Golub Capital BDC Q3 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Adjusted net investment income was $0.34 per share, covering the $0.33 distribution, while adjusted earnings improved to $0.22 per share from a $0.18 loss last quarter.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Credit performance remained relatively stable in the core debt portfolio, with 87% of investments in the top two internal rating categories and non-accruals at a low 1.9% of fair value. However, two junior debt and equity positions drove most of the quarter’s $0.12 per-share realized and unrealized losses, and NAV declined modestly to $14.25.
  • Positive Sentiment: GBDC reported strong liquidity of approximately $2 billion, extended its corporate revolver to July 2031, and maintained a low 5.3% borrowing cost. Net debt-to-equity leverage declined slightly to 1.23 times.
  • Positive Sentiment: Management highlighted limited AI-related exposure in its software portfolio after a full re-underwrite, estimating fewer than 10% of software investments had elevated risk internally and fewer than 3% under an independent assessment.
  • Negative Sentiment: New investment commitments fell to just $13 million amid slow repayments and continued selectivity, while management expects elevated credit stress and industry-wide performance dispersion to persist. M&A activity improved in the second quarter but remained well below normal levels.
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Golub Capital BDC Q3 2026
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Company Representative at GBDC

Hello, everyone. Welcome to GBDC's Earnings Call for the fiscal quarter ended June 30th, 2026. Before we begin, I'd like to take a moment to remind our listeners that remarks made during this call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Statements other than statements of historical facts made during this call may constitute forward-looking statements and are not guarantees of future performance or results, and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of a number of factors, including those described from time to time in GBDC's SEC filings. For materials we intend to refer to on today's earnings call, please visit the Investor Resources tab on the homepage of our website, which is www.golubcapitalbdc.com. Click on the Events and Presentations link.

Company Representative at GBDC

Our earnings release is also available on our website in the Investor Resources section. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. With that, I'm pleased to turn the call over to David Golub, Chief Executive Officer of GBDC.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Hello, everybody. Thanks for joining us today. This is David Golub, and I'm joined by Tim Topicz, our Chief Operating Officer, Rob Tuchscherer, our Senior Managing Director and Officer of GBDC, and Chris Ericson, our Chief Financial Officer. For those of you who are new to GBDC, our investment strategy's focused on providing first lien senior secured loans to healthy, resilient middle-market companies that are backed by strong partnership-oriented private equity sponsors. Yesterday, we issued our earnings press release for the fiscal quarter ended June 30th. We posted an earnings presentation on our website. We'll be referring to this presentation during today's call. I'm going to start with headlines and a brief summary of performance for the quarter. Tim, Rob, and Chris are going to walk you through our operating and financial performance in more detail.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Finally, I'll wrap up with some observations on current market conditions and our outlook. We'll take questions. The headline for the quarter is this. GBDC's performance was much better than last quarter, not as good as we'd like, and better than it looks. That's a lot. That's a three-parter. Let me take a few moments to unpack each of the three parts of that headline. First, GBDC's performance was much better than last quarter. That's pretty clear from the data. Adjusted net income per share was $0.22. That compares to an $0.18 per share loss last quarter, and it translates into an annualized adjusted ROE of 6.2%. The key driver of the improvement quarter-over-quarter was a decrease in adjusted net realized and unrealized losses.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Such losses went from $0.52 per share last quarter to $0.12 per share this quarter. At the same time, adjusted NII per share remained solid and consistent with last quarter at $0.34 per share, which translates into an adjusted NII ROE of 9.5%. Finally, GBDC paid a $0.33 per share distribution. For those of you who are familiar with GBDC, you can see from the data I just described why the quarter was not as good as we'd like. GBDC's delivered a 9.4% net IRR on NAV since our IPO in 2010. If we compare that to GBDC's annualized adjusted ROE for the quarter of 6.2%, it's clearly a few points below GBDC's 16-year+ average.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

You've heard us talk for several quarters about how we're in a credit cycle, how we're in a period that's marked by sustained elevated credit stress. We've also talked, including on last quarter's call, about our view that what we're seeing fits a pattern. It's a pattern that when things shift from a borrower-friendly environment to a more lender-friendly one, we tend to see a period of bumpiness in results. I'm not entirely surprised to see a degree of bumpiness in GBDC's results for the quarter. My expectation is that we're going to see a large degree of bumpiness across the BDC industry as results come in. That all said, some quarters feel worse than the numbers, and some quarters feel better than the numbers. This quarter feels to me better than the numbers. Why do I think that?

