Huntington Ingalls Industries Q3 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • In Q3 Huntington Ingalls posted $2.3 billion in sales (up 1% y/y) but saw diluted EPS drop to $3.65 from $5.45 a year ago.
  • The company secured approximately $600 million in new contract awards, ending Q3 with a backlog of about $50 billion (of which $24 billion is funded).
  • A government continuing resolution funds operations through December 3, and congressional defense bills back adding a second Arleigh Burke destroyer for FY 2022 plus language supporting a DDG-51 multiyear procurement in FY 2023.
  • The Alliant acquisition closed in mid-August, contributing roughly $163 million of Q3 revenue and helping drive technical solutions revenues up 23% y/y with a 7.7% EBITDA margin.
  • For 2021 the company now expects shipbuilding revenue of about $8.2 billion and free cash flow of $300–350 million, reflecting material timing, labor market pressures and the federal contractor vaccine mandate.
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Earnings Conference Call
Huntington Ingalls Industries Q3 2021
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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the third quarter 2021 Huntington Ingalls Industries earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. If you need further assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. I would now like to hand the call over to Dwayne Blake, Vice President of Investor Relations. Mr. Blake, you may begin.

Dwayne Blake
Dwayne Blake
VP of Investor Relations at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Thanks. Good morning, and welcome to the Huntington Ingalls Industries third quarter 2021 earnings conference call. With us today are Mike Petters, President and Chief Executive Officer, Chris Kastner, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, and Tom Stiehle, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, statements made in today's call that are not historical fact are considered forward-looking statements and are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of federal securities law. Actual results may differ. Please refer to our SEC filings for a description of some of the factors that may cause actual results to vary materially from anticipated results. Also, in their remarks today, Mike, Chris, and Tom will refer to certain non-GAAP measures. Reconciliations of these metrics to the comparable GAAP measures are included in the appendix of our earnings presentation that is posted on our website.

Dwayne Blake
Dwayne Blake
VP of Investor Relations at Huntington Ingalls Industries

We plan to address the posted presentation slides during the call to supplement our comments. Please access our website at huntingtoningalls.com and click on the Investor Relations link to view the presentation as well as our earnings release. With that, I'll turn the call over to our President and CEO, Mike Petters. Mike?

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Thanks, Dwayne. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on today's call. This morning, we released third quarter 2021 financial results that included another quarter of consistent shipbuilding program execution. Let me share some highlights from the quarter, starting on slide three of the presentation. Sales of $2.3 billion were up 1% from the third quarter of 2020, and diluted EPS was $3.65, down from $5.45 in the third quarter of 2020. New contract awards during the quarter were approximately $600 million, resulting in backlog of approximately $50 billion at the end of the quarter, of which approximately $24 billion is funded. Shifting to activities in Washington, the federal government began the new fiscal year under a continuing resolution which funds government operations through December 3rd.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Now, we continue to urge Congress to proceed expeditiously and remain optimistic that the defense appropriations and authorization processes will be completed in the months ahead. As bills progress through both chambers of Congress, we continue to seek bipartisan support for our programs reflected in the defense appropriations and authorization bills in the House and the Senate. We are pleased that the four defense oversight committees have shown strong support for shipbuilding to include adding a second Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, which is a top Navy priority for fiscal year 2022. The appropriations bills also include language in support of a DDG 51 follow-on multiyear procurement contract in FY 2023. As I prepare to close, let me give a quick update on COVID-19.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

We continue to work with our customers to satisfy the requirement for federal contractors to have their workforce vaccinated against COVID-19 by December 8, 2021. At HII, we remain committed to promoting and protecting the health and safety of our employees, their families, and their communities, and continuing to serve our customers and the vital national security interests of our country without disruption as an essential contributor to the nation's critical infrastructure. We view our workforce of approximately 44,000 employees as critical partners in this effort and continue to help our unvaccinated employees meet this requirement as safely and efficiently as possible. We will continue to evaluate how the vaccine mandate and Delta variant impact our workforce as well as material availability from our supply chain, and we expect to have more to share during the fourth quarter earnings call in February.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Finally, let me recap what HII has done from a portfolio-shaping perspective over the past 20 months. In short, we have done exactly what we said we would do during our February 2020 Investor Day. First, we have positioned the Technical Solutions business in growth markets that support the constantly evolving requirements of our customers. Second, we have demonstrated the financial flexibility to pursue these critical growth opportunities while maintaining our investment-grade credit ratings and continuing to return capital to shareholders. Now, following the closing of the Alion transaction during the quarter, our team is laser-focused on a successful integration in order to produce the financial returns we expect.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

We are also ensuring that our core shipbuilding programs are achieving key production milestones in order to generate strong free cash flow, which will enable de-leveraging of the balance sheet while continuing to return capital to shareholders via dividends and share repurchases. We firmly believe that these are the appropriate steps to generate significant long-term sustainable value for our shareholders, our customers, and our employees. Now I will turn the call over to Chris for some remarks on the operations. Chris?

