Pitney Bowes Q2 2025 Earnings Report

Pitney Bowes EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.27
• Consensus EPS: $0.27
• Beat/Miss: Met Expectations
• One Year Ago EPS: $0.03

Pitney Bowes Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $461.91 million
• Expected Revenue: $475.92 million
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$14.01 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: -5.70%

Pitney Bowes Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q2 2025
• Date: 7/30/2025
• Time: After Market Closes
• Conference Call Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 5:00PM ET

Pitney Bowes (NYSE:PBI) (NYSE:PBI) is a global technology, shipping and mailing company that provides solutions for businesses managing physical and digital communications, parcels and mail. Its offerings include mailing and shipping equipment, software, supplies, services and financing options designed to help organizations process, track and deliver items.

The company operates through businesses focused on shipping and mailing technology and presort services. Its products and services include postage meters and other mailroom equipment, cloud-based shipping and mailing software, parcel management tools, address and data services, and outsourced mail processing. Pitney Bowes also supports e-commerce and logistics operations through solutions intended to improve fulfillment, delivery visibility and customer communications.

Founded in 1920 by Arthur Pitney and Walter Bowes, the company helped establish the modern postage-meter industry. Pitney Bowes serves commercial, governmental and small-business customers in the United States and internationally, with operations and clients across multiple global markets. In recent years, the company has emphasized its SendTech and Presort Services businesses while streamlining its portfolio, including the divestiture of its Global Ecommerce business.

Pitney Bowes Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Positive Sentiment: The board appointed Paul Evans as CFO, leveraging his public-company CEO experience and prior Pitney Bowes board roles to bolster financial leadership.
• Positive Sentiment: Q2 delivered significant earnings and cash flow growth, with the company nearly exhausting its $150 million buyback, raising the dividend again, and boosting its repurchase authorization to $400 million now that leverage is below 3x.
• Neutral Sentiment: Pitney Bowes launched a two-phase strategic review targeting internal efficiencies, already uncovering multiple opportunities for future value creation.
• Negative Sentiment: Full-year guidance was revised with a $50 million revenue reduction and a tightened top-end EBIT margin due to prior Presort customer losses described as an unforced error by management.
• Positive Sentiment: Management increased its EPS guidance by $0.10, attributing the uplift to ongoing share repurchases and disciplined capital allocation.

Presentation

[Operator]

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Q2 2025 Pitney Bowes Earnings Conference Call. At this time all participants are in listen only mode. After the speaker's presentation there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during this session you will need to press Star 1 1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded and I would like to hand the conference over to our first speaker today, Alex Brown, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

[Alex Brown, Director of Investor Relations at Pitney Bowes]

Good afternoon and thank you for joining us. Included in today's presentation are forward-looking statements about our future business and financial performance. Forward-looking statements involve risks along with uncertainties that could cause actual results to be materially different from our projections. More information about these items can be found in our earnings press release, our 2024 Form 10-K, and other reports filed with the SEC that are located on our website at www.pb.com and clicking on Investor Relations. Please keep in mind that we do not undertake any obligation to update forward-looking statements as a result of new information or developments. Also included in today's presentation are non-GAAP measures. Specifically, EBIT, EBITDA, EPS, and free cash flow are all on an adjusted basis. You can find reconciliations for these items to the appropriate GAAP measure in the tables attached to our press release.

[Alex Brown, Director of Investor Relations at Pitney Bowes]

We have also provided a slide presentation and a spreadsheet with recast historical segment information on our Investor Relations website. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO Kurt Wolf.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Thank you, Alex, and thanks to everybody joining today's call. I'm here with Paul Evans, our newly appointed CFO, who will also participate in today's Q&A. A few quick comments on our new CFO. Paul has prior experience as a public company CEO and CFO and knows Pitney Bowes extremely well due to his previous service as a Board Member, Audit Committee Chair, and Value Enhancement Committee Chair. It's rare that a board member is willing to give up their seat to take an operating role, but Paul sees the same opportunities that I do and was eager to roll up his sleeves and get to work. Paul and I have a great history of working together dating back to our days on the GameStop board during that company's turnaround.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