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

GBDC's net realized and unrealized losses for the quarter, the $0.12 per share of loss, they arose primarily from a small number of junior debt and equity positions, and not from the core debt portfolio. We saw a lot of stability in the core debt portfolio. This is important because our experience is that the kinds of write-downs that we had, they're typically one-offs. Put differently, I'm encouraged by the health and resilience of the vast majority of GBDC's portfolio. I'll have more to say about that in my outlook in my closing remarks. For now, I'm going to let Tim, Rob, and Chris go into the quarter in more detail. Tim?

Tim Topicz
COO at GBDC

Thanks, David. Let's start on slide three and walk through the drivers of GBDC's earnings in the quarter. I'll start with the drivers of our $0.34 per share of adjusted net investment income, then unpack credit gains and losses that contributed to $0.22 per share of adjusted earnings. Let me start with the drivers of net investment income. There were three in the quarter. Number one, improving investment income yield. Number two, stable borrowing costs. Number three, prudent expense management. Let's go through each of these in turn. First, on investment income yield, it was 9.9% annualized, which increased modestly quarter-over-quarter. It was supported by a stable weighted average spread in the portfolio, consistent base rates throughout the quarter, and to a lesser extent, a modest amount of accelerated fee recognition and discount accretion tied to a handful of payoffs.

Tim Topicz
COO at GBDC

On number two, borrowing costs held steady at 5.3% annualized, one of the lowest borrowing costs in the listed BDC peer group, and a real competitive advantage for GBDC and its investors.

Tim Topicz
COO at GBDC

Number three, operating expenses remained low. GBDC continues to benefit from its gold standard fee structure. There's nothing new to call out here. It's just continued efficiency. Now let's unpack the drivers of GBDC's $0.22 per share of adjusted earnings. Overall credit performance remained solid. Approximately 87% of our portfolio at fair value remains in our highest performing internal rating categories. Investments on non-accrual status remained low at just 1.9% of the portfolio at fair value. That's a level well below the average of our listed BDC peers. We did, however, recognize $0.12 per share of adjusted net realized and unrealized losses in the quarter. Here's how that breaks down. Approximately $0.08 per share of unrealized losses from markdowns on junior debt and equity investments in two portfolio companies that were taken to non-accrual status or were on a non-accrual status in the quarter.

Tim Topicz
COO at GBDC

Those losses were somewhat offset by unrealized gains due to a small degree of reversal of last quarter's spread-driven unrealized losses. We recognized approximately $0.04 per share of net realized losses. This was driven primarily from the successful restructuring of [RWAM Holdco] and [Dolphis Midco] in the quarter. Importantly, the realized losses resulting from these restructurings were more than fully offset by the reversal of unrealized losses in the same investments. Lastly, and on a positive note, we recognized $4 million of net realized gains on the exit of equity investments in a couple portfolio companies. As a reminder, GBDC will, in certain instances, co-invest in the equity of high-performing borrowers. The liquidation of these equity investments, which historically has typically happened at a gain, is one of the factors that have contributed to GBDC's top-quartile credit performance since IPO.

Tim Topicz
COO at GBDC

Now, regarding balance sheet changes and distributions in the quarter. NAV per share declined slightly to $14.25 per share. We wrapped up the quarter with net debt-to-equity of 1.23x. That was down slightly from the prior quarter, while average leverage throughout the quarter was also 1.23x. Total distributions paid in the quarter were $0.33 per share. Our Board of Directors declared a $0.33-per-share distribution for the fourth fiscal quarter of 2026. We also kept up our opportunistic share repurchase program during the quarter. The company bought back 1.1 million shares at a weighted average price of $12.90 per share or an approximate 10% discount to our March 31, 2026, net asset value. In addition, the Golub Capital Employee Grant Program Rabbi Trust purchased approximately $31 million or 2.4 million shares of GBDC during the quarter for incentive compensation purposes.

Tim Topicz
COO at GBDC

This brought purchases of GBDC shares by the trust to $70 million over the last 12 months. Golub Capital affiliates now hold about 8% of GBDC shares outstanding. That's an indication of a high degree of alignment between Golub Capital and GBDC investors. Turning to slide seven, here we've laid out the NAV per share bridge quarter-over-quarter, and you can see how the earnings drivers that I just walked through translate into GBDC's June 30th, 2026, net asset value per share of $14.25. Adjusted NII per share of $0.34 fully covered the $0.33 per share of distribution that was paid out during the quarter. Adjusted net realized and unrealized losses were $0.12 per share, and share repurchases added $0.01 per share of NAV accretion.

