Texas Instruments Q2 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Texas Instruments reported Q2 revenue of $5.5 billion, up 13% sequentially and 23% year over year, with strength in industrial, data center, and automotive markets.
  • Positive Sentiment: Management said demand broadened in the quarter and into Q3, with the company seeing accelerating automotive demand and continued growth in industrial and data center, leading to above-seasonal guidance.
  • Positive Sentiment: TI highlighted strong profitability and cash generation, including 61% gross margin, $2.7 billion of operating cash flow, and $6.5 billion of trailing 12-month free cash flow, while returning $5.8 billion to shareholders over the last year.
  • Neutral Sentiment: The company kept its 2026 CapEx guidance at $2 billion-$3 billion and said its manufacturing footprint, clean room space, and inventory positioning leave it well prepared to support demand growth over the next several years.
  • Positive Sentiment: Management indicated that pricing was flat in the first half but has started to move higher, with increases expected to flow through progressively in Q3 and Q4, especially on the analog side.
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Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Welcome to the Texas Instruments Second Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. I'm Mike Beckman, Head of Investor Relations. For any of you who missed the release, you can find it on our website at ti.com/ir. This call is being broadcast live over the web and can be accessed through our website. In addition, today's call is being recorded and will be available via replay on our website. This call will include forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause TI's results to differ materially from management's current expectations. We encourage you to review the notice regarding forward-looking statements contained in the earnings release published today, as well as TI's most recent SEC filings for a more complete description. Today, I'm joined by our Chief Executive Officer, Haviv Ilan, and our Chief Financial Officer, Rafael Lizardi.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Also with us today is Julie Knecht, who will become our chief financial officer on August 1st. Julie has been with TI for more than 25 years and has held a number of finance and accounting roles, most recently serving as chief accounting officer since 2021. As you know, Rafael, who has been our CFO for nearly a decade, plans to retire at the end of August. Rafael's focus on disciplined capital allocation, including our investments in 300mm manufacturing capacity and commitment to return all free cash flow to shareholders, has positioned TI for continued long-term growth and value creation. As this is Rafael's final earnings call, I want to thank him personally for all of his contributions to TI. I'm sure you will join me in congratulating both Rafael and Julie. With that, today we'll provide the following updates.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

First, Haviv will start with a quick overview of the quarter. Next, he will provide insight into second quarter revenue results with some details on what we're seeing with respect to our end markets. Lastly, Rafael will cover the financial results and give an update on capital management, as well as share the guidance for third quarter 2026. With that, let me turn it over to Haviv.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Thanks, Mike. Let me start with a quick overview of the second quarter. Revenue was $5.5 billion, an increase of 13% sequentially and an increase of 23% year-over-year. Analog and embedded processing both grew sequentially and year-over-year. Analog revenue grew 26% year-on-year, and embedded processing grew 16%. Our other segment declined 2% from the year-ago quarter. Let me provide a few comments about the current market environment. In the second quarter, revenue came in above the range as we saw continued growth in industrial and data center in addition to accelerated growth in automotive. Our investments in inventory and capacity are serving us well, which allows us to support our customers during this time of increased demand. We are prepared with capacity and have clean room space available and are well positioned to support continued growth.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Now, I'll share some additional insights into second quarter revenue by end market. First, industrial increased around 30% year-over-year and was up about 10% sequentially, growing broadly across sectors and regions. Automotive increased in the mid-teens year-on-year and increased in the upper single digits sequentially. The data center doubled year-on-year and grew around 20% sequentially. Personal electronics were flat year-on-year and grew in upper single digits sequentially. Lastly, communications equipment grew both year-on-year and sequentially. With that, let me turn it over to Rafael to review profitability and capital management.

Rafael Lizardi
Rafael Lizardi
CFO at Texas Instruments

Thanks, Haviv. Good afternoon, everyone. As Haviv mentioned, second quarter revenue was $5.5 billion. Gross profit in the quarter was $3.4 billion, or 61% of revenue. Sequentially, gross profit margin increased 340 basis points. Operating expenses in the quarter were $1 billion, about as expected. On a trailing 12-month basis, operating expenses were $3.9 billion, or 20% of revenue. Operating profit was $2.3 billion in the quarter, or 42% of revenue. It was up 48% from the year-ago quarter. Net income in the quarter was $2 billion, or $2.14 per share. Earnings per share included a $0.05 benefit not in our original guidance due to discrete tax benefits. Let me now comment on our capital management results, starting with our cash generation. Cash flow from operations was $2.7 billion in the quarter and $8.7 billion on a trailing 12-month basis.

