Spotify Technology Q2 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Strong Q2 performance: Revenue grew 15% year over year on a constant-currency basis to €4.8 billion, gross margin reached a record 33.4%, operating income was €655 million, and free cash flow rose 14% to €797 million. Spotify exceeded subscriber guidance, reaching 300 million Premium subscribers.
  • Positive Sentiment: Advertising infrastructure is improving: Automated sales represented nearly 40% of ad-supported revenue, active advertisers increased 60% year over year, and Spotify expects advertising growth to reach double digits in the second half of 2026. Management also sees a path to materially higher ad margins as the business scales.
  • Negative Sentiment: Spotify is introducing more friction in its free service across select emerging markets, including changes to ad load, product features, device support, and sign-up flows. These actions are expected to slow MAU growth in Q3, with guidance for 788 million MAUs versus 777 million in Q2, although management expects subscriber growth to remain intact.
  • Negative Sentiment: Q3 includes elevated marketing and AI-related spending, with approximately €200 million of incremental operating expenses planned for 2026; gross margin is expected to moderate to 32.9% from Q2’s record level. Management says these costs are controllable and expects expense growth to moderate in Q4.
  • Positive Sentiment: New monetization and engagement initiatives are gaining traction: Reserved ticketing has facilitated nearly 100,000 ticket reservations, Audiobooks+ has surpassed €100 million in annual recurring revenue, Prompted Playlist reached 14 million users in its initial rollout, and Song DNA has been used by more than 100 million subscribers. Spotify also expanded licensing for AI-enabled covers and remixes through a deal with Merlin.
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Operator

Hello, welcome to the Spotify Q2 2026 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, press star one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to turn the conference over to Bryan Goldberg, Head of Investor Relations at Spotify. You may begin.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

Great. Thanks, Operator, welcome to Spotify's first quarter 2026 earnings conference call. Joining us today will be our Co-CEOs, Alex Norström and Gustav Söderström, and our CFO, Christian Luiga. We'll start with opening comments from the team. Afterwards, we'll be happy to answer your questions. Questions can be submitted by going to slido.com, S-L-I-D-O dot com, and using the code #SpotifyEarningsQ226. Analysts can ask questions directly into Slido. All participants can then vote on the questions they find the most relevant. If for some reason you don't have access to Slido, you can email Investor Relations at ir@spotify.com. We'll add in your question. Before we begin, let me quickly cover the safe harbor. During this call, we'll be making certain forward-looking statements, including projections or estimates about the future performance of the company.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially because of factors discussed on today's call, in our shareholder deck, and in filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. During this call, we'll also refer to certain non-IFRS financial measures. Reconciliations between our IFRS and non-IFRS financial measures can be found in our shareholder deck, in the financial section of our investor relations website, and also furnished today on Form 6-K. With that, I'll turn the call over to Alex.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Thank you, Bryan. Hey, everyone. Thank you for joining us. I hope you're having a great summer. Today, we'll pick up where we left off at our Investor Day in May, updating you on what we said, what we've shipped since then, and also what the early signals are telling us. Q2 was another quarter of healthy, broad-based growth. Revenue grew 15% year-over-year on a constant currency basis, accelerating from 14% in Q1. Gross margin hit a record of 33.4%. Free cash flow continued to strengthen. We beat our subscriber guidance, crossing 300 million subs for the first time, all while continuing to grow engagement with the number of active days for global subs increasing. What pleases me the most is the shape of the quarter. More people are choosing Spotify, they're engaging more deeply, and they're converting.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

We've been working on turning our outperformance in MAU into revenue growth. To capitalize on this opportunity, we are adjusting elements like product optimization and ad load, among other things, in select emerging markets. This strategy carefully increases friction in our free service with a goal of driving higher user conversion and revenue growth down the line. This will show itself in our Q3 MAU, but we believe it's well worth it. As we've shared previously, the free to paid conversion cycle in emerging markets grows differently than our established markets. While a move like this one will take time to play out, the opportunity is vast. This will be additive to our potential over time, and as you will hear soon from Christian, we do not expect it to come at the expense of our subscriber growth.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

We've talked before about rebuilding our ads business, and the results are really starting to show. On the supply side, our audience of very attractive global users keep expanding our inventory. On the demand side, the enhanced technology we've deployed is making it much easier for advertisers to reach these engaged users. Just one example, our automated channels represent nearly 40% of ad-supported revenue in Q2, up from just over 30% in Q1. Active advertisers grew 60% year-over-year. We're now set up in a way we weren't a year ago, and we will keep building from here. Another development from the quarter worth calling out, our launch of Reserved. At Investor Day, we called it one of the most wonderful improvements to Premium in our history, and the early signs really back that up.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Since launching in the U.S. in June with Live Nation, Reserved has supported multiple tours with nearly 100,000 tickets reserved through Spotify. For some tours, we sold through 100% of our allocations, and Live Nation upsized them mid-run. The biggest fans get first access, artists get their most dedicated audience in the room, and every seat we fill makes a Spotify subscription just more valuable. I'd like to use the remainder of my time on something that Gustav and I think about a lot, Spotify's position. These are unique times. Business history has produced just a handful of companies with hundreds of millions of recurring paying customers worldwide. Spotify is proud to be one of them. Like many of the others, we built that scale on a single product. That is unique territory to be in.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

