Huntington Ingalls Industries Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Record Q1 results: HII delivered $2.8 billion in revenue and $3.87 diluted EPS, up from $3.23 in Q1 2023.
  • Mission Technologies growth: Recorded $750 million in revenue (+20% YoY) and secured key contracts including a $305 million Korea defense award and $74 million for vertical launching systems.
  • Backlog and new awards: Booked $3.1 billion of new contracts, ending Q1 with a $48.4 billion backlog (with $27 billion funded).
  • AUKUS supply chain progress: Qualified and purchased Australian steel for testing, marking the first step toward an integrated U.S.-U.K.-Australia submarine supply chain.
  • Ongoing labor constraints: Skilled manufacturing and supply chain labor shortages continue to weigh on shipbuilding schedules, leading to reliance on overtime and contract labor even as HII hired 1,700 craft personnel in Q1.
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Huntington Ingalls Industries Q1 2024
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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the fourth quarter 2024 HII Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. During the presentation, you can register to ask a question by pressing star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If you change your mind, please press star followed by two. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. If you need further assistance, please press star followed by zero. I would now like to hand the call over to the Vice President of Investor Relations, Christie Thomas. Mr. Thomas - Mrs. Thomas, please go ahead.

Christie Thomas
VP of Investor Relations at HII

Thank you, operator, and good morning. I'd like to welcome everyone to the HII first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. Joining me today on the call are Chris Kastner, our President and CEO, and Tom Stiehle, Executive Vice President and CFO. As a reminder, statements made today that are not historical facts are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements relate to future events or our future financial performance and involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may cause our actual results to be materially different from future results expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements. Please see our SEC filings for important factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from expected results. Also, in their remarks today, Chris and Tom will refer to certain non-GAAP measures.

Christie Thomas
VP of Investor Relations at HII

For reconciliations of these metrics to the comparable GAAP measures, please see the slides that accompany this webcast, which are available on our website's Investor Relations page at ir.hii.com. With that, I would like to turn the call over to our President and CEO, Chris Kastner. Chris?

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Thanks, Christie, and good morning, everyone. Today, we released quarterly results that were characterized by steady performance in shipbuilding and strong growth at Mission Technologies. We saw record first quarter revenues, reflecting the continued strong demand from our customers for our products. As we discussed at our Investor Day in March, we remain focused on delivering the advantage to all our stakeholders, our customers, employees, shareholders, suppliers, and communities. Now let's turn to our results. Record first quarter revenue was $2.8 billion, and diluted earnings per share was $3.87 for the quarter, up from $3.23 in the first quarter of 2023. New contract awards during the quarter were $3.1 billion, which resulted in backlog of $48.4 billion at the end of the quarter, of which $27 billion is currently funded.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Turning to an update on our shipbuilding milestones, in the first quarter at Ingalls, we completed builders and acceptance trials on LPD-29 Richard M. McCool Jr., which led to delivery of the ship last month. At Newport News, we delivered the first Columbia-class stern, floated off SSN-798 Massachusetts, and completed acceptance trials for SSN-796 New Jersey, which also delivered in April. We were also awarded the advanced planning contract for CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman's RCOH, and undocked CVN-74 USS John C. Stennis, as part of its RCOH in April. In addition, last month, we announced the first integration of an Australian company into the Newport News Shipbuilding supply chain with the purchase of steel from Australian manufacturer Bisalloy Steel. The steel will be used for training and testing to enable us to begin the qualification process for the incremental steel volume required for AUKUS.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

This is a critical first step toward an integrated U.S., U.K., Australian supply chain under AUKUS. At Mission Technologies, we saw record first quarter revenue with sales of $750 million, 20% over the first quarter of 2023. In addition to very strong sales growth, Mission Technologies won strategic competitions in the quarter, including a $305 million contract to protect U.S. regional interests in the Republic of Korea, a $74 million contract to research, analyze, and develop enhanced capabilities for vertical launching systems on board U.S. Navy surface ships, and an order to build a REMUS 620 unmanned underwater vehicle for an international customer. Now, shifting to activities in Washington for a moment, we were pleased that the fiscal year 2024 budget cycle ultimately concluded in March.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

