarter of 2023 by $4.2 million, primarily driven by a $2.1 million decrease of clinical trial costs related to VP-315, as well as costs related to increased headcount of $1.2 million and a decrease in regulatory costs of $0.7 million. For the full year 2024, research and development expenses were $11.8 million, compared to $20.3 million for the year-ended December 31, 2023.

John Kirby
John Kirby
Interim CFO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

The decrease of $8.5 million was primarily attributable to reductions of costs related to YCANTH pre-approval activity of $3.8 million and decreased clinical costs for VP-315 of $3.1 million. Selling, general and administrative expenses of $10 million in the fourth quarter of 2024 decreased versus the fourth quarter of 2023 by $6.8 million, reflecting our commercial realignment activity and realization of cost savings. For the full year 2024, selling, general and administrative expenses were $58.8 million, compared to $47.3 million for the year ended December 31, 2023. The increase of $11.5 million was primarily a result of higher expenses related to commercial activities for YCANTH for the treatment of molluscum, including increased compensation, recruiting fees, benefits, and travel due to ramp-up of sales force of $8.5 million, as well as increased commercial-related costs of $5.1 million.

John Kirby
John Kirby
Interim CFO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

GAAP net loss was $16.2 million, or $0.24 per share for the fourth quarter of 2024, compared to a GAAP net loss of $24.6 million, or $0.53 per share for the fourth quarter of 2023. GAAP net loss was $76.8 million, or $1.48 per share for the full year 2024, compared to a GAAP net loss of $67 million, or $1.48 per share for the prior year. On a non-GAAP basis, which excludes stock-based compensation, non-cash interest expense, and change in fair value of embedded derivatives for the full year 2024, net loss was $64.6 million, or $1.25 per share, compared to a net loss of $51.8 million, or $1.14 per share in the full year 2023. Finally, as of December 31, 2024, Verrica had aggregate cash and cash equivalents of $46.3 million.

John Kirby
John Kirby
Interim CFO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Under GAAP, the cash and cash equivalents as of December 31, 2024, would not be sufficient to fund operations for the one-year period following the release of our financial statements. However, should Verrica receive the $8 million milestone payment from Torii triggered by the initiation of the phase III clinical trial in Japan for common warts, or receive a portion of the $25 million in proceeds from the exercise of Series A warrants issued as part of our November 2024 equity financing, which expire in November of 2025, we could have sufficient cash to fund our operations for such a period. Nonetheless, we will continue to prudently use our cash and explore opportunities to further bolster the strength of our balance sheet.

John Kirby
John Kirby
Interim CFO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Before turning the call back over to Jayson, I'd like to provide some additional details which relate to partitioning of our debt into current and long-term liabilities and the increase in valuation of embedded derivatives related to our OrbiMed agreement. Verrica did not meet thresholds specified in the OrbiMed debt agreement as of December 31, 2024, thus triggering the initiation of principal payments beginning in 2025. As principal payments have begun in 2025, Verrica was required to reclassify the debt balance previously classified as all long-term debt to have both a current and long-term component on the balance sheet. Finally, I'd like to address embedded derivatives in the structure of the OrbiMed debt facility and its impact of their valuation on our financials.

John Kirby
John Kirby
Interim CFO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Since inception of this debt, the repayment of the debt prior to the balloon payment was deemed to not be probable, and therefore, the derivatives were valued at zero. However, since we are now required to make monthly principal repayments, the embedded derivatives, which include the exit fee and repayment fee, were deemed to have value. For the fourth quarter, the change in fair value of the embedded derivatives resulted in a non-cash expense of $2.6 million in our statement of operations. I'll now turn the call back to Jayson for closing remarks.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Thanks, John. Although I arrived at Verrica just a few months ago, I can tell you that we have made an extraordinary amount of progress over a very short period of time.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

We are faithfully executing on our new strategic initiatives across every area of our company, and I believe we are now on a pathway towards strong and sustainable growth for Verrica and our development programs. We have cut non-essential spending as we execute on our strategy. Core to our commercial strategy is an emphasis on fostering an environment that will lead to more solid, long-term relationships with the physicians and the patients that we serve. As I mentioned earlier, we are also excited about the outstanding progress we are making in our clinical stage pipeline. As these programs continue to advance, we believe investors will see the massive potential of these programs, each of which could become the new standard of care in their respective indications.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

In summary, the Verrica team has executed with a true sense of purpose and urgency in the few short months since I joined in November. As a commercial stage company with a robust pipeline, we are excited about the future of Verrica. We are seeing the fruits of the efforts over the last few months take hold, as reflected by increased ease of access to YCANTH by HCPs, increased dispensed units, reduction in channel inventory, and advancement of our pipeline programs, all at a pace ahead of our initial thoughts late last year.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