I'm a student of Charlie Munger, who once said that the one structural advantage that matters disproportionately is scale. If you're choosing a music streaming service for the first time, it matters that one brand comes with several hundred million passionate ambassadors. Perhaps most consequentially, the scale and the cash generation we now have lets us innovate and invest in building a much better product, adding more value for every subscriber around the world in the most cost-efficient and competitive way. The point is, scale matters. In the past five years, we've added more than 25 million net subscribers every year, growing in developed and emerging markets alike. With over 300 million subscribers and 777 million users, we have achieved consequential scale. Our financial picture tells the same story.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Since our last Investor Day in 2022, revenue has compounded at 18% a year, reaching EUR 17 billion in 2025. Gross margin went from 25% to over 33% this quarter. We became more disciplined with OpEx, which has turned into a growing positive operating margin. Last year, Spotify generated EUR 2.9 billion of free cash flow. We expect that growth to continue. That strength is why we set the 2030 targets we did in May. A mid-teens revenue CAGR, gross margin of 35%-40%, operating margin above 20%, and strong growth in free cash flow. Gustav and I believe there are opportunities only Spotify is positioned to invest in because of our scale, the health of our business, and our focus. We rigorously explore new Premium offerings and new verticals with our customers.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

We covered these at length at Investor Day, but there are a few that's worth repeating. The first is AI. Many investors ask about our large taste model, which learns from the 3.4 trillion events our users generate on the platform every day. The reality is we've been investing in AI-driven personalization for more than seven years. Today, AI-powered experiences like DJ are used by roughly a quarter of our active users. Prompted Playlist, our newest addition, gives users direct control over the algorithm. Around 14 million of the first 100 million users we've rolled it out to are already using it, and the early retention improvements look promising. The second big idea is the power law. As we've grown, we've observed that the usage of our products, features, and content follows a power law.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

At the head of that curve are many millions of people who simply want more, and they're willing to pay for it. Audiobooks proved it first in just a handful of initial markets. We see that overall audiobooks penetration among Premium listeners has more than doubled this year, and Audiobooks+, the add-on, has passed $100 million in annual recurring revenue. It's subscriptions on top of subscriptions with more on the way. Combined, these two just make for something powerful. Inference-driven products carry a marginal cost per use, so they need a compatible way to monetize. That is exactly the muscle we've built over 20 years of freemium. Feature-gated, usage-driven products optimized for the best value-to-price ratio. Now we will price and optimize these features and content just as we've successfully done with our Premium product.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

In conclusion, we have a scale that few companies in history have reached, a business that is healthy and compounding, and opportunities only we are positioned to pursue. Spotify lives across your whole day, the commute, the workout, studying, gaming, the dinner table, and sleep. At our scale, that is rare. Most products own one or two contexts. Our position gives us an opportunity space as wide as our users want it to be. At Investor Day, we told you where Spotify is going, and this quarter, we're building momentum behind that. With that, let me hand it over to Gustav.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Thanks, Alex. I want to use my time on two things, how we're building and what we're building. Both matter for the durability of our business over the next several years. A couple of quarters ago, I mentioned our internal tool, Honk, which enables our engineers to go on Slack from their phone and ask an AI agent to fix a bug or add a feature, and then they get a testable buildback before they even reach the office. That way of working is now ubiquitous, and it's unlocking a compounding advantage. Honk is our coding agent, but there's something new that we call Chirp, which is the engine that we've built underneath it. You can think of Chirp as something that you use instead of using Claude Code or Codex directly. That sit in front of it.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Chirp lets our engineers switch models mid-task and route every job to the best available price-performance, including open source models that we host ourselves, so that we are never locked in. It also shares the context across not just different models and different developers, but across the company. We don't pay for the same reasoning twice, and we don't lose our own data. It also shows us our inference spend down to the individual developers. There is plenty of industry debate about AI investment and costs, but our view is that being an AI beneficiary means winning on the cost side too. We hold a high bar for every investment that we make in this area, and we invest only where it generates real advantage and sets us up well to drive growth and improve margins over time. If something works, we double down.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

If it doesn't work, we eventually move on. Over the last three years, we have not increased headcount while revenue per employee is on track to double. As you can see, the operating expense growth is not coming from people. It's coming from compute and marketing. Both of these are variable and entirely in our control. We will continue to invest in AI on our terms. We're vendor-agnostic, we have controls over our usage, and we always undertake these investments relative to the returns that they can support. The inference we give users is also under our control, which means that the cost curve is also under our control. At Investor Day, we laid out four big ideas about where Spotify is heading. One quarter later, we've shipped against all four. We said the world is moving from recommendation to generation with users in control.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Today, Talk to Spotify, Personal Podcasts, and Studio by Spotify are in users' hands. In the coming weeks, we'll be rolling out Prompted Playlist for audiobooks to our best-in-class books experience. Alex mentioned our large taste model, which is a big investment for us. Let me tell you what it's doing so far. In the first two months since we deployed our new autoplay recommendation system powered by the taste model, active days have increased, which is very hard to do at our already high engagement levels. Autoplay minutes and track saves have both grown significantly, and autoplay drop-off has declined. In our chat experiences, the large taste model is doing the same. Minutes are up double digits, more active days, and more saves into libraries and playlists.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