We had tremendous success working there together, and I'm incredibly excited at the prospects of what we can do at Pitney Bowes. A quick note on the changes we've made to our earnings process. We are now issuing a short CEO letter to accompany our press release. This provides you with immediate context alongside our earnings press release rather than making you wait to hear pre-recorded commentary. This saves you time and will provide more time for questions, the latter of which is important as we are optimistic that we'll see significant growth in our research coverage over the coming months. Finally, this is a much more efficient process, and as with all things at Pitney Bowes, I'm striving to instill efficiency as a guiding principle of everything that we do. Next, I'd like to briefly touch on a few highlights from the quarter.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Our businesses continue to drive significant earnings and cash flow growth on a year-over-year basis. We continue to honor our commitment to return capital to shareholders by almost exhausting our $150 million share repurchase authorization and by increasing our dividend by $0.01 for the third quarter in a row. Additionally, the Board has increased our share repurchase authorization to $400 million. Given our strong free cash flow, liquidity position, and increased financial flexibility as a result of our adjusted leverage ratio now being below 3x, we are comfortable with our ability to aggressively repurchase shares at prices we believe to be attractive. During the quarter, we initiated the first phase of our strategic review, which is focused on internal improvements. This has yielded numerous opportunities for value creation, and I look forward to speaking about them on future calls. I'd like to conclude with an update on full year guidance.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

We reduced our revenue guidance range by $50 million, tightened our EBIT margin range by bringing down the high end of our range, reiterated our free cash flow guidance, and increased our EPS range by $0.10. The reduction in revenue guidance is largely due to decisions by prior management to accept customer losses rather than offer price concessions to at-risk Presort customers. These concessions would have allowed us to keep these customers, albeit at lower margins. I'm incredibly frustrated with this unforced error and we have addressed the issue. Reduction in the top end of our EBIT guidance is driven by the aforementioned loss of Presort customers, partially offset by continued improvements in execution across the entire organization. The increase in EPS is largely driven by our ongoing share repurchases. That concludes my comments and with that, Operator, please open the line for questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. At this time, we'll conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you'll need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Kartik Mehta of Northcoast Research. Your line is now open.

[Kartik Mehta, Executive Managing Director and Director of Research at Northcoast Research]

Hey, good afternoon, Kurt. Just going back to your comments on and execution of the share buyback. Obviously, we bought a significant amount of shares in the last 120 days. I'm wondering, with the new authorization, do you intend to continue buyback in 2025, or do you want to wait, make sure, you know, see how the business is performing, see what free cash flow is before re-engaging with the buyback?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah, Kartik, thank you for the question. What I can say is obviously we can't really comment on future activity and purchases in the market. What I can say is, I think the rate at which we've been purchasing shares historically, the prices at which we've been purchasing them, says something about where we see value in the company.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

It also points to the incentive structure that I negotiated for myself, which is based almost exclusively on options that don't begin, don't have strike prices of $12, $14, and $16. You have some idea of where I see value in the company. I can't comment on what we will do, but I'm sure you can infer from all of that maybe where we see value in the company. I'd also highlight that again with us getting under a 3.0 leverage ratio, we now have increased access to our restricted payments. Even if we go back above that 3.0, the fact that we've gotten below it essentially replenishes all of those baskets. Even if we didn't have the unrestricted access for being below 3.0, we still have roughly $300 million in those baskets that we can use.