In Verrica, we not only have a commercial product for the treatment of molluscum that is already back on a positive growth trajectory, but we also are uniquely positioned to address the largest and most underserved population in all of dermatology in common warts, as well as perhaps change the paradigm in which HCPs treat basal cell carcinoma through VP-315. I would like to thank all of my Verrica teammates, both in the field and in our corporate organization. Going through a turnaround is difficult and requires substantial additional efforts to properly execute, and the way that I am seeing our team respond to tough situations has strengthened my resolve that we can be successful and achieve positive outcomes for our physician customers and their patients.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

We believe we will emerge from this transition as a much stronger and capable team when working in close alignment to ensure that Verrica achieves its potential and becomes one of the most innovative, high-growth companies in dermatology drug development. With that, we would be now happy to take your questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue at any time by pressing star two. Once again, that is star one to ask a question. We will move first to Stacy Ku with TD Cowen.

Stacy Ku
Stacy Ku
Analyst at TD Cowen

Hey, thanks so much for taking our questions, and congratulations on the progress. Maybe a first question around maybe that patient demand. You talked about the applicators that are dispensed, but are you getting a sense around the number of patients roughly that are being treated with YCANTH, maybe from average dosing? Maybe talk about the feedback that you're getting from clinicians about whether or not it's now getting a little bit easier to access YCANTH, whether they're able to kind of get that infrastructure that you're trying to improve. That's the first question. Obviously, the second question is looking to 2025. Can you comment on what you're seeing early in the year in terms of YCANTH adoption now that we're in March? I understand that you're trying to stay high level, but how's the new single applicator doing? How's broadening into pediatricians? Any type of maybe high-level commentary about early 2025 would be appreciated if you're trying to kind of change the strategy.

Stacy Ku
Stacy Ku
Analyst at TD Cowen

Maybe the last comment is going to be around your expectations on sales for 2025. Consensus is around $15 million, so maybe discuss your thoughts on where sell-side is versus some of the sales force investment and potential R&D investment as it relates to your guidance to be cash positive monthly operating results by year-end. Thank you so much.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Thank you, Stacy. This is Jayson. I appreciate all those questions. I'll try and tackle them in order. If I leave something out, please feel free to follow up. In general, we're seeing very good adoption and interest in the use of YCANTH for the treatment of molluscum, both across the pediatrician market but also our core dermatology market as well. The patients are seeking the dermatologists and the pediatricians and are getting treated.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Obviously, we published our clinical results, and the efficacy and safety of YCANTH has been disclosed and has been well accepted by the medical professionals. We are seeing the continued use of the product. Depending on the pediatrician or the dermatologist, we will see them using, obviously, several applicators or sometimes one, depending on the need of that patient. We still encourage treatment to clearance, as we did in our clinical study and as the FDA helped us in designing that program. The mixture of those treating with YCANTH continues to be a blend of all healthcare providers as we continue to roll out the program. In terms of 2025, I think we are continuing to see good momentum that we saw going into the end of last year. As we discussed in the past, we expected this to be a turnaround and would take into the first quarter to realize.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

We're starting to see that traction even ahead of our original schedule. We're still being cautiously optimistic but remain optimistic and confident we'll continue to see growth in the business. We're wrapping up the quarter, and we'll be disclosing updates on that, obviously, in the next few months as the quarter comes to a close. In terms of guidance and consensus, at this point, we're going to just leave guidance where the analysts have left it so far. As we gain momentum in the year and have better clarity on that, we may have further conversations. At this point, our policy is not to provide revenue guidance.

Stacy Ku
Stacy Ku
Analyst at TD Cowen

Okay. Incredibly helpful. Thank you.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Thank you, Stacy.

Operator

We'll go next to Gregory Renza with RBC Capital Markets.

Gregory Renza
Gregory Renza
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Great. Hey, good afternoon, Jayson and team. Congrats on the progress schedule. Thanks for taking my question.

Gregory Renza
Gregory Renza
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Jayson, maybe just building on your commentary as you're focusing the field force and your efforts and as you've really geared towards that demand generation. I'm just curious if you could comment on maybe some of those seasonal tailwinds or even sort of the periodic headwinds that can occur throughout a year as certainly we enter the warmer months, the spring and the summer. Do you have any views on what you're hearing as far as potential lifts or momentum that you could get as it converges with the demand generation you're working on? Thanks so much.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

No problem. I would say that we've been establishing this business to be poised for both changes in seasonality if they are to occur. Often, there is commentary that as the weather warms up and kids are more active outside, that could continue to support the growth.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

We're building our sales force and our team to be prepared for both the seasonality should it occur going into the second quarter and third quarter beyond this year as the weather warms up. Fortunately, it's beautiful weather out today. I think spring is rapidly approaching, and we'll see that. Obviously, there was some rough winter weather this year, and we've been very, very optimistic by what we've seen so far, given the weather, the time of year, the deductible season, etc. We remain cautiously optimistic about what this quarter and the upcoming quarters will look like.