These are powerful inputs to our customer retention rates and lifetime value and among the most challenging metrics to move for us. Now the industry watch this scaling curve and the scaling loss play out with general LLMs, and one way to think about it is that now we are watching it play out with our taste LLM on a model that no competitor can buy. We said that engagement follows a power law, and we launched our first one-time credit add-ons to serve the head of that demand curve. From DJ to daylist, we know these investments take time to scale, and they pay off over time. These add-ons are capped by design. Every credit purchase carries a defined amount of influence behind it. Usage, cost, and monetization stay connected. We also said that Spotify is moving from single-player to multiplayer.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

This quarter, that stopped being a roadmap and became behavior. Messages is live, and people now react to tracks, reply, and share music directly inside Spotify. Listening activity shows you what your friends are playing right now, and listening stats is becoming something you share and compare, not just a private report for you. Almost 50 million people are already using Jam every month to listen together in real time. You're no longer alone on Spotify. You're there with your friends, your real-life friends. We said we would keep optimizing for time well spent and increasing the value of Premium. One example that I'm personally very passionate about here is fitness. Last week, we began rolling out Running Mode. You tell Spotify in plain language to build a running playlist for an eight-minute mile or an interval session.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

It understands not only your taste and the BPM, it serves you your favorite tracks to your exact cadence, mixing them together seamlessly so that you can literally run to the beat. It adds optional audio coaching right in your ear, and it stays fresh every week. This is an experience that only Spotify can deliver because of the investments we've made. Looking beyond Running Mode, I'm excited to share that SongDNA has now been used by more than 100 million subscribers, making it one of the fastest-adopted features that we've ever shipped. Finally, our music remix capability. We're excited about the product experience and what it will unlock between artists and fans. Our model is one where artists choose which songs they want to make available for remixing with consent, credit, and compensation designed in from the start. That model is winning over the industry.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Following our agreement with UMG in May, today, we're announcing a deal with Merlin, the digital licensing partner for the world's leading independent labels and distributors. The agreement gives artists across 30,000 labels in Merlin's network the opportunity to participate and make their catalogs available for covers and remixes. The enthusiasm from the independent community has been striking, and we hear that same support across the wider market. Deals like these take time, but we built this so that virtually every rights holder who wants can join in. Big picture, there is more work to do before launch, and it will take time to scale into a material revenue driver. We are very excited about the potential for Spotify and for artists. If there's one theme I will leave you with today, it is this. Investor Day described where we believe Spotify is going in the future.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

This quarter demonstrated that we are already building that future. Better engineering, faster shipping, new products, and new ways for users to engage. We are still in the very early stages of what is possible and will continue to have a high bar for investments. Our margin is a managed outcome, not a by-product. Our job remains the same. Understand the technology early and deeply and turn it into something that people love, creating value for our stakeholders. Christian will take you through the numbers.

Christian Luiga
Christian Luiga
CFO at Spotify

Thank you, Gustav. Thanks everyone for joining us. I will cover the quarter two results. Then provide some perspective on our outlook. Unless otherwise noted, as always, our reference growth metrics are presented on a year-over-year constant currency basis. We are pleased with how the business performed in the quarter. MAU continued to grow healthy at 12% year-over-year, with notable outperformance in Europe and North America. Our net additions of 16 million were 1 million below forecast. We added 7 million net subscribers during the quarter, growing quarter-on-quarter across all regions, with notable outperformance in rest of the world and North America. We finished at 300 million, 1 million ahead of our guidance. Total revenue was EUR 4.8 billion, growing 15% year-over-year, which was an acceleration of the 14% we delivered in quarter one.

Christian Luiga
Christian Luiga
CFO at Spotify

Premium revenue rose approximately 16% year-over-year versus 15% last quarter, driven by subscriber growth of 9% and ARPU expansion of 7.4% year-over-year. Our ad-supported revenue grew 3% year-over-year, which is consistent with quarter one. Our automated sales channel continued to grow fast and represented nearly 40% of our ad-supported revenue in quarter two, up from just over 30% in quarter one. This strength was largely offset by expected declines in our direct sales channel. Importantly, our price optimization work is now complete. This channel is stabilizing. We have also completed the migration of our ad inventory to our in-house ad server, allowing us to further streamline our sales process and capture more demand. With respect to our outlook, nothing has changed. We continue to expect our ads business to inflect towards double-digit growth in the second half of 2026.

Christian Luiga
Christian Luiga
CFO at Spotify

Gross margin came in at 33.4%, surpassing guidance by 30 basis points. The year-over-year expansion of 193 basis points. Favorability versus our guidance was driven by primarily quarterly timing shifts related to our growth investments. We also saw a small one-time benefit from a cancellation of the digital service tax in Canada, where we reversed an accrual from previous years. Operating income of EUR 655 million was EUR 25 million above our guidance of EUR 630 million, delivering on operating margin of 13.7%. Social charges contributed to EUR 9 million of outperformance. That was against our forecast, of course, and due to share price movements in the quarters. Excluding the non-forecasted social charges favorability, we came in at EUR 16 million above guidance, driven by the gross margin outperformance. Free cash flow was EUR 797 million in the quarter, up 14% year-over-year.

Christian Luiga
Christian Luiga
CFO at Spotify

The quarter was slightly lower relative to quarter one, partly as a result of timing of cash tax payments. Our first half working capital benefit remained consistent with the prior year. On capital allocation, we have repurchased $662 million in shares year to date through August 3rd, representing 30% increase over 2025 levels. In aggregate, we have bought back nearly 2.2 million shares since we resumed repurchasing activities in 2025, or approximately 1% of shares outstanding. Given the stronger cash flow in the years ahead, even with M&A, we expect that we will also return cash to shareholders. As at close of the quarter, we had EUR 9.4 billion cash and cash equivalents and no debt other than lease liabilities. Looking ahead to quarter three, we are forecasting MAU of 788 million, an increase of 11 million from quarter two.