[Kartik Mehta, Executive Managing Director and Director of Research at Northcoast Research]

Kurt, just on the strategic review, obviously you've been undertaking that for a while, as you said, since you became CEO, new CFO in the fold. I'm wondering, does that change the timing at all for the strategic review? If not, any commentary on when you think that might be finished and you might be finished with the process?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah, Kartik, on that, what I would say is I think Paul hopefully coming in accelerates, not slows down any sort of review. Paul and I have a great working relationship. Paul's been on the board for nine months and been heavily involved, so he knows the business very well, which is atypical for an incoming CFO. As I said, we work incredibly well together. As far as timing, we've conveyed it as a two-step process.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

The first step in the process is an internal review, and after we've completed that, we'd move on to the second half of the process. We're being incredibly thorough during this first step of the process as I've highlighted. First of all, two things I would say to that. One is as we're going through this, we're finding numerous opportunities to create value for shareholders. That's a great outcome of the process. Second of all, what I'd highlight is we all need to learn from our mistakes. In pointing to GEC as an example, that was a situation in which I would point to two problems we had in trying to grow that business. One, I don't think we operated efficiently enough as an overall company to be competitive in the logistics space.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

One of the things we need to address, regardless of how the second half of the strategic review goes, is we need to get far more efficient in how we operate and effective in how we operate secondarily. When we made that decision, part of the thinking, as far as I understand it, is that we would be able to take advantage of shared transportation between the two businesses, between Presort and GEC. That turned out not to be the case. Before we make any decisions, A, we need to figure out how we operate as effectively and efficiently as possible, and we need to understand our business to a level of granularity that we don't make any mistakes when we are determining how we're going to proceed or what is ultimately in the best interest of shareholders with respect to the company.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

As far as the timing question, realistically my guess is that the internal review will probably continue throughout the remainder of 2025, and then the full, the more fulsome review would begin at some point in 2026.

[Kartik Mehta, Executive Managing Director and Director of Research at Northcoast Research]

Perfect. Just one last question, Kurt. Just on the Presort business, it seems like you're taking a little bit different strategy than previous management as you indicated. Is the thought that maybe if you go after some of these larger customers with lower EBIT, that fell pressure margins, or are there opportunities to take costs out either through automation or other ways and be able to maintain margins in that business?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah, absolutely. I guess what I'd say is there's two ways to look at it. One is margin and one is dollars. To me, the most important thing is dollars.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

If we give up some percentage margin, as long as our EBIT dollars are going up, that's a win for everybody. As far as what the opportunity is, I guess what I would highlight, and I understand different perspectives on this issue, just what I would point to is we have a tremendous operation. We have a leader, Debbie Pfeiffer, who is, we believe, is peerless in terms of her ability to drive an efficient organization. I think you know our belief, and we have a lot of data that we look at. We believe we're the most efficient player in the space. We believe that we get mail to customers typically faster than many of our competitors. We believe our service levels are at the highest level.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

When we look at it, if there's a customer that we can't serve profitably, we don't think there's anybody else that can serve profitably. From that lens, there's not a customer that we shouldn't be able to get. There were situations in the past, and again, I understand different perspectives. Personally, I don't agree with the thought was that we were going to maintain our percentage margin and unfortunately, we lost some large customers that we, to my understanding, could have kept at a profitable level. It just would have maybe brought our margin percentage down, even though it would have been additive to revenue and to actual EBIT dollars.

[Kartik Mehta, Executive Managing Director and Director of Research at Northcoast Research]

Perfect. Thanks, Kurt. I really appreciate it. It makes sense. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Lebiedzinski of Sidoti. Your line is now open.

[Anthony Lebiedzinski, Senior Equity Analyst - Specialty Retail/Consumer at Sidoti]

Good afternoon and thank you for taking the questions. First on SendTech, in previous conference calls, you guys had talked about the shipping subsegment within SendTech, how that's grown. Can you give us an update how that's tracking so far this year? How do you see that shipping subsegment doing for the balance of the year?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Hey, Anthony. Yeah. Just to answer the question, but just something that everybody should be aware of, we did a recast of our shipping segment and what this involved is, as you recall, when we exited GEC, there was one piece of business that was profitable that is shipping related, unlike our core. Going forward, we'll talk about core Shipping and just Shipping overall. What the difference will be is that overall shipping will be core shipping plus this one relationship that we have in the shipping space. This business actually handles packages. It's not a software business, so it's very different than our core shipping software business. If you look at the overall shipping revenue, it was actually down 2.5% year-over- year for the quarter. However, that was due to significant declines in the non-core part of the business.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

If you strip out that one customer and that one relationship, which we'll continue to do on a quarterly basis, if you strip that out, we had 6% growth. It's not where we want to be. We're driving to make sure we're at double digits every quarter, but we did come in at about 6% for year-over-year growth for the quarter.

