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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Cosan EPS ResultsActual EPS-$1.61Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ACosan Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.74 billionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACosan Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2025Date2/14/2026TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateN/AConference Call TimeN/AConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress ReleaseAnnual Report (20-F)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Cosan Q4 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMarch 10, 2026 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Cosan materially strengthened its balance sheet in 2025, raising over BRL 22 billion from capital markets and ending the year with a BRL 16 billion cash position while reporting expanded net debt of BRL 9.8 billion, down nearly BRL 14 billion. Negative Sentiment: Full-year performance weakened as managed EBITDA fell to BRL 26.5 billion (driven mainly by Raízen and Radar) and Cosan SA reported an adjusted net loss of BRL 4 billion, reflecting lower equity income from subsidiaries. Negative Sentiment: Raízen’s capital-structure solution is still under negotiation — Cosan is not participating in the current capitalization terms, creditors (and Shell/Água Santa) remain engaged, and separation of Raízen’s businesses is being discussed as part of a potential definitive restructuring. Positive Sentiment: Operationally some businesses improved — Rumo delivered higher volumes and a 4% EBITDA rise, Compass showed volume and recurring EBITDA growth (11%), and Moove recovered full production capacity and recognized a BRL 934 million insurance indemnity. Neutral Sentiment: Management reiterated a strategic plan to completely eliminate holding-company leverage over time (no fixed timeline), pursue targeted asset recycling when valuations are attractive, and has begun holdco cost reductions (≈40–45 fewer staff) alongside a planned Compass secondary offering. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCosan Q4 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone, and thank you for waiting. Welcome to Cosan's Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Release Conference Call. Simultaneous translation will be available during the session by clicking on Interpretation, the button with a globe at the bottom of the screen, and choosing your preferred language, Portuguese or English. If you are listening to the conference call in English, you have the option to mute the original audio in Portuguese by clicking on Mute Original Audio. The conference call is being recorded and will be available on the company's IR website at cosan.com.br. During the company's presentation, attendees will be on a listen-only mode. The Q&A session will begin once the presentation is concluded. Operator00:00:55Please note that the information contained in this presentation and in statements that may be made during the conference call regarding Cosan's business prospects, projections, and operating and financial goals are based on beliefs and assumptions of the company's executive board, as well as information currently available. Forward-looking considerations are not a guarantee of performance as they involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, and refer to future events that may depend on circumstances that may or may not materialize. Investors should bear in mind that overall economic circumstances, market conditions, and other operating factors may affect Cosan's future performance and lead to results that differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements. I'll now turn it over to Mr. Fernando Tinel. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:01:47Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Cosan's Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:01:57I'd like to begin by drawing your attention to our standard disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements, estimates, and projections that may be discussed during this conference call. Turning to the next slide, I will start the presentation with Cosan's financial highlights. Managed EBITDA totaled BRL 7.8 billion in the quarter, broadly in line with Q4 2024. For the full year, managed EBITDA reached BRL 26.5 billion, representing a decline compared to 2024, mainly driven by RaÃzen and Radar, as we will discuss in more detail later. Moving to the next item, Cosan SA reported an adjusted net loss of BRL 0.7 billion in the quarter, primarily driven by improved financial results. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:02:50On a full year basis, the company posted an adjusted net loss of BRL 4 billion, explained mainly by lower equity income from our businesses, particularly due to the weaker performance of RaÃzen's ESB, sugar, ethanol, and bioenergy segment. Regarding dividends and interest on equity received, we recorded BRL 479 million in the quarter, primarily from Compass and Radar. For the full year of 2025, total cash received amounted to BRL 2.6 billion compared to BRL 4.3 billion in 2024. This decrease reflects the absence of dividends from Moove in what was an atypical year for the company, as well as a lower contribution from Compass, given that 2024 included an extraordinary distribution related to the reversal of a tax provision, ICMS subsidy at Comgás. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:03:51Now turning to our leverage metrics, starting this quarter, we began reporting expanded net debt, which includes local debt, bonds, and the preferred equity structure of Cosan Dez. Expanded net debt decreased to BRL 9.8 billion, a reduction of nearly BRL 14 billion, which we will discuss in more detail later. From a DSCR perspective, and considering a trailing twelve-month analysis, we continue to capture elevated financial expenses as well as the phase out of dividends previously paid by Compass. As a result, the indicator declined over the year, closing at 0.9 times. To conclude our highlights, I'd like to point out the improvement in our safety indicator this quarter, which showed a significant reduction compared to the previous quarter. There were no fatalities, and the results reiterate our strong commitment to safety, which remains a non-negotiable value across all of our operations. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:04:53Moving to the next slide, we present the operational performance of our businesses. Starting with Rumo, we reported higher transported volumes, supported by a strong commercial effort and a very disciplined cost management approach. As a result, there was an upturn in EBITDA despite the challenging year, and we delivered a 4% increase compared to 2024. At Compass, I would like to highlight the increase in gas distribution volumes over the year, which was driven by the residential segment and supported by a solid pace of new connections, milder temperatures that extended throughout much of 2025, and improved performance in the commercial segment, particularly the food service sector. At Edge, we reported higher volumes marketed to the free market, reaffirming the significant opportunity that exists in Brazil's free gas market. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:05:50For the year, the company delivered EBITDA in line with 2024, and on a recurring basis, Compass achieved 11% EBITDA growth. At Moove, the quarter was marked by a greater market share in Brazil, which reached 14.5% for the year according to IBP data, despite the decrease in total global volume sold. The recovery pace of Brazil's industrial capacity, now operating under a multi-site configuration, was the key operational highlight and a critical factor in advancing the execution of the plan to enhance the new ecosystem implemented after the fire. Lastly, we recognized BRL 934 million in our financial statements related to the full receipt of the insurance indemnity. Financial performance was solid, as evidenced by the 2025 EBITDA, which came in slightly above 2024 levels. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:06:53At RaÃzen, the year was characterized by lower property sales volume and a portfolio revaluation with more moderate growth, as expected, which resulted in EBITDA being 6% lower than the prior period. Finally, at RaÃzen, fuel distribution was the highlight of the quarter, with volume and margin expansion in Brazil driven by strong commercial efforts, disciplined cost management, and government support in addressing illegal players, as well as the performance recovery in Argentina following maintenance shutdowns. On the other hand, crushing pace was slower and sugar prices were lower, which resulted in Adjusted EBITDA declining by 2% on a quarter-on-quarter basis despite the improvement in distribution. Next, we present a summary of the most relevant transactions executed throughout 2025, which played a key role in strengthening our capital structure. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:07:51In the first half of the year, we completed the sale of our stake in Vale, raising BRL 9 billion, which was fully allocated to debt prepayments. In September 2025, we announced public equity offerings anchored by BTG Pactual and Perfin Infra, which injected BRL 10.5 billion into Cosan's cash position. In December 2025, we carried out a partial sale of Rumo shares in conjunction with the execution of a total return swap, in addition to the renegotiation of the preferred equity structure at Cosan Dez. Altogether, these transactions generated more than BRL 22 billion from capital markets with a clear focus on reducing the company's leverage. Turning to debt management, we made significant progress this quarter, reducing expanded net debt to BRL 9.8 billion. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:08:49This result reflects the liability management initiatives carried out throughout 2025, combined with the company's capitalization process. The DSCR decreased by 0.1x in the quarter, driven by the lower dividend levels received on a trailing twelve-month basis and still elevated financial expenses. Regarding the amortization schedule, we present a pro forma view already reflecting the prepayment transactions announced in January and February 2026, which will further reduce the company's gross debt by more than BRL 6.2 billion. At quarter end, the average cost of debt stood at CDI + 0.97%, representing a 43 basis point reduction compared to the fourth quarter 2024, while the average maturity remained stable at 5.8 years. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:09:47On the next slide, and as we move toward the conclusion of our presentation, we provide a managerial view of cash movements, highlighting the main sources of liquidity, particularly the capitalization at Cosan and the Rumo transaction, as well as the corresponding uses of cash, closing the year with a cash position of BRL 16 billion. This concludes our earnings presentation. Thank you all very much for joining us. Operator00:10:14We will now begin the Q&A session with Mr. Marcelo Martins, Mr. Rafael Bergman, and Mr. Fernando Tinel. To ask questions, please click on the Raise Hand icon at the bottom of the screen to join the queue. When your name is announced, a prompt to activate your microphone will appear on the screen. Please unmute your microphone and proceed with your question. We kindly request that attendees limit their questions to one. Operator00:10:44If you are listening to the conference call in English, please ask your questions in writing by clicking on the Q&A button. Questions in writing sent via the Q&A button will be answered after the conference by Cosan's IR team. A survey regarding the earnings presentation for the fourth quarter 2025 is available by scanning the QR code on the screen. Please take the time to answer it and help us improve our future earnings release presentations. Thank you. The first question is from Mr. Gabriel Barra from Citi. You may proceed, Mr. Barra. Gabriel BarraAnalyst at Citi00:11:22Hello, everyone. Good morning. Good morning, Marcelo, Rafael, Tinel. We can only ask one question, and one of the things we've been discussing with investors about Cosan that has led to a lot of questions is the future and RaÃzen's capital structure. Gabriel BarraAnalyst at Citi00:11:43Recently, there have been some material facts about a potential capitalization, a discussion with bond holders and the company's credit. My question is a bit more encompassing. Could you tell us a bit more about the conversations with Shell? What are you thinking about RaÃzen, the portfolio, de-leveraging the company, and Cosan's focus on making the company more resilient on the balance sheet side? If you could give us some updates, and how are you thinking about strategy with regards to RaÃzen? Thank you. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:12:28Hi. Good morning, Barra. Thank you for the question. Let me take the opportunity to answer your question just to recap things a bit. As the market knows, we have been saying this very openly and publicly. We have been in conversations to find a solution for RaÃzen's capital structure for a while now. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:12:56Everyone knows that we made a huge effort to deal with Cosan's capital structure last year. That was a priority because we were concerned that there may have been some contamination from RaÃzen circumstances to Cosan. Every step we took last year from capitalization to all the liability management moves were to protect Cosan first, so that there was no question about that, and at the same time to address the capital structure of our main businesses. On the way to get here, and in going through this capitalization, there have been many conversations, and they half the time they required conversations about RaÃzen. When we concluded the capitalization with the current partners, something that was made very clear was how we were going to address RaÃzen's circumstances from now on. One of the main negotiation points were that we should prioritize Cosan's leveraging. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:14:05In looking for a solution for RaÃzen, that should not have an impact on resolving Cosan's capital structure. We made it very clear to the market that we had a considerable limitation despite our willingness to provide funds to RaÃzen, but we would be limited to a certain amount of funds that were contributed when capital was increased. We made all the assumptions clear to the market because we knew that because of that statement, there would have been questions about how feasible it would be for Cosan to match Shell one-to-one in a capital increase at RaÃzen. We spent at least the last six months discussing this very actively. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:15:06If you consider my time in the last six months, at least 70%-80% of that has been spent on discussing RaÃzen, which goes to show how important the company is, but also how engaged we are in trying to find a way out, even considering our capital contribution limitations. We did raise many alternatives. We brought them to the table in the last six months. Actually, even before that, we were discussing options, and those options were assessed by the partners, especially Shell, and especially in the last couple of months, and we couldn't come to an agreement about what Cosan's stake would be. In the last month, we were able to at least match a capital commitment. Shell made it clear that there would be a limitation on their side. They were flexible on Cosan's matching them one-to-one. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:16:10The way we got to an alternative meant that there would be a limitation on our making a contribution according to the terms that are being discussed now. First, because that capital contribution wouldn't have been enough for us to have a capital structure without a conversion level that is being debated, and we also consider separating the businesses and maybe selling a stake in one of them. We looked into all of that. Conversations were very intense, as I said, until we got to a point that the structure that should be shared with the market wouldn't include Cosan's participation based on the terms that were defined for these discussions with the market. That was informed to the market. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:17:05A material fact was published last week, and the terms of the negotiation with the creditors were discussed at a very high level, and those discussions are ongoing. They are progressing, and Cosan is not taking that much of a part at the moment because of the non-capital contribution considering the current structure. What we believe in is that creditors are highly engaged, including Shell. There's also Ãgua Santa making a considerable contribution. That led to a well-structured conversation with creditors, and we believe that that should lead to progress and a satisfactory solution for the market that will resolve RaÃzen's problem once and for all. There are two main points. The solution has to be definitive, and we do believe that there is that possibility. The capital structure that comes from that definitive solution has to be suitable for the different businesses in the company. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:18:20That is also being discussed. They're very different businesses, as you all know. Their cash generation is very different, and they require different capital structures. That will be vital so that we can have a sustainable company. We're not directly involved right now because we're not gonna take part in the capitalization. But as shareholders and board members, we have been monitoring how things are progressing, and in the next few weeks we should have some news concerning the plan to find the right solution for the company. Gabriel BarraAnalyst at Citi00:19:02Great, Marcelo. Thank you for the answer. Operator00:19:07The next question is from TiThiago Duarte from BTG Pactual. Please go ahead, Mr. Duarte. Thiago DuarteManaging Director and Senior Equity Analyst at BTG Pactual00:19:15Hello, good morning. Hi, Marcelo, Rafa. Pleasure to talk to you. Thiago DuarteManaging Director and Senior Equity Analyst at BTG Pactual00:19:22If possible, Marcelo and Rafa, could you talk about what was discussed with the market at the end of the capitalization at the end of last year? In light of this quarter's results, could you also focus on one of the topics, which is efficiency gains and expense reductions at the holdco level, which was BRL 88 million. Are you looking at gaining any efficiency at that specific line item? Also, I know you asked us to ask a single question, but I also want to ask about Moove. Can you tell us, can you give us some visibility on whether the plant will be going back to production after the fire and how they're gonna build up their capacity at that plant? Thank you. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:20:31Hi, Tiago. Good morning. This is Rafael. I'll take your questions. We'll start with the second one about Moove. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:20:38The first point is to make it clear about production capacity. Moove has recovered its capacity completely, 100%. The challenge that Moove has been facing and has been addressing satisfactorily has to do with a new logistics strategy and a multi-site strategy to recover margins in terms of efficiency. In terms of volume, we have resumed our full capacity, and that has allowed Moove to also recover its market share, which is a key sign of the recovery. Now, going into 2026 will pose challenges in terms of costs to Moove because of inefficiencies that were created due to the need to change strategy. We won't start 2026 at historical profitability levels that we've had, especially in 2023 and 2024. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:21:50That is Moove's objective for the year, to gradually go back to its historical profit levels, and that will happen by addressing remaining inefficiencies, focusing on a premium mix of products, high-quality services, which is what Moove has been delivering. It does have a fantastic record, as you have seen over time. That's what we'll start doing in 2026, and the team obviously is very excited with this, with the prospect, coming out of a very tough year, but also proving that the team's resilience and adaptability. Now, as for our commitment when we capitalized the company and the decisions we made, we've been very consistent. I like that expression, to walk the talk. In terms of efficiency, the fourth quarter hasn't shown any relevant gains yet. We've just started making the changes in the fourth quarter. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:23:02The most relevant to the structure have already been made in terms of the size of the team. We have 40-45 fewer people at the holdco. There's also a matter of efficiency and discussing the scope for the holding company at this point in time. You know, it will no longer be to go into new businesses because the partners that have come into Cosan have members that have been appointed to the company's operating board. The holding company's role is being adapted to make sure that the new partners' contributions can happen directly at the operating company. This is an ongoing journey. It's happening gradually, but it is very deliberate. Now, one of the main aspects that were discussed is that the capitalization was not the end of that story. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:24:06In fact, it is the beginning, the first step of that journey, that deleveraging journey, because the intention is to materially deleverage Cosan. The capitalization has helped considerably, but now we will continue to talk about the portfolio as we have shared with you. More concretely in terms of the intention of that process, I mean, it's a very short period of time that we've been able to mobilize, not only Cosan's team, but Compass' team to start the secondary public offering of shares. I can't talk about that because of the silent period, but I just want to reiterate the intention and the commitment of this broader strategy to simplify and deleverage the holding company, because we believe that's the best way to create value for our shareholders. Thiago DuarteManaging Director and Senior Equity Analyst at BTG Pactual00:25:06Excellent, Rafael. Thank you. Operator00:25:10The next question is from Matheus Enfeldt from UBS. Please go ahead. Matheus EnfeldtAnalyst at UBS00:25:19Hello, Marcelo, Rafa, Tinel. Matheus EnfeldtAnalyst at UBS00:25:21Thank you for your time. If we can focus on the holding company strategy as a follow-up to the previous question, what is the end game of deleveraging the company, and how quickly do you wanna do that? Because the holding company is going now to 2x the Debt Service Coverage Ratio. What is the end goal in the short term? Do you wanna get to 4x the Debt Service Coverage Ratio? Do you wanna cut the debt by half? When do you think the HoldCo will get to the level you want for the HoldCo in the short term and also considering a long-term portfolio for Cosan? Thank you. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:26:17Hi, Matheus. This is Marcelo. Well, our objective is to bring the holding company's debt to zero because that leverage doesn't make any sense. In the past, we could justify it by expanding the portfolio. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:26:35There were also leveraging issues for control purposes, but that's no longer on the table because the portfolio is ready. We're now cleaning up our structure to become more efficient, as Rafa said, but our main goal is to bring the holding company's leverage down to zero at some point. When do we think that's gonna happen? After we have executed our strategy to divest some of our assets efficiently, because we need to optimize the sale of interest in our portfolio so that we can intelligently get to our end goal by building value. There's no date to bring the leveraging to zero. Obviously, we want to create more efficiency, get to an acceptable level of Debt Service Coverage Ratio. We're not there yet, but we believe we will be there soon when we start to implement our deleveraging strategy. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:27:53There's also market conditions that is key to be able to deleverage, and within the portfolio as a whole, we will consider our options. Now let me just make it clear again. At this point in time, we're not saying that a specific asset is to be sold to bring that leverage down to zero. Nothing like that is happening. We're not talking about selling anything significant from any business in the portfolio. I just wanna make that point very clear to the market. Having announced the Compass public offering, then we'll do it when the time is right. When we have defined things, we will share it with the market, how we're gonna do it, where the funds are gonna come from, and how the process is going to take place. We're just beginning the process, and we will keep the market informed. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:28:54The key message is the holding company, as it was, doesn't make sense anymore. We will be making the system more efficient, as Rafael said, and we will reduce leverage and execute on sale of interest when the time is right, depending on the amounts that are on the table to affect those transactions. No shareholders are pressuring us to come to a deal at any price. That's a key point because I hear a lot of speculation in the market that we're gonna sell X% of one company or another company, and it feels like we're gonna sell assets for an amount that doesn't make sense so that we can deleverage quickly. That doesn't make sense, and it's not being done, and it's not gonna be done. I just wanna make that very clear. We are still committed to bring leveraging down to zero. That is key. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:29:53We have made that commitment. That's one of the reasons why we're not investing any funds at RaÃzen, because that is our priority. We want to get to our end goal in a timely fashion but effectively. Can I ask a follow-up question, Marcelo? Matheus EnfeldtAnalyst at UBS00:30:11Is that something that is not on the table being discussed to that end goal or something that you have already decided that is not gonna happen? In terms of assets that won't be sold, do you mean? Matheus EnfeldtAnalyst at UBS00:30:24Yeah. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:30:24No. We're not excluding any assets at all right now, but we're not prioritizing any assets either, as the media has been speculating recently. I just want to deny the fact that we have decided on an asset that will be sold partially or completely to deal with the leveraging issue. That information is wrong. Cosan does not have that goal right now. Matheus EnfeldtAnalyst at UBS00:30:55Thank you. Thank you for clarifying. Operator00:30:57The next question is from Regis Cardoso from XP. Please go ahead, Mr. Cardoso. Regis CardosoAnalyst at XP00:31:06Good morning, Marcelo, Bergman and Tinel. My question is about what you've just said, Marcelo. There have been lots of news recently about potentially selling Rumo, and the price of shares are undervalued. Could you comment, because Rumo. How does Rumo fit in your divestment process? You have shares that are associated to a shareholders agreement. Were they not associated to them? If you could elaborate a bit more on what will make sense. How far will Cosan go? How far won't it go? What are the boundary conditions? Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:32:06Hi, Regis. There have been no changes to our governance. Things are as they always have been. There are some potential interested parties, and they're trying to create rumors in the market to bring prices down. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:32:23Just to make it clear, we are not thinking about this operation that was in the media yesterday. Absolutely not. Which doesn't mean we might not consider selling a stake in Rumo. As I said, we'll consider selling stakes in assets in a timely fashion. We'll do it when the time is right, when the structure is right, when the time is right to execute on that strategy. That strategy is progressing. Nothing has been defined on specific percentages of any businesses to be sold. This current speculation that we are involved in selling our full stake in Rumo is wrong. That is not true. I just want to make it very clear to the market again. Regis CardosoAnalyst at XP00:33:22Thank you, Marcelo. Operator00:33:24The next question is from Bruno Amorim from Goldman Sachs. Bruno, please go ahead. Bruno AmorimEquity Analyst at Goldman Sachs00:33:32Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. Bruno AmorimEquity Analyst at Goldman Sachs00:33:39My question is to Bergman. Could you remind us about the debt foreign exchange hedging policy? In the release, you said that one of the measures to reduce that was the impact of the FX variation. Could you talk about your hedging strategy if that debt that's pegged to the US dollar has been fully hedged, and if looking forward, we'll continue to see the impact of the foreign exchange and mark to market on lines, any other lines of the P&L. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:34:15Hi, Bruno. Thank you for the question. Well, going back to our strategy to reduce leveraging, that was a repayment of the debt that had a higher cost and that weren't as interesting to the company. So in doing that, we repaid some debentures and 3 bonds here at Cosan. Right now, we don't have the exposure of those 3 bonds. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:34:49What the exposure that's left in foreign currency is the perpetual bonds, which we're all familiar with. What we have been doing in terms of foreign exchange hedging is the three-year FX protection. We don't hedge the principal fully. That's the policy, and we've been having satisfactory results in terms of being tolerant to any fluctuations because that's a perpetual debt, so we don't have a specific timeline to deal with it. It's been working for Cosan, so that's my answer to your question for the time being. Bruno AmorimEquity Analyst at Goldman Sachs00:35:33Great. Thank you. Have a good day. Operator00:35:36The next question is from Bruno Montanari, Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead, Bruno. Bruno MontanariAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:35:45Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. If we can go back to what Marcelo said about not selling your full stakes in one single asset. Bruno MontanariAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:35:58Are you thinking of a minimum stake that you'd like to hold at each of your assets? In terms of RaÃzen, would spinning off the business be a non-negotiable for you before going ahead with any thing you might do in restructuring RaÃzen? Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:36:34I'm not sure I understood your question, Bruno. Could you ask it again? Bruno MontanariAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:36:39Separating the businesses. Does that have to happen for you to continue to restructure RaÃzen in your negotiations with Shell? Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:36:56Bruno, the reason why we're not taking part is because we believe the structure that was presented, and that will have to be discussed and approved over time, wouldn't fully solve RaÃzen's capital structure issues. Not separating the businesses is a problem for us. What does that mean? Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:37:24Separating the businesses means that the businesses would have to have separate capital structures because they have separate cash generation, and obviously their capital allocation nature is also different. To us, for the business to be sustainable and efficient, that would have to happen. We're not saying that is a non-negotiable condition, because right now Cosan is not contributing any capital, so we can't impose any conditions that Shell or creditors would have to accept. We're not gonna go over anything that's acceptable to Shell and the creditors. What we are discussing is what Cosan would believe to be suitable in terms of capital structure and a permanent solution for RaÃzen's leveraging issue that would justify Cosan going in, considering all of Cosan's restrictions and limitation on fund availability for the time being. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:38:31As to your other question, we haven't defined a minimum stake that we wanna keep for each of the businesses. If market conditions are right, if there is an actual interest and the multiples are suitable for a specific asset, then we can sell a considerable stake in a business. Now, if those are not the terms, then we will definitely not sell any stake in any business. Any speculation about the size of any divestment in whatever business is wrong, because we have not formally started any process that might mean we're gonna sell X, Y, or Z stake at any of the assets. Right now we are considering every single business as a potential target to be sold partially, but we haven't defined which business will be sold at what percentage. Bruno MontanariAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:39:34That was very clear, thank you. Operator00:39:42The next question is from Lucas Ferreira from JPMorgan. You may proceed, Mr. Ferreira. Lucas FerreiraEquity Research Analyst at J.P. Morgan00:39:50Hi, good morning. About Radar, could you give us an update on. You have moved towards divestments. Have there been any conversations, any progress in those negotiations? Because that's a considerable divestment for the current size of the debt. So any updates? Thank you. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:40:17Hi, Lucas. We're still recycling the portfolio. We're continuing with our management. That's part of Pedro's routine. As Marcelo said, obviously we're looking into the portfolio to see if there are any accretive opportunities for Cosan's shareholders, considering what might be relevant over time. There are no concrete news for the time being, and whenever there are any, we will share it with the market. Thank you. Lucas FerreiraEquity Research Analyst at J.P. Morgan00:40:58Thanks, Rafael. Operator00:41:03This concludes the Q&A session and Cosan's fourth quarter 2025 earnings release video conference. Operator00:41:17For further questions, please contact the investor relations department. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone, and thank you for waiting. Welcome to Cosan's Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Release Conference Call. Simultaneous translation will be available during the session by clicking on Interpretation, the button with a globe at the bottom of the screen, and choosing your preferred language, Portuguese or English. If you are listening to the conference call in English, you have the option to mute the original audio in Portuguese by clicking on Mute Original Audio. The conference call is being recorded and will be available on the company's IR website at cosan.com.br. During the company's presentation, attendees will be on a listen-only mode. The Q&A session will begin once the presentation is concluded. Operator00:00:55Please note that the information contained in this presentation and in statements that may be made during the conference call regarding Cosan's business prospects, projections, and operating and financial goals are based on beliefs and assumptions of the company's executive board, as well as information currently available. Forward-looking considerations are not a guarantee of performance as they involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, and refer to future events that may depend on circumstances that may or may not materialize. Investors should bear in mind that overall economic circumstances, market conditions, and other operating factors may affect Cosan's future performance and lead to results that differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements. I'll now turn it over to Mr. Fernando Tinel. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:01:47Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Cosan's Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:01:57I'd like to begin by drawing your attention to our standard disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements, estimates, and projections that may be discussed during this conference call. Turning to the next slide, I will start the presentation with Cosan's financial highlights. Managed EBITDA totaled BRL 7.8 billion in the quarter, broadly in line with Q4 2024. For the full year, managed EBITDA reached BRL 26.5 billion, representing a decline compared to 2024, mainly driven by RaÃzen and Radar, as we will discuss in more detail later. Moving to the next item, Cosan SA reported an adjusted net loss of BRL 0.7 billion in the quarter, primarily driven by improved financial results. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:02:50On a full year basis, the company posted an adjusted net loss of BRL 4 billion, explained mainly by lower equity income from our businesses, particularly due to the weaker performance of RaÃzen's ESB, sugar, ethanol, and bioenergy segment. Regarding dividends and interest on equity received, we recorded BRL 479 million in the quarter, primarily from Compass and Radar. For the full year of 2025, total cash received amounted to BRL 2.6 billion compared to BRL 4.3 billion in 2024. This decrease reflects the absence of dividends from Moove in what was an atypical year for the company, as well as a lower contribution from Compass, given that 2024 included an extraordinary distribution related to the reversal of a tax provision, ICMS subsidy at Comgás. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:03:51Now turning to our leverage metrics, starting this quarter, we began reporting expanded net debt, which includes local debt, bonds, and the preferred equity structure of Cosan Dez. Expanded net debt decreased to BRL 9.8 billion, a reduction of nearly BRL 14 billion, which we will discuss in more detail later. From a DSCR perspective, and considering a trailing twelve-month analysis, we continue to capture elevated financial expenses as well as the phase out of dividends previously paid by Compass. As a result, the indicator declined over the year, closing at 0.9 times. To conclude our highlights, I'd like to point out the improvement in our safety indicator this quarter, which showed a significant reduction compared to the previous quarter. There were no fatalities, and the results reiterate our strong commitment to safety, which remains a non-negotiable value across all of our operations. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:04:53Moving to the next slide, we present the operational performance of our businesses. Starting with Rumo, we reported higher transported volumes, supported by a strong commercial effort and a very disciplined cost management approach. As a result, there was an upturn in EBITDA despite the challenging year, and we delivered a 4% increase compared to 2024. At Compass, I would like to highlight the increase in gas distribution volumes over the year, which was driven by the residential segment and supported by a solid pace of new connections, milder temperatures that extended throughout much of 2025, and improved performance in the commercial segment, particularly the food service sector. At Edge, we reported higher volumes marketed to the free market, reaffirming the significant opportunity that exists in Brazil's free gas market. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:05:50For the year, the company delivered EBITDA in line with 2024, and on a recurring basis, Compass achieved 11% EBITDA growth. At Moove, the quarter was marked by a greater market share in Brazil, which reached 14.5% for the year according to IBP data, despite the decrease in total global volume sold. The recovery pace of Brazil's industrial capacity, now operating under a multi-site configuration, was the key operational highlight and a critical factor in advancing the execution of the plan to enhance the new ecosystem implemented after the fire. Lastly, we recognized BRL 934 million in our financial statements related to the full receipt of the insurance indemnity. Financial performance was solid, as evidenced by the 2025 EBITDA, which came in slightly above 2024 levels. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:06:53At RaÃzen, the year was characterized by lower property sales volume and a portfolio revaluation with more moderate growth, as expected, which resulted in EBITDA being 6% lower than the prior period. Finally, at RaÃzen, fuel distribution was the highlight of the quarter, with volume and margin expansion in Brazil driven by strong commercial efforts, disciplined cost management, and government support in addressing illegal players, as well as the performance recovery in Argentina following maintenance shutdowns. On the other hand, crushing pace was slower and sugar prices were lower, which resulted in Adjusted EBITDA declining by 2% on a quarter-on-quarter basis despite the improvement in distribution. Next, we present a summary of the most relevant transactions executed throughout 2025, which played a key role in strengthening our capital structure. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:07:51In the first half of the year, we completed the sale of our stake in Vale, raising BRL 9 billion, which was fully allocated to debt prepayments. In September 2025, we announced public equity offerings anchored by BTG Pactual and Perfin Infra, which injected BRL 10.5 billion into Cosan's cash position. In December 2025, we carried out a partial sale of Rumo shares in conjunction with the execution of a total return swap, in addition to the renegotiation of the preferred equity structure at Cosan Dez. Altogether, these transactions generated more than BRL 22 billion from capital markets with a clear focus on reducing the company's leverage. Turning to debt management, we made significant progress this quarter, reducing expanded net debt to BRL 9.8 billion. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:08:49This result reflects the liability management initiatives carried out throughout 2025, combined with the company's capitalization process. The DSCR decreased by 0.1x in the quarter, driven by the lower dividend levels received on a trailing twelve-month basis and still elevated financial expenses. Regarding the amortization schedule, we present a pro forma view already reflecting the prepayment transactions announced in January and February 2026, which will further reduce the company's gross debt by more than BRL 6.2 billion. At quarter end, the average cost of debt stood at CDI + 0.97%, representing a 43 basis point reduction compared to the fourth quarter 2024, while the average maturity remained stable at 5.8 years. Fernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESG at Cosan00:09:47On the next slide, and as we move toward the conclusion of our presentation, we provide a managerial view of cash movements, highlighting the main sources of liquidity, particularly the capitalization at Cosan and the Rumo transaction, as well as the corresponding uses of cash, closing the year with a cash position of BRL 16 billion. This concludes our earnings presentation. Thank you all very much for joining us. Operator00:10:14We will now begin the Q&A session with Mr. Marcelo Martins, Mr. Rafael Bergman, and Mr. Fernando Tinel. To ask questions, please click on the Raise Hand icon at the bottom of the screen to join the queue. When your name is announced, a prompt to activate your microphone will appear on the screen. Please unmute your microphone and proceed with your question. We kindly request that attendees limit their questions to one. Operator00:10:44If you are listening to the conference call in English, please ask your questions in writing by clicking on the Q&A button. Questions in writing sent via the Q&A button will be answered after the conference by Cosan's IR team. A survey regarding the earnings presentation for the fourth quarter 2025 is available by scanning the QR code on the screen. Please take the time to answer it and help us improve our future earnings release presentations. Thank you. The first question is from Mr. Gabriel Barra from Citi. You may proceed, Mr. Barra. Gabriel BarraAnalyst at Citi00:11:22Hello, everyone. Good morning. Good morning, Marcelo, Rafael, Tinel. We can only ask one question, and one of the things we've been discussing with investors about Cosan that has led to a lot of questions is the future and RaÃzen's capital structure. Gabriel BarraAnalyst at Citi00:11:43Recently, there have been some material facts about a potential capitalization, a discussion with bond holders and the company's credit. My question is a bit more encompassing. Could you tell us a bit more about the conversations with Shell? What are you thinking about RaÃzen, the portfolio, de-leveraging the company, and Cosan's focus on making the company more resilient on the balance sheet side? If you could give us some updates, and how are you thinking about strategy with regards to RaÃzen? Thank you. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:12:28Hi. Good morning, Barra. Thank you for the question. Let me take the opportunity to answer your question just to recap things a bit. As the market knows, we have been saying this very openly and publicly. We have been in conversations to find a solution for RaÃzen's capital structure for a while now. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:12:56Everyone knows that we made a huge effort to deal with Cosan's capital structure last year. That was a priority because we were concerned that there may have been some contamination from RaÃzen circumstances to Cosan. Every step we took last year from capitalization to all the liability management moves were to protect Cosan first, so that there was no question about that, and at the same time to address the capital structure of our main businesses. On the way to get here, and in going through this capitalization, there have been many conversations, and they half the time they required conversations about RaÃzen. When we concluded the capitalization with the current partners, something that was made very clear was how we were going to address RaÃzen's circumstances from now on. One of the main negotiation points were that we should prioritize Cosan's leveraging. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:14:05In looking for a solution for RaÃzen, that should not have an impact on resolving Cosan's capital structure. We made it very clear to the market that we had a considerable limitation despite our willingness to provide funds to RaÃzen, but we would be limited to a certain amount of funds that were contributed when capital was increased. We made all the assumptions clear to the market because we knew that because of that statement, there would have been questions about how feasible it would be for Cosan to match Shell one-to-one in a capital increase at RaÃzen. We spent at least the last six months discussing this very actively. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:15:06If you consider my time in the last six months, at least 70%-80% of that has been spent on discussing RaÃzen, which goes to show how important the company is, but also how engaged we are in trying to find a way out, even considering our capital contribution limitations. We did raise many alternatives. We brought them to the table in the last six months. Actually, even before that, we were discussing options, and those options were assessed by the partners, especially Shell, and especially in the last couple of months, and we couldn't come to an agreement about what Cosan's stake would be. In the last month, we were able to at least match a capital commitment. Shell made it clear that there would be a limitation on their side. They were flexible on Cosan's matching them one-to-one. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:16:10The way we got to an alternative meant that there would be a limitation on our making a contribution according to the terms that are being discussed now. First, because that capital contribution wouldn't have been enough for us to have a capital structure without a conversion level that is being debated, and we also consider separating the businesses and maybe selling a stake in one of them. We looked into all of that. Conversations were very intense, as I said, until we got to a point that the structure that should be shared with the market wouldn't include Cosan's participation based on the terms that were defined for these discussions with the market. That was informed to the market. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:17:05A material fact was published last week, and the terms of the negotiation with the creditors were discussed at a very high level, and those discussions are ongoing. They are progressing, and Cosan is not taking that much of a part at the moment because of the non-capital contribution considering the current structure. What we believe in is that creditors are highly engaged, including Shell. There's also Ãgua Santa making a considerable contribution. That led to a well-structured conversation with creditors, and we believe that that should lead to progress and a satisfactory solution for the market that will resolve RaÃzen's problem once and for all. There are two main points. The solution has to be definitive, and we do believe that there is that possibility. The capital structure that comes from that definitive solution has to be suitable for the different businesses in the company. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:18:20That is also being discussed. They're very different businesses, as you all know. Their cash generation is very different, and they require different capital structures. That will be vital so that we can have a sustainable company. We're not directly involved right now because we're not gonna take part in the capitalization. But as shareholders and board members, we have been monitoring how things are progressing, and in the next few weeks we should have some news concerning the plan to find the right solution for the company. Gabriel BarraAnalyst at Citi00:19:02Great, Marcelo. Thank you for the answer. Operator00:19:07The next question is from TiThiago Duarte from BTG Pactual. Please go ahead, Mr. Duarte. Thiago DuarteManaging Director and Senior Equity Analyst at BTG Pactual00:19:15Hello, good morning. Hi, Marcelo, Rafa. Pleasure to talk to you. Thiago DuarteManaging Director and Senior Equity Analyst at BTG Pactual00:19:22If possible, Marcelo and Rafa, could you talk about what was discussed with the market at the end of the capitalization at the end of last year? In light of this quarter's results, could you also focus on one of the topics, which is efficiency gains and expense reductions at the holdco level, which was BRL 88 million. Are you looking at gaining any efficiency at that specific line item? Also, I know you asked us to ask a single question, but I also want to ask about Moove. Can you tell us, can you give us some visibility on whether the plant will be going back to production after the fire and how they're gonna build up their capacity at that plant? Thank you. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:20:31Hi, Tiago. Good morning. This is Rafael. I'll take your questions. We'll start with the second one about Moove. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:20:38The first point is to make it clear about production capacity. Moove has recovered its capacity completely, 100%. The challenge that Moove has been facing and has been addressing satisfactorily has to do with a new logistics strategy and a multi-site strategy to recover margins in terms of efficiency. In terms of volume, we have resumed our full capacity, and that has allowed Moove to also recover its market share, which is a key sign of the recovery. Now, going into 2026 will pose challenges in terms of costs to Moove because of inefficiencies that were created due to the need to change strategy. We won't start 2026 at historical profitability levels that we've had, especially in 2023 and 2024. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:21:50That is Moove's objective for the year, to gradually go back to its historical profit levels, and that will happen by addressing remaining inefficiencies, focusing on a premium mix of products, high-quality services, which is what Moove has been delivering. It does have a fantastic record, as you have seen over time. That's what we'll start doing in 2026, and the team obviously is very excited with this, with the prospect, coming out of a very tough year, but also proving that the team's resilience and adaptability. Now, as for our commitment when we capitalized the company and the decisions we made, we've been very consistent. I like that expression, to walk the talk. In terms of efficiency, the fourth quarter hasn't shown any relevant gains yet. We've just started making the changes in the fourth quarter. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:23:02The most relevant to the structure have already been made in terms of the size of the team. We have 40-45 fewer people at the holdco. There's also a matter of efficiency and discussing the scope for the holding company at this point in time. You know, it will no longer be to go into new businesses because the partners that have come into Cosan have members that have been appointed to the company's operating board. The holding company's role is being adapted to make sure that the new partners' contributions can happen directly at the operating company. This is an ongoing journey. It's happening gradually, but it is very deliberate. Now, one of the main aspects that were discussed is that the capitalization was not the end of that story. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:24:06In fact, it is the beginning, the first step of that journey, that deleveraging journey, because the intention is to materially deleverage Cosan. The capitalization has helped considerably, but now we will continue to talk about the portfolio as we have shared with you. More concretely in terms of the intention of that process, I mean, it's a very short period of time that we've been able to mobilize, not only Cosan's team, but Compass' team to start the secondary public offering of shares. I can't talk about that because of the silent period, but I just want to reiterate the intention and the commitment of this broader strategy to simplify and deleverage the holding company, because we believe that's the best way to create value for our shareholders. Thiago DuarteManaging Director and Senior Equity Analyst at BTG Pactual00:25:06Excellent, Rafael. Thank you. Operator00:25:10The next question is from Matheus Enfeldt from UBS. Please go ahead. Matheus EnfeldtAnalyst at UBS00:25:19Hello, Marcelo, Rafa, Tinel. Matheus EnfeldtAnalyst at UBS00:25:21Thank you for your time. If we can focus on the holding company strategy as a follow-up to the previous question, what is the end game of deleveraging the company, and how quickly do you wanna do that? Because the holding company is going now to 2x the Debt Service Coverage Ratio. What is the end goal in the short term? Do you wanna get to 4x the Debt Service Coverage Ratio? Do you wanna cut the debt by half? When do you think the HoldCo will get to the level you want for the HoldCo in the short term and also considering a long-term portfolio for Cosan? Thank you. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:26:17Hi, Matheus. This is Marcelo. Well, our objective is to bring the holding company's debt to zero because that leverage doesn't make any sense. In the past, we could justify it by expanding the portfolio. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:26:35There were also leveraging issues for control purposes, but that's no longer on the table because the portfolio is ready. We're now cleaning up our structure to become more efficient, as Rafa said, but our main goal is to bring the holding company's leverage down to zero at some point. When do we think that's gonna happen? After we have executed our strategy to divest some of our assets efficiently, because we need to optimize the sale of interest in our portfolio so that we can intelligently get to our end goal by building value. There's no date to bring the leveraging to zero. Obviously, we want to create more efficiency, get to an acceptable level of Debt Service Coverage Ratio. We're not there yet, but we believe we will be there soon when we start to implement our deleveraging strategy. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:27:53There's also market conditions that is key to be able to deleverage, and within the portfolio as a whole, we will consider our options. Now let me just make it clear again. At this point in time, we're not saying that a specific asset is to be sold to bring that leverage down to zero. Nothing like that is happening. We're not talking about selling anything significant from any business in the portfolio. I just wanna make that point very clear to the market. Having announced the Compass public offering, then we'll do it when the time is right. When we have defined things, we will share it with the market, how we're gonna do it, where the funds are gonna come from, and how the process is going to take place. We're just beginning the process, and we will keep the market informed. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:28:54The key message is the holding company, as it was, doesn't make sense anymore. We will be making the system more efficient, as Rafael said, and we will reduce leverage and execute on sale of interest when the time is right, depending on the amounts that are on the table to affect those transactions. No shareholders are pressuring us to come to a deal at any price. That's a key point because I hear a lot of speculation in the market that we're gonna sell X% of one company or another company, and it feels like we're gonna sell assets for an amount that doesn't make sense so that we can deleverage quickly. That doesn't make sense, and it's not being done, and it's not gonna be done. I just wanna make that very clear. We are still committed to bring leveraging down to zero. That is key. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:29:53We have made that commitment. That's one of the reasons why we're not investing any funds at RaÃzen, because that is our priority. We want to get to our end goal in a timely fashion but effectively. Can I ask a follow-up question, Marcelo? Matheus EnfeldtAnalyst at UBS00:30:11Is that something that is not on the table being discussed to that end goal or something that you have already decided that is not gonna happen? In terms of assets that won't be sold, do you mean? Matheus EnfeldtAnalyst at UBS00:30:24Yeah. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:30:24No. We're not excluding any assets at all right now, but we're not prioritizing any assets either, as the media has been speculating recently. I just want to deny the fact that we have decided on an asset that will be sold partially or completely to deal with the leveraging issue. That information is wrong. Cosan does not have that goal right now. Matheus EnfeldtAnalyst at UBS00:30:55Thank you. Thank you for clarifying. Operator00:30:57The next question is from Regis Cardoso from XP. Please go ahead, Mr. Cardoso. Regis CardosoAnalyst at XP00:31:06Good morning, Marcelo, Bergman and Tinel. My question is about what you've just said, Marcelo. There have been lots of news recently about potentially selling Rumo, and the price of shares are undervalued. Could you comment, because Rumo. How does Rumo fit in your divestment process? You have shares that are associated to a shareholders agreement. Were they not associated to them? If you could elaborate a bit more on what will make sense. How far will Cosan go? How far won't it go? What are the boundary conditions? Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:32:06Hi, Regis. There have been no changes to our governance. Things are as they always have been. There are some potential interested parties, and they're trying to create rumors in the market to bring prices down. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:32:23Just to make it clear, we are not thinking about this operation that was in the media yesterday. Absolutely not. Which doesn't mean we might not consider selling a stake in Rumo. As I said, we'll consider selling stakes in assets in a timely fashion. We'll do it when the time is right, when the structure is right, when the time is right to execute on that strategy. That strategy is progressing. Nothing has been defined on specific percentages of any businesses to be sold. This current speculation that we are involved in selling our full stake in Rumo is wrong. That is not true. I just want to make it very clear to the market again. Regis CardosoAnalyst at XP00:33:22Thank you, Marcelo. Operator00:33:24The next question is from Bruno Amorim from Goldman Sachs. Bruno, please go ahead. Bruno AmorimEquity Analyst at Goldman Sachs00:33:32Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. Bruno AmorimEquity Analyst at Goldman Sachs00:33:39My question is to Bergman. Could you remind us about the debt foreign exchange hedging policy? In the release, you said that one of the measures to reduce that was the impact of the FX variation. Could you talk about your hedging strategy if that debt that's pegged to the US dollar has been fully hedged, and if looking forward, we'll continue to see the impact of the foreign exchange and mark to market on lines, any other lines of the P&L. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:34:15Hi, Bruno. Thank you for the question. Well, going back to our strategy to reduce leveraging, that was a repayment of the debt that had a higher cost and that weren't as interesting to the company. So in doing that, we repaid some debentures and 3 bonds here at Cosan. Right now, we don't have the exposure of those 3 bonds. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:34:49What the exposure that's left in foreign currency is the perpetual bonds, which we're all familiar with. What we have been doing in terms of foreign exchange hedging is the three-year FX protection. We don't hedge the principal fully. That's the policy, and we've been having satisfactory results in terms of being tolerant to any fluctuations because that's a perpetual debt, so we don't have a specific timeline to deal with it. It's been working for Cosan, so that's my answer to your question for the time being. Bruno AmorimEquity Analyst at Goldman Sachs00:35:33Great. Thank you. Have a good day. Operator00:35:36The next question is from Bruno Montanari, Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead, Bruno. Bruno MontanariAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:35:45Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. If we can go back to what Marcelo said about not selling your full stakes in one single asset. Bruno MontanariAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:35:58Are you thinking of a minimum stake that you'd like to hold at each of your assets? In terms of RaÃzen, would spinning off the business be a non-negotiable for you before going ahead with any thing you might do in restructuring RaÃzen? Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:36:34I'm not sure I understood your question, Bruno. Could you ask it again? Bruno MontanariAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:36:39Separating the businesses. Does that have to happen for you to continue to restructure RaÃzen in your negotiations with Shell? Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:36:56Bruno, the reason why we're not taking part is because we believe the structure that was presented, and that will have to be discussed and approved over time, wouldn't fully solve RaÃzen's capital structure issues. Not separating the businesses is a problem for us. What does that mean? Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:37:24Separating the businesses means that the businesses would have to have separate capital structures because they have separate cash generation, and obviously their capital allocation nature is also different. To us, for the business to be sustainable and efficient, that would have to happen. We're not saying that is a non-negotiable condition, because right now Cosan is not contributing any capital, so we can't impose any conditions that Shell or creditors would have to accept. We're not gonna go over anything that's acceptable to Shell and the creditors. What we are discussing is what Cosan would believe to be suitable in terms of capital structure and a permanent solution for RaÃzen's leveraging issue that would justify Cosan going in, considering all of Cosan's restrictions and limitation on fund availability for the time being. Marcelo MartinsFormer CEO at Cosan00:38:31As to your other question, we haven't defined a minimum stake that we wanna keep for each of the businesses. If market conditions are right, if there is an actual interest and the multiples are suitable for a specific asset, then we can sell a considerable stake in a business. Now, if those are not the terms, then we will definitely not sell any stake in any business. Any speculation about the size of any divestment in whatever business is wrong, because we have not formally started any process that might mean we're gonna sell X, Y, or Z stake at any of the assets. Right now we are considering every single business as a potential target to be sold partially, but we haven't defined which business will be sold at what percentage. Bruno MontanariAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:39:34That was very clear, thank you. Operator00:39:42The next question is from Lucas Ferreira from JPMorgan. You may proceed, Mr. Ferreira. Lucas FerreiraEquity Research Analyst at J.P. Morgan00:39:50Hi, good morning. About Radar, could you give us an update on. You have moved towards divestments. Have there been any conversations, any progress in those negotiations? Because that's a considerable divestment for the current size of the debt. So any updates? Thank you. Rafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations Officer at Cosan00:40:17Hi, Lucas. We're still recycling the portfolio. We're continuing with our management. That's part of Pedro's routine. As Marcelo said, obviously we're looking into the portfolio to see if there are any accretive opportunities for Cosan's shareholders, considering what might be relevant over time. There are no concrete news for the time being, and whenever there are any, we will share it with the market. Thank you. Lucas FerreiraEquity Research Analyst at J.P. Morgan00:40:58Thanks, Rafael. Operator00:41:03This concludes the Q&A session and Cosan's fourth quarter 2025 earnings release video conference. Operator00:41:17For further questions, please contact the investor relations department. Thank you so much for joining us and have a great day.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesFernando Pasinato TinelExecutive Manager of Investor Relations and ESGMarcelo MartinsFormer CEORafael BergmanCFO and Investor Relations OfficerAnalystsBruno AmorimEquity Analyst at Goldman SachsBruno MontanariAnalyst at Morgan StanleyGabriel BarraAnalyst at CitiLucas FerreiraEquity Research Analyst at J.P. MorganMatheus EnfeldtAnalyst at UBSRegis CardosoAnalyst at XPThiago DuarteManaging Director and Senior Equity Analyst at BTG PactualPowered by