Rafael Lizardi
Rafael Lizardi
CFO at Texas Instruments

Capital expenditures were $514 million in the quarter and $3.3 billion over the last 12 months. Free cash flow on a trailing 12-month basis was $6.5 billion, up from $1.8 billion in the second quarter of 2025 and continuing to trend up as growth returns. Free cash flow in the trailing 12 months includes $1.6 billion of CHIPS Act incentives, which includes both the investment tax credit and direct funding. In the second quarter, we received $549 million of ITC-related payments for qualifying capital expenditures. In the quarter, we paid $1.3 billion in dividends. In total, we returned $5.8 billion to our owners in the past 12 months. Our balance sheet remains strong with $7 billion of cash and short-term investments at the end of the second quarter. Total debt outstanding is $14 billion, with a weighted average coupon of 4%.

Rafael Lizardi
Rafael Lizardi
CFO at Texas Instruments

Inventory at the end of the quarter was $4.6 billion, down $90 million from the prior quarter. Days were 196, down 13 days sequentially. Turning to our outlook for the third quarter, we expect TI's revenue in the range of $5.65 billion-$6.15 billion, and earnings per share to be in the range of $2.23-$2.57. We expect our effective tax rate to be about 13% in the third quarter. In closing, we will stay focused in the areas that add value in the long term. We continue to invest in our competitive advantages, which are manufacturing and technology, a broad product portfolio, reach of our channels, and diverse and long-lived positions.

Rafael Lizardi
Rafael Lizardi
CFO at Texas Instruments

We will continue to strengthen these advantages through disciplined capital allocation and by focusing on the best opportunities, which we believe will enable us to continue to deliver free cash flow per share growth over the long term. Before I turn it over to Mike to start Q&A, I want to say that it has been an honor to work at Texas Instruments for the last 25 years and to have been CFO during the last decade. I have thoroughly enjoyed working with so many wonderful people. Over that time, we have made TI stronger and positioned it for continued success. I feel confident about the future at TI, and I'm looking forward to what's ahead for the company.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Thanks, Rafael. Operator, you can now open the line for questions. In order to provide as many of you as possible an opportunity to ask your questions, please limit yourself to a single question. After our response, we'll provide you an opportunity for additional follow-up. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two to remove yourself from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys. One moment while we poll for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Harlan Sur with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your questioning.

Harlan Sur
Harlan Sur
Analyst at J.P. Morgan

Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my question. Julie, congrats on the promotion, and Rafael, thanks for all of the great support and execution. Haviv, last call, there was some concern stepping into the second half that we might see some slight deceleration, kind of similar to last year, right? Given your above-seasonal guidance for Q3, it seems like the strength in the first half is continuing into the second half. You also are now starting to see the acceleration in automotive. Do you expect this profile of strength to continue market-wise into Q3 and maybe the second half? What's driving the inflection in automotive?

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Thanks, Harlan. I think you characterized what you're seeing well. I think right now, as we stand in July, we see a setup of a stronger demand; it's broader. In the last couple of quarters, it was really an industrial and data center play. Right now, we are seeing demand growing in the automotive market. I'll talk about Q3. When you think about the above seasonal guide, I think the contribution will come from all markets. The three markets that drove it to Q growth, meaning industrial, data center, and automotive. Q3 is traditionally a quarter of personal electronic strength. I expect a strong demand across the board. Now, regarding automotive, I think we saw a combination of a couple of things. By the way, it developed throughout the quarter. When we came to the call in April, we didn't have the same visibility.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

It built up as we went through the quarter, led by China. I think it's really led by EVs and hybrids. The cost of fuel drove that, I believe. In addition, I think our automotive customers have taken their inventory to very low levels, and now, as there is a little bit more demand, they find themselves in a situation that is not sustainable. I think that also drove part of the demand. I think we are in the start of a cycle that is very broad. When I look at it right now, that would be my prediction.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Harlan, do you have a follow-up?