Tim Topicz
COO at GBDC

Put it all together and you get a net asset value that moved down modestly from $14.35-$14.25 in the quarter. That's the earnings summary for the quarter. With that, let me hand things over to Rob to take us through our investing activity and portfolio in more detail. Rob?

Rob Tuchscherer
Senior Managing Director and Officer at GBDC

Thanks, Tim. I will now highlight our third fiscal quarter investment activity and provide some additional context on portfolio performance. Turning to slide eight, in the second calendar quarter of 2026 at the Golub Capital level, our team originated nearly $3 billion of new investment commitments. GBDC participated in these new originations on a limited basis with $13 million in new investment commitments in the quarter, given slow repayments and our desire to focus on accretive share repurchases. We remained highly selective and conservative in our underwriting, closing on just 1.5% of deals reviewed in the quarter at a weighted average loan to value of approximately 45%. Existing sponsor relationships and portfolio company incumbencies accounted for approximately 54% of our origination volume, and we made loans to nine new borrowers. GBDC continued to participate in add-on investment commitments to existing portfolio companies via transactions in the secondary market.

Rob Tuchscherer
Senior Managing Director and Officer at GBDC

Leveraging the capabilities of our Capital Markets desk, we acquired incremental interest in existing loans to high-quality borrowers at discounts to fair value, which we believe will prove accretive to GBDC's returns over time. We continue to leverage our scale to lead deals, acting as the sole or lead lender on 99% of our transactions in the quarter. About 78% of our new origination volume in the third fiscal quarter supported M&A-driven transactions such as LBOs and add-on acquisitions, which builds on the momentum we saw last quarter and highlights our ability to benefit from the early signs of a more active and M&A-driven market environment. Of GBDC's $13 million in new investment commitments in the quarter, 94% were in senior secured debt investments. New investments carried a total weighted average rate of 8.9%, which included a 5.2% weighted average spread.

Rob Tuchscherer
Senior Managing Director and Officer at GBDC

Turning to slide 10, as of June 30th, 2026, GBDC's $8.2 billion portfolio remains well-diversified across 424 different borrowers. The granularity of our portfolio can also be seen in our small position sizes. Each of our investments represent less than 0.2% of the overall portfolio on average, and our top 10 investments comprise just 13% of the overall portfolio, which represents a concentration level that is less than half of the average of our listed BDC peers. GBDC's portfolio is also diversified by industry subsector, with 51 individual subsectors represented. Investments in software portfolio companies continue to represent our single largest industry subsector exposure at 26%. I mentioned on last quarter's earnings call that we plan to report back on additional work we were performing to assess the impact of AI on our software holdings.

Rob Tuchscherer
Senior Managing Director and Officer at GBDC

You will recall that we are experts in software lending, having completed more than 1,000 software loans representing over $90 billion in principal over the last 20 years, with a default rate averaging about 5 basis points per year. I'm pleased to report that we completed a full re-underwrite of our current software portfolio this last quarter. I'm going to outline the key takeaways. There will be more detail in an update to our quarterly investor presentation, which we plan to publish later this month. Our credit-by-credit re-underwrite was multi-factored. It included evaluating revenue model, product criticality, data moats, regulatory complexity, and switching costs. In addition to our internal assessment, we engaged a leading third-party consulting firm at the expense of the manager, not the fund, to perform an independent AI risk assessment. The third-party consultant analyzed potential product displacement and end-user workflow risks.

Rob Tuchscherer
Senior Managing Director and Officer at GBDC

They also assessed the ability for companies with higher potential product displacement and end-user workflow risks to adapt in this new environment. The results of our internal AI risk analysis showed that less than 10% of our software portfolio was subject to elevated AI disruption risk. The third party's consultant's AI risk assessment concluded that fewer than 3% were at elevated risk. We believe our software-related risk is very manageable, and we believe there will be opportunities for Golub Capital in the software space, in part because many other lenders are leaving the sector or reducing exposures. On slide 11, you can see that non-accruals increased slightly quarter-over-quarter to 1.9% of total investments at fair value, but remain at very low levels in absolute terms and relative to the broader listed BDC sector.