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Thanks, Mike, and good morning, everyone. I'm very pleased to report another solid operational quarter. With that, let me share a few highlights. At Ingalls, let me first provide a brief update on the pending contract awards of LHA 9, LPD 32 and 33. We still believe that a bundled acquisition of these critically important ships is the most cost-effective method of procurement, and are pleased that the Navy and Congress have protected the ship schedules with a contract for long lead material on LHA-9, coupled with continued support for LPD 32 and 33. Shifting to program status, LHA 8 Bougainville continues to achieve cost and schedule performance in line with our expectations, while making steady progress through the structural erection and initial outfitting phases of construction.

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

On the DDG program, the team successfully completed acceptance trials for guided missile destroyer DDG 121, Frank E. Petersen Jr., and expects to deliver the ship to the Navy by the end of this year. In addition, DDG 123 and DDG 125 remain on track to complete sea trials next year as planned. On the LPD program, LPD 28 Fort Lauderdale was christened in August. This ship remains on track to complete sea trials during the fourth quarter, with delivery to the Navy planned in the first quarter of next year. At Newport News, CVN 79 Kennedy is approximately 84% complete, and the focus remains on compartment completion and key initial propulsion plant milestones. Regarding the finalization of a single-phase delivery contract modification, we have reached agreement on the cost and schedule impacts with the Navy and expect to execute the contract modification late this year or early next year.

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

On the RCOH program, CVN 73 USS George Washington continues to achieve key propulsion plant milestones and is approximately 92% complete. CVN 78 USS Gerald R. Ford returned to Newport News in August to begin a planned incremental availability following successful completion of full ship shock trials. On the VCS program, SSN 794 Montana remains on track for delivery to the Navy later this year, and the SSN 796 New Jersey float off milestone has moved to early next year to ensure that we achieve the optimum build sequence from float off to delivery planned in 2022. Finally, on the submarine fleet support program, SSN 725 Helena remains on track for redelivery to the Navy later this year. At Technical Solutions, the Alion transaction closed in mid-August, and the team announced new business groups and executive appointments that directly align with the strategic focus that we have previously articulated.

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

We expect this very talented team to execute a successful integration of Alion and deliver unparalleled national security solutions to our customers while growing the business and producing returns in line with our expectations. Delays in contract awards in our unmanned business for critical new programs remains a watch item. We're expecting this to be resolved by the end of the year, but it appears that these awards are not likely until early to mid-2022. Now, I'll turn the call over to Tom for some remarks on the financials. Tom?

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Thanks, Chris, and good morning. Today, I will briefly review our third quarter results and provide an update on our outlook for 2021. For more detail on the segment results, please refer to the earnings release issued this morning and posted to our website. Beginning with our consolidated results on slide four of the presentation, our third quarter revenues of $2.3 billion increased approximately 1% compared to the same period last year. This was due to growth at Technical Solutions driven by the Alion acquisition, which was largely offset by a decline in revenue at Ingalls, primarily due to lower volumes on the NSC, DDG, and LHA programs.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Segment operating income for the quarter of $163 million increased $1 million compared to the third quarter of 2020, and segment operating margin of 7% was in line with the results from the prior year period. Operating income for the quarter of $118 million decreased by $104 million from the third quarter of 2020, and operating margin of 5% decreased 455 basis points. These decreases were almost entirely due to a less favorable operating FAS/CAS adjustment compared to the prior year period. The tax rate in the quarter was a -4.3% compared to 1.8% in the third quarter of 2020.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

The decrease in the tax rate was primarily due to additional research and development tax credits for tax years 2016 through 2020, recorded in the third quarter of 2021. Net earnings in the quarter were $147 million, compared to $222 million in the third quarter of 2020. Diluted earnings per share in the quarter were $3.65, compared to $5.45 in the prior year period. Third quarter 2021 results include approximately $15 million of non-recurring pre-tax transaction expenses related to the acquisition of Alion. Excluding the impact of pension, diluted earnings per share in the quarter were $3.58 compared to $3.73 per share in the third quarter of 2020. Turning to slide five.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Cash from operations was $350 million in the quarter, and net capital expenditures were $73 million or 3.1% of revenues, resulting in free cash flow of $277 million. This compares to cash from operations of $222 million and $62 million of net capital expenditures or free cash flow of $160 million in the prior year period. Cash contributions to our pension and other post-retirement benefit plans were $10 million in the quarter, principally related to post-retirement benefits. During the third quarter, we paid dividends of $1.14 per share, or $46 million. Our board of directors recently approved a 3.5% increase in our quarterly dividend to $1.18 per share, and this will take effect in the fourth quarter of this year.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