Christian Luiga
Christian Luiga
CFO at Spotify

As Alex discussed earlier in more detail, this guidance includes product optimization activities in emerging markets, while growth rates in developed markets remain stable. On subscribers, we are forecasting 305 million for quarter three or net additions of 5 million. We continue to see the business as well-positioned to drive another full year of healthy MAU and subscriber growth. We're also forecasting total revenue of approximately EUR 5 billion in quarter three or 14% growth.

Christian Luiga
Christian Luiga
CFO at Spotify

This reflects an ARPU increase consistent with quarter two and improved growth in our advertising business that I mentioned earlier. We anticipate a quarter three gross margin of 32.9%, approximately 130 basis points above the prior year. Our gross margin outlook incorporates continued strengthening in our core business, reinvestments into new products, and a typical charge we take in the third quarter to account for our annual exposure to regulatory fees in one of our markets.

Christian Luiga
Christian Luiga
CFO at Spotify

Moving to operating income, we're guiding to EUR 670 million in quarter three. This reflects the above, along with a temporarily elevated operating expense in quarter two and quarter three. We continue to expect these marketing and AI-related investments to drive approximately EUR 200 million in incremental operating expense for the full year. Quarter four is well positioned to see a moderation in the rate of year-over-year operating expense growth as we move past the heavier concentration of this year's marketing of activities and calibrate on the other costs. In 2026, we continue to be flat on the number of employees. This year's investment cycle is not driven by structural expense additions. It's marketing and AI related, both are investments that are entirely in our control. As we stated at our recent Investor Day, we remain focused on striking a clear balance between LTV-enhancing investments and sustainable margin expansion.

Christian Luiga
Christian Luiga
CFO at Spotify

Although we do not provide full year guidance for gross margin or operating margin, we continue to expect both to improve in 2026 on a full year basis. As we have said, the quarterly progression of our margins is variable and dependent on the timing of investments. As you've seen from us historically, the rollout of new features and products can temporarily moderate margin expansion while setting the business up well for future monetization potential. We continue to expect meaningful year-over-year growth in free cash flow in 2026. In conclusion, we had a solid quarter two. We remain well-positioned to continue compounding growth, profitability and free cash flow. With that, I hand it back to you, Bryan, in Q&A.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

Thank you, Christian. Again, if you've got any questions, please go to slido.com, #SpotifyEarningsQ226. We'll be reading the questions in the order they appear in the queue with respect to how people vote up their preference for questions. Our first question today is going to come from Jessica Reif Ehrlich on the product roadmap. You have a unique global platform for both audio and video products. You provided a robust product roadmap in May at your analyst event. What products are you most excited about in the near term, and where do you think you will get the most traction over the next three to five years?

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Thanks for the question, Jessica. This is Gustav. I'll start, and then maybe Alex wants to jump in because I know he's also very excited about product. This is kind of like asking me to choose between my children, so it's a tough question, but I'll try. First, I kind of want to level up a little bit because what I am most excited about is the system that we've built and what we presented at Investor Day. The way to think about it is, sometime ago, over a year ago, Alex and I spoke, and we realized that the world that we were in, where software development was mostly an amortization game, right? You developed once, and then you amortize your developer investment over more and more users. That world was going to change because inference adds a variable cost per user.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

We looked at this, and we said the game is going to change. There's going to be more variable cost per user. This could be a headwind, or it could be a tailwind. We decided to start working on changing the model where this power law that Alex and I talked about, where some users use the product a lot more than others, which didn't really matter so much in the amortization world because you didn't have large variable cost, but it will matter a lot in this new world. We decided to change the model.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

We've built this platform where we can decide how much inference we want to put into the Free tier, how much we want to put into the Premium tier, instead of saying, "That's where the party ends, you have to go somewhere else," we say to people, "If you want to live in the future, you can. You just pay more." We let some people who are prepared to pay for it run ahead of other users.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

We demonstrated this model with audiobooks, which works exactly like this. We give about 15 hours of audiobooks in the Premium tier. Some people want much, much more than that. They're allowed to run ahead of everyone else and pay for it. We spend a lot of time building that infrastructure, and as we don't like to ship ideas, we didn't really talk about it until Investor Day. That's kind of what we revealed. This system to be able to have different types of users with different levels of monetization and different needs on the same platform, instead of being sort of kept back by the average or what the least engaged user can afford or what we can afford to give them. That is what I'm excited about, having built this platform.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

We're launching a long range of products on top of this, and I can tell you sort of what I'm excited about there and which ones in the near term and longer term, but it's important to think about the structure. I'm a systems type of guy. That's what really excites me. In terms of actual products, I would say right now the thing that excites me the most is Reserved. It is probably the feature that the most people ever have said, "This is the best thing you ever did at Spotify." We've seen, as Alex said in his introductory remark, really exciting numbers there. I think this is one of the biggest values that we've put in Premium ever. As we said before, this is actually unique to us because of the structure of these deals. That's very exciting to me.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