Rob Tuchscherer
Senior Managing Director and Officer at GBDC

During the quarter, the number of non-accrual investments increased from 19 to 20, as the addition of four investments were partially offset by the removal of three portfolio companies. Our focus, as always, with underperforming borrowers is to use our deep bench of experienced investment professionals and the playbook that we've developed over several decades to minimize realized losses. Slide 12 shows the trend in internal performance ratings for the entire GBDC portfolio. As Tim noted earlier, approximately 87% of the total investment portfolio remained in our top two internal performance rating categories, and investments rated three, which signal a borrower may have the potential to, or is expected to be performing below expectations, was 10.6%, modestly above historical averages.

Rob Tuchscherer
Senior Managing Director and Officer at GBDC

The proportion of loans rated 1 and 2, which are the loans we believe are most likely to see significant credit impairment, remained very low at just 2.8% of the portfolio at fair value. Now I'm going to turn it over to Chris to take us through our financial results in more detail.

Chris Ericson
CFO at GBDC

Thanks, Rob. I will now cover GBDC's financial performance and liability profile for the third fiscal quarter of 2026. First, turning to performance. Slide 13 highlights the key drivers of GBDC's net investment spread, which increased modestly quarter-over-quarter to 4.6% on an annualized basis. Let's walk through the key components in detail. Starting with the dark blue line, which is our investment income yield. As a reminder, the investment income yield includes the amortization of fees and discounts. GBDC's investment income yield increased approximately 20 basis points sequentially to 9.9% annualized, the result of stable weighted average reference rates and spreads across the portfolio, while benefiting from some accelerated discount accretion and fees from loan payoffs in the quarter. Our cost of debt, the teal line, increased modestly approximately 10 basis points to 5.3%.

Chris Ericson
CFO at GBDC

Net-net, GBDC's weighted average net investment spread, the gold line, increased modestly quarter-over-quarter to 4.6% annualized. Moving to the balance sheet on slide 16, we ended the quarter with approximately $8.2 billion of total portfolio investments at fair value, $4.6 billion of outstanding debt, and $3.7 billion of total net assets. Net debt-to-equity leverage for the quarter ended at 1.23x, down 0.01x from the prior quarter, reflecting the impact of lower average investments outstanding in the quarter. Turning to GBDC's liquidity on slide 19. Overall, our liquidity position remained strong and we ended the quarter with approximately $2 billion of liquidity from unrestricted cash and undrawn commitments on our corporate revolver and the unsecured revolver provided by our advisor. This provides more than 1.3x coverage of our unfunded investment commitments and the upcoming maturities of our 2026 and 2027 notes.

Chris Ericson
CFO at GBDC

Supporting the strength of our balance sheet, in May 2026, we issued $500 million and five-year unsecured notes, which we swapped to SOFR +218 basis points. Subsequent to quarter end, we successfully amended certain terms and extended the maturity of our syndicated corporate revolver to July 2031 in partnership with our 18 bank partners. Total commitments under the revolver remained at approximately $2 billion, with an accordion provision allowing for an increase in total facility size of up to $3 billion. Among other restated terms, we successfully negotiated the removal of the 10-basis points term SOFR credit spread adjustment and maintained a drawn spread of term SOFR +1.525% to 1.775%, subject to borrowing base levels. GBDC continues to have what we believe is one of the most competitively priced revolvers across our listed BDC peers.

Chris Ericson
CFO at GBDC

Our debt funding structure, highlighted on slide 20, remains highly diversified across multiple financing markets. Our weighted average borrowing costs of 5.3% annualized remains one of the lowest in our listed BDC peer group and is underpinned by a differentiated investment-grade ratings profile. Consistent with our asset liability matching principle, approximately 80% of GBDC's total debt funding is floating rate or swapped to a floating rate, and 64% of our debt funding is in the form of unsecured notes across a well-laddered maturity profile. Following the July maturity extension of GBDC's corporate revolver, the weighted average maturity on our outstanding debt at June 30 was 4.8 years, well in excess of the weighted average maturity on accruing debt investments of 3.1 years, reflecting a prudent approach to asset and liability matching. I'll hand it back over to David for closing remarks.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Thanks, Chris. Last quarter, we introduced two themes, and in my view, both of these themes continued to play out in this quarter's results. First, we said that we thought the direct lending market had shifted direction, and we still do. After a long period of trending more borrower-friendly, since the beginning of this year, we think the market's been growing more lender-friendly. It's happening slowly, in part because of light M&A volumes. Deal activity picked up in Q2 relative to Q1, but it remained well below what we consider a normal level. Spreads on new deals are generally up 25 basis points-50 basis points in the context of this wind direction shift. The second theme we introduced was we said we anticipated a continued period of elevated credit stress.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Our expectation was that sustained elevated credit stress, that this would continue to be an industry-wide headwind throughout calendar Q2, and this has also proved right. We can see it in the data, including the recently released Fitch Default report. We think it's also going to be reflected in lower industry returns on equity and higher dispersion in performance between managers as this quarter's earnings season continues. Our expectation is that in this environment, Golub Capital is going to once again outperform. This stems in part from our strategy. We focus on firstly loans to resilient businesses and resilient industries, and we have limited exposure to junior debt. That helps in this kind of environment. It's also about our strong underwriting and monitoring.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