We also repurchased approximately 83,000 shares during the quarter at an aggregate cost of approximately $17 million. Moving on to Slide six. Ingalls revenues in the quarter of $628 million decreased $47 million or 7% from the same period last year, driven primarily by lower revenues on the NSC, DDG, and LHA programs. Ingalls operating income of $62 million and margin of 9.9% in the quarter compares to operating income of $62 million and margin of 9.2% in the third quarter of 2020. The operating margin improvement was driven by an incentive on the DDG program and higher risk retirement for the LPD program, partially offset by lower risk retirement on the NSC program. Turning to Slide seven.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Newport News revenues of approximately $1.4 billion in the quarter decreased $4 million or less than 1% from the same period last year, driven by lower revenues in naval nuclear support services, partially offset by higher revenues in submarines and aircraft carriers. Naval nuclear support services revenues decreased primarily as a result of lower volumes in submarine fleet support services and facility maintenance services, partially offset by higher volumes in carrier fleet support services. Submarine revenues increased due to higher volumes in Block V boats of the Virginia-class submarine program and submarine support services and Columbia-class submarine program, partially offset by lower volumes on Block IV boats of the Virginia-class submarine program.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Aircraft carrier revenues increased primarily as a result of higher volumes on the RCOH of USS John C. Stennis CVN 74 and the construction of Doris Miller CVN 81 and Enterprise CVN 80, partially offset by lower volumes on the RCOH of USS George Washington CVN 73 and the construction of John F. Kennedy CVN 79. Newport News operating income of $88 million and margin of 6.5% in the quarter compares to operating income of $79 million and margin of 5.8% in the third quarter of 2020. The improvement was primarily due to higher risk retirement on the RCOH of USS George Washington CVN 73 and Block IV boats of the VCS program, partially offset by lower risk retirement on the naval nuclear support services. Now to Technical Solutions on slide eight of the presentation.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Technical Solutions revenues of $394 million in the quarter increased 23% from the same period last year, mainly due to revenue attributable to the acquisition of Alion in mid-August, partially offset by the divestiture of our oil and gas business and contribution of the San Diego shipyard to a joint venture in the first quarter of this year. The acquisition of Alion closed on August 19, and third quarter results included approximately $163 million of revenue attributable to Alion. Technical Solutions operating income of $13 million and operating margin of 3.3% in the quarter compares to an operating income of $21 million and operating margin of 6.6% in the third quarter of 2020.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

These decreases were primarily driven by the inclusion of approximately $8 million of Alion-related purchased intangible amortization, as well as lower performance in Defense and Federal Solutions, the divestiture of our oil and gas business, and the contribution of the San Diego shipyard to a joint venture I previously mentioned. Third quarter 2021 results included approximately $4 million of operating income attributable to Alion. Third quarter Technical Solutions EBITDA was approximately $30.3 million, on EBITDA margin of 7.7%. Moving on to slide nine of the presentation, we've updated our outlook for 2021 and 2022 pension and post-retirement benefits. For 2022, FAS is now projected to be a benefit rather than an expense, primarily due to higher asset returns.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Consequently, the FAS/CAS adjustment has increased from the prior outlook and is now projected to total $52 million in 2022. Please remember that pension-related numbers are subject to year-end performance and measurement criteria. We will provide a multiyear update of pension estimates on our fourth quarter earnings call in February. Finally, on slide 10, a perspective on the outlook for the remainder of the year for both Shipbuilding and Technical Solutions, inclusive of Alion. Regarding Shipbuilding, we now expect 2021 revenue to be approximately $8.2 billion at the low end, but within our initial guidance range. Third quarter Shipbuilding revenue was modestly impacted by material timing, which may persist in the near term. Additionally, we continue to navigate through a challenging labor market, as well as the potential impact of COVID-19 vaccine mandate.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Given all of that, we think it's best to be prudent and temper near-term expectations. We continue to expect that Shipbuilding operating margin will finish the year in the 7.5%-8% range. We expect that the fourth quarter Shipbuilding operating margin will be roughly consistent with the third quarter results, as we were able to recognize some key retirement events in the third quarter, including the completion of sea trials for DDG-121. Regarding Technical Solutions, I've noted that Alion acquisition closed in mid-August, and our updated expectations for 2021 now include Alion from the date of acquisition, inclusive of incremental purchase and tangible amortization that impacts our segment operating margin expectations. Turning to free cash flow.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