The second thing I would say, more in terms of AI, which I mentioned in my comments, my prepared remarks, is the LTM. The LTM, we talked a lot about it at Investor Day. Pretty big investment for us, both in terms of personnel, but also training costs. It's very good to see it paying off. The bet we made there was that the old type of machine learning had capped out. More data and larger models did not produce better results. The sequence-based LLMs follow different laws, the laws that are called scaling laws, where more compute, more parameters, and more data actually produces better results. Now we're seeing those. We're seeing these scaling laws play out on the inside in terms of taste and recommendations. That's very exciting to me.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

The third thing that I'm really excited about, which I think Alex mentioned as well, is SongDNA, which is a feature that we poured a lot of love into. We acquired a company called WhoSampled to power this feature, so we invested something there. We took some cost, and now it's paying off with over 100 million users using it and loving it. It's also very unique to us. That's maybe my third, if I would rank them. Another one, which we don't talk so much about, but that I'm personally very excited about, is music videos. We invested in music videos and a great music video experience for a very long time. Now we have both a good experience and a catalog.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

We are seeing that songs with music videos, specifically new releases, are performing much better, which was the bet, meaning that music videos is of outsized important when you're discovering a new artist because you're wondering who they are. You want to see them. It's not that important the 10th time you listen to the song, but it's very important the first time. That's quite exciting to me. Obviously, I think it's a tie between maybe GENPODs and Running. Running, just because fitness is so close to my heart. I think we have a very unique experience there, which no one else can really do. There is no other service that can give you a playlist at the cadence you're running in with your favorite songs and beat stretch them and mix them together. GENPODs excites me because it's a podcast that didn't exist before.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

It's a podcast about you, both your taste, the new releases that came out in terms of music, the podcast that you missed last week, the books that you should have read or that are coming out. Also, if you ask for it, exactly what happened in your neighborhood. There is no podcast about your actual neighborhood, but now there is. That excites me. What we see, the very early signs, I want to say, but the very early signs are exciting. This is something that is new to people. I think those are the ones that are near term and exciting. Longer term, I was also, obviously, I'd be remiss if I didn't say that our Remix and Covers, I think, is an incredibly exciting product, again, because there is no one else that can really do this.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Normal generative music will happen with or without us. This product will not happen without us, and it needs to exist so that existing artists can participate in this. That's very exciting to me. It's a lot of work. It's going to take more time, but I'm very excited about what we're seeing internally. Lastly, I would say the longer term, back to systems thinking, is really what you can see in Talk to Spotify. If you've been lucky enough to be in the U.S., we started rolling this out and try it.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

You can literally talk to Spotify now, and you get very good answers about the music, about who played in what band, when they're touring, what the song is about. These are better answers than you get from any LLM, certainly within our domains, about podcasts and books and music. Without stretching it too far, I feel like Spotify is coming alive and you can literally start talking to it. That was a long answer, but that's what I'm excited about.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Man, you covered all of the ones that I would want to add. Sorry. That's great.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

All right. We'll go on to the next question. Another one from Jessica Reif Ehrlich on advertising. "Advertising growth in the past year has been subdued despite programmatic now comprising over 25% of ad-supported revenue. Can you provide an outlook for the coming year or years, and what can you do to drive momentum in what is a very high-margin business that monetizes your engaged and growing base of users?"

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Hey, Jessica. This is Alex. I'll start. I should take the opportunity to organize this a little bit differently because I do think that this similar question is coming further down the line from Richard Greenfield. I'll try to do both at the same time. I'll speak to maybe most to why should investors have confidence in us when it comes to the ad sales business of Spotify, and then maybe Christian can talk about the margin side of things. I want to pull the lens back a little bit and talk about the past two years here. I've said many times now that we have been in a transitional phase with ad sales. In the beginning of this year, we completed that transitioning. We now are entirely on the new ad stack that is proprietary built inside the walls of Spotify.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

I think 99% of all the impressions that we serve are now on our own ad stack. The big thing is the addition of the biddable exchange that we put in place and the automated sales channels. These are now almost 40% in Q2, up from 30%. If you ask me, I can tell you that it's even going up further from here. The two things to think about is obviously supply and demand. We'll start with supply. The supply picture has actually never been stronger. It's not only about user growth and reach, which is obvious because we grow and then the reach sort of follows, but it's also about MFT+ and the new placements we have in the Free tier. It's also about us launching personalized ad load, and it's also about the depth of the engagement that we have.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

This in turn drives a lot of supply for us to sort of match the demand against. On the demand side, for the longest time, since the inception of Spotify really up until two years ago, the way to buy ads on Spotify is a brand would call us, literally call us or contact us via email, and they would buy fixed and guaranteed campaigns from Spotify. That's all good, but it's also capping us in several ways. One is it's really capping us in terms of pricing and sell-through. When the inventory is bought, it's bought. It's also capping us obviously in the ways that people want to buy. Not everyone wants to write emails, sign IOs and make calls. They further wanted to automate the buying as well.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

What we have put in place now actually uncaps this, unlocks both of these things. One, the obvious thing is that a lot of it is self-serve and automated. The other thing is that now people that find our ad inventory valuable can go in and bid up the pricing. It unlocks really both of these things. The bottom line is really that this has led to not just our existing advertisers moving over to this new way of buying, but it's also that we have increased the active advertisers. We're now at 33,000 active advertisers. This is 60% up from last year, which is great. It's the right plan and we need to just keep working on it. A funny sort of tidbit in this is that we recently launched plug-ins and MCPs towards Claude, ChatGPT as well as Gemini.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

People are now actually prompting to create campaigns and audio assets. I think out of the 33,000 active advertisers, we now have 7,000 of them using our AI audio asset creation tool, which just makes it easier for brands to buy on Spotify. There's a lot of change going on, but I'll just rinse-repeat. There's something that hasn't changed, and that's the three reasons that people come to Spotify to buy ads. It's the beloved brand, it's the high-quality content, and it's our high user engagement.