Gregory Renza
Gregory Renza
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

That's helpful. Maybe just a longer-term question. Maybe just remind us of how you're framing up the barriers to generic entry, the ultimate IP protection that you see with respect to YCANTH.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

We actually have a very robust IP portfolio that takes us well into the future. In terms of generics, obviously, that's a long way off. Historically, the compounders have been the predominant concern, and we're working through both any challenges from them, but also just going to where the market is. We're finding good adoption to our product. They have historically removed the 503B compounders from the market, predominantly from Canada. That settlement was announced last year, and we're moving forward with our program and finding good adoption.

Gregory Renza
Gregory Renza
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Thanks again. I'll hop back in the queue.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Thanks, Greg.

Operator

We'll go next to Serge Belanger with Needham & Company.

Operator

This is John on for Serge today. Thanks for taking our questions. First on YCANTH, you've previously spoken on looking to expand usage beyond dermatologists into the pediatric setting. Just wanted to gauge what sort of impact you've had on this front thus far and what you aim to achieve in terms of distribution between pediatrics and dermatologists in the future.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

To that front, I would say that we are focusing on where the patients are going. We've seen a growth in the pediatric market. The product did start in the derms, and I would say the derms have been a customer base that's both been loyal to us, and we continue to both focus on and support. We have found, in some cases, our pediatric derms, other derms, have worked with us to expand access to their pediatric colleagues in the same community. At this moment, I would say the majority of our customers are still dermatologists who see the patients, but we're seeing a very large growing percentage of the pediatricians treating with YCANTH.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

I would expect over time that mix is probably going to wobble back and forth between 60-40, 40-60, depending on how this product rolls out. We're rapidly approaching sort of that equilibrium now.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Okay. That's great. Thank you. Real quick on VP-315, obviously, we'll see some additional data and FDA minutes in the first half here. Considering your new cost structure, I was just curious what your plans are in terms of timing to move this program into phase threes.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Yeah. As we indicated before, we're very fortunate that the majority of the expense for that program was spent in the prior year, and the remaining data that's being collected and the regulatory interactions are de minimis in cost. Once we have that data in hand and that full package, we'll evaluate the program.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

It'll also help us determine what the cost of that development program might look like, and we can then explore the best way to advance the program with all options available to us. The company does currently own the full rights to the program, so we have lots of opportunity for developing and advancing it. We'll make a disclosure on what we may do to advance it once we have definitive FDA feedback and can confirm on what a development plan looks like.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Great. Thank you.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Yep.

Operator

We'll go next to Kemp Dolliver with Brookline Capital Markets.

Kemp Dolliver
Director of Research and Senior Analyst at Brookline Capital Markets

Great. Thanks. You're seeing a sequential uptick in demand for applicators and continuing to make some progress. What do you think you need to do to achieve what I think you've described as a hockey stick improvement in demand at some point?

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Sure. I think growth in any business requires two things: acquisition of new customers as well as continued use, utilization, and growth of existing customers. Fortunately, we're seeing both in this business as we've done the turnaround and are moving forward. Our sales reps are very, very active in the field in dealing with customer needs. Our reimbursement teams are there to help. We have an expanded access through telesales to cover white space and additional support. Ultimately, it's going to require advancing into larger markets. We have historically worked with and are engaging with some of the larger practices, both that exist in the pediatric and the dermatology community, as well as expanding with the independent pharmacies and our pharma distribution partner, Nufactor. I think those are ways we can provide product in a scalable way to customers and start seeing extra reach.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

I think that's one of those are some of the key areas we'll see expansion and growth in the market.

Kemp Dolliver
Director of Research and Senior Analyst at Brookline Capital Markets

Thank you.

Operator

It appears we have no further questions at this time. I will turn the conference back to Mr. Rieger for any additional or closing comments.

Jayson Rieger
Jayson Rieger
President and CEO at Verrica Pharmaceuticals

Thank you, Operator. I'd like to thank you all for joining this evening, and we look forward to providing updates on our progress throughout 2025. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that will conclude today's call. We thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at this time.

Executives
    • Jayson Rieger
      Jayson Rieger
      President and CEO
    • John Kirby
      John Kirby
      Interim CFO
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