We now expect 2021 free cash flow to be between $300 million and $350 million as the repayment of the accelerated progress payments, which was initially expected in 2021, has now moved out to 2022. Additionally, on slide 10, we have provided an updated outlook for a number of other discrete items to assist with your modeling. Regarding our longer-term targets, we continue to believe that the 3% CAGR for shipbuilding revenue is appropriate. Additionally, we remain comfortable with our free cash flow target of $3.2 billion from 2020 through 2024. We plan to provide a more detailed view of 2022 on our fourth quarter call in February. Now I'll turn the call back over to Dwayne for Q&A.

Dwayne Blake
Dwayne Blake
VP of Investor Relations at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Thanks, Tom. As a reminder to everyone on the call, please limit yourself to one initial question and one follow-up so we can get as many people through the queue as possible. Operator, I'll turn it over to you to manage the Q&A.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we'll pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Myles Walton with UBS. You may go ahead.

Myles Walton
Myles Walton
Analyst at UBS

Thanks. Good morning.

Dwayne Blake
Dwayne Blake
VP of Investor Relations at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Good morning, Myles.

Myles Walton
Myles Walton
Analyst at UBS

Was hoping I could just start with the shipbuilding revenue outlook and maybe less specific to the revenue outlook, more specific to what you're seeing in the labor workforce. Moving to the low end of this range, is that anticipating things that you haven't seen yet as it relates to the COVID mandate and what it could do to attendance and workforce? Or is it more what you saw in the third quarter? If you kind of get where I'm going.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Sure, hey, good morning, Myles. It's Tom here. I'll start with that one. From an outlook perspective, we did go to the bottom end of the range. As you recall, we gave you $8.2 billion-$8.4 billion at the beginning of the year. As we've seen how the quarter played out right now, what's left in front of us right now, we now move the shipbuilding revenue expectation to $8.2 billion. A couple of points on that right now. We're a little light on material, specifically at Ingalls. If you look from a Newport News perspective, net revenues were flat. Obviously a little lift there from a TSD perspective. But when we're talking about shipbuilding, the material lags behind roughly about $40 million in the quarter.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

As we look forward into Q4, that could persist. We don't see significant labor pressures at this time that's gonna impact our revenue. We have a keen eye right now with the EO and the mandate and how that's changing. Very dynamic situation there, as well as keeping an eye on our supply chain to see how the material flows here. It's just timing right now as we see the outlook, and as I say, still in the range that we gave you at the beginning of the year.

Myles Walton
Myles Walton
Analyst at UBS

Okay. Okay. What is the percent of the workforce that's currently vaccinated? If there were provisions, is it covered in your contracts because it's a new requirement being placed upon you?

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Right. Myles, this is Mike. You know, right now we're, I'd say, roughly around 75%. We've seen a tremendous uptick in the last 30 days in folks getting the vaccine. You know, I think the breaking news right now, it looks like the executive order is being moved out into January and they're talking about having your shot by January, not completely through the quarantine. We're gonna have to interpret how all of that plays out.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

You know, we're working very closely with our customers on how do you implement the executive order. I mean, the executive order is, we have been, from a policy standpoint, directly aligned with what the White House put out. But as you kind of hinted at there, the executive order is not contractual. Working with our customers on all of our contracts to figure out how best to implement that executive order is what we're doing, and we're doing that across the board. You know, we're continuing to move ahead. Our ambition is to get as many of our employees vaccinated as we possibly can, because we are committed to a safe workplace, and we think that's the best way to do it.

Myles Walton
Myles Walton
Analyst at UBS

All right. Thank you.

Doug Harned
Doug Harned
Analyst at Bernstein

In the transition relative to the one you did when you moved to Block IV.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Well, I'll start and then let Chris pick it up. You know, the transition. When we kicked off Block IV, the contract took quite a while to negotiate that contract. As a result, there was some late material procurement, material that kinda helped us get off to a rocky start relative to that program as well as the ramp-up in production. We had a lot of things moving, a lot of parts moving on the beginning of Block IV, but we don't have any of those parts moving at the beginning of Block V. The transition for us is moving, you know, basically seamlessly from Block IV into Block V.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Pretty excited about that and pretty optimistic about where that's gonna go, so.