We think we're particularly strong at early identification of problem credits and mitigating the credit losses on those problem credits, in part because of that early attention. Overall, I continue to believe we're in a Darwinian moment for private credit. I said that early this year, and I continue to believe it. I think that firms with sustainable competitive advantages, with strong performance, and with well-diversified long-term capital bases, they're going to adapt and take share. Firms with less good credit performance or with overreliance on certain kinds of capital like retail products, they're going to struggle. Private equity sponsors in this context are soon going to know which private credit firms they can count on to provide consistent, steady access to compelling financing solutions, and which private credit firms can't do that.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

I think all of this is going to continue a pattern that I started to talk about last year. It's the growing separation between the winners and the whiners. With that, operator, can you please open the line for questions?

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Finian O'Shea with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Finian O'Shea
Finian O'Shea
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Hey, everyone. Good morning. David, on capital allocation, appreciating the posture of focus on delevering and buybacks, can you hit on how much of that stemmed from sort of the other variable, which is the quality and price of new investment opportunity? If that sort of preference is expected to continue here as you've delevered a little bit, or should you expect to go more conservative as say the new investment opportunity isn't great and there are still some credit headwinds in the industry?

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

It's a good question. We always need to think through the trade-offs between buying back shares, making new investments, having leverage be in our target range. All of those are goals that we have that we want to achieve, and there are some trade-offs between them. You quite correctly pointed out that in this last quarter, where we saw relatively slow payoffs, we made the decision to slow down on new investing activity in order to achieve our goals with respect to repurchases and with respect to a bit of deleveraging. I think the payoffs are going to increase, and that's going to give us a lot more flexibility to be able to play more in new investing activity, and simultaneously continue to achieve our leverage goals and our repurchase goals.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

We're going to have to continue to monitor all of these different options and weigh the pros and cons against each other because I think these are at core alternative uses of capital. I think it's very important for you, Finn, and I know you focused on this before, others have as well, to focus on the emphasis we put on repurchase of shares. When BDC shares are trading at a discount, they're trading at a discount to what managers are saying fair value is. I think that's a really important fact to bear in mind as you think about why some of them do repurchase their shares and some don't.

Finian O'Shea
Finian O'Shea
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Agree. Very helpful. Just a follow-up on credit pressure. We're seeing a bit more last couple of quarters, including this quarter on the home services area. You have a little bit of that. Seeing if you could outline anything thematically going on there, if it's sort of a repeat of the healthcare roll-up issues or something in the K-shaped economy or whatnot.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

I think you're right that we're seeing a pattern, I describe the pattern maybe less about being home services than about being businesses that are impacted by slower degrees of home sales. There's been some good writings on this. We've seen that we are in a period since 2022 when mortgage rates have gone up. If you are a homeowner and a holder of a pre-2022 mortgage, you're reluctant to give up that mortgage because your replacement mortgage will be much more expensive, even if you want to move. That has cut down the amount of moving activity. I think one of the reasons why some home services businesses have seen slack demand is related to this move volume being below normal. I don't think that can persist forever. I think this is a self-curing problem.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

I don't think it's going to be cured tomorrow either. You're going to see some continued pressure in that space on businesses that are reliant on or that are influenced by the amount of moving activity.

