NASDAQ:NMIH NMI Q2 2025 Earnings Report $37.56 0.00 (0.00%) Closing price 05/15/2026 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$37.57 +0.01 (+0.03%) As of 05/15/2026 04:10 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast NMI EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.22Consensus EPS $1.16Beat/MissBeat by +$0.06One Year Ago EPS$1.20NMI Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$149.07 millionExpected Revenue$173.39 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$24.33 millionYoY Revenue Growth+7.20%NMI Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2025Date7/29/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, July 29, 2025Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsNMI's Q2 2026 earnings is estimated for Tuesday, August 4, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled on Tuesday, July 28, 2026 at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by NMI Q2 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 29, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: National MI delivered record second quarter revenue of $173.8 million, adjusted net income of $96.5 million, and a 16.3% adjusted return on equity. Positive Sentiment: New insurance in force (NIW) volume reached $12.5 billion and total primary insurance in force hit a record $214.7 billion, reflecting ongoing portfolio growth. Positive Sentiment: The company’s expense ratio fell to a record low 19.8%, illustrating strong operating leverage and disciplined cost management. Positive Sentiment: High portfolio quality continued, with the default rate declining to 1.0% and 12-month persistency holding above 84%, underscoring robust credit performance. Positive Sentiment: Share repurchases totaled $23.2 million in the quarter and $294 million year-to-date, with $281 million of buyback capacity remaining under the current program. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallNMI Q2 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Today, and welcome to the NMI Holdings, Inc second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Swenson of management. Please go ahead. John SwensonVP of Investor Relations and Treasury at NMI Holdings, Inc00:00:37Thank you. Good afternoon and welcome to the 2025 second quarter conference call for National MI I'm John Swenson, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasury. Joining us on the call today are Brad Shuster, Executive Chairman, Adam Pollitzer, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Aurora Swithenbank, our Chief Financial Officer. Financial results for the quarter were released after the close today. The press release may be accessed on NMI's website, located at nationalmi.com, under the Investors tab. During the course of this call, we may make comments about our expectations for the future. Actual results could differ materially from those contained in these forward-looking statements. Additional information about the factors that could cause actual results or trends to differ materially from those discussed on the call can be found on our website or through our regulatory filings with the SEC. John SwensonVP of Investor Relations and Treasury at NMI Holdings, Inc00:01:32If and to the extent the company makes forward-looking statements, we do not undertake any obligation to update those statements in the future in light of subsequent developments. Further, no one should rely on the fact that the guidance of such statements is current at any time other than the time of this call. Also note that on this call, we may refer to certain non-GAAP measures. In today's press release and on our website, we provided a reconciliation of these measures to the most comparable measures under GAAP. Now I'll turn the call over to Brad. Brad ShusterExecutive Chairman at NMI Holdings, Inc00:02:03Thank you, John, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to report that in the second quarter, National MI again delivered standout operating performance, continued growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results. Our lenders and their borrowers continued to turn to us for critical down payment support, and in the second quarter, we generated $12.5 billion of NIW volume, ending the period with a record $214.7 billion of high-quality, high-performing primary insurance in force. In Washington, our conversations remain active and constructive, and there continues to be broad recognition in D.C. about the value that the private mortgage insurance industry provides, offering borrowers efficient down payment support and access to mortgage credit, while also placing private capital in front of the taxpayer to absorb risk and loss in a downturn. Brad ShusterExecutive Chairman at NMI Holdings, Inc00:03:13Before turning it to Adam and getting into the details of the quarter, I also want to share how proud I am that in June, National MI was again recognized as a Great Place to work and earned an added decade of great distinction for garnering our honor for the 10th consecutive year. Great Place to Work is a global authority on workplace culture, employee experience, and leadership, and partners with Fortune Magazine to produce the annual Fortune 100 Best Companies to Work For list. We firmly believe that the quality of our team and the culture that we have established are key competitive advantages, and it is gratifying to again be recognized for these strengths. With that, let me turn it over to Adam. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:04:08Thank you, Brad, and good afternoon, everyone. National MI continued to outperform in the second quarter, delivering significant new business production, consistent growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results. We generated $12.5 billion of new insurance written volume and ended the period with a record $214.7 billion of high-quality, high-performing primary insurance in force. Total revenue in the second quarter was a record $173.8 million, and we delivered adjusted net income of $96.5 million, or $1.22 per diluted share, and a 16.3% adjusted return on equity. Overall, we had a terrific quarter and are confident as we look ahead. The macro environment has remained resilient in the face of elevated interest rates and increased headline volatility. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:05:04Our lender customers and their borrowers continue to rely on us in size for critical down payment support, and we see an attractive and sustained new business opportunity fueled by long-term secular trends. We have an exceptionally high-quality insured portfolio covered by a comprehensive set of risk transfer solutions, and our credit performance continues to stand ahead. Our persistency remains well above historical trend, and when paired with our strong NIW production, has helped to drive consistent growth and embedded value gains in our insured book. We continue to manage our expenses and capital position with discipline and efficiency, building a robust balance sheet that's supported by the significant earnings power of our platform. Notwithstanding these strong positives, however, macro risks do remain, and we've maintained a proactive stance with respect to our pricing, risk selection, and reinsurance decisioning. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:06:06It's an approach that has served us well and continues to be the prudent and appropriate course. More broadly, we remain encouraged by the continued discipline that we see across the private mortgage insurance market, and we applaud the permanent renewal of the mortgage insurance premium tax deduction in the One Big Beautiful Bill, which is expected to deliver meaningful tax relief to deserving middle-class homeowners. Overall, we had a terrific quarter, delivering strong operating performance, continued growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results. We're in the market every day with a clear mandate and purpose, offering a low-cost, high-value solution that makes homeownership more affordable and achievable for millions of Americans in communities across the country, with coverage that works to insulate the GSEs and taxpayers from risk and loss in a downturn. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:07:02Looking ahead, we're well positioned to continue to serve our customers and their borrowers, invest in our employees and their success, drive growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and deliver through the cycle growth, returns, and value for our shareholders. With that, I'll turn it over to Aurora. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:07:22Thank you, Adam. We again delivered standout financial results in the second quarter. Total revenue was a record $173.8 million. Adjusted net income was $96.5 million, or $1.22 per diluted share, and adjusted return on equity was 16.3%. We generated $12.5 billion of NIW, and our primary insurance in force grew to $214.7 billion, up 2% from the end of the first quarter and 5% compared to the second quarter of 2024. 12-month persistency was 84.1% in the second quarter compared to 84.3% in the first quarter. Net premiums earned in the second quarter were $149.1 million compared to $149.4 million in the first quarter and $141.2 million in the second quarter of 2024. Net yield for the quarter was 28 basis points. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:08:23Core yield, which excludes the cost of our reinsurance coverage and the contribution from cancellation earnings, was 34.2 basis points, up from 34.1 basis points in the first quarter. Investment income was $24.9 million in the second quarter compared to $23.7 million in the first quarter and $20.7 million in the second quarter of 2024. Total revenue was a record $173.8 million in the second quarter compared to $173.2 million in the first quarter and $162.1 million in the second quarter of 2024. Underwriting and operating expenses were $29.5 million in the second quarter compared to $30.2 million in the first quarter. Our expense ratio was a record low, 19.8% in the quarter, highlighting the significant operating leverage embedded in our business and the success we have achieved in efficiently managing our cost base. We have a uniquely high-quality insured portfolio, and our credit performance continues to stand ahead. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:09:29We had 6,709 defaults at June 30th compared to 6,859 at March 31st, and our default rate declined to 1% at quarter end. Claims expense in the second quarter was $13.4 million. GAAP net income for the quarter was $96.2 million, and diluted earnings per share was $1.21. Adjusted net income was $96.5 million, and adjusted diluted EPS was $1.22. Total cash and investments were $3 billion at quarter end, including $169 million of cash and investments with the holding company. Shareholders' equity at June 30th was $2.4 billion, and book value per share was $31.14. Book value per share, excluding the impact of net unrealized gains and losses in the investment portfolio, was $32.08, up 4% compared to the first quarter and 16% compared to the second quarter of last year. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:10:31In the second quarter, we repurchased $23.2 million of common stock, retiring 628,000 shares at an average price of $36.90. Through quarter end, we repurchased a total of $294 million of common stock, retiring 10.6 million shares at an average price of $27.61. We have $281 million of repurchase capacity remaining under our existing program. At quarter end, we reported $3.2 billion of total available assets under PMIERs and $1.9 billion of risk-based required assets. Excess available assets were $1.3 billion. Overall, we achieved standout financial results during the quarter, delivering consistent growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, record top-line performance and expense efficiency, and strong bottom-line profitability and return. With that, let me turn it back to Adam. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:11:31Thank you, Aurora. We had a terrific quarter, once again delivering significant new business production, consistent growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and standout financial results. We have a strong customer franchise, a talented team driving us forward every day, an exceptionally high-quality book covered by a comprehensive set of risk transfer solutions, and a robust balance sheet supported by the significant earnings power of our platform. Taken together, we are well positioned to continue to serve our customers and their borrowers, invest in our employees and their success, drive growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and deliver through the cycle growth, returns, and value for our shareholders. Before closing, I also want to echo Brad's comments about our Great Place To Work and Decade of Great Recognition. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:12:20National MI leads the mortgage insurance market with discipline and distinction, and we are fortunate to have such a talented and dedicated team working hard every day to deliver innovative solutions for our customers and their borrowers. We have a reputation standing at success as a company because of our team, and I'm delighted to take a moment to celebrate their efforts. Thank you for joining us today. I'll now ask the operator to come back on so we can take your questions. Operator00:12:51We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. If you are using a speaker phone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. The first question comes from Doug Harter from UBS. Please go ahead. Doug HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS00:13:17Thanks. I'm hoping you could talk a little bit about the pacing of capital return, and given the sort of resiliency of the economy and the persistence of high rates, whether that would change the pacing of capital return. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:13:32Yeah, Doug, it's a good question. I'd say, broadly speaking, we're pleased with the execution that we've achieved on our program thus far, including the $23 million that we retired in Q2. As we look ahead, while we don't have a set schedule for our anticipated activity, we've been fairly consistent thus far, buying back roughly $25 million a quarter, and that's really a good assumption for where we'll be. I think we've got it as an open market program, so you could see some natural fluctuations up or down depending on the risk environment, how our operating performance is trending, and also where our valuation trends, because it's somewhat sensitive to value. We certainly have ample capacity to be more opportunistic if the opportunity should arise, and by the same token, I'd say that discipline to slow things if circumstances dictate. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:14:20Right now, it'd be a good assumption of sort of that rough $25 million per quarter that we've been operating against. Doug HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS00:14:31Thank you, Adam. Operator00:14:34The next question comes from Rick Shane from JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Rick ShaneManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:14:39Hey, everybody. Thank you for taking my questions. Look, you know we're starting to, over the last couple of months here, hear more about rising supply of homes for sale, longer days on market, some indications of home price depreciation in certain markets. If you can talk about how you're thinking about this tactically in terms of underwriting, but also in terms of risk transfer. When we look at year to date, you've done a QSR, you've done XOL. It looks like the strategy remains sort of balanced accessing different markets, but I'm curious if you're seeing anything in terms of pricing in those markets that either gives you pause or will lead you in one direction or the other. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:15:33Yeah. Why don't both Aurora and I take it? I'll give you a perspective on what we're seeing broadly in the market, how we're continuing to manage around what we observe in the market, and then we touch on reinsurance where we are fully placed on a forward basis for several years from here. I think maybe I'll just comment broadly on the market and what we're observing because you're right, the headlines are out there. I think there are real reasons to be encouraged about the backdrop in which we're operating against, right? The economy continues to grow, the job market remains healthy, and some of those long-term secular drivers of demand remain fully intact. It's not surprising that we're continuing to see broad-based resilience in the market, a resiliency in the market nationally. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:16:25However, as we've noted really for a while now, we do see differences emerging in different geographies, right? Parts of Florida, Texas, the Sun Belt, and Mountain West absolutely remain under pressure, but this is really nothing new. These are the areas that saw some of the most significant price increases during the pandemic rally, and they're now facing a more pronounced supply-demand reset. Overall, what that means is that the housing market itself is moving more towards a point of equilibrium. What we expect is that the pace of appreciation nationally will continue to normalize from where it's been, and it had been obviously on a record run even coming out of the pandemic for an extended stretch, and that we will continue to see differences emerge market by market. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:17:18As to what that has us doing as a risk matter, as an underwriting matter, as a credit selection matter, it's really nothing new, right? This is exactly the same theme that we've been watching, that we've been talking about, that we've been pricing for, and that we've been managing around for a long time now. We're in the fortunate position that we don't have to be reactive to what we're seeing emerge now because it's exactly what we've anticipated for so long. There are reasons why we actively price through Rate GPS and have the ability to manage our mix across 950 different MSAs, and we'll continue to use the tools that we've developed to do that. We don't have any concerns, and we don't expect any significant changes, right? We want to be balanced. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:18:01We want to obviously take all the steps that we need to to protect our balance sheet, protect our ability to deliver strong results for shareholders, but also make sure that we're showing up constructively in all markets at all times for our lenders and their borrowers. We're in a terrific, terrific position today as to what it means for our risk transfer program. I'll turn it to Aurora. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:18:23Yeah, I'm happy to take that one. As Adam articulated, we've already secured last fall both quota share and XOL coverage for all of our 2025 production and all of our 2026 production and a partial placement of our 2027 production year. We're not looking to do anything specific or extra as a result of the current macro environment or housing market. At the same time, our typical cadence is that we'll meet with our reinsurance partners in the back part of the year and place our forward flow deals. I think you'll see us doing that over the next couple of quarters. I'd also say that alongside our sort of normal forward flow transactions, we always think about ways that we can optimize our coverage in terms of lowering costs, getting additional coverage. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:19:16You may see us tweak certain contracts or exercise certain call rights with respect to transactions that are outstanding. We don't really see any pressing need to do something different today. Rick ShaneManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:19:31Got it. It's very helpful, and I appreciate the sort of reminder on the cadence of the way the programs work. It's helpful. Thank you, guys. Operator00:19:41The next question comes from Mark Hughes from Truist Securities. Please go ahead. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:19:47Yeah, thanks. Good afternoon. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:19:50Good afternoon. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:19:50Adam, any update on the competitive environment? How is pricing relative to your peers, any new developments there? Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:20:05I'd say broadly speaking, the industry pricing is, as we observe it, balanced and constructive. I'd say we continue to be encouraged by the unit economics that we're achieving on new business. Today at NMI, where we should be, we're at a point, again, I mentioned this in my response to Rick, where we're fully and fairly supporting our customers and their borrowers. At the same time, we're using rate, among other tools, to protect our balance sheet, manage our risk, and make sure that we're able to deliver returns for shareholders. It's a constructive environment as we look out. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:20:40Yeah. On the OpEx side, were there any kind of one-timers that helped out, or is that just a function of leverage? Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:20:51What I'd say on the expense side is that we typically do see a decline from Q1 to Q2 in terms of absolute dollars. That's the typical annual reset of the FICA and the 401(k) bonus matching that occurs in the first quarter. We do typically see a more heavy expense load in Q1 versus Q2. There were some other ins and outs, but there were no one-offs or anything particular that I'd point to. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:21:20Yeah, really just a strong quarter of discipline and efficiency that we always try to maintain. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:21:29On investment income, likewise, any kind of non-recurring items, or is that just growth in the portfolio? Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:21:39Yeah, you could see that there were some small dispositions, which is the difference between GAAP net income and the adjusted net income, but truly de minimis in the context of a portfolio of this size. The growth in the book yield that you've been seeing, not just this quarter, but the past several quarters, is just as a result of the sort of normal investing activity at the current interest rate and spread environment, reinvesting principal and interest as it comes due, and then, of course, the free cash flow from the business. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:22:14Anything on the default front, new notices around catastrophes? I don't know whether you had the recoveries coming off of maybe the wildfires. Anything like that that is worth calling out? Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:22:29Nothing that we'd call out in particular. We have a population of hurricane-related defaults largely related to hurricanes Milton and Helene. I was trying to merge those two names there, Milton and Helene. That was 625 at the end of the first quarter, and now it is 421 as at the end of the second quarter. Those tend to cure at a higher than normal rate compared to other NODs, and we're seeing exactly the behavior that we'd expect in that population. You mentioned the wildfires. Just given the home price point in the geographic area affected by the wildfires in Southern California, we have a very limited number of NODs, single-digit number of NODs related to those regions. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:23:19Maybe just a broader view on kind of how things trended. I'd say overall, we continue to be encouraged by the credit performance of the portfolio, including trends in the default population. The broad resiliency that we've seen in the economy, the labor market, house prices still sitting near or at record highs in most markets, continues to set a favorable backdrop. Our existing borrowers remain incredibly well situated with strong credit profiles, and given the quality of our book, we're continuing to see that translate through to our default experience and overall credit performance. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:23:57When you look at the recoveries in the quarter, anything that you would put your finger on that was kind of the more important driver of that home price appreciation? Anything else that you would isolate rather than just a broad credit performance? Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:24:20No. You're saying recovery, and I guess we'll look at it and say it's cure activity, right? It's those borrowers who've been in default who have been able to find their footing, come out of default, and resume payments on their mortgage in a timely fashion. What we are generally seeing is, right, borrowers have a better ability to cure themselves out of a default position. One, if you are operating against a favorable macro backdrop with a strong labor market, those borrowers who fell behind because they lost their job have the ability to find new employment quickly, and that still remains the case. Other borrowers benefit from significant amounts of embedded equity where, even if they can't cure out of a default on their own, they can still sell their way out of a problem before they ultimately progress to a claimable outcome. Those trends are still there. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:25:08We could talk about how they sit relative to where we were in prior periods, but that broad favorable backdrop continues to come through. The one other item that we've noted that does play through, and it's in the first half, is the seasonal dynamic in our default population. Recall we've talked about this in the past, but borrowers in the first half generally benefit from either the receipt of bonus income for some of them or, on a much broader sense, tax refunds which come through. The tax refund can be applied by borrowers who've fallen behind to help them catch up. That trend doesn't then follow in the third or fourth quarter because seasonally they're not getting tax refunds in the third quarter, and in the fourth quarter, there's a new outflow with many families choosing to prioritize spending for the holidays and other year-end expenses. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:25:55That dynamic still came through. The pattern that you see in our default experience and our default population aligns with what we've seen in past years because of that seasonal dynamic as well. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:26:09Thank you very much. Operator00:26:13As a reminder, if you have a question, please press star one. The next question comes from Bose George from KBW. Please go ahead. Bose GeorgeManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe Bruyette & Woods00:26:21Hey, everyone. Good afternoon. On the regulatory front, FHFA put out this notice for comment on the Equitable Housing Finance Plans. Does that potentially have an impact on the MI footprint, or is there anything else that you see from the FHFA that could impact the MI footprint? Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:26:39Yeah, I'll talk about the Equitable Housing Finance Plans. I'd say it was a notice of proposed rulemaking, right? It's not a final outcome. We'd say even if the plans are eliminated, we still expect that the broad idea of access and affordability is going to remain central to housing policy decisions in D.C. Policymakers and regulators across all administrations have always worked to identify ways to support borrowers, increase available supply, provide expanded access to homeownership. Formally eliminating the Equitable Housing Finance Plans doesn't change this really at all. We don't expect that the announcement is going to have any consequential impact on our business or our market at this point. Bose GeorgeManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe Bruyette & Woods00:27:23Okay. You feel like the change is more of a reduction in the regulatory side as opposed to actual loans that flow through these programs? Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:27:33Again, I don't want to speak for the FHFA on this as to what the ultimate intent is. They'd already announced an issue. The FHFA, in I think it was in the first quarter or early in the second quarter, had already issued an order terminating all special purpose credit programs that were supported by the GSEs. I think it was actually late in March. We haven't seen any change really of consequence flow through from that, so we're not expecting that this next step in terms of the proposal to eliminate the Equitable Housing Finance Plans will have an impact either. Bose GeorgeManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe Bruyette & Woods00:28:06Okay, great. Actually, just one more regulatory one as well. You know, you noted the mortgage insurance premium tax deduction. Do you know what percentage of borrowers use that in terms as opposed to just itemized or using the standard deduction? Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:28:23Yeah. Again, it's going to depend on the environment on the year. I think what we generally observe is that prior to the passage of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, you had about 70% of filers were taking a standard deduction. That number has increased to 90% with the passage of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and the increase in the standard deduction. We think that this is a common sense provision. It will provide a benefit to many homeowners. It's really about providing borrowers benefit and relief. It's because of those numbers, right? If you only have roughly 10% of filers who itemize, it's not going to necessarily have a dramatic, dramatic impact on our borrower base, but there will certainly be borrowers who deserve the benefit and will be able to now harvest it. Bose GeorgeManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe Bruyette & Woods00:29:24Okay, great. That's helpful. Thanks. Operator00:29:31This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:29:38Thank you again for joining us. We'll be participating in the JPMorgan Future of Financials Forum virtually on August 12, the Barclays Financial Services Conference in New York on September 8, and the Zelman Housing Conference in Boston on September 12. We look forward to speaking with you again soon. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:29:57The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJohn SwensonVP of Investor Relations and TreasuryAdam PollitzerPresident and CEOBrad ShusterExecutive ChairmanAurora SwithenbankCFOAnalystsDoug HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBSMark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist SecuritiesBose GeorgeManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe Bruyette & WoodsRick ShaneManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at JPMorganPowered by Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K) NMI Earnings HeadlinesNMI Holdings Shareholders Back Board, Pay and AuditorMay 17 at 2:46 PM | theglobeandmail.comHead to Head Contrast: United Fire Group (NASDAQ:UFCS) & NMI (NASDAQ:NMIH)May 15 at 3:30 AM | americanbankingnews.comGoldman Sachs just told you what to buy (most people missed it)Goldman Sachs just revealed that 40% of AI data centers will be crippled by electricity shortages by 2027 - not chips, not funding, but power. 