Harlan Sur
Harlan Sur
Analyst at J.P. Morgan

Yes, I do. Thanks for the great color there, Haviv. Input costs are moving higher. Demand remains strong. I assume that the TI team is still seeing expanding short lead time orders not anticipated in your customers' initial forecast coming into the quarter. You put all of this together, right? You guys had talked about the potential for pricing increases in the second half of the year on the last earnings call. Are you executing positive pricing initiatives with customers? When do these go into effect? Is the breadth of these increases across both your analog and embedded segments?

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Yeah, thanks, Harlan. First, let me just recap what we said in the previous call regarding the first half of the year. We now have the full six months behind us, and as we predicted, pricing was stable in the first half of the year, meaning flat, if you will. That's an above-average year for us, right? Typically, prices do go down a couple of points every year, and this time, they held. I will say that we have started executing price increases, yes. Because we go to the market direct, this is not a one-time discussion with our distribution channel. It's really a discussion, customer by customer. If you will, it will be dependent on the customer. Some of it will start to play in Q3, but I expect that to continue into the fourth quarter.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Also, for some of our customers, we decide pricing once a year during our annual price discussions, and that happens only at the end of Q4. That can continue also into the next year. Regarding the segments, meaning analog and embedded, look where we see the most pressure, also within lead time escalations. I mentioned automotive. It's right now mainly on the analog side. That's what we saw in the first part of the year. I would say that embedded is joining the trend. If I look at our opportunity for the second half of the year, I think we have an opportunity across all markets but also across the two segments. I think the pricing discussions for embedded will be more centered towards the next year.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Thank you, Harlan. Move on to our next caller.

Harlan Sur
Harlan Sur
Analyst at J.P. Morgan

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jim Schneider

Jim Schneider
Jim Schneider
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Good evening. Thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you could maybe comment on where your factory loadings stand today and how much you would plan to increase them in the next couple of quarters, maybe just sort of comment on your kind of desired inventory position, which went down slightly this quarter. Do you expect that to stabilize in absolute dollars or go down? Thank you.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Thank you, Jim. Let me frame it at a very high level; I'll let Julie comment on this one. First look, as I said, we saw the demand developing through the quarter; it was very dynamic. As we also mentioned in the last call, the best way to support short-term demand or demand that materializes very quickly is through inventory, which helped in the quarter. Of course, we also have to prepare for the future; that's where loadings come into play. Julie, maybe you can shed some light on this.

Julie Knecht
Julie Knecht
Incoming CFO at Texas Instruments

Sure. Our loadings did increase from the first to the second quarter; throughout the second quarter, they did continue to increase. For the third quarter, it'll really depend on what demand looks like; we do have clean room space available that we can equip, and we can support a wide range of scenarios from a customer demand standpoint.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Thanks. Jim, do you have a follow-up?

Jim Schneider
Jim Schneider
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Yes. Given the free cash flow strength that you've reported in Q2, can you maybe comment on whether you're on pace to exceed the range of free cash flow outcomes you sort of provided back at your capital management date earlier?

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Let me just, again, remind everyone that we gave a framework of revenue and free cash flow. I think in the case of revenue, if I remember well, at $20 billion, it was $8 billion-$9 billion. I think at $22 billion it was $9 billion-$10 billion. That framework is still valid, Jim. You can use it as you model the company moving forward.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

All right. Thanks for the question, Jim. Move on to our next caller, please.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stacy Rasgon with Bernstein Research. Please proceed with your question.

Stacy Rasgon
Stacy Rasgon
Analyst at Bernstein Research

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to first ask about OpEx. Like usually, it's typically down seasonally a few points into Q3. Are you still anticipating that, or are there some differences in your spending plans given the growth profile that we're seeing now?

Rafael Lizardi
Rafael Lizardi
CFO at Texas Instruments

Hi, Stacy. It's Rafael. I'll take that one. On OpEx, net other income and expense, and acquisition charges, you should expect all of those to be flat from the second quarter to the third quarter. That should help you with modeling the company and modeling growth margins.