Finian O'Shea
Finian O'Shea
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Great. That's all for me. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kenneth Lee with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Kenneth Lee
Kenneth Lee
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Hey, good morning, and thanks for taking my question. Just one in terms of the deal activities, in terms of the deals you saw in the quarter, and you mentioned a brief pickup in some of the spreads on new investments. Wondering if you could just further flesh that out. What are you seeing in terms of terms, in terms of docs versus what you saw in the March quarter? Thanks.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Sure. I think most folks in our industry expected 2026 to see much stronger M&A volumes than we saw in 2025. As the year turned, as we got into January, February, that did not happen. In fact, we saw reductions, not increases in M&A in Q1. In Q2, we saw a little bit of recovery, Ken, but we're still operating in a very modulated, very constrained M&A environment for private equity-backed M&A. If you look at the overall stats, it can be a little confusing because industry M&A volumes are very influenced by some very large strategic deals. If you look at the private equity ecosystem, M&A has been low. As a consequence of that, I think there's been more competition and more attention around the deals that are getting done.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

That's mitigated to a degree the spread widening and the improvement in terms that we would otherwise have seen in private credit in Q2. We still saw some. I mentioned in the prepared remarks, about a 25 basis points-50 basis points improvement in pricing. There's also been some improvements in terms and in leverage levels. So the overall situation is actually a bit better than just that spread increase. But I think we're going to see more. I think we're going to see more when M&A starts to recover more clearly. I think over the course of the coming quarters, we'll see both an increase in M&A activity and a further improvement in the terms and conditions available for new loans for private credit players.

Kenneth Lee
Kenneth Lee
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Got you. Very helpful there. Just one follow-up, if I may. Within the software loan portfolio there, the sequential pickup in the bottom three risk grades, wondering if you could just talk about any common themes there, anything notable driving some of the movement there. Thanks.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Yeah. Let's go back to a conversation that we had at the very beginning of the year, Ken. I was asked, "All this AI stuff, you've got some competitors who are saying it's a big nothing." I said very pointedly, "It is not a big nothing." There is a very significant change in the cost of coding as a result of AI, and there are going to be winners and losers in the industry that arise because of this very significant change that was not fully anticipated. What I also said at the time was, I think we're well-positioned for this. We are experts in software lending. We've been doing it for a very long time, very successfully. And we've been thinking about AI in the context of our lending activity. All that's true. I'm also going to say we're not perfect.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Rob Tuchscherer talked about how in our re-underwriting and in looking at our portfolio with an outside consultant, we identified that we had a small subset, but identifiable subset of our software loans where the companies are susceptible to some issues related to AI. I think we're seeing that. I think we're beginning to see that. I think that's going to become a continuing theme, not just for us, but for everybody in the industry. Software's going to separate into winners and losers. I think our portfolio is very manageable, but there were a couple of instances in the portfolio where we're distinguishing some losers or some potentially challenged companies in our portfolio and reflecting that in valuations.

Kenneth Lee
Kenneth Lee
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Got you. Very helpful there. Thanks again.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Paul Johnson with KBW. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Paul Johnson
Paul Johnson
Analyst at KBW

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Just with the trends we've seen across the sector, credit's been normalizing. You're talking about here on the call, a little bit of migration within your portfolio as well. I guess, how good of a grasp do you think that you have in terms of kind of outlining the tail within the portfolio? At this point, do you think that the tail within the portfolio is pretty much known, or it's still growing at this point? It's relatively kind of early on in this normalization process. I'm just curious kind of where you think the industry is at in terms of the tail that we've seen increasing across the space, and then also, I guess, within GBDC's portfolio.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Thanks, Paul. If there's a critical point for investors and analysts to focus on right now, I think it's exactly where you were headed. We're in a credit cycle. I've been saying it for a year. Others denied it for a while. I don't think there's a lot of denial anymore. We're in a credit cycle. There's elevated credit stress. It's going to result in winners and losers within people's portfolios, and it's going to create winners and losers between different managers because it's during credit cycles that dispersion between different managers becomes really significantly pronounced. We've already started to see that. I think we're going to see more. One of the patterns that I've seen over 30 years is that some managers do a better job than others in early identification of problems. We're giant believers in early identification of problems.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

The reason we focus so much on this is that in our experience, when you identify a problem situation early, there are just a lot more options that you can explore with a sponsor, with a management team. When you come into a situation that's problematic late, when there are liquidity issues, there tend to be no good options and a choice between some bad and terrible options. We're very focused on this early identification. That leads us, I think, to identify our tail earlier than others. It also leads us, I think, to value that tail more accurately because we're on it. I think that's where we're at right now. I think we're at a phase where we're most of the way toward having identified the credits in our portfolio that are going to have challenges.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

I think across the industry, there are others who are not at the same phase, and you're going to see that over the course of this quarter and the next several quarters.