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Email Address About NMINMI (NASDAQ:NMIH) Holdings, Inc. (NASDAQ: NMIH) is a publicly traded mortgage insurance company that provides private mortgage insurance to lenders across the United States and Canada. Through its principal subsidiary, National Mortgage Insurance Corporation, NMI underwrites and issues policies that protect originators and investors against losses arising from borrower default on residential mortgage loans. By mitigating credit risk on higher‐loan‐to‐value mortgages, the company supports homebuyers’ access to financing and contributes to overall market liquidity. Beyond its core mortgage insurance products, NMI offers credit risk‐sharing and reinsurance solutions designed to help clients optimize capital utilization and manage portfolio exposure. Utilizing proprietary analytics and underwriting tools, the company delivers tailored risk management services—including policy administration, claims handling, and performance monitoring—to a network of banks, independent mortgage companies, and national brokers. This integrated platform streamlines operational workflows and provides transparent insights into risk trends. Serving lenders in all 50 U.S. states and select Canadian provinces, NMI leverages a broad geographic footprint combined with centralized risk management capabilities. Its flexible product offerings support a range of homebuyer segments, from first‐time purchasers to seasoned borrowers, while aligning with evolving regulatory requirements. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Today, and welcome to the NMI Holdings, Inc second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Swenson of management. Please go ahead. John SwensonVP of Investor Relations and Treasury at NMI Holdings, Inc00:00:37Thank you. Good afternoon and welcome to the 2025 second quarter conference call for National MI I'm John Swenson, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasury. Joining us on the call today are Brad Shuster, Executive Chairman, Adam Pollitzer, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Aurora Swithenbank, our Chief Financial Officer. Financial results for the quarter were released after the close today. The press release may be accessed on NMI's website, located at nationalmi.com, under the Investors tab. During the course of this call, we may make comments about our expectations for the future. Actual results could differ materially from those contained in these forward-looking statements. Additional information about the factors that could cause actual results or trends to differ materially from those discussed on the call can be found on our website or through our regulatory filings with the SEC. John SwensonVP of Investor Relations and Treasury at NMI Holdings, Inc00:01:32If and to the extent the company makes forward-looking statements, we do not undertake any obligation to update those statements in the future in light of subsequent developments. Further, no one should rely on the fact that the guidance of such statements is current at any time other than the time of this call. Also note that on this call, we may refer to certain non-GAAP measures. In today's press release and on our website, we provided a reconciliation of these measures to the most comparable measures under GAAP. Now I'll turn the call over to Brad. Brad ShusterExecutive Chairman at NMI Holdings, Inc00:02:03Thank you, John, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to report that in the second quarter, National MI again delivered standout operating performance, continued growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results. Our lenders and their borrowers continued to turn to us for critical down payment support, and in the second quarter, we generated $12.5 billion of NIW volume, ending the period with a record $214.7 billion of high-quality, high-performing primary insurance in force. In Washington, our conversations remain active and constructive, and there continues to be broad recognition in D.C. about the value that the private mortgage insurance industry provides, offering borrowers efficient down payment support and access to mortgage credit, while also placing private capital in front of the taxpayer to absorb risk and loss in a downturn. Brad ShusterExecutive Chairman at NMI Holdings, Inc00:03:13Before turning it to Adam and getting into the details of the quarter, I also want to share how proud I am that in June, National MI was again recognized as a Great Place to work and earned an added decade of great distinction for garnering our honor for the 10th consecutive year. Great Place to Work is a global authority on workplace culture, employee experience, and leadership, and partners with Fortune Magazine to produce the annual Fortune 100 Best Companies to Work For list. We firmly believe that the quality of our team and the culture that we have established are key competitive advantages, and it is gratifying to again be recognized for these strengths. With that, let me turn it over to Adam. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:04:08Thank you, Brad, and good afternoon, everyone. National MI continued to outperform in the second quarter, delivering significant new business production, consistent growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results. We generated $12.5 billion of new insurance written volume and ended the period with a record $214.7 billion of high-quality, high-performing primary insurance in force. Total revenue in the second quarter was a record $173.8 million, and we delivered adjusted net income of $96.5 million, or $1.22 per diluted share, and a 16.3% adjusted return on equity. Overall, we had a terrific quarter and are confident as we look ahead. The macro environment has remained resilient in the face of elevated interest rates and increased headline volatility. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:05:04Our lender customers and their borrowers continue to rely on us in size for critical down payment support, and we see an attractive and sustained new business opportunity fueled by long-term secular trends. We have an exceptionally high-quality insured portfolio covered by a comprehensive set of risk transfer solutions, and our credit performance continues to stand ahead. Our persistency remains well above historical trend, and when paired with our strong NIW production, has helped to drive consistent growth and embedded value gains in our insured book. We continue to manage our expenses and capital position with discipline and efficiency, building a robust balance sheet that's supported by the significant earnings power of our platform. Notwithstanding these strong positives, however, macro risks do remain, and we've maintained a proactive stance with respect to our pricing, risk selection, and reinsurance decisioning. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:06:06It's an approach that has served us well and continues to be the prudent and appropriate course. More broadly, we remain encouraged by the continued discipline that we see across the private mortgage insurance market, and we applaud the permanent renewal of the mortgage insurance premium tax deduction in the One Big Beautiful Bill, which is expected to deliver meaningful tax relief to deserving middle-class homeowners. Overall, we had a terrific quarter, delivering strong operating performance, continued growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results. We're in the market every day with a clear mandate and purpose, offering a low-cost, high-value solution that makes homeownership more affordable and achievable for millions of Americans in communities across the country, with coverage that works to insulate the GSEs and taxpayers from risk and loss in a downturn. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:07:02Looking ahead, we're well positioned to continue to serve our customers and their borrowers, invest in our employees and their success, drive growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and deliver through the cycle growth, returns, and value for our shareholders. With that, I'll turn it over to Aurora. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:07:22Thank you, Adam. We again delivered standout financial results in the second quarter. Total revenue was a record $173.8 million. Adjusted net income was $96.5 million, or $1.22 per diluted share, and adjusted return on equity was 16.3%. We generated $12.5 billion of NIW, and our primary insurance in force grew to $214.7 billion, up 2% from the end of the first quarter and 5% compared to the second quarter of 2024. 12-month persistency was 84.1% in the second quarter compared to 84.3% in the first quarter. Net premiums earned in the second quarter were $149.1 million compared to $149.4 million in the first quarter and $141.2 million in the second quarter of 2024. Net yield for the quarter was 28 basis points. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:08:23Core yield, which excludes the cost of our reinsurance coverage and the contribution from cancellation earnings, was 34.2 basis points, up from 34.1 basis points in the first quarter. Investment income was $24.9 million in the second quarter compared to $23.7 million in the first quarter and $20.7 million in the second quarter of 2024. Total revenue was a record $173.8 million in the second quarter compared to $173.2 million in the first quarter and $162.1 million in the second quarter of 2024. Underwriting and operating expenses were $29.5 million in the second quarter compared to $30.2 million in the first quarter. Our expense ratio was a record low, 19.8% in the quarter, highlighting the significant operating leverage embedded in our business and the success we have achieved in efficiently managing our cost base. We have a uniquely high-quality insured portfolio, and our credit performance continues to stand ahead. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:09:29We had 6,709 defaults at June 30th compared to 6,859 at March 31st, and our default rate declined to 1% at quarter end. Claims expense in the second quarter was $13.4 million. GAAP net income for the quarter was $96.2 million, and diluted earnings per share was $1.21. Adjusted net income was $96.5 million, and adjusted diluted EPS was $1.22. Total cash and investments were $3 billion at quarter end, including $169 million of cash and investments with the holding company. Shareholders' equity at June 30th was $2.4 billion, and book value per share was $31.14. Book value per share, excluding the impact of net unrealized gains and losses in the investment portfolio, was $32.08, up 4% compared to the first quarter and 16% compared to the second quarter of last year. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:10:31In the second quarter, we repurchased $23.2 million of common stock, retiring 628,000 shares at an average price of $36.90. Through quarter end, we repurchased a total of $294 million of common stock, retiring 10.6 million shares at an average price of $27.61. We have $281 million of repurchase capacity remaining under our existing program. At quarter end, we reported $3.2 billion of total available assets under PMIERs and $1.9 billion of risk-based required assets. Excess available assets were $1.3 billion. Overall, we achieved standout financial results during the quarter, delivering consistent growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, record top-line performance and expense efficiency, and strong bottom-line profitability and return. With that, let me turn it back to Adam. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:11:31Thank you, Aurora. We had a terrific quarter, once again delivering significant new business production, consistent growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and standout financial results. We have a strong customer franchise, a talented team driving us forward every day, an exceptionally high-quality book covered by a comprehensive set of risk transfer solutions, and a robust balance sheet supported by the significant earnings power of our platform. Taken together, we are well positioned to continue to serve our customers and their borrowers, invest in our employees and their success, drive growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and deliver through the cycle growth, returns, and value for our shareholders. Before closing, I also want to echo Brad's comments about our Great Place To Work and Decade of Great Recognition. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:12:20National MI leads the mortgage insurance market with discipline and distinction, and we are fortunate to have such a talented and dedicated team working hard every day to deliver innovative solutions for our customers and their borrowers. We have a reputation standing at success as a company because of our team, and I'm delighted to take a moment to celebrate their efforts. Thank you for joining us today. I'll now ask the operator to come back on so we can take your questions. Operator00:12:51We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. If you are using a speaker phone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. The first question comes from Doug Harter from UBS. Please go ahead. Doug HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS00:13:17Thanks. I'm hoping you could talk a little bit about the pacing of capital return, and given the sort of resiliency of the economy and the persistence of high rates, whether that would change the pacing of capital return. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:13:32Yeah, Doug, it's a good question. I'd say, broadly speaking, we're pleased with the execution that we've achieved on our program thus far, including the $23 million that we retired in Q2. As we look ahead, while we don't have a set schedule for our anticipated activity, we've been fairly consistent thus far, buying back roughly $25 million a quarter, and that's really a good assumption for where we'll be. I think we've got it as an open market program, so you could see some natural fluctuations up or down depending on the risk environment, how our operating performance is trending, and also where our valuation trends, because it's somewhat sensitive to value. We certainly have ample capacity to be more opportunistic if the opportunity should arise, and by the same token, I'd say that discipline to slow things if circumstances dictate. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:14:20Right now, it'd be a good assumption of sort of that rough $25 million per quarter that we've been operating against. Doug HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS00:14:31Thank you, Adam. Operator00:14:34The next question comes from Rick Shane from JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Rick ShaneManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:14:39Hey, everybody. Thank you for taking my questions. Look, you know we're starting to, over the last couple of months here, hear more about rising supply of homes for sale, longer days on market, some indications of home price depreciation in certain markets. If you can talk about how you're thinking about this tactically in terms of underwriting, but also in terms of risk transfer. When we look at year to date, you've done a QSR, you've done XOL. It looks like the strategy remains sort of balanced accessing different markets, but I'm curious if you're seeing anything in terms of pricing in those markets that either gives you pause or will lead you in one direction or the other. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:15:33Yeah. Why don't both Aurora and I take it? I'll give you a perspective on what we're seeing broadly in the market, how we're continuing to manage around what we observe in the market, and then we touch on reinsurance where we are fully placed on a forward basis for several years from here. I think maybe I'll just comment broadly on the market and what we're observing because you're right, the headlines are out there. I think there are real reasons to be encouraged about the backdrop in which we're operating against, right? The economy continues to grow, the job market remains healthy, and some of those long-term secular drivers of demand remain fully intact. It's not surprising that we're continuing to see broad-based resilience in the market, a resiliency in the market nationally. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:16:25However, as we've noted really for a while now, we do see differences emerging in different geographies, right? Parts of Florida, Texas, the Sun Belt, and Mountain West absolutely remain under pressure, but this is really nothing new. These are the areas that saw some of the most significant price increases during the pandemic rally, and they're now facing a more pronounced supply-demand reset. Overall, what that means is that the housing market itself is moving more towards a point of equilibrium. What we expect is that the pace of appreciation nationally will continue to normalize from where it's been, and it had been obviously on a record run even coming out of the pandemic for an extended stretch, and that we will continue to see differences emerge market by market. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:17:18As to what that has us doing as a risk matter, as an underwriting matter, as a credit selection matter, it's really nothing new, right? This is exactly the same theme that we've been watching, that we've been talking about, that we've been pricing for, and that we've been managing around for a long time now. We're in the fortunate position that we don't have to be reactive to what we're seeing emerge now because it's exactly what we've anticipated for so long. There are reasons why we actively price through Rate GPS and have the ability to manage our mix across 950 different MSAs, and we'll continue to use the tools that we've developed to do that. We don't have any concerns, and we don't expect any significant changes, right? We want to be balanced. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:18:01We want to obviously take all the steps that we need to to protect our balance sheet, protect our ability to deliver strong results for shareholders, but also make sure that we're showing up constructively in all markets at all times for our lenders and their borrowers. We're in a terrific, terrific position today as to what it means for our risk transfer program. I'll turn it to Aurora. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:18:23Yeah, I'm happy to take that one. As Adam articulated, we've already secured last fall both quota share and XOL coverage for all of our 2025 production and all of our 2026 production and a partial placement of our 2027 production year. We're not looking to do anything specific or extra as a result of the current macro environment or housing market. At the same time, our typical cadence is that we'll meet with our reinsurance partners in the back part of the year and place our forward flow deals. I think you'll see us doing that over the next couple of quarters. I'd also say that alongside our sort of normal forward flow transactions, we always think about ways that we can optimize our coverage in terms of lowering costs, getting additional coverage. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:19:16You may see us tweak certain contracts or exercise certain call rights with respect to transactions that are outstanding. We don't really see any pressing need to do something different today. Rick ShaneManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:19:31Got it. It's very helpful, and I appreciate the sort of reminder on the cadence of the way the programs work. It's helpful. Thank you, guys. Operator00:19:41The next question comes from Mark Hughes from Truist Securities. Please go ahead. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:19:47Yeah, thanks. Good afternoon. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:19:50Good afternoon. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:19:50Adam, any update on the competitive environment? How is pricing relative to your peers, any new developments there? Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:20:05I'd say broadly speaking, the industry pricing is, as we observe it, balanced and constructive. I'd say we continue to be encouraged by the unit economics that we're achieving on new business. Today at NMI, where we should be, we're at a point, again, I mentioned this in my response to Rick, where we're fully and fairly supporting our customers and their borrowers. At the same time, we're using rate, among other tools, to protect our balance sheet, manage our risk, and make sure that we're able to deliver returns for shareholders. It's a constructive environment as we look out. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:20:40Yeah. On the OpEx side, were there any kind of one-timers that helped out, or is that just a function of leverage? Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:20:51What I'd say on the expense side is that we typically do see a decline from Q1 to Q2 in terms of absolute dollars. That's the typical annual reset of the FICA and the 401(k) bonus matching that occurs in the first quarter. We do typically see a more heavy expense load in Q1 versus Q2. There were some other ins and outs, but there were no one-offs or anything particular that I'd point to. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:21:20Yeah, really just a strong quarter of discipline and efficiency that we always try to maintain. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:21:29On investment income, likewise, any kind of non-recurring items, or is that just growth in the portfolio? Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:21:39Yeah, you could see that there were some small dispositions, which is the difference between GAAP net income and the adjusted net income, but truly de minimis in the context of a portfolio of this size. The growth in the book yield that you've been seeing, not just this quarter, but the past several quarters, is just as a result of the sort of normal investing activity at the current interest rate and spread environment, reinvesting principal and interest as it comes due, and then, of course, the free cash flow from the business. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:22:14Anything on the default front, new notices around catastrophes? I don't know whether you had the recoveries coming off of maybe the wildfires. Anything like that that is worth calling out? Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:22:29Nothing that we'd call out in particular. We have a population of hurricane-related defaults largely related to hurricanes Milton and Helene. I was trying to merge those two names there, Milton and Helene. That was 625 at the end of the first quarter, and now it is 421 as at the end of the second quarter. Those tend to cure at a higher than normal rate compared to other NODs, and we're seeing exactly the behavior that we'd expect in that population. You mentioned the wildfires. Just given the home price point in the geographic area affected by the wildfires in Southern California, we have a very limited number of NODs, single-digit number of NODs related to those regions. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:23:19Maybe just a broader view on kind of how things trended. I'd say overall, we continue to be encouraged by the credit performance of the portfolio, including trends in the default population. The broad resiliency that we've seen in the economy, the labor market, house prices still sitting near or at record highs in most markets, continues to set a favorable backdrop. Our existing borrowers remain incredibly well situated with strong credit profiles, and given the quality of our book, we're continuing to see that translate through to our default experience and overall credit performance. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:23:57When you look at the recoveries in the quarter, anything that you would put your finger on that was kind of the more important driver of that home price appreciation? Anything else that you would isolate rather than just a broad credit performance? Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:24:20No. You're saying recovery, and I guess we'll look at it and say it's cure activity, right? It's those borrowers who've been in default who have been able to find their footing, come out of default, and resume payments on their mortgage in a timely fashion. What we are generally seeing is, right, borrowers have a better ability to cure themselves out of a default position. One, if you are operating against a favorable macro backdrop with a strong labor market, those borrowers who fell behind because they lost their job have the ability to find new employment quickly, and that still remains the case. Other borrowers benefit from significant amounts of embedded equity where, even if they can't cure out of a default on their own, they can still sell their way out of a problem before they ultimately progress to a claimable outcome. Those trends are still there. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:25:08We could talk about how they sit relative to where we were in prior periods, but that broad favorable backdrop continues to come through. The one other item that we've noted that does play through, and it's in the first half, is the seasonal dynamic in our default population. Recall we've talked about this in the past, but borrowers in the first half generally benefit from either the receipt of bonus income for some of them or, on a much broader sense, tax refunds which come through. The tax refund can be applied by borrowers who've fallen behind to help them catch up. That trend doesn't then follow in the third or fourth quarter because seasonally they're not getting tax refunds in the third quarter, and in the fourth quarter, there's a new outflow with many families choosing to prioritize spending for the holidays and other year-end expenses. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:25:55That dynamic still came through. The pattern that you see in our default experience and our default population aligns with what we've seen in past years because of that seasonal dynamic as well. Mark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist Securities00:26:09Thank you very much. Operator00:26:13As a reminder, if you have a question, please press star one. The next question comes from Bose George from KBW. Please go ahead. Bose GeorgeManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe Bruyette & Woods00:26:21Hey, everyone. Good afternoon. On the regulatory front, FHFA put out this notice for comment on the Equitable Housing Finance Plans. Does that potentially have an impact on the MI footprint, or is there anything else that you see from the FHFA that could impact the MI footprint? Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:26:39Yeah, I'll talk about the Equitable Housing Finance Plans. I'd say it was a notice of proposed rulemaking, right? It's not a final outcome. We'd say even if the plans are eliminated, we still expect that the broad idea of access and affordability is going to remain central to housing policy decisions in D.C. Policymakers and regulators across all administrations have always worked to identify ways to support borrowers, increase available supply, provide expanded access to homeownership. Formally eliminating the Equitable Housing Finance Plans doesn't change this really at all. We don't expect that the announcement is going to have any consequential impact on our business or our market at this point. Bose GeorgeManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe Bruyette & Woods00:27:23Okay. You feel like the change is more of a reduction in the regulatory side as opposed to actual loans that flow through these programs? Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:27:33Again, I don't want to speak for the FHFA on this as to what the ultimate intent is. They'd already announced an issue. The FHFA, in I think it was in the first quarter or early in the second quarter, had already issued an order terminating all special purpose credit programs that were supported by the GSEs. I think it was actually late in March. We haven't seen any change really of consequence flow through from that, so we're not expecting that this next step in terms of the proposal to eliminate the Equitable Housing Finance Plans will have an impact either. Bose GeorgeManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe Bruyette & Woods00:28:06Okay, great. Actually, just one more regulatory one as well. You know, you noted the mortgage insurance premium tax deduction. Do you know what percentage of borrowers use that in terms as opposed to just itemized or using the standard deduction? Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:28:23Yeah. Again, it's going to depend on the environment on the year. I think what we generally observe is that prior to the passage of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, you had about 70% of filers were taking a standard deduction. That number has increased to 90% with the passage of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and the increase in the standard deduction. We think that this is a common sense provision. It will provide a benefit to many homeowners. It's really about providing borrowers benefit and relief. It's because of those numbers, right? If you only have roughly 10% of filers who itemize, it's not going to necessarily have a dramatic, dramatic impact on our borrower base, but there will certainly be borrowers who deserve the benefit and will be able to now harvest it. Bose GeorgeManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe Bruyette & Woods00:29:24Okay, great. That's helpful. Thanks. Operator00:29:31This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks. Adam PollitzerPresident and CEO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:29:38Thank you again for joining us. We'll be participating in the JPMorgan Future of Financials Forum virtually on August 12, the Barclays Financial Services Conference in New York on September 8, and the Zelman Housing Conference in Boston on September 12. We look forward to speaking with you again soon. Aurora SwithenbankCFO at NMI Holdings, Inc00:29:57The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJohn SwensonVP of Investor Relations and TreasuryAdam PollitzerPresident and CEOBrad ShusterExecutive ChairmanAurora SwithenbankCFOAnalystsDoug HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBSMark HughesManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Truist SecuritiesBose GeorgeManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe Bruyette & WoodsRick ShaneManaging Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at JPMorganPowered by