We saw continued bipartisan support for our programs, reflected in the final Defense Appropriations Act, including funding for two Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, two Virginia-class attack submarines, and one Columbia-class ballistic submarine. Additionally, the appropriations measure provided $500 million for advanced procurement funding for LPD-33. The final appropriations bill also provided funding for the submarine industrial base and large surface combatant shipyard infrastructure, and authorized the Navy to enter into a multiyear procurement contract for Virginia-class submarines. Also in March, the President submitted the fiscal year 2025 budget request, now under consideration by Congress. The proposed budget reflects continued investment in our shipbuilding programs, requesting funding for two Arleigh Burke-class surface combatants, one San Antonio-class amphibious warship, and a lead Block VI Virginia-class submarine. Additionally, the budget request funds the first year of the three-year refueling and complex overhaul of CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman....

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

The budget request also continues funding for investment in the submarine industrial base and research and development efforts for the next generation large surface combatants, DDGX, and nuclear submarines, SSNX. From an operational standpoint, the access to skilled manufacturing labor, coupled with our supply chain experiencing the same labor challenges, continue to impact our programs. In that regard, we hired over 1,700 craft personnel in the first quarter, which puts us on track to achieve our full year plan of approximately 6,000. Also, in the first quarter, both of our shipyards held apprentice graduations, celebrating over 230 graduates across HII, who are and will become the leaders in their crafts. We continue to maintain our focus on workforce retention and development, and are working closely with our customers and state and local governments to solve this challenging issue.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

We continue to use overtime, contract labor, and outsourcing to mitigate risk and strengthen the opportunity for progress and schedule stabilization. In summary, we remain focused on meeting our commitments to our customers, and we'll continue to invest in our people and our facilities to ensure we meet the demand we forecast for our products and services. Now, I will turn the call over to Tom for some remarks on our financial results. Tom?

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Thanks, Chris, and good morning. Today, I'll briefly review our first quarter results. For more detail on the segment results, please refer to the earnings release issued this morning and posted to our website. Beginning with our consolidated results on slide 3 of the presentation, our first quarter revenues of $2.8 billion increased 4.9% compared to the same period last year and represent a record first quarter result for HII. This increased revenue was attributable to growth at Mission Technologies and Ingalls. Operating income for the quarter of $154 million increased by $13 million, or 9.2%, from the first quarter of 2023, an operating margin of 5.5% compared to operating margin of 5.3% in the same period last year.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Net earnings in the quarter were $153 million, compared to $129 million in the first quarter of 2023. Diluted earnings per share in the quarter was $3.87, compared to $3.23 in the first quarter of the previous year, and backlog increased to end the quarter at $48.4 billion. Moving to Slide five, Ingalls' revenues of $655 million in the quarter increased $78 million, or 14% from the same period last year, driven primarily by higher volumes in surface combatants and amphibious assault ships. Ingalls' operating income of $60 million increased 9% from last year, and operating margin was 9.2% in the quarter, primarily due to the higher volumes I just mentioned.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

At Newport News, revenues of $1.4 billion decreased $72 million, or 5%, from the same period last year, primarily driven by lower volumes in aircraft carriers and the Virginia-class submarine program. Newport News' operating income for Q1 was $82 million, and operating margin of 5.7% were relatively flat with the prior year. Shipbuilding operating margin in the first quarter was 6.8%, slightly behind the outlook we provided for the quarter. Our shipbuilding revenue and operating margin outlook for the full year remains unchanged, and as we previously noted, our expected shipbuilding milestones for 2024 are concentrated largely in the second half of the year.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

At Mission Technologies, revenues of $750 million increased $126 million, or 20%, compared to the first quarter of 2023, primarily due to higher volumes in C5ISR, in cyber electronic warfare and space. Mission Technologies' operating income of $28 million compares to operating income of $17 million in the first quarter of last year. The increase in operating income was driven primarily by higher volumes, I just mentioned. First quarter results for Mission Technologies included approximately $25 million of amortization of purchased intangible assets. Mission Technologies' EBITDA margin in the first quarter was 7.7%. Turning to Slide 6, cash used in operations was $202 million in the quarter. Net capital expenditures were $72 million, or 2.6% of revenues. Free cash flow in the quarter was -$274 million.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