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Yeah, no, I think that's right. When you think through VCS and Block IV, getting back to a cadence where we're floating off one boat a year and delivering one boat a year and then transitioning that workforce right into Block V makes great sense. We have high hopes for performance on Block V because of the lessons we're learning through Block IV when you get to a two per year sort of cadence.

Doug Harned
Doug Harned
Analyst at Bernstein

Well, also on submarines, you commented this time that your services revenues were down a little bit. Can you comment on where the three Los Angeles-class ships stand in their process and how you see services revenues at Newport News trending over the next couple years here?

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Sure. This is Chris, Doug. Helena will deliver this year. Columbus is in process and moving through the cycle in their contract. Boise is really in their prompt start period. We're gonna get into a place here, and I think in communication with our customer, where it makes great sense to have sort of a consistent stream of work and revenue. It probably will not be as high as it's been going forward, and we need to create that plan with our customer. That's the status of the three that are in Newport News now. As I said, we're working with the customer to ensure we have a steady cadence of repair activity going forward.

Doug Harned
Doug Harned
Analyst at Bernstein

Okay. Very good. Thank you.

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Sure.

Operator

Our next question comes from Seth Seifman with J.P. Morgan. You may go ahead.

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
Analyst at J.P. Morgan

Hey, thanks very much. Good morning, everyone.

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Good morning.

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
Analyst at J.P. Morgan

I wanted to start off, I think you mentioned a bit earlier, that you were looking to finalize the single phase delivery agreement for the carrier with the Navy either late this year or early in 1Q. I guess, can you tell us, you know, is there any kind of margin or cash impact we should think about once that's finalized?

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Yeah. Yeah, Seth, this is Chris. We will definitize that, if not this year, beginning of next. Don't anticipate a significant margin or cash impact. It's obviously an increase in the top line for that ship, but it also extends the risk retirement events out a couple years because it extends the test program. Nothing significant or material from a sales, margin or cash impact at this point.

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
Analyst at J.P. Morgan

Right. Okay. I mean, it seems like it's mostly a timing issue, but just wanted to ask about the cash flow guidance increase this year. You know, should we think about that, you know, increasing your kind of five-year expectation, or is it mainly having to do with the timing of when those progress payments go back to the government?

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Seth, good morning. Yeah, it's Tom here. Yes, it is. The progress payments is the predominance of the change that we have right now. Obviously, another quarter with risk retirement. We have actuals through Q3, and we have a line of sight for the end of the year. Predominantly the change there was because of the progress payments that are getting kicked into the 2022 timeframe. Keep in mind, too, at year-end, we have to pay back half of the payroll FICA tax that we did not pay in 2020. That's baked into the numbers. It's timing and within the 3Q, it still holds.

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
Analyst at J.P. Morgan

Great. Thanks very much.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Mm-hmm.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ron Epstein with Bank of America. You may go ahead.

Ron Epstein
Ron Epstein
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace and Defense Analyst at Bank of America

Yeah. Yeah, good morning, guys.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Morning, Ron.

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Good morning.

Ron Epstein
Ron Epstein
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace and Defense Analyst at Bank of America

I was wondering if you could give us just some more color, maybe just following up on Myles' question about, you know, what's going on in your supply chain, where you're seeing some material shortages, and is it just being driven by delays in transportation or what is it?

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Sure. Yeah, it's Tom here. I'll take that one. You know, we've had this, conversation on the last couple of calls, and we're watching that intently. I regularly touch base with the supply chain offices that we have at each of the yards to be exactly on where they stand right now.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

As we've given in the past, you know, because of the nature of our long-term contracts, our long-term material orders that start ahead of the construction of these contracts, and then obviously with the backlog that we have that's been on contract and we have line of sight of the work that's gonna be performed in the yards, a significant amount of those requirements have already been put on order, and we're managing them aggressively to make sure that the material flows in and hits the in-yard need dates. The preponderance of the material is coming in on time and meeting the contractual needs that we have within the yard.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

I would tell you that, you know, recently, last 3-6 months, that as we have spot orders, what we're seeing is a little bit of volatility in pricing and the validity dates are shrinking a little bit on things that we have to, you know, spot buy. But from a perspective of execution of the existing contracts we have, we don't see a significant impact at this time. Obviously, we're watching how the EO mandate impacts the supply chain. The pressures that we do hear are our second and third tier who are dependent on the raw materials. It's the copper cabling, things of that nature.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Again, as we stand here today, the supply chain that we need because of our, how we've contracted that work in advance, has us maintaining schedule at this time.