Stacy Rasgon
Stacy Rasgon
Analyst at Bernstein Research

Got it. That's super helpful. For my follow-up, I just wanted to ask about personal electronics. Haviv, from your comments, it sounded like you were almost expecting strength in Q3 in personal electronics? I'm just wondering what you're seeing in that market given the current memory dynamics.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Let me maybe clarify that. Thanks for the question, Stacy. It's very good.

Stacy Rasgon
Stacy Rasgon
Analyst at Bernstein Research

Thank you.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

We have, typically, a very high one. If you look at our PE, our personal electronics business, typically in 3Q, it's growing nicely, sometimes mid-teens. I expect this business to be growing sequentially, but maybe at a lower level. You saw our results in 2Q year-over-year; PE was flat. We are seeing challenges in PE as some shortages are putting pressure on our customers. I think that the growth is typically in Q3; the growth is driven by PE. This time it's broader. Think about all the markets, but PE will be a participant, I believe, because we see the demand breadth is very, very high.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

All right. Well, thanks for the question, Stacy.

Stacy Rasgon
Stacy Rasgon
Analyst at Bernstein Research

Flat year-over-year or down in Q3?

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Sorry, can you repeat the question?

Stacy Rasgon
Stacy Rasgon
Analyst at Bernstein Research

Sorry, do you think it's down year-over-year in Q3, given it was flat in Q2 and given it's sort of weaker versus normal trends in Q3? I'm just trying to tie it into the model.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Don't have a buy-in market guide for each of the end markets; I think as Haviv talked about what we've seen, I think that's a good characterization of what we saw in the second quarter. Thank you for the question, Stacy.

Stacy Rasgon
Stacy Rasgon
Analyst at Bernstein Research

Thank you.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Let's move on to the next caller.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Atif Malik with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Atif Malik
Atif Malik
Analyst at Citi

Hi. Thank you for taking my questions, and welcome, Julie. I have a question on the data center sales; they doubled year-over-year. Then as the industry transitions to 800 volts, how do you see your competitive position versus incumbents?

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Yeah, again, we do continue to see strong demand in the data center market, Atif; I don't expect that to change in the foreseeable future. I think when you think about future architectures like 800 volts, they will be phased into the market. I think you can envision at the beginning maybe an AC to DC, maybe AC to 800 volts, and then 800 volts to 48 volts to 12 volts, for example. That's how you bring in the technology. To me, that just means higher growth of the TAM and more conversion stages, and that helps our market. On the analog and embedded side, think about the different analog parts participating in every conversion stage and also the embedded controllers and the signal chain parts. I think that is a tailwind for our market.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

In the longer term, that's going to take some time; once we have the SST established, data center input will be at a DC voltage of 800 volts. I envision maybe direct conversion from 800 directly to 12 or six volts. That's coming later, and this is where the TAM continues to show strength. The higher voltage, the more opportunity we see.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

I think that layers on top of the foundational position that we have in the data center, which has been growing very nicely as well. We are looking forward to both those types of chips contributing in the future. Atif, do you have a follow-up?

Atif Malik
Atif Malik
Analyst at Citi

Yes. On the growth margins for the data center business, as this business grows, are your expectations that the profitability of the data center business will be in line with the corporate average over time?

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Up to where we are now, it's been pretty similar to the overall corporate average. I wouldn't skew you in either direction far on that. We'll have to see where it goes. I think we'll have to see as it ramps, what that's going to mean. Today, I wouldn't skew you in either direction on what it's going to do to gross margins overall. What I will say is the good news is that as we ramp up in any of the end markets, including data center, it's going to be on 300mm newer assets that do have an excellent ability to fall through for us. We are looking forward to that. Thank you, Atif. Move on to the next caller, please.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Vivek Arya with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Vivek Arya
Vivek Arya
Analyst at Bank of America

Thank you, and best wishes to both Rafael and to Julie. Haviv, my first question is for you, which is, Where are we in the industrial recovery cycle? How many more above-seasonal quarters should one expect? I think you mentioned pricing as a lever for Q3. Can you help us quantify how much pricing is contributing to this 8% or so sequential growth in Q3, and can prices go up again in Q4?