Christian Luiga
Christian Luiga
CFO at Spotify

Christian here, just on the margin side to fill in on that. One of the things you brought up, Alex, is very important to understand. When we move to an automated sales channel and we also have self-serve, it becomes a scale business different from before. As we scale and the ads monetization, both from music and podcast, we will also be able to improve our profitability. As we said at our Investor Day, we believe that we can move from the 20% range we have today towards 40% over time. Music, as we scale in emerging markets, we should see healthy margin flow through on ad sales. That's what I wanted to add on the margin side.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

Okay, our next question is going to come from Rich Greenfield on music add-ons. "Are you surprised more artists have not signed on to the AI music tier to enable you to launch? What is stopping artists from participating?"

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

I'll start and then maybe Gustav, you can jump in. Following our agreement that we had with UMG and Universal Music Publishing Group in May, we announced today the deal with Merlin, which adds 30,000 labels in Merlin's network, the opportunity to partake into this new product that we're building around covers and remixes. I think it's worth rinse-repeating what we said during Investor Day. What we're trying to do is very considerate and planned out. We call it the 3Cs at Spotify. First of all, we are looking for consent.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

We want artists to be consenting their work into this catalog so people can play around with covers and remixes based on their art. We also obviously want to give them credit. Last but not least, this is about compensation to labels and publishers and artists and songwriters. Not only do we have the consent and give credit, but we also drive the compensation for this. Really, we're talking about the first legal way to partake in this AI tailwind that we see coming for interactive music, basically.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

I would just say we have really strong momentum there. One thing that I think is important to remember is that while you can see that there is skepticism around net new artificial music by many people out there, what we're doing is something different and artists see that. Our products are about real artists, not fake artists, and in the case of remixes, real artists with real voices, right? You're listening to real people. That's a very different proposition, which is why we're focusing on this. This is the thing that doesn't exist. Artists remain excited about that, and consumers remain excited about that. It is an ever-changing landscape. I would say what to expect from us is that you should expect to see a research preview coming out of our model where we start to give this to some users.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

For that, we do not require, as we've said before, a full catalog. Why is this important for us? This is not a test of the product. It is the thing that guarantees that the product will be very good. For those of you who know about machine learning, you know that one of the most important phases is the post-training using reinforcement learning. What we will do is we will allow people who are fans of a certain artist to start making remixes with songs from that artist. What they do is they say, "I think this remix was better than this remix." Then we get the preference data that actually makes the model better. This is our unique advantage in this business.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

We have now 777 million people and music fans to do reinforcement learning with, which is why we think we're very well-positioned in this business. That's what you should expect as the next step. We're going to launch the product when it's ready, and we think it's good enough, and it has the right appeal to consumers.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

Okay, our next question is going to come from Justin Patterson on AI tooling. Over the course of 2026, we've seen meaningful momentum in open source. How are you thinking about the costs and benefits of deploying open source more broadly versus how you're using Anthropic's Claude and other models today?

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Yeah. I'll go here as well. Of course, the open-source movement is very helpful for us, and we've talked about this. The large taste model is based on open source. It is using what is called CPT, continuous pre-training, where you take a model that was trained, an open-source model, and you continue to train it on your proprietary data. This is what I talked about that is performing really well for us. The fact that these models come out more often are much better and cheaper at the same time, it's obviously very helpful for the consumer product. It's also helpful for our development environment and our developer cost.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

As I said, we've built this internal product called Chirp that we will also offer to other companies actually, because they're asking for the same thing, where you can seamlessly switch between one of the paid models and a hosted open-source model, keeping the context of the project that you were in, right? This is why it's important for us that we control the context of the development we're doing so that we can always go towards the best price performance.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Also, I think you can all see that this is putting pressure on the pricing, and there are lots of announcements of prices coming down per token, which is obviously very helpful for us. On a constant per-feature quality level, it's pretty clear that the costs are coming down for a certain level of quality. That doesn't mean that we won't use more advanced models, but for a certain feature of level of quality, the costs are coming down quite fast.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

Okay, our next question is going to come from Batya Levi on MAU. What's informing your guidance for slower MAU growth in the third quarter? Do you see a change in the competitive environment or the general intake for your campaigns? If I may, I see Benjamin Black had a question about some initiatives to drive MAU growth in the future as well. You might want to address that also.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Yeah, I will. Thanks, Batya and Benjamin. Just to hijack this for a second. You don't see us here, but Gustav and I are in Stockholm. The sun is shining, and we're happy about the fundamentals of Spotify. It's really in a good place. We just hit 300 million subscribers, and we're super elated to be in this sort of rarefied air, and it just keeps growing. On the question of MAU. We've had a few years of outperformance in MAU, and maybe more recently in the maybe past four or five quarters, we've had outperformance relating specifically to emerging markets. I think we've pointed that out in past earnings calls. Emerging markets includes countries like India and Indonesia and so on. As a reminder, these are very populous nations. They're a very lucrative opportunity for us.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