Ron Epstein
Ron Epstein
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace and Defense Analyst at Bank of America

Okay. Got it. All right. Thanks for that. Then, on the Technical services business, if we just, you know, open up the aperture a little bit and think about when we walk out two, three, four years from now, where do you see the margin in that business, right? I mean, presumably, it's gonna be much better than where it is today. I'm just curious, I mean, if you can just give us. I know you're not, you know, giving forward guidance is, you know, something most companies don't do, so I'm not asking for that. If you could put a little framework around how we should think about the margin in that business as we think longer term.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Yeah. Because of how we put that division together with the acquisitions, the purchase intangibles, the things of that nature, if you notice, we've been guiding and driving towards an EBITDA relationship against the performance and where we see. You've noticed from the announcement we had in the July time frame, and then with the Alion close in August, we've guided you on how that was gonna close the lift there. You know, from a ROS perspective, we were at 4%-5%. We dialed in from an EBITDA perspective to be in the 8%-10% range by 2024. Both the initial guidance we gave you in the July time frame of Alion supported that.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

As we sit today after the close in August, and now we've closed the quarter with Alion cranked into our financials, they're hovering on the low end of the range right now, so that's good news because that's more than 50% of that portfolio. I think kinda going forward, as we see, those purchase intangibles get burnt off in the next three, four, five years going forward, obviously that's gonna be an improvement. I would tell you that the PI is baked into the ROS system. Although the ROS, even for this quarter at TSD, is 2.6% with $8 million of purchase intangibles, when you roll that out, it's a 5.3% ROS quarter, and the EBITDA is at $77 million right now.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

That's a near-term perspective and how I see it kinda evolving in the out years.

Ron Epstein
Ron Epstein
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace and Defense Analyst at Bank of America

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from George Shapiro with Shapiro Research. You may go ahead.

George Shapiro
Analyst at Shapiro Research

Yes, you had mentioned that the margin in shipbuilding in Q4 will be similar to Q3 because some items moved to Q3. Can you just list what moved to Q3? I thought you mentioned some might have moved to Q1 or so of next year. What do we expect in Q4 for incentives versus what we had thought before?

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Hey, George, it's Tom here. Good morning. Yes, I'll take that. Just a couple of moving parts there. We kinda guided, you know, in Q2 going into Q3 would be light and Q4 would be a little bit heavier than that. We have pulled a couple of incentives at Newport News on the RCOH on 73 to the left, as well as at Ingalls, taking DDG 121 to trials was a risk retirement evaluation in event. Just a couple of moving parts there from Q3 to Q4. We're still in the lane there of the 7.5%-8% ROS that we gave you for shipbuilding for year-end. I didn't mention anything moving into next year in my remarks.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

We do have LPD 28 moving or staying on contract in the beginning of 2022.

George Shapiro
Analyst at Shapiro Research

Okay. Just a separate one, probably more for Mike. I noticed at Newport News you got like their union contract that's affecting 50% of the workers up to November here now. If you can kinda give us what you think about the status here. I mean, it's more in the news given the contract was also this year.

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Yes. George, I'll start. This is Chris. We're in process with the Newport News union working through that contract. We have a very good relationship with them, and I fully expect we can come to a reasonable agreement on a contract. I know Mike ran Newport News for a while, so for a long time, actually, he probably has better comments than that. We're working with them every day to try to get to a resolution.

George Shapiro
Analyst at Shapiro Research

Okay, thanks.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Yeah. We pride ourselves on having very constructive relationships with our labor partners, and I don't think this will be any different than that.

George Shapiro
Analyst at Shapiro Research

Okay, thanks very much.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

You bet, George.

Operator

Our next question comes from Richard Safran with Seaport Research. You may go ahead.

Richard Safran
Richard Safran
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

Thanks. Good morning, everybody.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Good morning.

Richard Safran
Richard Safran
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

On the Navy's new destroyer cruiser class, the ship doesn't appear to be slated to arrive until very late in the decade. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that represents a bit of a slide to the right in terms of schedule. Could you discuss a timeline for a competition? Following up on your opening remarks, I'm wondering how you think that the Navy's strategy with the new ship now impacts the buy of a new flight of DDG 51s. Since the new ship isn't arriving now for close to 10 years down the line, I'm thinking that really reinforces the idea of a new flight of DDGs, but you know, that's my view. I was wondering what you think of that.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

It's Mike. You know, I don't think you're too far off there just in general. I think general principles are it's really hard to pin down the development path and timeline for a new program like this early in the process. You know, they're trying to work through how do they fund the design, how do they fund the project, when are they gonna have it, what are the requirements gonna be. That's a pretty dynamic thing. Trying to pin that down precisely is a bit of a challenge. Our general view is that you don't really wanna stop production of a line until you're ready to move to a mature design product going forward. As that product matures, it will interact.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