[Anthony Lebiedzinski, Senior Equity Analyst - Specialty Retail/Consumer at Sidoti]

Gotcha.

[Anthony Lebiedzinski, Senior Equity Analyst - Specialty Retail/Consumer at Sidoti]

Okay, thanks for that clarification. All right, as far as that, I was more interested in that SaaS piece, you know, shipping as a software. In terms of that business, do you still have a positive outlook on that, how that's going to grow going forward?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

No, the SaaS business continues to do very well. The growth there.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah. Okay.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah. Sorry, on the SaaS, just for the SaaS business itself, that was up 17% year-over-year for the quarter. Again, we expect that to continue to outpace the underlying core shipping revenue.

[Anthony Lebiedzinski, Senior Equity Analyst - Specialty Retail/Consumer at Sidoti]

Gotcha. Okay. All right, thanks for that. In terms of the Presort, in your letter, you talked about reversing the losses. Have you already been able to do that so far in the third quarter, or is this more of an expectation that you think you will be able to reverse the customer losses?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

What I would say is I think we're very close to starting to reverse some of those losses, but to this point, we've not reversed any of it yet.

[Anthony Lebiedzinski, Senior Equity Analyst - Specialty Retail/Consumer at Sidoti]

Gotcha. Okay. All right. The prior CEO was open to doing acquisitions in Presort. What is your view on that strategy?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

I mean, it's unbelievably attractive and we're constantly scanning the horizon for opportunities. I think every CEO has mentioned these acquisitions are completed at very low multiples. When they're brought into our system, as I mentioned, the level of efficiency we have is peerless in the industry, so that profitability shoots up significantly. They're just incredibly accretive to the business and we continue to pursue them every chance we get.

[Anthony Lebiedzinski, Senior Equity Analyst - Specialty Retail/Consumer at Sidoti]

Understood. Okay. All right. Just lastly, I guess more of a housekeeping question here. In terms of your increased EPS guidance, what are you guys assuming for the diluted share count for the back half and sort of full year?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah, I don't want to give that simply because it certainly gives some sense of where we are or where we think we may be in terms of share repurchases.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

If you take our EBIT guidance, apply an assumed interest rate, assumed tax rate, and then look at our EBIT guidance versus our EPS guidance, that probably gives you some sense of where we might be on a diluted share count, but I don't think.

[Anthony Lebiedzinski, Senior Equity Analyst - Specialty Retail/Consumer at Sidoti]

Okay.

[Anthony Lebiedzinski, Senior Equity Analyst - Specialty Retail/Consumer at Sidoti]

Okay, that sounds fair. All right, thank you very much and best of luck.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Thank you, Anthony.

[Operator]

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Swope of Baird. Your line is now open.

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

Thank you very much.

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

Kurt, could you talk about the management changes that have gone on? I think everybody's been a bit surprised. We knew you were deeply involved, but to see you step into the CEO role after Lance was made permanent in October, and then I know Bob was just made permanent in February.

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

Are the management changes tied to the unforced errors you referenced, or could you just talk more broadly about that and how we think about the management stability going forward?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Absolutely, yeah. Two things I'd say on that, and I'll just address the most recent change. The Board can speak to the change in CEO with respect to the CFO position. This in no way, the change in no way reflected on Bob. He's an excellent CFO. It's just, it's not often that I feel like we have an opportunity to bring in a talent like Paul. I think as you guys talk to him in the coming quarters, and I'm sure if there's any questions in his wheelhouse, he'll get to them today. It's not often we have an opportunity to get somebody like that into the organization. He and I have worked together for five years. We have a tremendous working relationship. We have the same values. We have the same focus within running a business in terms of creating urgency, creating discipline, data-driven decision making, et cetera.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