What you're seeing us do now is that we're making changes to the product and the value proposition and strategy in these markets. We've made changes like tweaking the sign-up to get a higher quality MAU throughput. We've deprecated a lower-end Android device support which builds the business and makes it more efficient for us. We've carefully introduced some friction in both ad load and some limitations in our Free tier. All of these things are positioning us for more monetization. Gustav and I have this saying where we say sometimes we pull the growth lever, and sometimes we pull the monetization lever. Here we're starting to pull the monetization lever. Our belief is that this is going to take some time, but the shape of the growth curve follows other markets.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

The way to think about it is really when you start out in a market, you work on getting product-market fit and get some MAUs. Slowly and surely, that MAU growth will increase. All of a sudden, you have a base to convert from. You have some subscribers come in, there's some conversion coming. As you calibrate the product and value proposition, that growth then continues to become something like a Latam, which also started out with very low conversion but massive MAU growth. Our planning here is very considerate, and I think also consequential point here is that this will not affect subs growth in the near term.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

All right. Our next question is from Rich Greenfield on Reserved. You started a meaningful ad campaign for Reserved ticketing after Role Model. How many concert tours have you worked with since? Are you starting to see an uptick in conversion to paid tiers to access Reserved? How do you see Spotify's positioning in the broader live event ecosystem evolving?

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

That's a good question. Thank you, Richard. Whenever I get to talk to users about Reserved, we get so much praise. We get praise, Live Nation gets praise for the partnership with us, and the way we're sort of shaping this feature. Just as a reminder, the big idea with Reserved is that the biggest fans get access to tickets. Secondly, artists get to have the biggest fans in the room. Third, Spotify gets to have unique value for our Premium subscribers, which obviously gives us differentiation, the way the deals are structured to Gustav's earlier point. It also increases value to price perception for Spotify.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

It really is like a triple win. It's still early, to your point on how many tours we've done. It's been a few. It's U.S. only for Premium right now. The rough numbers that we've had about 100,000 tickets reserved. In some instances, we've blown through the allocation and Live Nation has even upsized them mid-run. Obviously, I'm looking forward to many more tours and more markets. As far as monetization goes, this is currently about increasing the value to price ratio on Premium.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

All right. Our next question is going to come from Jason Bazinet on music add-ons. You now have AI music deals with UMG and Merlin. Do you need deals with all the majors before you launch an AI service? Why or why not?

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

I can start there. The answer is we do not need a deal with all the majors. We would like to have as many artists as possible, obviously, but we don't expect to have all artists. If you go back to the beginning of Spotify started without significant parts of the catalog. Took many, many years before the big acts like maybe The Beatles, Metallica were on. We don't need full catalog. Of course, we want as many as possible because that's better for consumers and for creators. As I said, what you should expect is that we start improving this product in the public as a research preview so that we can start getting the preference data that automatically improves our model. That will be the next step, and then we'll decide when we launch based on where we are. There's more to come, but very strong momentum.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

All right. Our next question comes from Eric Sheridan on monetization. On the heels of Q2 2026 Premium subscriber growth reaching 300 million, how should investors think about the scope for monetization efforts as a result of more interactive tools and live event integrations across the subscriber base?

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

I'll take that. You're basically baking in a opportunity and time question and also sort of like a pricing question in here and product as well, I guess. We've said it before, but we're early in our days. I think we've reached this sort of 300 million mark, which is rarefied air. There aren't many other companies that have built one product and have 300 million recurring customers come back again and again every month. We're now close to 4% of the world's population. We've said before that maybe we'll not reach 90% of the world, but it's not implausible that we'll get to 15% penetration of the world.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Our most important line of work here for Gustav and I is actually to drive the value to price ratio upwards, meaning we need to keep building interactive tools like you talked about, including covers and remixes, but also some of the more recent ones are taste profile, Personal Podcasts, and so on. Audiobooks is a great example of an add-on on Spotify that basically generates more sort of structural ARPU increase than just price increases. I've spoken to MAU as well, there's a bit of a differentiated approach, depending on if we're talking about developing markets or established markets. We do think that the opportunity ahead of us is still immense.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

Okay, our next question comes from Justin Patterson on time spent. In 2025, you streamed 211 billion hours of content versus Netflix's 191 billion. As you expand into new formats like fitness and deepen personalization capabilities across the platform, how do you believe time spent can evolve on Spotify?

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

It's a good question, Justin. You're pointing to Netflix, and sometimes we also get a similar comparison with YouTube, and I think the important comparison and observation to make here is that we're very different from these other streamers. When it comes to engagement, our engagement typically spans many more devices than our friends here in the industry. Whereas most of them are big screen and maybe small screen, we are speakers, we're gaming consoles, we are cars, we are contexts like sleep. We are contexts like studying, where you actually find Spotify actually much more compatible. You have sort of the context universe spread out over our billions of hours. I think it's worth pointing out also that the one metric that we pay especially, put special value on when it comes to engagement is the active days.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

We've talked about before that we have over 100 million of our subscribers spending more than 20 days in a month with us. The reason why we're tracking this number, the active days, is that we find it to correlate very well with lifetime value, which is great for us, right? We've seen that increase again and again, and even this quarter, active days in a month has increased overall for Premium subscribers on Spotify.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

All right. Our next question's from Deepak Mathivanan on AI products. "You've launched several AI-powered products in the last six months, including Prompted Playlists. Can you discuss what types of benefits you're seeing in the KPIs, such as listening hours, conversion rates, or churn?"