This compares to cash used in operations of $9 million, net capital expenditures of $40 million, or 1.5% of revenues, and free cash flow of -$49 million in the first quarter of 2023. The use of cash in the first quarter was expected and was due to timing of collections. We reaffirm our free cash flow outlook for 2024 of $600-$700 million, and our 5-year free cash flow outlook of $3.6 billion. Cash contributions to our pension and other post-retirement benefit plans were $10 million in the quarter. I would also like to note that we made the remaining $145 million debt payment on our term loan associated with the Alion acquisition in Q1.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Also, during the quarter, we paid dividends of $1.30 per share or $51 million in aggregate. We also repurchased approximately 223,000 shares during the quarter at a cost of approximately $62 million. To summarize, we delivered strong year-over-year revenue growth in the first quarter, driven by Mission Technologies and Ingalls, and expect Newport News volumes to ramp up throughout the remainder of the year. In addition to its very strong sales, Mission Technologies continued to win new contracts and has a robust opportunity pipeline that has grown now to $80 billion. We are off to a solid start for the year in revenues and operating income, and as typical, we expect free cash flow to ramp up throughout the year....

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Looking forward, we are confident in reaffirming our 2024 outlook and our five-year free cash flow outlook of $3.6 billion. Before I end my remarks, I'd like to thank you again for attending and for watching the webcast of our Investor Day on March 20th. Chris and I, and the HII leadership team appreciated the opportunity to showcase the details of our strategy, investment thesis, and financial plans. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Christie to manage Q&A.

Christie Thomas
VP of Investor Relations at HII

Thanks, Tom. As a reminder to everyone on the call, please limit yourself to one initial question and one follow-up so we can get as many people through the queue as possible. Operator, I will turn it over to you to manage the Q&A.

Operator

Thank you, Kristi. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If you change your mind, please press star followed by two. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure your device is unmuted locally. Our first question comes from Scott Deuschle from Deutsche Bank.

Scott Deuschle
Scott Deuschle
Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Hey, good morning. Hey, Chris, sorry if I missed this-

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Morning, Scott.

Scott Deuschle
Scott Deuschle
Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Where is CVN-79? Yeah, where is CVN-79 at in terms of percent complete?

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

It's right around 90%. It's progressing well. They're into the test program. We're actually seeing dead loads fired off missiles off the ship, so that's a positive sign. So yeah, they're progressing very well.

Scott Deuschle
Scott Deuschle
Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Okay. Then, Tom, you know, to hit the midpoint of the shipbuilding margin guide, it looks like you'll need to do second half margins about, I guess, 150 basis points above the first half. It sounds like it's driven by better milestones. Maybe you can just walk through in a bit more detail as to where that uplift comes from. Thank you.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Yeah, so we do have. Thanks, Scott. I appreciate, appreciate the question. And we do have a shape of our margin, and it's backloaded in the year because of the milestones, and we got it to 7%. We came in at 6.8 year, just a little light on the margin there. And then on the operating income, with the sales being under $2.2. But timing on that, cost and labor is here, working ourselves through progressing on that front. But on the back half of the year, as we make our milestones, I do anticipate a ramp. We're guiding for Q2 to be a 7% quarter as well in shipbuilding. And then obviously the back half of the year, we'll kind of lift that up.

Scott Deuschle
Scott Deuschle
Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Deutsche Bank

All right. Thank you.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Mm-hmm.

Operator

Our next question comes from Robert Spingarn from Melius Research.

Robert Spingarn
Robert Spingarn
Senior Equity Analyst at Melius Research

Hey, good morning.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Morning, Rob.

Robert Spingarn
Robert Spingarn
Senior Equity Analyst at Melius Research

You know, Chris, maybe this is gonna touch on the labor situation, but the Navy controller was saying recently that the Navy just can't simply buy its way out of programmatic challenges and delays. And I assume that has to do, you know, the delays, of course, we've talked about this a lot, are just driven by labor constraints. And I was wondering if you could expand a little bit on that. And is there any possibility that maybe some subsidies to shipbuilders might relieve the situation?

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Yeah, that, that's interesting. Obviously, subsidies would help. More important than that is a submarine industrial base funding that's been appropriated in 2024, where there's real line of sight on projects that are gonna improve performance within the industrial base, in the supply chain, in the labor force, and in capacity. So I think that targeted effort by the Navy and the shipbuilders to identify spaces where we can make investments to get improvements is appropriate, and the teams are working very hard to do that.