It was just, it's really a comment on the opportunity that we had to bring somebody of Paul's caliber. As I'm sure all of you can imagine, it's not often that a board member gives up a board seat for an executive role. I think, and I don't know if Paul wants to speak to it after this, but yeah, there's a tremendous opportunity. I think Paul sees it as well.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

But.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

The other thing I would just say before Paul maybe talks about what he's saying, I would just highlight that change has been a huge catalyst for value creation at Pitney Bowes. I know corporate America typically operates at a certain pace. My operating background was all at startups, so the rate at which I work, the rate of change that I pursue is very aggressive. Anytime there's an opportunity to create more value than the disruption causes, we're always going to seize that opportunity. I like to think that every change we've made has been significant value creation. I do recognize that people see a lot of change, and that's maybe not typical. With all that said, I really think it'd be great for Paul to talk about it because what he's done I think is pretty unusual and really speaks to the opportunity at Pitney Bowes.

[Paul Evans, CFO at Pitney Bowes]

Hi, Matt. Nice to meet you over the phone. Yeah. As I sat on the board and I've been on the board for nine months, I was the Audit and then BEC Chair, and I was deeply involved. At heart, I'm still an operator. I saw an opportunity to come alongside Kurt again. With an incredibly supportive board and incredibly talented management team, it seemed to be an easy decision for me, and all the things that the company has in front of them, it's something that's in my wheelhouse to do. I'm just really glad to be here and to accelerate returning this company to where it should be.

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

That's helpful. Thank you, Paul.

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

Nice to meet you as well, Kurt.

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

Do you see you and Paul in these roles for two years, three years?

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

I know it's hard to predict the future, but is this a permanent thing or is this a temporary sort of fix?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah. Yeah. Matthew, I can speak for myself. Paul can speak for him. I will serve as long as the Board and I both agree that I'm the best person for the job. As you know and probably everybody on this call knows, I have a tremendous amount of money invested in this company. There's nothing more important to me financially as well as just emotionally and from a commitment to success than seeing this company be successful. I like to believe that today I'm the right person for the job. I'm committed to it as long as I am the right person. If the path that we end up on is not suited to my skill set, then we'll bring in somebody who's better suited to run the company. For now, everything I've seen is that I'm committed as long as I'm the right person.

[Paul Evans, CFO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah, I guess to speak for myself, I don't have an end date. I'm going to be here until the job's done. I don't think the job's ever done. As long as the board will have me and Kurt will have me, I will be here.

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

I appreciate both of those. Kurt, I will say I do absolutely admire how much difference you have made in the company and very much respect how much you have invested in the company. You have absolutely put your money where your mouth is. Can I ask, as you go through the share buyback process, are you selling any of your personal shares or Hestia shares into the buyback?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

What I can say on that is any shares that I would execute would be filed by Form 4s. I think it's been quite some time since any Form 4s have been filed. I think it's pretty safe to assume that shares haven't been sold.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

I would just highlight as well that, you know, I did have a 10b5-1 in place and that did expire. At this point in time, I do not have a 10b5-1 in place for myself or for Hestia.

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

Gotcha. No, very helpful. Maybe I will take advantage of Paul's presence on the call as well. I'll put on my debt hat for a second. I was reading through, Kurt, in your letter when you talked about the potential refinancing of the bonds and the 2027 notes in particular, not becoming callable at par until March of next year. Can I just ask how you guys are looking at, as the high yield market is as wide open as I've seen it for a while? We're seeing lots of deals get done right now at levels that people didn't foresee as possible before. For whatever the call premium is right now, 1.7 points or so, do you think it might make sense to refinance those bonds earlier than that call date?

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

Maybe you would make up more than the savings on the coupon that you might get by refinancing in such a hot market?