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Let me start with the industrial market, and maybe I'll say a few words about pricing at the end. Look, I think, Vivek, we have a lot of opportunity in front of us. Even with a nice growth in Q2, I have to go back to 2022, and we are still lower than that peak, maybe five or six points lower than that 2022 peak. If you think about a trend line of the industrial market, I like to think about it as mid- to high single-digit growth in a market TAM opportunity. You're four years later; one can argue that we still have a lot of room to grow ahead of us. On top of it, I think the data center market is also providing a tailwind into the industrial market. Think about sectors like energy infrastructure, and think about test and measurement.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

They were our fastest-growing segments, or sectors, as we call them, in the second quarter or the first half of the year. I think there is more tailwind ahead. I do believe that customers are early and have not yet built inventory, so I think the setup is very positive. Regarding pricing, look, as I said, in our case, it will be really weaved into the future and depend on the customer. If I think about the forecast for Q3, the vast majority of it is just unit growth and maybe a little contribution from pricing, but it's almost insignificant.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

All right. You have a follow-up, Vivek?

Vivek Arya
Vivek Arya
Analyst at Bank of America

Yes. Thanks. Haviv, if we try to think about TI's opportunity in the data center beyond 2026, 2027, 2028, and beyond, what is the right kind of growth rate that one should think about? Is it 40%? Is it 50%? What is that right way that one should model TI's growth rate? As part of thinking about that growth rate, do you think that achieving that growth rate kind of exposes you to winning or losing specific sockets at specific GPU or ASIC vendors? Just how is your visibility? How should we think about TI's long-term growth rate in the data center business? Thank you.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

I don't think I can help there, but maybe, Mike, you can say a few words about what we're seeing. Look, our opportunity in data centers is growing. The reason it's growing, Vivek, is because of our R&D investment and also our ability to supply. That's the way I look at it. As we move on and that market becomes a more substantial part of the analog and embedded processing market in general, the ability to supply from geopolitically dependable capacity, like we hold, is becoming an advantage. As long as we continue to see CapEx coming into data centers, I think TI can do very well there. Our objective is not to put out a certain growth rate, but actually to outgrow the market. I believe we will do it in 2026, and that's our plan into 2027.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

I would just add that Haviv talked about a lot of our chips being used in the power tree involved in the data center, and there are other chips that would sit more on the signal chain side that are also there too. As you have more power that's dedicated to data centers, as you have a larger number of them out there, we're going to benefit from that, just given the amount of chips that we have in those systems. It really depends on what that build-out looks like. As Haviv pointed out, we're in an excellent position from the portfolio that we have and the opportunities that are in front of us that we're working on as well on the ASSP side to be able to grow faster in that market compared to the overall. Look forward to that.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

With that, we'll move on to our next caller.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Timothy Arcuri with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Timothy Arcuri
Timothy Arcuri
Analyst at UBS

Thanks a lot. I wanted to ask about CapEx and the ITC. Rafael, you're kind of run rating, it looks like at the lower end of the $2 billion-$3 billion gross CapEx guidance for the year. I'm wondering, is it right to think that we'll be at the low end for the year? Then also as part of that, net CapEx has basically been zero during the first half of the year because of the ITC. Is it right to think that the ITC is going to still contribute about the same amount that it did during the first half of the year per quarter?

Rafael Lizardi
Rafael Lizardi
CFO at Texas Instruments

Yeah. A couple things in your question. First, on the CapEx expectation for 2026, it continues to be $2 billion-$3 billion. I would not skew it or bias it lower on the lower end at this point. If anything, it could be on the higher end of that midpoint, just given demand and how we want to support that for the subsequent years. On your ITC question, ITC can be choppy because it's for equipment that was placed in service the prior year. You just saw the first half or even the quarter; it was more ITC than CapEx, so you shouldn't expect that. In fact, if anything, going forward, because a lot of the CapEx will be disproportionately placed in the assembly test operation, which is not in the U.S., that portion does not get ITC.

Rafael Lizardi
Rafael Lizardi
CFO at Texas Instruments

We'll continue to file and get 35% ITC on the U.S. manufacturing front end and expect that benefit, but just know that it can be a little choppy over the years.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Tim, do you have a follow-up?