You know, the construction work that's going on on the DDGs today, the Flight III ships. We certainly will advocate and believe that the best prudent course ahead will be to continue to build Flight IIIs until that design is mature and you're ready to go into production on that. You know, if that happens to be 20-something else, then it's 20-something else, and then we'll be ready. You know, as far as the competition for that goes, that'll just lie in. As that program matures, we'll get more visibility into what the competition, when it might be, what it would look like and that sort of thing.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

I think it would be a mistake, though, for there to be any sort of curtailment in the destroyer program anticipating some kind of maturation path. We kind of went down that path in a couple of programs during my career. We've done that with submarines. We did that actually with DDGs and you know, when you try to transition over to the one thousands and then transitions back, so we had a gap in the destroyer program. Our industry is full of people who have seen gaps in production become tremendous problems for restarts of production. Let's keep the production line moving and when the production line, when they decide to turn off the transition, we will transition it.

Richard Safran
Richard Safran
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

Okay, thanks for that. You know, more general, I thought you could talk a little bit about efficiency initiatives. You know, a while back we had, you know, things like digital transformation, but I thought you might discuss efforts to reduce costs. In your answer, maybe you could talk about how much that might contribute to margin improvement and the objective eventually getting to 9% margins.

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Yeah. Richard, this is Chris. Yeah, I won't discuss the contribution to the margin rate and when we expect to get to 9%. We'll talk a lot more about that on the year-end call. The capital investments we've made, the technology investments we've made both at Ingalls and Newport News are going very well. In the most simple form, at Ingalls, getting all the work undercover really drives efficiency if you've ever been in Mississippi in August. Then the digital shipbuilding products are becoming more mature and helping the manufacturing of CVN 80 and the Columbia-class. We're very encouraged by the technology investments and the capital investments we've made, and we hope to continue to drive costs out of our products.

Richard Safran
Richard Safran
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

Okay, thank you.

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Sure.

Operator

Our next question comes from Pete Skibitski with Alembic Global Advisors. You may go ahead.

Pete Skibitski
Pete Skibitski
Analyst at Alembic Global Advisors

Yeah, good morning, guys.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Go ahead.

Pete Skibitski
Pete Skibitski
Analyst at Alembic Global Advisors

Just a follow on to Seth's question on the Kennedy. Chris, I think you said you're gonna get the contract definitization that's gonna maybe move the risk registers to the right a little bit. I just wanna make sure I'm in line with it. I think I've been assuming that the Kennedy risk retirement opportunities will be 2022, 2023. Is that still the case or have they shifted to the right to 2024 or 2025? I just wanted to level set that.

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

No, 23 and 24 make a lot of sense. We're really in volume when it comes to 79 right now, getting two compartments and work packages, starting localized testing, but it's 23-24 timeframe.

Pete Skibitski
Pete Skibitski
Analyst at Alembic Global Advisors

Okay, great. I appreciate that. Maybe one for you, Mike. I always like to ask, any hope left on with NSC 12? It seems like all the committees have reported. I wasn't sure if anyone stuck in any language or funding at all with regard to that.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Well, I think you're reading it right. You know, we have a great product line there, and we're very excited about what we've done. But right now, there's just this in the contest for resources. It's not faring very well. We'll probably just leave it at that.

Pete Skibitski
Pete Skibitski
Analyst at Alembic Global Advisors

Yeah. The Coast Guard always seems to come up short. I know. It's too bad. All right. Thanks, guys.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

You bet.

Operator

Our next question comes from David Strauss with Barclays. You may now go ahead.

David Strauss
David Strauss
Analyst at Barclays

Thanks. Good morning. Wanted to ask about Alion. I think when you announced the deal, you talked about $1.6 billion in kind of annualized revenue. You know, based on what you did in the quarter and when you're applying for the year-end, it would seem like either it's running well below that or you're expecting big growth in 2022. Can you just comment on that?

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Sure, yeah. It's Tom here. Good morning. For the quarter, I think, in my remarks, you'll see, $163 million is Q3 from Alion perspective. You kind of run that out for another quarter. As you know, for Q4, that's the run rate, a little over $300 million there. Collectively, it's about $450 million. On an annualized basis, that's like $1.4 and change, right? Then to get to the $160, it's a growth rate of, a little bit higher than 11.5%, 12%. That's the math of it. Right now, we still stand by the guidance that we provided in the July timeframe.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

We're coming through our annual plans this time of the year right now and although it's draft, we're working ourselves through executive management board, we still stand by those projections of $1.6 billion in revenue and the $135 million of Adjusted EBITDA.