[Paul Evans, CFO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah, I'll take that. Of course we're going to look at that. Look, I mean, my charge is I want to look at the average life of our debt. What's the coupon on our debt? Obviously, there's still some remnant restrictions that we need to clear ourselves to get back to the normal company that we are. Obviously, we're looking at our RCF, our TLA, our TLB, the 2027s. I mean, we have the liquidity. We could pay off the 2027s. We'll balance that against what's an appropriate level of leverage that a company like this should have. I mean, obviously you can see that we're generating a significant amount of free cash flow, and it's a good option to have. Certainly, how you described it is in our thought process.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

To add to that.

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

One plan.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

I'm sorry. No, just to add to that. This is one of the reasons I really appreciate working with Paul. We see things very similarly and play off each other very well. Retiring debt and issuing debt don't necessarily always have to coincide. Just because we're not currently contemplating calling the debt or potentially paying it off previously, if there's a timing mismatch, Paul and I have already been through if there's a timing mismatch in terms of the raising and potential raising and payoff of debt or the call provision going away, we're very, very value driven and it's just a simple mathematical calculation of what do we get on our cash, what are we paying up, and then what are we avoiding in terms of interest, premiums, or payments. It's a pretty simple calculation of at what price would you buy back your debt.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Hopefully that makes clear how we're thinking about it as well.

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

Nope, that's helpful. Maybe just one last one for me. You've been, you know, congratulations on getting to the three times earlier than you said you would. You mentioned it in your comments today, and it sounded like you might be comfortable going above three times leverage again.

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

Can you talk about that?

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

How much higher above three times would you be comfortable going? Would that be a new, higher level? Would that be for a temporary either acquisition or share buyback opportunity? Paul's brand new or at least new in this seat. How do you guys think about where leverage could go from here?

[Paul Evans, CFO at Pitney Bowes]

I mean, philosophically, could we go higher?

[Paul Evans, CFO at Pitney Bowes]

Sure, we could go higher.

[Paul Evans, CFO at Pitney Bowes]

To go higher and not have a use of that is not the best thing. We don't want to sit it on the balance sheet, a bunch of negative arb that we'll deal with, but we clearly could go higher. Your idea, your suggestion, would we go higher if there was an accretive acquisition in front of us? Of course we would. Right now we're sort of staying around the three times.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Paul and I have had this discussion as well. I think everybody at this company believes we could carry, not significantly, we could carry a ratio above 3.0 in terms of our leverage ratio. We think it could be higher. We recognize that us believing it and the market believing it are two different things. We have to be cognizant of the market and what the market wants. While we believe we can run at a higher level, we need to get the market to understand and see what we see and get confident in the future of the company, which also includes getting to revenue growth. I think we're confident we'll get there. Once the market sees that, I think the market will be much more receptive to us going above that 3.0. At that point, we would be more serious considering maybe increasing.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

At this point, we want to be sensitive to the market and what opportunities the market presents.

[Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird]

Thank you both very much for your time and look forward to working.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Thank you.

[Paul Evans, CFO at Pitney Bowes]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of David Steinhardt of Contrarian. Your line is now open.

[David Steinhardt, Managing Director and Portfolio Manager at Contrarian]

Hi, Paul.

[David Steinhardt, Managing Director and Portfolio Manager at Contrarian]

Welcome to the company, to the CFO role.

[David Steinhardt, Managing Director and Portfolio Manager at Contrarian]

I'm sure you've been instrumental as a Board member in the early innings of strategic review. How do you see the Presort business and SendTech business working hand in hand with each other?

[David Steinhardt, Managing Director and Portfolio Manager at Contrarian]

Are they potentially distinct businesses, or do ou still see benefits in them operating together under the Pitney Bowes roof?

[Paul Evans, CFO at Pitney Bowes]

I think I'll take a shot at that. As somebody who's just come off the board into management, holistically I see an opportunity how they can complement each other. I don't think that value has been recognized in our stock price, and there's definitely things to do there. I come to the table with those ideas, and Kurt and I work with the team on how to optimize those businesses.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

I guess I would just add to that, at least from my perspective. Half of my background is an entrepreneur. As an entrepreneur, you're constantly looking for opportunity. I think we've uncovered a lot of opportunity for synergies between the business, whether it's cross sales. One example, GFS potentially could offer value to Presort customers. That's not something we've historically done. The other half of me is an investor and I have seen a lot of companies think they're smarter than the market, think that they can do things that aren't necessarily easy to execute. I've been burned as an investor when companies don't know what they're doing and get ahead of themselves or get over their skis. I think we see a lot of opportunities to further create value between the businesses.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

At this point, there's nothing significant that we're evaluating, there's nothing significant on the horizon in terms of actual execution.