Timothy Arcuri
Timothy Arcuri
Analyst at UBS

I do, Mike. Thanks. Haviv, I also had a question on data centers. I think you're qualified for some new designs on phase two, and I guess in that business, because you have a high-catalog business, I would think that you should be able to take advantage of hotspots more so than maybe some of your peers could. What are you seeing? Are you really going in, and are you able to gain share because you do have a lot of inventory sitting there? Or is that more like the exception versus the rule? Thanks.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Yeah, Tim, I think you and I discussed it maybe at the end of last year. I do like the market or the complexity of a rack, if you will, just because of the diversity of sockets. We like them all. We like the more complex ones that have higher AUP and are usually very competitive sockets. We like to call them ASSPs. We also like, as you mentioned, the catalog ones where you can have several options to solve the problem, but when you have inventory and capacity, you can benefit. Yes, we are seeing real-time examples of, Hey, we are lined down; please help us. Every time that happens, that's an opportunity because it's a discussion with the customer, and when you solve a problem, I think they make more bets on you for the future.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

That's part of the reason why you've seen our business doubling, more or less year to date. We plan to continue to have capacity and clean room inventory ahead of demand so we can react or we can respond to these opportunities.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

All right. Thanks, Tim. We'll move on to our next caller.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Joshua Buchalter with TD Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

Joshua Buchalter
Joshua Buchalter
Analyst at TD Cowen

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question, and let me echo the congrats to both Rafael and good luck to Julie. Maybe to start following up on some of the earlier ones, I think if we plug in the flat OpEx, it implies sort of flattish gross margins for the third quarter, despite what should be an increase in volume. Can you just walk through some of the puts and takes into gross margins for the third quarter across pricing, increased loadings, and also 300mm mix? I think basically that the tailwinds are being offset by depreciation. Anything else going on we should be aware of? Thank you.

Julie Knecht
Julie Knecht
Incoming CFO at Texas Instruments

As a reminder, Rafael said earlier on the call that OpEx acquisition charges and the net between OIE and interest should all be about flat to the second quarter. If you play that in, you have the fall-through of 70%-85% excluding depreciation; you should get in the right zip code. As far as the third quarter is concerned, 70%-85% is a good placeholder. There is always some push and pull in there. The loadings will depend on what revenue looks like, but that model should get you close.

Rafael Lizardi
Rafael Lizardi
CFO at Texas Instruments

It shouldn't be flat. It should be a little higher. Okay, Josh.

Joshua Buchalter
Joshua Buchalter
Analyst at TD Cowen

Thank you. Sorry, I'm on the road, and I might have screwed something up.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

All right.

Joshua Buchalter
Joshua Buchalter
Analyst at TD Cowen

Maybe bigger picture, I was hoping you could give an update on how you're thinking about capacity and CapEx coming into this year. With Sherman and Lehi shells built out, you're at the point where you can be more nimble. There's still probably like a year's runway from spending to capacity output. I guess how comfortable with the runway and the amount of capacity you have online you are now, and any early indications of how we should be thinking about 2027 CapEx as we think about being a couple of quarters into this upcycle. Thank you.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Thanks, Josh. I think I also said in my prepared remarks, We are excited about where we are because we have the clean room. The clean room was our biggest headache in the previous cycle that, as you know, takes two to three years to be able to equip a clean room, and that's behind us. When you think about the combination of why we are equipping at a very high level our Richardson, RFAB2, we have a full clean room available almost in Sherman 1. Not to mention a shell, a second shell in Sherman 2. When I think about our analog opportunity to grow into the brick and mortar we have, we are in great shape. On Lehi, we do have to execute on Lehi 2, because as you remember, Lehi 1 enjoyed the transfer of Stellaris manufacturing done in foundries into Lehi 1.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

We are also starting to see growth that is not insignificant on the embedded side. Lehi 2 will come in just in time. At the end of this year, we'll have the shell, and we can, again, grow into it seamlessly, as it's not a new site and we don't need new customer qualifications. Now, what we will need to do, and I think Rafael alluded to it, is we need to equip the fabs. We are prepared for a wide range of scenarios, but I think we are uniquely prepared versus the competition. I think we have done the hard work ahead of time, and we have the capacity to build into it. Regarding the exact numbers, I will keep that for the capital management call in February. As Rafael discussed, we're already making decisions right now to think about not only 2027 and 2028 but even beyond. Okay.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Anything to add, Rafael?