Robert Spingarn
Robert Spingarn
Senior Equity Analyst at Melius Research

So is it—it sounds like it's really then not just labor. There are these other, other things you can do.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Well, there are other things you can do, but labor is the primary issue, is manufacturing labor in the United States and then shipbuilding labor in the United States. Simply, the amount of labor that's necessary to build the ships, the access to labor, and then the labor rates that we need to develop to be able to access more labor. We're working very hard on the apprentice schools in workforce development with the state of Virginia and Mississippi, and the community colleges. And it's really kind of a change in approach relative to ensuring that manufacturing labor is a good job and a good paying job that people wanna do coming out of high school.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

So I don't think it's a one size fits all sort of solution to this, but labor is, I believe, the most contributing factor. When you think about the supply chain, it's labor in the supply chain as well. So manufacturing labor is definitely a priority that needs to be fixed for the nation, I believe.

Robert Spingarn
Robert Spingarn
Senior Equity Analyst at Melius Research

Okay. And then just quickly on Mission Technologies. You know, Andy had real good sales in the first quarter here, ahead of the guidance run rate. So I was just wondering if we could talk about what's expected for the rest of the year there. You know, what drove the quarter, and then do we fade a little bit in the rest of the year, or is that just being conservative?

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

So, Rob, I'll give you some color on that. Yeah, it was a strong quarter again, here. Came in at $750, following Q4 last year at $745. That we are being conservative in the guide, but still holding it at $2.7-$2.75. And if you do the quick math, the run rate for the remaining of the year is $650, and holding to the guide there at the midpoint. There is opportunity, I think, for him to do better than that, but we don't wanna get ahead of ourselves. It's about awards, you know, that he has in the plan this year.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

changing contracts that we have, that we have backlog on those contracts into sales, and then him continuing his team to continue to stay on his labor plan and is hiring that in that. So, I do think there's some potential tailwinds on that front, but we'll just have to let the year-

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Mm-hmm

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

play out right now. I'm really comfortable. We saw, you know, he finished last year at 13% growth from 2023 over 2022, and then he- then you see a quarter here where it's over, over 20%, quarter-over-quarter. So, fantastic start to the year. And he's got his pipeline has grown from $60-$80 billion, so the opportunity set and the scope of what's in play there has grown as well. So I'm looking for a strong back half of the year here from MT, but we'll have to see how it plays out.

Robert Spingarn
Robert Spingarn
Senior Equity Analyst at Melius Research

Okay, thanks so much.

Operator

Our next question comes from David Strauss from Barclays.

David Strauss
David Strauss
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Barclays

Thanks. Good morning, everyone.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Good morning.

David Strauss
David Strauss
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Barclays

Chris, wanted to ask you, you know, you've now, you know, in Q1 and Q2, you're gonna knock off a lot of these milestones that were supposed to happen late last year. But at the same time, we really haven't seen any of that perceived upside come through in terms of the margins based off of what you did in shipbuilding, you know, for shipbuilding Q1 and what you're forecasting for Q2. So if you could just square that, why we're not seeing some of that upside that we would think would be there, not coming through with these milestones being completed?

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Yeah, well, no doubt that when you miss milestones and you extend schedules, there's gonna be additional cost. So unfortunately, as we came through those and missed the end of the year and then got them done, 798, we floated off in the first quarter. We got the two deliveries in, in the second quarter, and there's just less opportunity. So yeah, unfortunately, schedule equals cost. We got to make our milestones. You think of the balance of the milestones in the year, they're, they're all holding. I would say the VCS milestones for the back half, half of the year are gonna be a, are going to be a challenge, but the team is committed to getting those done, and they're holding now.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

But that's why we give you the milestones, so you can get a barometer of how we're executing.

David Strauss
David Strauss
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Barclays

Okay. Thanks. That's helpful. And then, Tom, could you maybe—I mean, you guys for, you know, free cash flow burn in Q2, is it—I mean, it seems like obviously gonna be a very back-end loaded year. How should we think about the pacing of the, you know, CapEx step up? We didn't really see it in Q1. So when do we really start to see a pickup in CapEx, and then what I would assume would be a big, you know, working capital recovery on the other side?