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Hey, David, this is Chris. I'd also add that the integration of the front end of that business has gone very well in business development and capture. We have a $60 billion total pipeline that we're working through and prioritizing a number of significant competitions over the next 12-18 months. A book-to-bill at 1.8 in a quarter. All indications are positive for that business.

David Strauss
David Strauss
Analyst at Barclays

Okay. Thanks for that. As a follow-up, I wanted to ask about Tom, the long-term free cash flow profile. Obviously, you're sticking with the 3.2. I think previously you had said that 2022, 2023, 2024, that timeframe would be fairly free cash flow over that period would be fairly ratable across those years.

David Strauss
David Strauss
Analyst at Barclays

Is that still the view or is there, you know, is it going to ramp during that period? Thanks.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Yeah. As you said, the 32 is still good, right? We have $757 million behind us, giving you the outlook for this year. That's about $1.1 billion and that leaves the $2.1 billion left over the last three years. Straight math would be about $700 million. We do have next year, as I mentioned, we have to pay back the debt that have to be paid back. That's $100 million, around $160 million. You can do some ramp. I mean, you can just model those three years out, but we spend $0.2 billion over these five years.

David Strauss
David Strauss
Analyst at Barclays

All right. Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Noah Poponak with Goldman Sachs. You may go ahead.

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Hi. Good morning, everyone.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Good morning.

Chris Kastner
Chris Kastner
EVP and COO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Good morning.

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Tom, just, you know, with these outside of the normal course of business items, supply chain, the growth compares, shakeout, should we be thinking of next year, you know, the shipbuilding growth rate being fairly back-end loaded versus the first half? Just following up on that Alion discussion there, are you seeing? You know, we've seen those headwinds across hardware and outside of hardware. Are you seeing some of those, you know, same challenges outside of the business in Alion or not as much?

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Sure. For the first part, from a shipbuilding perspective, you know, I highlighted a little bit earlier. I didn't hit the backlog piece of the outlook, right? Unlike, say requiring either new awards or funding, we have a line of sight of the work that we have in-house. I look at from an outlook perspective from shipbuilding, still the 3% CAGR is good. I would tell you that, although it looks like we're at the same point we were through the first three quarters of this year compared to last year, you know, last year was an exceptional year. 2018 to 2019 was a 6% growth, and then 2019 to 2020 was another 6% growth.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Even specifically, Q4 last year was a 19% growth over the quarter previously there. Some material, as I highlighted, as actually Chris highlighted, moved into the end of Q4 2020 and made that year look kind of big, which now makes 2021 look flat. I'm not concerned right now because we have the backlog, we have the work, we have the labor force right now. We are watching material, as I said, and we're watching if the EO mandate impacts our workforce. I don't I'm not concerned with how 2021 is shaking out from a revenue perspective. I would think kind of going forward that it's pretty linearly in 2022 for shipbuilding.

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Okay.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Relative to your Alion question, I don't see obviously, their contracts are different, more service-oriented. We're excited with them on board. Andy's put his leadership team in play. As Chris had mentioned earlier, the initial assessments that we had going into the purchase and out of close, we've had a good six weeks run rate in the financials and look under the hood there. We're comfortable with what's in front of them, the items that they're bidding and how they're executing on the existing contracts. We're evaluating the revenue synergies between Alion making us better, the DFS and MDIS and vice versa. I feel comfortable with that going forward there. I don't see today, again, an EO mandate, significantly impacting our revenue expectations from an Alion perspective.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

We have highlighted from a TSC perspective, we're eager to watch the funding come about and the unmanned portfolio evolve and grow kind of going forward. That's a watch item for us.

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Okay, thank you.

Operator

I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to hand the call back over to Mr. Petters with any closing remarks.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Well, thank you. I want to thank everyone for joining us on today's call. Before I close, I wanted to pass on to you that Dwayne Blake has informed me that he wishes to retire.

Tom Stiehle
Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Deny that request, Mike, so.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Yeah, I've already turned it down a couple of times. Dwayne and his family have been parts of our family here for 37 years. His personal support for all of us here at Huntington throughout his career, but especially in this, in his last position here, have just been extraordinary. When you call today to harass Dwayne about the filing or the call, just remember, he's a short-timer now, and so he might have some leverage in that call. With that, we wish Dwayne and his family well, and we wish them all the best as they move forward with the next chapter of their lives. With that, we appreciate your interest in HII, and we welcome your continued engagement and your feedback.

Mike Petters
Mike Petters
President and CEO at Huntington Ingalls Industries

Thank you very much.

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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