Joshua Buchalter
Joshua Buchalter
Analyst at TD Cowen

Thank you.

Rafael Lizardi
Rafael Lizardi
CFO at Texas Instruments

No, I would just say, high level, you can always use the framework we've given you, 1.2x the growth, to calculate capital intensity. That's not a bad rule of thumb to use to get a ballpark figure of where CapEx could go based on your expectations for top-line growth.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

All right. Josh, thanks for the questions. We'll move on to the next caller.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tom O'Malley with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Tom O'Malley
Tom O'Malley
Analyst at Barclays

Hey, everybody. Rafael, thanks for taking the question. Occasionally, you guys will give a little color on the out-quarter by segment. It sounded like you kind of broadly said you saw strength across the board. I think the question was on personal electronics before, but you answered, We're seeing strength across the board, which is typical seasonality. Anything that you could offer in terms of vectors of growth, particularly with auto acting a bit better in Q2? Do you think that continues into Q3? Do you think this mentality of kind of just in time to just in case continues to kind of spur above-seasonal growth in the near term?

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

I think, typically, I don't provide so much color on the future; this time it's just easy. It's everywhere, okay? When I look at the demand signal, it's just very strong and broad. Now we need to execute, right? Inventory helped. We are ramping up our factories. We are going after it. Let's meet again in October; I'll tell you how it went. The team has executed in Q2, and I expect them to do the same in Q3.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Tom, you have a follow-up?

Tom O'Malley
Tom O'Malley
Analyst at Barclays

Just in terms of the capacity expansion, I think that you guys have alluded to your ability to increase utilization; you also talked about clean rooms. Is there a way to think about when you are going to decide to expand your footprint? Obviously, you have plans already that you've stated at the last capital management day, or at least for some time now. The assumption here with inventory load is that you would take up utilization first. Any kind of metric that we should be looking at or market dynamic or revenue target could help us just understand when you decide to put more capacity in place versus just kind of turning the key on the existing facilities. Thank you.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

I'll just touch on the clean room question. Again, we'll give you more color during the 2027 capital management call. In general, we are good for the next three years, okay? You can go back to our capital management slide. You can see the facilities between Richardson and Sherman 1 and the Shell in Sherman 2 and Lehi 1 and 2. It's for us, okay? We are in phase three. Let's modulate the equipment. That was our vision. We are now executing it. Of course, I also think about 2029 and beyond. We can give a little bit more color there during the capital management call.

Tom O'Malley
Tom O'Malley
Analyst at Barclays

Thank you.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Okay, thanks, Tom. Move on to our next caller.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of William Stein with Truist Securities. Please proceed with your question.

William Stein
William Stein
Analyst at Truist Securities

Great. I want to offer my congrats to Rafael and Julie. I don't think it's been asked, but can you offer us any update on the timing or update on terms or conditions and approvals regarding Silicon Labs and the potential close of that transaction?

Julie Knecht
Julie Knecht
Incoming CFO at Texas Instruments

Regulatory approvals are moving as planned. We still expect to close in the first half of next year. Really no changes on how we're planning for the transaction that we finance. Still expect it to fund the transaction with cash on hand and debt.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

You have a follow-up, Will?

William Stein
William Stein
Analyst at Truist Securities

Yeah. I'm hoping you can talk a bit about backlog and the duration of the backlog. I wonder if you're seeing any extension in that that might, for example, result in a change in lead-time quotes. Thank you.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

We have seen a backlog. First of all, you look at what Q2 did; we did see backlog build throughout the quarter, both in orders that are for immediate shipment and in backlog that's further out in time. We did see that build. It's reflected in the guide, as you heard Haviv talk about what we're seeing; we are seeing strength across our core markets. With that, I'll move on to our next caller.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Let me just touch on the lead time; let me just add one point over there, Mike. Lead times are still, I think, very competitive, but they were below; I think we talked about it in the last quarter in one of my fireside chats on a conference. They will be lower core for 13 weeks, in Q2, but we are seeing a little bit of an uptick there, though not dramatic. Maybe a couple of weeks higher, simply because the demand is growing. When I talk with customers, I do believe our lead times are the most competitive in the market.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

All right.