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Yeah. So from a cash perspective, you know, we came in at $274 here. We're guiding another -$100, so we'll work ourselves through that. Not uncommon. We burn cash at the beginning of the year and not unanticipated here, so we wanted to make sure everyone's aligned with us on that front. From a CapEx percent, CapEx perspective, we spent 2.6% of sales in the first quarter here. And as we get into those projects this year, we'll ramp on the back half of the year. So we held the guidance at 5.3% of CapEx of sales for the entire year, and you'll see that ramp as we get into the back half of the year here.

David Strauss
David Strauss
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Barclays

Okay. Thank you.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Mm-hmm.

Operator

Our next question comes from Doug Harned, from Bernstein.

Doug Harned
Doug Harned
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Bernstein

Good morning. Thank you.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Morning, Doug.

Doug Harned
Doug Harned
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Bernstein

You know, there's been, you know, the Navy has commented on the Columbia class's issues with the work on the bow at Newport News. Can you comment on that in terms of what the status is and how that can affect your workflow on Columbia class?

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Sure. So, yeah, widely reported on that issue. The team has come through the first of class issues on the bow that impacted the schedule. Those are essentially behind us now, and then there's just now there's volume work to get the bow complete. We're actually a bit ahead of schedule to the recovery plan. The team's very focused on it. It's really our top priority. It's the top priority of the Navy. So, unfortunate that we encountered those first of class issues, but we think the specific issue that drove the schedule delay is behind us at this point.

Doug Harned
Doug Harned
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Bernstein

Okay. Well, good. And then on Virginia class, you talked about the milestones this year. What I'm trying to understand is kind of where everything is in the flow in terms of eventually getting to that, you know, two deliveries per year level. And you had this letter come out of the House with a lot of members of Congress arguing that, you know, you—there should be two Virginia class in the 2025 budget, the president's budget. But does that matter? In other words, what I'm trying to understand is getting to two looks so difficult right now. Does it matter to have a second one in the 2025 budget? And where do you stand on that pathway to get to two when you look at the milestones ahead here?

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Yes, so I'll tell you, there has been incremental improvement as we've moved through the first part of the year on improving the rate on the VCS program. It's not good enough. There needs to be additional improvement. On regard to the budget, I think the most important thing relative to the discussion on one or two boats procured in 2025 is to signal a sense of the supply chain, 'cause we need to make sure that we buy a full boat of materials, we keep the supply chain healthy, so that we eliminate that risk for them. The last thing we wanna do is create risk within the program. So I think we've communicated that with the customer and the Congress. They understand it.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

And as you know, we're just at the beginning of the budget discussions, so ultimately, we expect it to get resolved, but it's very important that we get the supply chain under order for both of the boats.

Doug Harned
Doug Harned
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Bernstein

Okay, very good. Thank you.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Thanks, Doug.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ronald Epstein from Bank of America.

Mariana Perez Mora
Mariana Perez Mora
Managing Director at Bank of America

Good morning, everyone. This is Mariana Perez Mora for Ron today.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Morning.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Morning.

Mariana Perez Mora
Mariana Perez Mora
Managing Director at Bank of America

The first question is gonna be related to Australia. As you see this first order for a steel delivery from an Australian company, how should we think about, like, in the near term, you benefiting from, like, this early investment to actually make the Australian submarine supply chain stronger?

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Yeah, so it's, that's an excellent question. This is, from an AUKUS standpoint, as I've previously indicated, we view this as opening of two markets for us. So it's, it's a really good opportunity for us, and we think we've taken all the right steps, to prepare for some ultimately, pretty material impact, to the corporation. This is a really critical, first step because we're flexing muscles in our supply chain, to qualify a vendor, in Australia that will ultimately, potentially be part of a supply chain. We're starting small, but it'll ultimately grow from here to make them a sovereign, ready, submarine provider. So this is just the first step.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

I don't believe material revenue will flow from this immediately, but it's an important step to be prepared for us to support Australia.

Mariana Perez Mora
Mariana Perez Mora
Managing Director at Bank of America

Perfect. And also in the line of AUKUS, there has been talks that South Korea would like to join, this trilateral agreement. If that goes through, how do you see this impacting the potential of the program, demand, and even supply chain environment?