[David Steinhardt, Managing Director and Portfolio Manager at Contrarian]

Understood. This is more of a housekeeping question. In terms of the repurchase authorization increasing from $150 million to $400 million, is there an expiration in mind for that authorization?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah, I don't think there's any expiration tied to it.

[David Steinhardt, Managing Director and Portfolio Manager at Contrarian]

Understood.

[David Steinhardt, Managing Director and Portfolio Manager at Contrarian]

Thank you.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Thanks, David.

[Operator]

Thank you. One moment for our next question. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. Our next question comes from the line of Justin Dopierala of DOMO Capital Management. Your line is now open.

[Justin Dopierala, Founder and President at DOMO Capital Management]

Thank you. Hey, Kurt and Paul, congratulations on your appointments to CEO and CFO. It's fantastic having the GameStop dream team back together.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Thank you, Justin.

[Justin Dopierala, Founder and President at DOMO Capital Management]

I have several questions, but first of all, I just want to commend you on the very aggressive share repurchases that have been made, as well as a new plan you've announced. I mean, this is exactly what shareholders have wanted and speaks to how important it is to have a CEO that's a large shareholder so that everyone is appropriately aligned.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah, no, thank you.

[Justin Dopierala, Founder and President at DOMO Capital Management]

Yeah. Kurt, in your letter to shareholders, you mentioned expanding the coverage you receive from research analysts. Just wonder if you can provide some additional commentary around the importance of that.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah, appreciate the question. As you can imagine, we already have several companies covering us and we really value the coverage, but we believe we're doing something really special at this company. Right now we have three or four analysts covering us who can kind of spread the word, but the more we can grow that, the more people get to hear exactly what it is that we're doing. It just facilitates, I think of it as a sales funnel. In order to get an investor into the stock, first they have to get that first level of interest and want to put the time in to understand the company.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Having as much coverage as we can is just more opportunities for people that are looking at us when we cross the screen to reach out to somebody and get an initial understanding, decide if they want to delve further into it. I think it's particularly important for us because we are a bit of an anomaly in the stock market or a bit of an orphan, which I think is great because it leads to undervaluation and we can buy back stock. It's great in that perspective. At some point we do want full coverage of the company. When I say we're an orphan, of course, we don't have direct competitors to speak of, certainly not in the public market. Having that coverage just really helps attract people to at least spend the time to get to know the story.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

We're convinced once people understand the story that they'll be very interested in investing. We think it's really important for us.

[Justin Dopierala, Founder and President at DOMO Capital Management]

It makes a lot of sense. I know you haven't provided 2026 guidance, but is it safe to say that free cash flow of over $300 million a year going forward is sustainable?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah, we don't want to comment on that. We are very confident in the business, but we don't give guidance that far in advance. I do appreciate your question. No, that's not something we're answering at this time.

[Justin Dopierala, Founder and President at DOMO Capital Management]

All right.

[Justin Dopierala, Founder and President at DOMO Capital Management]

I know in the past you've talked about getting credit rating upgrades. Is that something you see is likely in the foreseeable future?

[Paul Evans, CFO at Pitney Bowes]

I mean, look, we're certainly going to go meet with the agencies. Obviously, they're lagging on our performance, and we'll talk to them about that. It's always helpful. It's not mandatory we get to investment grade, but it's certainly helpful with some. I bring a lot to bear on that back to my time at NRG in the 1990s. I've got a long track record with them, so I look forward to sitting down with them and telling them why they're lagging on our rating.

[Justin Dopierala, Founder and President at DOMO Capital Management]

Got it.