William Stein
William Stein
Analyst at Truist Securities

Great. Thank you.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

We'll move on to our last caller.

Operator

Thank you. Our last question comes from the line of Tore Svanberg with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Tore Svanberg
Tore Svanberg
Analyst at Stifel

Yes, thank you, and congrats to Rafael and Julie. Maybe on that last point there, Haviv, obviously, this cycle you're very differently prepared than the last cycle, with good capacity, low lead times, and so on and so forth. I know share gains are something that you measure over time, especially in analog. Are you starting to see more and more customers come to you, especially in this environment, with those low lead times?

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Look, as you know, we were sharing this in our market moves, moving slowly, and this is why we like to measure it over time. As I gave some examples, I think that was a previous question of solving problems immediately. I think we, many times, are the answer. As you mentioned, in this upcycle, our plan is not to be the problem; we want to be the solution, okay? In that sense, we are ready for that. I will say that, when some of the competition talks about lead times that are 52 weeks away, that's an opportunity for TI, because that means that there is a little bit less visibility for customers, and sometimes they will start a new design, even on a very complex part.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

We are seeing more opportunities coming our way, but we'll have to measure it over time. As I mentioned, I think we picked some market share last year. We need to let this year play out and see how we did in 2026. I think this cycle will provide more opportunity. When we get to the peak, we'll see how we did.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Tore, do you have a follow-up?

Tore Svanberg
Tore Svanberg
Analyst at Stifel

Yes, thank you, Mike. I wanted to ask a question on the industrial markets, which are obviously very strong. You talked about all the reasons why. I know sometimes maybe it's a little bit difficult to dissect exactly what's driving the strength. You mentioned pricing; you obviously mentioned customer inventory levels. Then there's the indirect impact from AI and so on and so forth. I'm also wondering, for your specific products, is there also an element of just higher prices here? Meaning, you have newer products now that perhaps have higher value and carry higher ASPs. Obviously, I think we're all quite surprised about how strong this market continues to be.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Yeah, maybe I'll take that, and Haviv, feel free to add. What we saw in the second quarter, and you saw this leading up through first as well, was broad strength across the sector base and the region base. I think that to Haviv's point earlier, you have had four years of secular content growth that's happened, which has added content to industrial automation. We've seen aerospace and defense grow at higher rates. Energy infrastructure for reasons that are probably adjacent to some of the data center reasoning. Robotics grew at a higher rate as well. If you look at the entire sector-based industry, all those sectors grew both sequentially and year-over-year. Every region grew as well. It's pretty broad. I would chalk it up more to higher secular content growth than pricing.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

As Haviv mentioned, the first-half pricing was stable, about flat for us. If we see that benefit, it would likely be in the third and beyond as those conversations happen.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Yeah, let me just—to Mike's point, I think he was spot on. This is really driven by secular growth; you cannot say, Why did we have to wait so long? It's all about inventory. It's inventory of parts, but it's also inventory of finished goods of the customer. The customer, I think, overbuilt during the previous cycle, and they have to go through that inventory depletion. Once they are done, what's waiting? New systems. New systems that were designed in the last four or five years. As you know, design cycles in industry are long. I think that's what we're seeing. We're seeing no more depletion of inventory. On top of it, you're seeing a new generation of systems with higher secular growth. To me, industrial is not different from automotive.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

If you look at end equipment and you look at generation-to-generation content, the content growth is quite significant. I also want to believe, and again, in time, the results will tell, that we grew share on a larger content opportunity. Let's see how it does, but I think that's the reason you see such strong growth in industry; I expect that to continue.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

Right. Tore, thanks.

Tore Svanberg
Tore Svanberg
Analyst at Stifel

Great. Thank you.

Mike Beckman
Mike Beckman
Head of Investor Relations at Texas Instruments

We'll go ahead and close the call. I'm going to move it to Haviv and let him wrap us up.

Haviv Ilan
Haviv Ilan
CEO at Texas Instruments

Thanks, Mike. Let me wrap up with what we've said previously. At our core, we are engineers, and technology is the foundation of our company. Ultimately, our objective and best metric to measure progress and generate value for owners is the long-term growth of free cash flow per share. Thank you and have a good evening.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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