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Well, obviously, there'd be further upside related to that. I think there are discussions about that, but I don't wanna get ahead of ourselves. Let's, let's focus on AUKUS at this point, and I'll leave those sort of discussions to, to the Pentagon and the Navy.

Mariana Perez Mora
Mariana Perez Mora
Managing Director at Bank of America

Thank you so much.

Operator

Our next question comes from Gautam Khanna from TD Cowen.

Gautam Khanna
Gautam Khanna
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at TD Cowen

Hey, guys. I was wondering if-

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Hey, Gautam

Gautam Khanna
Gautam Khanna
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at TD Cowen

... you could, a, give us the EACs by segment in the quarter. Then I have a follow-up.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Okay, yeah. So it was 53 up, 51 down for net two, and the makeup of that was, Ingalls was positive 13, Newport News was a negative 12, and MT was 1.

Gautam Khanna
Gautam Khanna
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at TD Cowen

Okay. At NNS, the margins were a little light of our expectations. I'm just curious, any setbacks in productivity or labor to speak of broadly at NNS or elsewhere?

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Yeah, so I'll start then, Tom. Tom can jump in. Yeah, as you, as you know, Gautam, we evaluate our EACs every quarter, and if we have to take step-ups or step-backs, we do that. None were material in nature, but you saw the slip of the milestones which impacted some programs. So there were minor step-ups and step-backs throughout.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

But nothing material on that?

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Yeah, nothing material.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

I'll comment too here. So, yeah, you know, 6 vs. a guide of 6 to 7.0. A year ago, this quarter, it was 6, 6.7 pushed the building, so, so not that far off. You know, from a Newport News perspective, again, at 5.7 for the quarter. A year ago, there were 5.6, and we finished off last year at 6.2, so, you know, slightly off of that. You know, just working through getting that production line working, material and labor on deck plate at the same time, trying to get that rework down and keeping the production line going here. So, we're fighting through it, and, you know, really not that far off the guide, so...

Gautam Khanna
Gautam Khanna
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at TD Cowen

Okay. Yep, and then just lastly, on LPD-29, was that EAC taken in the first quarter, or was the delivery actually in the second quarter, and therefore, it's more of a second quarter event?

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Yeah. So we obviously assessed the EACs in the first quarter, but it's a second quarter event, and it's included in our guide for the second quarter and our expectations for the second quarter.

Gautam Khanna
Gautam Khanna
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at TD Cowen

Perfect. Thanks a lot, guys.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Sure, Gautam.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Sure.

Operator

Our next question comes from Seth Seifman, Seifman from JP Morgan.

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
VP and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan

Hey, thanks very much, and good morning. Tom, just first, a quick clarification. I know you mentioned the CapEx really stepping up in the second half, along with the cash generation. So I assume you're also expecting a step up in the Navy support for that CapEx in the second half as well?

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

It's aligned. It's all baked into the plan we have and the guidance that we give, yes.

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
VP and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan

Right. Okay. Okay. And then just on the, the margin rates in the shipyards, you know, Q1, you know, similar to, to last year, you know, slightly higher. Q2, though, around 7%, like if, if we look at the Q1 margin rate-

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
VP and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan

... kind of seems but probably at the lower end of what you might expect for each of the yards. And so, you know, we'd normally expect some sequential improvement in each of the yards, you know, maybe to something like above six at Newport. And, you know, I mean, Ingalls is often in the double digits. Is there something to be aware of that weighing on margins in the second quarter, or is it—I know you mentioned one milestone, but maybe a lack of overall milestones that that's driving the 7% for the second quarter?

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

So, you know, it's hard, it's tough to look at the margin rates from quarter to quarter, but we do try and forecast you so that you can land about where we think that we will be. Behind the scenes is the maturation of where we are on EACs, where the milestones are gonna fall, where we see the potential risk burn down, so we can take the step-ups in the booking rates. And, you know, it's just the first half of the year. We've had this for a couple of years now. The first half of the year is lighter than the back half. Obviously, the major milestones, the deliveries, and the launches are back half, half loaded, so we expect to see that there. I'm not surprised on where we are.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

You know, a couple of tenths here or there is not a huge deal overall. You know, we're working through our risks and opportunities going forward here.

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
VP and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question comes from George Shapiro from Shapiro Research.

George Shapiro
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Shapiro Research

Yes, good morning. Just following up a little bit on-

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Good morning, George.