Paul Johnson
Paul Johnson
Analyst at KBW

Thanks for that, David. That's very helpful. Also, I guess, in terms of the growth that you're seeing, because there is still growth out there as well, of course, and it's obviously different across different industries, but what is the quality of growth that you're still seeing within sponsor-backed portfolios? Maybe coming down, not as strong as it was, but I'd just be curious how much of this is organic growth versus growth that's just becoming more challenged and perhaps requires more M&A to kind of achieve those sufficient growth rates.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

I think if you look at the Golub Capital Altman Index numbers, it's instructive vis-a-vis your question, Paul. What it shows, if you look at the numbers, is that we're still seeing a growing economy. We're still seeing growth in revenues and in EBITDA in our portfolio companies. The pace of that growth is moderate, especially on an inflation-adjusted basis. It's moderate. It's not as strong as it was in the immediate post-COVID period. It's not bad. It's not recessionary, but it's muddling growth. My expectation is that we're going to continue to see that pattern. There's some outlier events that may occur, including the situation in the Middle East, that could drive in a more negative direction. I see a lot of momentum right now and a lot of resilience in the U.S. economy in this slow to medium growth range.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

What does that mean for M&A volumes? I think there are a lot of pent-up buyers and pent-up sellers in the private equity ecosystem. What we need is a period of stability, a period where we've got less uncertainty around rates, less uncertainty around energy prices, and we'll start to see a growing degree of M&A, and I think that would be very healthy for the PE ecosystem.

Paul Johnson
Paul Johnson
Analyst at KBW

Got it. Appreciate it. Those are all the questions from me.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Robert Dodd
Robert Dodd
Analyst at Raymond James

Morning, everybody. David, if I can go back to software, I apologize almost for that. Briefly, I think three of your new non-accruals this quarter were software. Were they all in the group that you would have considered elevated AI risk, or are there other themes also going on in the software kind of segment? Your software segment is pretty broad because the way you define it. Are there other issues going on there, or were all of those issues you precisely say, like going to the table quickly and kind of putting them on non-accrual earlier than you think some others might be willing to do?

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

It's a great question, Robert. I don't think there's ever just one reason for almost anything in life. I don't want to lead everyone to think that, oh, this is all just AI. There are always multiple issues. In some cases, there are acquisitions that have been made where the integration maybe isn't going as smoothly as was expected. It's very difficult to successfully generalize about sources of or reasons for underperformance. I would also say, I think AI is and will continue to be a meaningful factor.

Robert Dodd
Robert Dodd
Analyst at Raymond James

Got it. Thank you. Following that, the number you gave, your internal assessment was less than 10% subject to elevated AI risk. The third party, I think, was less than 3%, if I heard correctly. That's a pretty significant difference in terms of the third party being meaningfully more optimistic than your internal assessment, maybe credit guys are always pessimistic. You gave a little color on it, was it significant? Is there a theme there on why their analysis, the third party, came out with a meaningfully more optimistic assessment than your own internal review?

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Well, I actually view the two much more similarly than you do. I wouldn't get too focused on the difference between these two. We don't have exactly the same grading scale. There's no agreement on here's the basis for making an assessment or here's what exactly the words mean. I think I would take a different conclusion or a different lesson from the two different analyses, which is they're both low numbers. That's the really important thing, Robert. They're both low numbers. The reality, if you ask me, is that if we looked across the software industry, the proportion of software companies that are going to be vulnerable to AI-related elevated risks, it's a lot higher than what's in our portfolio.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Our focus on enterprise risk systems that are deeply embedded in their clients' businesses, that control data, that are systems of record, that are, in many cases, in regulated industries where security and other issues are hard to manage. That's why our software is in good shape. It's because of choices that we've made, underwriting decisions that we've made over an extended period of time about what constitutes a Golub software credit? I think that's really the key thing I would like for you and others to take away.

Robert Dodd
Robert Dodd
Analyst at Raymond James

Got it. Appreciate that. One more if I can, real quick. On the dividend, in prior quarters, you'd said you'd revisit the dividend or reevaluate the policy in context of industry trends, right? Better spreads, moderate base rates. That was the past. Right now, it sounds like spreads are moving a little higher. The forward outlook for base rates might be more up than down, or at least stable. I don't think we're going to three-month SOFR anytime soon. I'm not a rate forecaster. Would you say, the dividend is always under review, obviously, but do you think any reevaluation is likely to be a more longer-term issue if we sit in an environment with a little higher SOFR, a little wider spreads in the short term, the reevaluation might not be necessary?