[Justin Dopierala, Founder and President at DOMO Capital Management]

You know, I know you guys have talked a lot about Presort and what happened during the quarter. I just want to ask, can you confirm that there's no signs of structural weakness in the business at all there?

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Yeah. I guess what I can say is we obviously don't share internal, you know, internal numbers. I would just say that I believe about 90% of the reduction we see is tied directly to Presort, which is almost entirely driven by competitive losses that we otherwise could have kept. Again, like I said, it's incredibly frustrating. This was an unforced error, and were it not for that, we would not be changing our revenue guidance and then our EBIT guidance as well. We've been doing a great job driving efficiencies throughout the organization. Clearly these would have been at lower margins, but they still would have generated EBIT. It really was just an unforced error. Presort as well as SendTech are incredibly strong businesses.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

The margins, the profitability, our ability to compete, and again, debt, and I don't know, over time we really want to introduce our business leaders to the broader investment community. We think we have some great leaders, Debbie being amongst them. She's going out, going and pounding the pavement, trying to win back customers and also gain new customers. The one advantage we have for us is we're essentially the low cost provider in the industry. If we're aggressive on sales, we should be able to continue to take share.

[Justin Dopierala, Founder and President at DOMO Capital Management]

Gotcha. This last one's a little bit long. I don't know if you'll be able to answer, but I did see some kind of commentary in your letter as well. Long story short is there's some local news today in Milwaukee with Harley-Davidson doing a strategic partnership with KKR and PIMCO, which sent the shares rocketing higher. They're unlocking over $1 billion of cash by transforming their financial services business into a capital-light financing business. What they're doing is selling the existing and future retail loans, but they're not giving up control. The Harley-Davidson Financial Services segment seems to have a lot of parallels with the Pitney Bowes Bank. I don't know if you've seen this yet or are able to answer, but I was just curious if you think you'd have a similar opportunity to unlock value in the same way for Pitney Bowes Bank.

[Paul Evans, CFO at Pitney Bowes]

What you've hit on is one of the reasons I wanted to come alongside Kurt. I think it's an incredibly undervalued asset and the opportunity we have to bring value to our shareholders. I mean, that's a template that you have out there and I'm sure folks will be calling us on that. We're aware of it, we're studying it and I would just say just stay tuned.

[Justin Dopierala, Founder and President at DOMO Capital Management]

Fantastic. Thank you.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

Any more questions, Justin? Okay, great. At this point, I don't see any more questions in the queue, so we'll just wrap it up and I'll just end by saying again, my first 70 days at Pitney Bowes have been fantastic. Some of the things I've learned is we have an amazing team here. I always knew just how great our businesses were. I think they're very underappreciated for the quality of the businesses, but it's become even more apparent just the quality of the team here. As we continue to build the leadership team here at the company, I think we continue to push hard on pushing through changes, driving growth and really moving the company forward. It's just incredibly encouraging, just the commitment that our employees have to the company, which is, I think, pretty unique. I was an ex-consultant who worked at a lot of companies.

[Kurt Wolf, CEO at Pitney Bowes]

It's rare that you see a company that has employees this dedicated to the company. I'm incredibly excited for us to be able to talk to the employees about here's our path forward, because it's a group of individuals that once they know what it is that we're going out to do, I would put them up against anybody in terms of willingness to do the hard work for the good of the company. I think all shareholders should feel very encouraged that they have such a great group of employees at the company that they are owners of. Thank you everyone.

[Operator]

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Kurt Wolf, CEO
• Alex Brown, Director of Investor Relations

Analysts

• Paul Evans, CFO at Pitney Bowes
• Kartik Mehta, Executive Managing Director and Director of Research at Northcoast Research
• Matthew Swope, Managing Director and Analyst/Strategist at Baird
• Anthony Lebiedzinski, Senior Equity Analyst - Specialty Retail/Consumer at Sidoti
• David Steinhardt, Managing Director and Portfolio Manager at Contrarian
• Justin Dopierala, Founder and President at DOMO Capital Management