George Shapiro
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Shapiro Research

On Seth's comment, but trying to get into some more detail. To get to the low end of your 7.6% margin guide for shipbuilding for the year would imply something like 8.3% or 8.4% in second-half margins, which would imply an incremental $70-$75 million in profit. Are the milestones that you're projecting for the second half gonna give us all that $70-$75 million, or is there something else?

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

It's a mixture. It's a mix of the milestones that we have, incentives, all the aspects that we have in our burning down risk. So all that plays out. You know, I will tell you from a margin perspective, if you look over the last three years, right? Whether it's shipbuilding at 7.7%, 7.7%. Last year was 8.3%. Even when you take the claim out that we had of that recovery, it was 7.5%. From a Newport News perspective, which is the preponderance of where the risk is right now, we were 6.2%, 6.1%, 6.2%. So that margin rate has been stable. What we're talking about is a lift here kind of going forward.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

As long as we stay on pace, the tempo of hiring, material, and the cost efficiency, as we've said in the past, we expect that incrementally to improve annually here. So, we'll keep you informed right now. We, 6.8 versus a 7.0 was pretty much on top of what we thought we'd expect and we're guiding to 7% right now. Yes. So the back half of the year, George, will be a lift.

George Shapiro
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Shapiro Research

Okay, and a follow-up with different question on the working capital. I mean, receivables were up, like, $253 million contract assets up $124 million in a quarter. That was well above last year's first quarter. So can you just kind of talk as to what caused it?

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Yeah. So it's the working capital, it's timing, it's trade working capital between the billings and the receipts, the AR and the AP that we have right now. We have the cost in hand. At times, it's either making the progress or being able to bill, working ourselves through incentives for collections, as well as progress restrictions that we have. So, it's a little bit higher than we guided to at -$200 here, and -$100 for Q2. Not uncommon, like in 2022, where we ran the first three quarters in a deficit in cash, and then we came back strong in Q4. So, we're watching that closely, and I think we're on plan right now, kind of going forward.

George Shapiro
Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Shapiro Research

Okay. Thanks very much, Tom.

Operator

Mm-hmm. Our next question comes from Myles Walton from Wolfe Research.

Myles Walton
Myles Walton
Managing Director at Wolfe Research

Thanks. Good morning. I was wondering-

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Hi, Miles

Myles Walton
Myles Walton
Managing Director at Wolfe Research

... if I could ask a question first on the milestones as it relates to... I know you don't size them individually, but, there's not a milestone chart in this slide deck, so just was gonna refresh. The Massachusetts, is that the most important milestone for this year for Newport News? And also any of the 25 milestones you had in the deck last time, have those shifted at all?

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

No, 25's not shifted, and all the milestones are important. It is critical on the VCS program that they meet their commitments, because it is an assembly line, and you need to roll crews to the next boat. So yeah, those VCS milestones are important.

Myles Walton
Myles Walton
Managing Director at Wolfe Research

Okay. And then on the supply chain, I guess some of the testimony emerging is talking about merchant suppliers of propulsion systems for ships. And I'm curious, Chris, if you just give us a little baseline of where you are in terms of the whack-a-mole game here of containing issues, and is it supplier components? Is it workforce? And I know you're gonna say all of them, but maybe you can just give a little bit more color, as the Navy, you know, secretary was willing to offer up Northrop as a, you know, a source of issues, as a little bit of an incremental step in the direction of emerging of where the supply chain constraints might be.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Yeah. So thanks, Myles. Workforce is a significant issue. We think we've hiring part of that issue. We're, we're hired over 1,700 in the quarter to our commitment of, or to our goal of 6,000, and we're working very hard on attrition. There are some pilot projects that we have within each of the organizations, each of the shipyards, relative to attrition, surrounding pay, where you recruit from, and flexibility. Those are starting to yield some fruit, but not enough where I can really take it to the bank. So some, some positive indicators, but not good enough yet. And we're gonna continue to work on it. From a supply chain standpoint, we are being impacted by some major equipment within a number of our programs.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

The overall supply chain is definitely more stable than it was a couple of years ago and even 12 months ago, but some of our major suppliers are impacting the erection of our ships, and we're working hard to resolve that with those subcontractors.