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Sure. Thanks, Deepak. I think in general, some metrics says that AI-powered experiences now reach about a quarter of our active users. This year's launches, like Talk to Spotify, Studio Personal Podcast, Prompted Playlists, are scaling really fast. It's already reached more than 25% adoption among active users. We have scale and a healthy compounding business and opportunities that we're then uniquely positioned to pursue. We feel very good about the overall adoption. Prompted Playlist specifically, I think has reached already 14 million of the 100 million actives, that's pretty quick adoption for a feature like this. In terms of what we're seeing, I shared a bunch of metrics in the prepared remarks here around the large taste model, where we are moving some of the metrics that are absolutely the hardest to move, which are active days.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Sort of related to the previous question of viewing hours and engagement, as Alex has said before, we focus on active days as the most important metric to try to drive rather than only engagement in the moment. We are seeing those effects from this. I think overall, since 2010 when we started investing in personalization, the correlation between personalization and retention has been super clear for us.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

Okay. Our next question comes from Doug Anmuth on third quarter operating expenses. "Can you talk about the drivers of the implied acceleration in operating expenses in Q3?"

Christian Luiga
Christian Luiga
CFO at Spotify

Thank you, Doug. I understand it could be a little bit confusion here on our expense for this year. We have said we're going to elevate it with EUR 200 million for this year, something that is very much in control and structural. Just to give a little bit better guidance on it, excluding the currency and social charges we see on our expenses, our expense growth in quarter three, we expect it to be roughly consistent with quarter two. It's going to be pretty much the same growth. I think it's important to be careful with the rounding nature of our guidance. We talk about EUR 5 billion. We also add growth, 14% growth and ARPU consistency between the quarters. We're well-positioned to actually moderate this into quarter four and to keep it consistent into quarter three. This is a non-structural cost change.

Christian Luiga
Christian Luiga
CFO at Spotify

Personnel is in the same level. We do this investment to increase engagement and LTV in marketing. We have a lot of new features coming out, and we are also boosting a bit on our AI, and we talked about that in Investor Day. Nothing strange, nothing new, and we are keeping this consistent, what we have been thinking all along from the beginning of the year, and we are in full control. Excluding currency and social charges, we see our expense growth to be roughly consistent in quarter three with quarter two growth.

Gustav Söderström
Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO at Spotify

I would just chime in here. I said this in my prepared remarks, we started this year by investing to make sure that we were leading in this wave of using AI. We are leading according to other companies, actually. Now we're starting to focus on cost and efficiency, which is always the second step. This is what I talked about when we talked about Chirp, where we have control over our spend, we can choose models, et cetera. We are sticking to our cost moderating in Q4. It's also important to just remind all of you that these costs are compute and marketing. They are within our control. These are not long-term CapEx investments that need years to roll back.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

All right. We are coming up on the hour, we've got time for a few more questions, we've got a follow-up from Doug Anmuth on product tiers and ARPU. "Can you help us understand the timing of add-on tier rollouts across verticals, how should we think about their impact on Premium ARPU in the second half of this year and into 2027?"

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

Hey, Doug. Alex here. We don't comment on timing for launches, we don't give guidance on ARPU either. I can comment on this in a different way. You heard Gustav talk, wax passionately about the different products that we've been rolling out, how the usage-driven paradigm is one important paradigm for us, how we convert from Free to Premium, from Premium to add-ons. The one example I want to share is that in Audiobooks+, which was launched a while ago, since we last shared a number on that has now doubled, which is great.

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

It just keeps growing, this is just in a select few markets. Obviously that introduces another type of change to ARPU. ARPU obviously can change by way of price increases, when we have success with an add-on like this, it'll structurally increase ARPU in a different way. In the price to quantity equation, we're really providing a different type of price increase here than just sort of moving the price of Premium upwards.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

Our next question is going to come from Jason Helfstein on the pricing environment. "Is there any read-through from the Apple Music price increase that was announced in July? How does this impact your thinking about price increases going forward?"

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

We don't comment on other companies' price increases, but what it does show is that this is an example of just continued value in music streaming services, and we're happy about that for the ecosystem. Our category leadership in not just user scale and subscriber scale, but also our leadership in engagement keeps on being our focus. Of course, the more value we deliver, the more pricing power we will have. As of right now, we're happy to be the price leader in our category.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

Our last question is going to come from Jason Bazinet on the subscriber opportunity. "You had solid Premium net adds this quarter, but the record labels suggested the industry's Premium growth slowed in the second quarter. How confident are you in the long-term growth of Premium subscribers for the industry and Spotify?"

Alex Norström
Alex Norström
Co-CEO at Spotify

I'm very confident. We don't give guidance for long-term, but what we're optimizing for is a healthy funnel. This not only builds our business, Jason, it's of course aimed at helping our subscriber growth and not slowing it down. Very confident about the long-term growth.

Bryan Goldberg
Bryan Goldberg
Head of Investor Relations at Spotify

That concludes our Q&A session. Thank you everyone for the questions, and it also concludes today's call. A replay of the call will be available on our website and also on the Spotify app under Spotify Earnings Call Replays. Thanks again, everyone, for joining.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.

Analysts
    • Bryan Goldberg
      Head of Investor Relations at Spotify
    • Alex Norström
      Co-CEO at Spotify
    • Gustav Söderström
      Co-CEO at Spotify
    • Christian Luiga
      CFO at Spotify