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Those are clearly helpful, right? Higher base rates are good. Higher spreads are good. Whenever we talk about dividend policy, I just want to remind everybody about our approach. Our approach is, we want to pay out an amount that is a good distribution for shareholders while at the same time, holding a steady NAV and not changing our dividend too frequently. Those are all things we need to weigh. I'd say the trends in the last quarter were a little helpful on that front. I don't think many of us were expecting the SOFR forward curve to switch directions and it has. That's a useful thing from the standpoint of being able to project future earnings power. It's something we're going to have to continue to watch. It's part of what being a floating rate debt manager involves.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

You've got to constantly be looking at what's forward earnings power.

Robert Dodd
Robert Dodd
Analyst at Raymond James

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ethan Kaye with Lucid Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Ethan Kaye
Analyst at Lucid Capital Markets

Hey, good morning, guys. You mentioned some opportunities, I think, in the secondary market here. Can you kind of just help size that for us, how much was done? I guess maybe this quarter it wasn't too significant given overall investment levels. Is this something that you think there's still opportunity for going forward? Maybe also, can you kind of ballpark at what percent discount some of these purchases were executed?

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Sure. Let me take a step back, because this, again, isn't a subject that's gotten a lot of, in my mind, confusing and misinformation. There have been a series of articles in the press about how secondary sales of private credit, that this is new and bad, and I want to take the opposite position. I think it's old and good. We've had a desk at Golub Capital focused on sales and trading of private credit loans for more than a decade. We're a market leader at doing it. This is something that we have been doing a very long time. Why is it good? Well, sometimes in private credit borrower lending groups, there's a lender who wants to sell. If you think about this in the simplest of contexts, they have an old fund.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

They have a desire to rebalance and put their capital in a different place. They have a debt facility that's maturing. They have lost confidence in a sponsor or a sponsor relationship. There are lots of different reasons. From a borrower's standpoint, once there's a lender who wants to sell, their choice is they can either have an unhappy lender in their group, or they can have a new lender. We think that it's almost always better for them to have a new lender, and we're in the business of facilitating that. In the process, we also, because of this position we're in as the largest sales and trading party, we also get to see a lot of stuff. Sometimes what we see, we want to buy. In the calendar year-to-date, the Golub Capital sales and trading activity has exceeded $2 billion.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

It's a record first half for us. Across the platform, we've seen some opportunities to buy some loans that we think are attractive. Is it a major part of the platform's overall origination activity? No. The vast preponderance of what we're doing is arrangement, origination of new loans. We think it's a meaningful competitive advantage of the platform to have this sales and trading expertise. We think it's good for our sponsor clients because we're able to help them replace unhappy lenders with happy ones. We think it's good for our investors because it gives us a source of information and opportunities that aren't widely available. For GBDC in calendar Q2, this was not a meaningful source of new investment activity. I'm glad you raised it because I think it's an example of a competitive advantage of the Golub Capital platform.

Ethan Kaye
Analyst at Lucid Capital Markets

Understood. I appreciate that. Then one more from me. You talked about, in the prepared remarks, some of the kind of reversal of some of the spread-driven markdowns from last quarter. I think we heard from another peer kind of indicate on their call that there was still actually some pressure on their NAV in 2Q from this. I'm just wondering if there's anything maybe you can point to that might drive that distinction, right? Like is it perhaps a function of the respective markets you guys are focused on?

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

I don't think we saw a lot of spread-related valuation movement in the portfolio in Q2. I think that was primarily a Q1 event. There was a little bit of bounce back in, what I mean by that is spread tightening, in the larger size range of the private credit universe in Q2. Not a lot. The main story was stabilization. I think what you're going to see across Q2 results in the industry is credit-related valuation changes. My expectation is we're going to see a bunch of those. That's what happens when you're in a credit cycle.

Ethan Kaye
Analyst at Lucid Capital Markets

Got it. Thank you, guys.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to David Golub for closing remarks.

David Golub
David Golub
CEO at GBDC

Great. Thanks everyone for listening today. As always, if you have a question that we did not cover today or that you think of later, feel free to reach out, and we look forward to talking to you again in a quarter.

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.

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      COO at GBDC
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      CFO at GBDC
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      Analyst at Wells Fargo
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      Analyst at KBW
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      Analyst at Raymond James
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      Analyst at Lucid Capital Markets