Myles Walton
Myles Walton
Managing Director at Wolfe Research

Okay. Is it concentrated to just a couple, or is this really widespread?

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

You know, let's say 2-5.

Myles Walton
Myles Walton
Managing Director at Wolfe Research

Okay. All right. Thanks so much.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Sure, Myles.

Operator

Our last question comes from Noah Poponak from Goldman Sachs.

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Hey, Noah.

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Tom, you've referenced with the shipbuilding margin, it, you know, kind of being essentially flat year-over-year and close to the guide in the quarter. But, and I understand and appreciate all of that, and the, you know, how it can move around quarter-to-quarter. But, you know, I guess last year, the full year did come in below the original full year outlook, and you've cited the movement of milestones out of the end of the year into the beginning of this year. I guess, maybe could you frame it as your level of visibility into the back half milestones this year compared to what you saw when you sat there at this time last year?

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

I think both years kind of mirror pretty closely expectations, both, from where we were, on the margin side and the cash that's gonna follow that. So it is a year where there's more milestones in the back half. It will be highly dependent that we get those done. You know, last year, the 3 events kind of slipped right from Q4 into Q1 and essentially the very beginning of Q2. So we had talked about staying attentive to us making our schedules. You know, 2, 3, 4 months slip, although we don't like that, is not huge. And I think the milestones we have right now, we have plans in place to make it by the end of the year, but there's risk on a couple of them, so we'll just have to see how that plays out here.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

I think it's gonna mirror a very similar profile year as 2023. As far as your comments about-

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Okay

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

... kind of missing, last year, we guided, you know, in the upper 70s. We finished 83, 75. I tell you, the year before that, it was a couple of ticks off, too, a couple of 10s. So, I think the guide is realistic. We have a plan in place to hit it, and it's just about execution here now with, you know, 8 months to go in this year.

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Okay. Makes sense. And how should we think about the pacing of the buyback through the year? And I guess also, what's the minimum cash balance, just given the shape of the free cash flow through the year?

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

Yeah, so we did buy back $62 million in the first quarter. We've talked about a target of $300 million by the end of the year. So you can do the math on that. That will... That should ramp up as we go through the back half of the year. We follow a very disciplined buying grid. We have algorithms against that where we see value, so we'll continue to employ that process. It has served us well. We reiterate our targets, so I don't see a change in that going forward right now. And then from a minimum on the cash balance, there's not per se a minimum. From time to time, we will dig into our revolver or our commercial paper, so that's not uncommon. We've seen that in the past year.

Tom Stiehle
EVP and CFO at HII

As we're into the seasonality of Q1, the first half of the year, being cash users, that's not a concern or problem right now. So, there isn't like a threshold or minimum balance of cash that I have that we tie to being opportunistic and seeing value in the repo. So, they're kind of independent.

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Okay. Got it. And Chris, you've touched on labor and attrition here. I think at the investor day, you quantified that attrition improved around 20% last year. It sounds like that's continues to get better. I don't know if there are any numbers you can put around, you know, how much better that needs to get to be kind of fully normal or stable or what you've seen year to date.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Yeah, we don't, you know, publish our target there. It's, it's definitely not back at pre-COVID levels, so we still need to improve our, our performance from a, a retention standpoint.

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Okay. All right. Thanks very much. Appreciate it.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Thanks.

Operator

I am not showing any further questions at this time. I will now like to hand over to Mr. Kastner for any closing remarks.

Chris Kastner
President and CEO at HII

Okay, thank you everyone for your interest in HII, and we will continue to focus on the fundamentals of our business in support of our customers. Have a good afternoon.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect your lines.

Analysts
    • Chris Kastner
      President and CEO at HII
    • Christie Thomas
      VP of Investor Relations at HII
    • David Strauss
      Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Barclays
    • Doug Harned
      Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Bernstein
    • Gautam Khanna
      Managing Director and Senior Analyst at TD Cowen
    • George Shapiro
      Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Shapiro Research
    • Mariana Perez Mora
      Managing Director at Bank of America
    • Myles Walton
      Managing Director at Wolfe Research
    • Noah Poponak
      Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs
    • Robert Spingarn
      Senior Equity Analyst at Melius Research
    • Scott Deuschle
      Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Deutsche Bank
    • Seth Seifman
      VP and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan
    • Tom Stiehle
      EVP and CFO at HII
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