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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Mid-America Apartment Communities EPS ResultsActual EPS$2.16Consensus EPS $2.17Beat/MissMissed by -$0.01One Year Ago EPS$2.21Mid-America Apartment Communities Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$554.37 millionExpected Revenue$557.22 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$2.85 millionYoY Revenue Growth+0.60%Mid-America Apartment Communities Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2025Date10/29/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, October 30, 2025Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsMid-America Apartment Communities' Q3 2026 earnings is estimated for Wednesday, October 28, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, October 29, 2026 at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Mid-America Apartment Communities Q3 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrOctober 30, 2025ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Strong operating results with 95.6% physical occupancy, renewals up +4.5%, blended lease pricing positive +0.3%, and net delinquency at just 0.3%, indicating resilient demand and collections. Positive Sentiment: Improved liquidity and balance sheet flexibility after amending the revolver to $1.5B, with $850M of combined cash and borrowing capacity, ~91% fixed-rate debt and a 6.3-year average maturity to support development and selective acquisitions. Positive Sentiment: Active development and selective acquisition pipeline — the company controls 15 sites (~4,200 units) and expects to start 6–8 projects over the next six quarters (examples: Scottsdale development at ~6.1% NOI yield; Kansas City acquisition at ~5.8–6.5% yield including Phase II). Negative Sentiment: Management trimmed operating guidance reflecting softer new-lease recovery — lowering effective rent growth midpoint to -0.4%, same-store NOI to -1.35% and adjusting full-year core FFO midpoint to $8.74 per share. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallMid-America Apartment Communities Q3 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the MAA third quarter 2025 earn-ins conference call. During the presentation, all participants will be in listen only mode. Afterward, the company will conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, October 30, 2025, and in consideration of time we have a two question limit. I will now turn the call over to Andrew Schaeffer, Senior Vice President, Treasurer and Director of Capital Markets of MAA, for opening comments. Andrew SchaefferSVP, Treasurer and Director of Capital Markets at MAA00:00:31Thank you, Regina, and good morning, everyone. This is Andrew Schaeffer, Treasurer and Director of Capital Markets for MAA. Members of the management team participating on the call this morning are Brad Hill, Tim Argo, Clay Holder, and Rob DelPriore. Before I begin with prepared comments this morning, I want to point out that as part of this discussion, company management will be making forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from our projections. We encourage you to refer to the Forward-Looking Statements section in yesterday's earn-ins release and our 34 Act filings with the SEC, which describe risk factors that may impact future results. Andrew SchaefferSVP, Treasurer and Director of Capital Markets at MAA00:01:05During this call, we will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. A presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, as well as reconciliations of the differences between non-GAAP and comparable GAAP measures, can be found in our earn-ins release and Supplemental Financial Data. Our earn-ins release and supplement are currently available on the For Investors page of our website at www.maac.com. A copy of our prepared comments and an audio recording of this call will also be available on our website later today. After some brief prepared comments, the management team will be available to answer questions. I will now turn the call over to Brad. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:01:44Thank you, Andrew, and good morning, everyone. As highlighted in our earn-ins release, our third quarter Core FFO results met our expectations, reinforcing the resilience of our platform and strategy. While the broader economic environment has introduced some challenges, including slower job growth and tempered pricing power in new leases, we are still seeing recovery. Strong occupancy, solid collections, and year-over-year improvements in new, renewal, and blended lease rates in the third quarter demonstrate our momentum. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:02:23Demand across our markets remains healthy, and we are encouraged that the record level of lease-ups in our region are being absorbed, with occupancy levels increasing 450 basis points over the past five quarters and now approaching pre-COVID levels. Supply levels in our markets, though elevated historically, are trending down at a faster pace than many other regions. As new deliveries continue to decline each quarter, we anticipate a strengthening recovery in pricing power and operating performance. Importantly, new starts remain below long-term averages and have for the past 10 quarters, and we see no indication of an acceleration in starts. In fact, per our third-party data provider, our market saw just 0.2% of inventory in new starts in the third quarter, and starts over the trailing four quarters were just 1.8% of inventory, roughly half the historical norm, positioning us for sustained improvement. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:03:28Our diversified presence across high-growth markets and more affordable price point provides access to a broader segment of the rental market that is financially strong, supporting continued strong collections. Additionally, our region continues to capture one of the highest levels of annual wage growth, as evidenced by the increased incomes of our new residents, driving favorable rent-to-income ratios which remain at a healthy low of 20%. Improving leasing conditions also bolster our redevelopment pipeline, offering residents a newly renovated unit at a more affordable price as compared to the higher-priced new multifamily supply. Due to persistent single-family affordability challenges, our strong customer service, and demographic trends that support renting, residents are choosing to stay longer, with only 10.8% of our move-outs occurring due to home purchases. Our balance sheet remains a key strength with our recent credit facility expansion, which Clay will discuss in a moment. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:04:32Providing exceptional flexibility, while the transaction market has been active at sub-5% cap rates, we continue to identify select accretive opportunities such as our recent Kansas City acquisition, a stabilized suburban 318-unit property that we purchased for approximately $96 million and is expected to deliver a year one NOI yield of 5.8%. Subsequent to quarter end, we purchased an adjacent land parcel for an ADA unit Phase Two that will expand the stabilized NOI yield on our total investment to nearly 6.5%. After capturing additional scale and efficiencies from the Phase Two development, we are also advancing our development pipeline and securing additional attractive long-term investment opportunities. In today's equity-constrained environment, our access to capital and development expertise remain competitive advantages. Following quarter end, we acquired land, plans, and permits for a shovel-ready project in Scottsdale, Arizona, scheduled to begin construction in the fourth quarter. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:05:43This project, like others we've recently launched, reflects our ability to capitalize on situations where developers faced equity challenges, allowing us to secure projects at a compelling basis. The Scottsdale development is expected to deliver a stabilized NOI yield of 6.1%. In total, we now own or control 15 development sites with approvals for over 4,200 units, and if market conditions remain supportive, we anticipate starting construction on six to eight projects over the next six quarters, driving meaningful earn-ins contribution in the years ahead. With a 30-year track record of delivering through economic cycles, we remain confident in our ability to execute during this transition. Our focus on high-demand, high-growth markets, significant redevelopment opportunities, efficiency gains from technology initiatives rolling out in 2026 and beyond, and a growing external growth strategy position us for stronger earn-ins growth. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:06:42Our portfolio will continue to benefit from job growth, wage growth, household formation and migration, and population trends that outpace other regions. We are encouraged by the building blocks that are in place and what we expect will be an acceleration of the recovery cycle in 2026, leading to sustained revenue and earn-ins growth as new deliveries continue to decline and the recovery advances. To all our associates across our properties and corporate offices, thank you for your unwavering dedication and commitment during this busy leasing season. Your efforts continue to drive our success. With that, I'll turn the call over to Tim. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:07:21Thank you, Brad, and good morning, everyone. For the third quarter, we saw increasing occupancy and strong retention and renewal lease rates, but experienced continued lack of traction in the ability to push on new lease rates. We believe broad economic uncertainty and slower job growth, as evidenced by a downward revision to the job growth numbers, contributed to prospects being more cautious about making decisions to move and to operators prioritizing occupancy over new lease rents. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:07:53Despite the challenging environment for new leases, we continue to see new lease-over-lease pricing improve over the prior year at -5.2%, about 20 basis points as compared to the third quarter of 2024. Combined with the strong renewal lease over lease performance of +4.5%, which was up 40 basis points over the prior year, blended pricing for the quarter was positive 0.3%, improving 50 basis points from the third quarter of last year. As mentioned, average physical occupancy sequentially improved to 95.6% in the third quarter, representing a 20 basis point increase from the second quarter. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:08:32Additionally, we had another quarter of strong collections with net delinquency representing just 0.3% of billed rents. A number of our mid-tier markets, particularly in the Mid Atlantic region, continue to be outperformers relative to the portfolio. Richmond and the Washington D.C. area markets remain strong, and other markets such as Savannah, Charleston, and Greenville all demonstrated strong pricing power in the quarter. Of our larger markets, Houston continued to be steady, and we're seeing encouraging progress in Atlanta and the Dallas-Fort Worth area properties, where blended pricing in both of these markets improved sequentially from the second quarter and outperformed the same store portfolio. The lagging markets we have noted for the past few quarters remain consistent, with Austin continuing to work through its record supply pressure resulting in weak new lease pricing, and Nashville facing significant pricing pressure. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:09:24As well as in our lease-up portfolio, we had three properties, West Midtown, Daybreak, and Milepost 35, reach stabilization in the third quarter. We continue to make progress with our other four lease-up properties, which have a combined occupancy of 66.1% as of the end of the third quarter, and the two development properties that are currently leasing units. We have seen the uncertainty and higher leasing pressure impact a portion of our lease-up portfolio and push the stabilization date by one quarter for Val Vista in Phoenix, while Liberty Road just started leasing. The other five properties with units delivered are well into the lease-up process, and rents are in line with the original performance. This helps preserve the long-term value creation opportunity. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:10:09Despite the overall leasing velocity being a little bit behind original expectations, our various targeted redevelopment and repositioning initiatives continued in the third quarter, and we still expect to accelerate these programs into 2026. During the third quarter of 2025 we completed 2,090 interior unit upgrades, achieving rent increases of $99 above non-upgraded units and a cash on cash return in excess of 20%. This was an acceleration of both volume of completed units and rent growth achieved from the second quarter. Despite this more competitive supply environment, these units lease on average 10 days faster than non-renovated units when adjusted for the additional turn time. We still expect to renovate approximately 6,000 units in 2025 and for our common area and amenity repositioning program we continue the repricing phase at six recent projects with five of the six past the halfway point in repricing. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:11:07The results are encouraging with double-digit NOI yields and rent growth far exceeding peer MAA properties. Five additional projects are now underway with anticipated repricing to coincide with the prime 2026 leasing season. We are live on five 2025 retrofit projects for community-wide Wi-Fi with go-live dates planned through the remainder of 2025 at an additional 15 communities as we approach the end of October. Our current occupancy is 95.6% and 60-day exposure is 6.1%, 20 basis points and 30 basis points respectively better than this, which keeps us in a position for stable occupancy heading into the slower traffic season. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:11:49As Brad referenced, new supply pressure continues to moderate and absorption remains strong with market level occupancies including lease-ups at the highest level since mid-2019. Our theme of strong renewal performance continues in the fourth quarter with high retention rates and lease over lease growth rates on renewals accepted for October, November, and December ranging between +4.5% and +4.9%. Moderating construction starts, Sunbelt market demand dynamics, and high retention rates underlie our optimism for an improving leasing environment, particularly as we get into the spring and summer leasing season of 2026. That's all I have in the way of prepared comments. Now I'll turn the call over to Clay. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:12:30Thank you Tim and good morning everyone. We reported Core FFO for the quarter of $2.16 per diluted share, which was in line with the midpoint of our third quarter guidance. Favorable overhead expenses of $0.01 and same store expenses of $0.005 were offset by unfavorable same store revenues of $0.005 and non same store expenses of $0.01. As Tim alluded to in his comments, our occupancy and renewal lease performance remained strong and were in line with our projections for the quarter, while new lease rates performed below our expectations. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:13:06During the quarter, we funded approximately $78 million in development cost for our current $797 million pipeline, leaving an expected $254 million to be funded on the current pipeline over the next three years. Our balance sheet remains well positioned to support these and other future growth opportunities. At the end of the quarter, we had $850 million in combined cash and borrowing capacity under our revolving credit facility, and our net debt to EBITDA ratio was 4.2 times. At quarter end, our outstanding debt was approximately 91% fixed with an average maturity of 6.3 years at an effective rate of 3.8%. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:13:49Subsequent to quarter end, we amended our revolving credit facility, increasing the capacity of the facility from $1.25 billion to $1.5 billion and extending the maturity of the facility to January 2030. In addition, we amended our commercial paper program to increase the maximum amount of outstanding commercial paper borrowings to $750 million. We have an upcoming $400 million bond maturity in November that we expect to refinance in the fourth quarter. Finally, we have adjusted our Core FFO and same store guidance for the year as well as revised other areas of our detailed guidance previously provided, primarily due to the lower recovery trajectory on new lease rents. As the broader economy and employment markets moderated over the summer months, we are making slight adjustments to our guidance associated with same store rent growth. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:14:39We are lowering the midpoint of effective rent growth guidance to negative 0.4% while maintaining average fiscal occupancy guidance at 95.6% for the year. Total same store revenue guidance for the year is revised to negative 0.05%. We are also lowering our same store property operating expense growth projections for the year to 2.2%. The midpoint of the lower guidance is primarily due to favorable third quarter property tax valuations as compared to our original expectations. The changes to our same store revenue and property operating expense projections result in us adjusting our same store NOI expectation to negative 1.35%. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:15:22In addition to updating our same store operating projections, we are revising our 2025 guidance to reflect favorable trends in overhead expenses along with adjusting our acquisition and disposition volume for the year given the current transactions market. The impact of these adjustments, combined with the updated expectations for our non same store portfolio, resulted in us adjusting the midpoint of our full year Core FFO guidance to $8.74 per share and narrowing the range to $8.68 to $8.80 per share. That is all that we have in the way of prepared comments. Regina, we will now turn the call back to you for questions. Operator00:16:02We will now open the call up for questions. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you'd like to withdraw your question, press star one a second time. In the interest of time, the company has requested a two question limit. Our first question will come from the line of Eric Wolfe with Citi. Please go ahead. Eric WolfeManaging Partner at Citi Reearch00:16:22Hey, thanks. Good morning. A number of your peers have talked about worsening trends in late September and into October, specifically on new lease beyond just the sort of normal seasonal curve. Can you maybe talk about recent pricing trends that you're seeing on new leases? Is there any markets that are moving abnormally at this time of year and just sort of any thoughts on how that could trend through the rest of the quarter? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:16:49Yeah, Eric, this is Tim. I would say broadly we've seen generally pretty typical seasonality. We actually on the new lease side saw our new lease decline a little bit less than normal from Q2 to Q3. Normally in the 60 to 70 basis point moderation, we moderated 40 basis points and then even did better on the renewal side. I think broadly we're seeing normal seasonality. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:17:16We typically see pricing kind of peak in July and then slowly moderate from there for the rest of the year as the traffic starts to die down. That's pretty much what we've seen. The trend was a little bit less seasonal as I mentioned, but broadly happening as we would typically expect. In terms of markets, the D.C. market we talked about still on a relative basis doing well, but certainly moderated a little on the new lease side. The other, some of the laggards as I talked about, have been similar. The encouraging ones have been Dallas and Atlanta both. We saw actually new lease acceleration from Q2 to Q3, and those are combined our two largest markets. Seeing some encouraging trends there, broadly normal seasonality. Eric WolfeManaging Partner at Citi Reearch00:18:06That's helpful. Could you maybe talk about any early thoughts on 2026 in terms of earn-in and contribution from other income, essentially the more predictable items for next year? Obviously, if you want to give your view of market rent growth, we'll take it, but realize it's a dynamic. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:18:24Hey, Eric, this is Brad. I'll start and Tim can certainly jump in here. As we look at and start thinking about what 2026 is likely to look like, just big picture, I think really for us, to start with, we talk about the demand fundamentals and for us, everything ultimately boils down to what the demand side of the equation ultimately looks like long term. As we look at 2026 today, we really think that the demand fundamentals look pretty similar in 2026 to the way they've looked this year. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:19:02Whether you're looking at migration trends, population growth, household formation, or just single family affordability headwinds, we really think all of those look very, very similar next year. Clearly, the unknown for us is the job market and really what that looks like next year. Early projections that we see for next year show the job market looking a little bit softer than it does this year. I think one thing to keep in mind is next year is an election year. I do think the administration is going to be very focused on getting the tariffs kind of behind them and then really focused on job growth, the balance of the year, which we think could certainly help on the job growth side. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:19:45I think certainly from a supply perspective, we know the supply pipeline next year is set to decline considerably from where it is this year, where next year's deliveries will be about a close to a 50% drop from the peak that we had in 2024. Certainly, the picture looks a lot better on that front. Despite our recovery certainly not being quite as robust as what we had hoped for this year, we are making progress. I think that progress will continue to manifest itself as we get into 2026. Tim, what would you add? On the earn-in piece? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:20:23Yeah, on the earn-in piece. I mean, I think we're based on where we see rents at the end of this year. You're probably somewhere around flat to slightly negative, which is a little bit of improvement on where we were heading into 2025. Last point I'll make on the yes, about the other income. It'll be the Wi-Fi retrofit program projects that'll drive that. They've been slow to materialize this year as we wait on circuit deliveries and other things, but we've got 20 or so that we think by end of this year and that group as a whole, once fully rolled out, is about a $5 million NOI piece. We'll get a piece of that. That'll be the biggest thing sort of above and beyond our normal run rate on fee and other income. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:21:07Just to follow up on the point on the earn-in, as Tim mentioned for next year, flattish going into 2026 and just as a reminder, coming into 2025, it was a negative 40 basis points headwind improvement going into 2026 as we sit here today. Operator00:21:29Our next question will come from the line of Jamie Feldman with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Jamie FeldmanHead of REIT Research at Wells Fargo00:21:35Great, thanks for taking the question. I guess following up on the guidance line of questioning on the expense side, anything, you know, as we think about year-over-year comparisons, anything in 2026 that we should be aware of. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:21:48Jamie, this is Clay. The one thing, a couple things that I would call out, I think starting with real estate taxes. We saw some very good favorability in our original projections for real estate taxes at this point in the year. A lot of that is due to some prior year adjustments, some one-time prior year adjustments that we realized this year. We'll have to anniversary that. Also thinking about the fact that we are projecting negative NOI growth for the year, so would expect property valuations to significantly increase going into next year. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:22:27All said, we would expect real estate taxes to grow at a relatively normal rate of somewhere between 2.5% and 3.5%. I'm not giving guidance at this point, but just kind of where we think that that's where we're probably headed at this point. Other than that, I think insurance will continue to get some tailwind from that given our recent renewal. That'll benefit us in the front half of the year and then we'll have to go through that process again next year. Wouldn't expect at this point any significant increases in that line, just probably normal typical run rates. Then personnel, R&M costs, things of that nature. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:23:08Brad mentioned the tariffs and expectation that that gets settled here over the course of the next several months. We would think that those would typically grow in line with just typical deflationary trends. Nothing really outside of the norm for those. Should get a little bit of a benefit in marketing expenses next year as we get past the levels of supply that we're facing this past year. That should tail off a bit as well. All in all, I don't want to speak to overall guidance, but that's kind of how we're thinking about those items. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:23:41I might add one point real quick. Just on the utility side, we talked about the Wi-Fi retrofit program a minute ago. There is an expense component that hits in that utilities line. There's obviously a much larger revenue component, but that'll impact utilities a little bit as well. Jamie FeldmanHead of REIT Research at Wells Fargo00:23:57Okay, great. Super helpful color. Just thinking about concessions and some of your bigger development markets or heavier supply markets, how would you, you know, what's the scorecard on the pace of concessions today? Is it getting better, is it getting worse? Anything you'd call out there? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:24:16I would say broadly, concessions in Q3 were a little bit higher than what we were in Q2. When we look at our comps, there was probably 55% to 60% or so of our comps that have some sort of specials, and that's up a little bit from what it was in Q2, but not significantly. I think the level of concessions at a given property is pretty similar. You're seeing anywhere from half a month to a month free is pretty typical, with a little bit higher in some of the highest supplied submarkets. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:24:49We've seen a couple submarkets where they came down. I mentioned Atlanta earlier. We're seeing a little bit lower concessions. Buckhead, Uptown, Dallas, we're seeing a little bit lower concessions. It's actually some of the more urban submarkets. We've seen concessions come down a little bit, and then we've seen it up a little bit in Phoenix, a little bit in suburban Orlando, a little bit in downtown Nashville, but broadly ticked up a little bit, but not hugely different than what we've been seeing. Operator00:25:19Our next question will come from the line of Adam Kramer with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Adam KramerVP and Equity Research at Morgan Stanley00:25:25Hey, thanks for the time, guys. Maybe just wanted to ask about sort of lease up for your development properties and maybe just how the cadence of that today compares to lease up cadence maybe six months ago or the same time a year ago. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:25:42Yeah, this is Tim. I mean the leasing velocity broadly has been a little bit slower. I don't think it's necessarily gotten slower than what it has been over the last couple quarters. We've seen obviously with the supply over the last couple years that that velocity has been a little bit slower to occur than what we originally underwrote. Broadly rents are in line. When you think about the overall lease up portfolio we're holding, holding tight there and keeping as I mentioned in the call comments, just keeping our value proposition in line. Broadly leasing velocity a little bit slower than what we expected and we pushed back one of the stabilization dates on one of our lease up properties but broadly the rents are intact and feeling good. Particularly as we move into the spring and summer. We expect those to really start to increase on that velocity. Adam KramerVP and Equity Research at Morgan Stanley00:26:40Great. Maybe I know you touched on it a little bit earlier but maybe just the specific new renewal and blended lease growth for October if you're able to provide. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:26:51We're not going to get into the details of the monthly, but I would say generally what we're expecting for Q4. I mentioned this earlier is pretty normal seasonality, perhaps a little bit less than what we typically see as supply continues to moderate. I mentioned in the comments that renewals are holding up really well. I think on a blended basis could be a little bit better than last year and new lease is probably trending somewhere maybe slightly better than where we were last year, but typically normal seasonality with a little bit better performance on the renewal side. Operator00:27:31Our next question will come from the line of Steve Sakwa with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Steve SakwaSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:27:37Yeah, thanks. Good morning. I guess I wanted to circle up on the Scottsdale project. I think you mentioned that the initial yield on that was 6.1 and maybe with the new piece of land it would go to 6.5, but you know your stock's kind of trading sort of in that mid-sixes right now. Just how are you thinking about capital allocation, development yields, and what kind of hurdles do you need on projects going forward given the changing cost of capital. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:28:03Yeah. Hey Steve, this is Brad. A couple of things that I'll mention. One, just a clarification. What I mentioned in my comments was the Kansas City deal was about a, that was an acquisition, was a 5.8. We went under contract in that back when our stock price was in the $150s. Certainly, cost of capital was a little bit different at that point for that project. When we add the phase two component to it, that'll bring the total investment yield on that one to about a 6.5. You're correct. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:28:43The Scottsdale development is about a 6.1 NOI yield. That part's correct. In terms of capital allocation, when we're looking to make really any decision, a couple things that we're considering. One is where's our capital coming from? What's the cost of that capital really? What's the potential long-term impact of that investment on our business? Our primary focus in all of our decisions that we make is on generating compounded earn-ins growth to support a steady and growing dividend over the long term. I mean that's really what we are at our heart really focused on. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:29:24If you look at the performance that we've put up in terms of dividend performance over the last 10 years, I think we've been very successful in hitting those goals. We have probably one of the highest, if not the highest, 10-year CAGRs on dividend growth performance in the space where it's at 7%. earn-ins and dividends are really the best ways for us to deliver TSR on a REIT platform. When we're looking to invest capital, we can deploy it through external growth as we were just talking about, via development or acquisitions. We can invest in various internal opportunities that include technology investment, really geared towards strengthening our platform and driving efficiencies, improving margins of our existing portfolio, or we can reinvest in our existing shares. Those are really the options that we have. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:30:21Certainly at the moment, scaling our platform from acquisitions has really gotten materially more difficult given the dislocation that we see right now between private and public markets. We have, again as I mentioned with the Kansas City, been able to find select acquisition opportunities, but that's probably going to be even more difficult. As I mentioned in my opening comments, we do continue to find what we believe are compelling development opportunities where we're able to achieve yields in the 6% to 6.5% range, which if you look at that compared to our current cost of capital, it's still accretive. If you look at it on an after CapEx basis, it produces similar returns to what we would get if we were investing in our existing portfolio right now. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:31:13Importantly, I think you have to remember that by selectively determining where we're putting some of this capital in developments, we think we're able to drive better long-term growth prospects through that capital. With six to eight projects that we think we can start over the next six quarters at a cost of $850 million, we have a pretty good runway for continued growth. We'll continue to lean into some of these numerous internal investment opportunities in 2026. As Tim talked about, we're looking to expand our renovation and repositioning platforms, and we'll continue to see us do that. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:31:55Having said all that, our focus is on driving long-term earn-ins growth and higher share value. If we find that our best investment opportunity to do that is to invest in our existing portfolio via share repurchases, we have an authorization in place. We've done it before and we wouldn't hesitate to do that again if conditions warranted it. It's something that we continue to monitor at every one of our investment opportunities and we'll continue to do so. Steve SakwaSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:32:25Okay, thanks. Maybe just as a second and maybe a follow-up, just I guess taking that and maybe stretching it out a bit, just with dispositions, could accelerating dispositions kind of be part of the philosophy, maybe to fund both the development and potential share buybacks? It seems like pricing is pretty good in the apartment market, despite some of the slowdowns we all talked about here on the leasing side. Could you lean into dispositions at this point? Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:32:54Yeah, I mean, we definitely could. I mean, frankly, our disposition strategy is really based on trying to improve the overall quality of the portfolio while not introducing earn-ins volatility. We wouldn't want to significantly scale up dispositions to take advantage of some market level arbitrage and introduce earn-ins volatility. As part of our annual strategy, we're generally looking to dispose of around $300 million worth of assets. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:33:30If we find that we can continue to do that, and when we dispose of those assets, the best use of that capital is to go into share repurchases, then I think we would continue to look to do that. From my perspective, the share buyback is really an alternative based on current cost of capital. Current returns is an alternative to what we would do with that disposition capital where normally we would roll it back into the acquisition market. That's just not a broad opportunity for us at the moment. Operator00:34:04Our next question will come from the line of Jana Galan with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Jana GalanDirector at Bank of America00:34:08Thank you. Good morning. Following up on your comments on the transaction market and seeing its assets trading at sub-5% cap rates. Can you help us understand how investors are underwriting the rent growth at this point in the Sunbelt recovery and maybe the types of financing they have available to them to get them there? Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:34:28Sure. I think the number one driver right now from the deals that we're looking at of those cap rates is the cost of capital. I think if you look today where folks are generally able to get five-year money today from the agencies, it's probably in the maybe 5.25% range, maybe just under that. Most folks are able to buy down the rate by 25 or 30 basis points. By the time they do that, they're at a sub-5% interest rate, and at that point, they're generally underwriting a couple of years of a little bit more aggressive rent growth to get their returns to make sense. I would say the number one driver is just given where the cost of capital is today, it's really supporting cap rates to be sub-5%, especially when you layer onto that the buy down of the rates. Jana GalanDirector at Bank of America00:35:30Thank you. Kind of different topic, but you know, you guys have always been very strong in your Google scores and reviews. I'm curious kind of how you're implementing AI and looking at different ways as search moves more over to those types of platforms to kind of continue this reputation that you have out there. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:35:55Hey, this is Tim. I'm glad you brought up builder reviews where we continue to do really well there. We're number one in the sector. Four point seven or so is our average with a lot of volume. We put a lot of emphasis on that. In terms of our use of AI, we're using it obviously in multiple areas of the company and something that we're expanding more now as we think about leasing and some of the communication. We'll have some more pilots and tests on that as we get into next year. Obviously, a key part of our go forward platform is continuing to look at all the various uses of that. Operator00:36:41Our next question will come from the line of Austin Wurschmidt with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Austin WurschmidtSenior Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.00:36:47Thanks. Good morning everybody. You talked about how 2026 could look a lot like 2025 from a demand perspective and supply obviously coming down pretty meaningfully, I guess. Should we just continue to see lease rate growth improve versus the prior year, or I guess asked a little bit differently, should schedule rent continue to accelerate from here into 2026. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:37:09Hey, Austin, this is Tim. Yeah, I mean, I think we're back in terms of the normal seasonality of things. This year has been the most seasonal that we've seen in the last few years. I think generally that seasonality will hold as you strengthen through the spring and summer and then moderate a little bit into the fall and winter. I think we're obviously not giving guidance right now, but when you think about how much supply is moderating and look at construction starts, and you know, we're expecting deliveries next year to be significantly down from where they were this year and with a similar demand environment we have right now, which is, you know, significant. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:37:53You look at any of the demand variables, whether it's job growth, household formation, immigration, you know, our region of the country, while perhaps a little bit weaker than it was earlier this year and expectations for next year a little bit weaker, is materially stronger than the rest of the country. When you balance that relative demand with rapidly decreasing supply, I think you see a normal seasonal curve, but a much steeper curve to where we see some new lease rents start to accelerate. Would expect our renewals to hang in where they are. We can see out for the next three months or so that those are continuing to hold strong. Yeah, I think continued expected strength is what we'd expect, or enhanced strength, if you will, as we get into 2026. Austin WurschmidtSenior Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.00:38:41Just going back to the sequential improvement you flagged around Atlanta and Dallas, I guess, was this just as simple as less competition from supply? Was there a comp issue? Are there any markets that you'd highlight that are on the cusp of seeing kind of a similar dynamic that you referenced in Atlanta and Dallas, that sort of sequential acceleration from 2Q to 3Q and new lease rate growth. Thanks. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:39:05Yeah. For Atlanta and Dallas, what we saw particularly was some improved performance in the more urban in town. We obviously have several properties in uptown Dallas that we saw do better. We have a fair amount of exposure in Midtown, downtown, and Buckhead, Atlanta. That's where we're really starting to see some of that inflection point, where those are the sub markets that got most of the supply. They're starting to work through that. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:39:34Concessions are coming down, so there's a comp issue there, but there's just a general improvement, performance improvement there as well as they've absorbed that supply. Atlanta is one of our highest absorption markets over the last four quarters of any of them. Those are the two that I would call out. There's not any others at the moment. We're seeing obviously Q2 to Q3 celebration is a little bit opposite of normal seasonality. We're not seeing a lot that completely bucked that trend like Dallas and Atlanta did. The ones that have continued to be strong have done that. The markets I mentioned in the Carolinas continue to be strong. Dallas and Atlanta are certainly the standouts. Operator00:40:23Our next question will come from the line of Nick Yulico with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Nicholas YulicoManaging Director, U.S. REIT Research at Scotiabank00:40:29Thanks. Good morning. I guess first off, on the negative 5% new lease rate growth in the quarter, how much is that number being impacted by concessions? Meaning if you just listed all concessions, is there any way to give a feel for what that number would look like? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:40:50I'll tell you this, Nick. In terms of cash concessions this quarter, ours was about 0.6%, 0.7% of rents for our portfolio. That can give you some idea. Obviously, we spread concessions throughout the term of the lease, but that can give you a little bit of insight into that. Nicholas YulicoManaging Director, U.S. REIT Research at Scotiabank00:41:10Okay, thanks. The second question is, if I go back to the original guidance for the year and you had that bridge of FFO per share benefit and there's that bucket of development lease up and other non same store NOI, which was originally said to be a $0.20 benefit this year, I wanted to see if that's still the same number in the new guidance. Secondly, if there's any way to give a feel for if you just stabilized all the developments or lease up assets in that pool, how much extra annual FFO per share benefit would that be from that entire pool? Thanks. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:41:56Yeah, Nick, this is Clay. To your point, we introduced the guidance coming into the year with that pool of the portfolio benefiting about $0.20 for the full year. Going back to the discussion that Tim had with just the longer leasing velocity that we've seen with those properties, it hasn't been quite that strong, but it has been a positive benefit to us over the course of the year. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:42:25Now, wherever you think about those and when they fully stabilize and are generating ongoing NOI growth with those properties on a year-to-year basis, we expect to be anywhere between $0.10 and $0.12 of stabilized earn-ins growth, after considering what the cost of capital is running. That's kind of what we would see on a long-term basis. I'm talking specifically, when I say the $0.10 to $0.12, really our development lease up portfolio itself. Keep in mind there's some other things in that non same store pool that are stabilized properties, properties that haven't moved into the same store pool. When I mention the $0.10 to $0.12, it's kind of our current development lease up pipeline that's going to contribute another $0.10 to $0.12 on any given year. Operator00:43:24Our next question will come from the line of Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Please go ahead. Amy LoHead and CEO at UBS00:43:29Hi, this is Amy, I'm with Michael. We were wondering, was there any change in your fourth quarter forecast, or did the updated same store revenue guide mainly bake in just the softer third quarter? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:43:44Yeah, this Tim. We brought down, I mean, we adjusted the new lease rates for Q4 forecast based on what we saw in Q3. Actually brought up our renewal rates a little bit, but brought down the new lease rates. In terms of forecast, it's really carrying through the Q3 new lease rates. Those have more of an impact, obviously, but broadly just brought down the new lease rate run rate a little bit. Amy LoHead and CEO at UBS00:44:13Got it, thanks. Where do you ultimately see the balance between your large and mid tier market? Are there any other markets that you're targeting for acquisitions, and how do cap rates broadly across these markets compare with some of the larger markets? Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:44:30Tim, do you want to handle the performance between those two markets tonight? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:44:33Yeah, in terms of what we're seeing in the performance between the two, the mid tier markets broadly have done a little bit better and continue to do slightly better. I mentioned several of them in the prepared comments. We are starting to see that dynamic narrow a little bit as I mentioned with Dallas and Atlanta and some others, we're starting to see that performance narrow a bit and would expect that to continue to squeeze as we saw most of the supply over the last couple of years or more of the supply focused on some of those larger markets and some of those more urban submarkets. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:45:11In terms of where we're looking to deploy capital, I think it's both the large and mid tier markets. We like our current exposure between those markets where we are. I think we have 70% or so of our allocation to large markets and about 30% to the mid tier market. You'll see us continue to try to maintain that by deploying capital similar to that in the larger and mid tier markets. Clearly, as we talked about a moment ago, acquisitions, it's tough for us right now. Mainly focused on doing that through development. In terms of pricing differentials between those markets, really not much. We are really seeing similar cap rates for similar quality assets across those markets. Operator00:46:00Our next question will come from the line of Haendel St. Juste with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Haendel JusteManaging Director at Mizuho Securities00:46:06Hey there. Let's see what I got left here. Maybe one on you. I think you mentioned earlier that you're seeing new starts on a LTM basis now around 1.8% of stock, I think you mentioned, which is half a long term average. I'm curious how that figure is trending. It sounds like it's picking up from where we were earlier this year. I guess my question is what's your sense of private developers' ability to obtain financing, get underwriting, getting their underwriting to clear their hurdles, and if that's getting any better with the lower cost of debt we've seen here. Thanks. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:46:37Yeah. Hey Haendel, this is Brad. In terms of the trend of starts per quarter that we're seeing, that trend actually just continues to come down. The trailing 12 month starts in our region, as I mentioned, was 1.8%, which implies 45, 50 basis points, 45 basis points or so per quarter. Last quarter, third quarter, it was 0.2%. We're seeing that trend generally come down. I think that those numbers really track with the anecdotal evidence and information that we get from our partners, from the developers that we partner with. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:47:20What we continue to hear from them is it is getting more difficult to raise capital than it is. It's certainly not getting easier, it's getting more and more difficult. Even with the backdrop of interest rates coming down, we're certainly hearing some of the small developers, smaller developers are having trouble even getting bank financing at this point. The large developers can get bank financing, but they're having a hard time getting equity in the current environment. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:47:51Just based on the results that we're seeing on the deals, like the Scottsdale, Arizona project, the Richmond project we started last year, we continue to see opportunities for us to step into developments where someone bought the land, achieved entitlements, sometimes got plans but then could not get their financing lined up. We just continue to see more and more opportunities in that area. Some of those still don't underwrite for us, but some do. Broadly speaking, it seems like it's getting more difficult to put a shovel in the ground than it has been. Haendel JusteManaging Director at Mizuho Securities00:48:30Yeah, I appreciate the color there, Brad. One more, maybe just also a bit of a follow up from last quarter. I think you mentioned where you said you'd be willing to lean into debt a bit more given the lower cost, that you had about $1 billion of buying power with your leverage down around four times that EBITDA. I'm curious if that might be changing or evolving at all given the softer macro, the pricing that you're seeing out there. I don't think cap rates have budged at all really, and maybe other opportunities might be considered. I'm curious, that view on leaning into leverage to acquire assets, how that might be different today versus maybe 90 days ago. Thanks. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:49:12I think based on our current cost of capital, you generally won't see us buy much at this current pricing. The pricing that we would have to be able to achieve on an acquisition would have to be substantially different than it was just a few months ago. You probably won't see us lean into acquisitions in any way, shape, or form at the moment. I do think from a funding perspective, what you'll see us do is lean into debt funding for our development pipeline. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:49:49We'll continue to fund that as we talked about, generally through our commercial paper program. Once we get our debt to a certain level, we'll then look to go and issue bonds to clear that up. That's generally how we'll continue to look to finance the business. Right now at 4.2 times, we could continue to expand the balance sheet to somewhere in the 4.5%, 5% range, keep it in that range, and be completely fine with our credit rating agency. We'll continue to move forward with that type of strategy. Operator00:50:30Our next question will come from the line of Brad Heffern with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Brad HeffernDirector, REIT Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:50:36Yeah. Hi everybody. One of your peers talked on their call about how Sunbelt lease-ups are seeing challenges removing concessions when it comes time for the first renewal. Just curious if that's a dynamic that you've seen in your own lease-ups and is that a source of any broader pressure? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:50:51I mean, certainly when you start having those renewals turn, that is the most difficult part of the lease-up, where you're trying to keep the back door shut and have more people coming in the front door. We have seen that a little bit. I think more broadly we're just seeing the concession environment stay elevated, if you will, despite continuing increasing occupancy. I made this comment in my prepared comments that despite continuing increasing occupancy, we've seen five straight quarters where market level occupancy has increased in our markets. The concession environment stays pretty elevated and I think that just speaks to the uncertainty that is out there right now. It is impacting the lease-ups a little bit as well and driving that slower leasing velocity that we talked about. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:51:42Hey, Brad, this is Brad. Just one point that I would add with regard to our lease-ups, in terms of our renewals on our lease-ups, they're performing in line with our existing portfolio generally in terms of retention rates. The renewal rates that we've been able to get is about 11% in the third quarter on our lease-up property. We are getting really good traction there on the renewal side. I wouldn't think that the hangover of the concession side of things on our renewals has been impacting us, especially in the third quarter. Brad HeffernDirector, REIT Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:52:17Okay, thanks for that. Maybe I missed it, but can you give the current gain or loss to lease? Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:52:24Yeah, we're at a gain to lease of around 1% right now, which is not too unusual given this time of year. Operator00:52:36Our next question will come from the line of Connor Mitchell with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Connor MitchellResearch Analyst at Piper Sandler & Co.00:52:43Hey, morning. Thanks for taking my question. Appreciate all the commentary on the pricing in the markets. I guess we kind of would have thought that maybe the smaller markets would have been insulated from some of the pressure that the larger markets are facing, but it sounds like that's kind of dwindling on the other side of the equation. Could you just talk about what you're seeing in the, any differentiations between the demand factors for some of those mid tier markets versus the larger markets and how that's impacting performance? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:53:14Not really anything different. I mean, our strongest markets for several quarters now have been markets like Charleston and Greenville and Richmond, which, you know, still on a relative basis have gotten a fair amount of supply. There's huge demand drivers there as well. Some of our best job growth, I think Charleston right now is our best job growth market that we have. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:53:38There's still a ton of demand there even with the supply scenarios. We are, as I mentioned, I think we're starting to see, I don't think it's a lack of strength in the secondary or mid tier. It's more of some strengthening in some of the larger markets where they've started to work through some of those concessions. They started to get the net absorption and I think it's more a function of like a Dallas and Atlanta as I mentioned on the way up versus some of the mid tiers coming down. Connor MitchellResearch Analyst at Piper Sandler & Co.00:54:08Okay, that makes sense. Maybe following kind of the same line but again switching to the supply side, it does seem like the supply will be coming down compared to this year and past couple of years, but it's just kind of dragging out from what we expected earlier in the year. Even in the mid summer. Do you see kind of the extending of supply just dragging out having more of an impact on some of the larger markets than you expected earlier this year or just kind of what kind of supply pressure are you kind of expecting now versus earlier in the year, especially from the larger markets but overall as well? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:54:51Yeah, I mean on the supply side I don't think it's moved a ton in terms of our expectations of what that impact is going to be. I think some of the weakening we've seen in new lease pricing has been more a function of some of the job growth numbers and what we talked about before. A little bit weaker demand but certainly much stronger in our region of the country. The absorption continues to be great. We've had the last three or four quarters I mentioned of increasing occupancies in our markets. There's been about 300,000 apartments absorbed over the last five quarters in our markets, and that continues to hold up strong. Assuming demand kind of hangs in where it is now, we would expect this to continue to get better and strengthen particularly as we get to the spring and the summer of next year. Operator00:55:44Our next question will come from the line of Rich Hightower with Barclays. Please go ahead. Rich HightowerManaging Director, U.S. REIT Equity Research at Barclays00:55:49Hey, good morning guys. Covered a lot of ground so just one for me, but I'm going to go back to the stat on, I guess, all-time low move out for home purchases and, you know, I think we all understand the dynamic driving that. I guess in your opinion, is affordability the only gating factor to that number kind of moving up back towards historical averages going forward? It just sort of feels like there's this massive, massive pent up demand to buy houses, and so how would that affect your business? What are your thoughts? Thanks. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:56:23Rich, this is Brad. I mean, I think in general that's certainly a component, but I don't think that's the only component. I think if you look at the demographics of our renters, where they are, you know, 80% are single. If you look at the average income for us now, it is approaching $100,000 given where, you know, current home prices are. Yeah, I mean, there is definitely an affordability issue there. I think, you know, just given the demographics, we're seeing certainly more single-person households being formed, which definitely, I think, leans more into the rental market than it does the for-sale market. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:57:09There are demographic shifts. I think what folks are looking for, you know, one of the number one reasons why folks are renting is because they want a maintenance-free lifestyle, which you can't get in the single-family market, but you can in the most multifamily market. I think there are other things going on that are driving some of the retention rates. We've seen that trend declining for the last 10+ years. Certainly, it's as low as it is today, partly because of the single-family affordability, but there are other trends that were in place years ago that started that trend. I think it will continue to be in the ballpark of where it is today for the foreseeable future. All right, thanks very much. Operator00:57:58Our next question will come from the line of Wes Golladay with Baird. Please go ahead. Wes GolladaySenior Research Analyst at Baird00:58:03Hey, good morning everyone. I just want to see if there's any early indicators of a demand slowdown. Is your exposure in line with normal levels? You did call out Atlanta as having high absorption. Are there any markets that are having a deceleration in absorption? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:58:18Hey Wes, this is Tim. On your first question, exposure, we're at 6.1%, which is about 30 basis points lower than it was this time last year. As I mentioned, we're around 95.6% occupancy, which is a good 20 basis points or so higher than it was this time last year. I think as we head into the slower leasing season, we're certainly in good shape in terms of those metrics. No, broadly, there's not any markets where we're seeing a material slowdown in absorption, Q3 absorption wasn't quite as high as Q2, but Q2 is sort of a record of anything that we've ever seen. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:59:07We did still see market level occupancies from Q2 to Q3 moved up about 30 basis points. Outside of some of the weaker markets that are still below, Austin still at a 91%, 92% kind of level market wide, where we're much better than that. Including the entire market, Huntsville is one that, it's a smaller market, but it is at a record ton of supply there. That's another one that's struggling a little bit with absorption, but broadly continuing to see uptick in that absorption level and occupancy levels. Wes GolladaySenior Research Analyst at Baird00:59:42Okay, thank you. Operator00:59:46Our next question will come from the line of Linda Tsai with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Linda TsaiSenior Vice President at Jefferies00:59:50Hi, I'm [26] earn-ins being flat to slightly down. What was this like 90 days ago? From an internal reporting standpoint, how frequently do you update earn-in expectations? You always have a point-in-time metric available. Just wondering if this could change quickly as supply drops further in 2026. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:00:13We look at it typically when we look at our forecast and look at that every month and every quarter. It certainly came down a little bit just based on our new lease growth expectations. The way we look at earn-ins is just all the leases that we expect to be in place at December 31st sort of assume that rent roll carried through to next year. It is going to be dependent on where those new lease rates head. Right now that's kind of what we're thinking is that somewhere around flat for next year. Operator01:00:49Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Alex Kim with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Alex KimManaging Director at BMO Capital Markets01:00:58Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. Just a quick follow up on the retention question from Rich earlier and asked how do you think turnover should trend during the recovery portion of the cycle? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:01:09Right now we don't expect material changes in turnover. I mean, it's hard to believe it gets a lot lower from here, but I don't think there's a lot of signs pointing to it getting much higher either. I mean for all the reasons Brad talked about on single family homes, like that to move much, I mean job changes, job transfers are always our number one reason for turnover. If that starts to pick up, it's probably a sign that the economy is doing pretty well. Even though turnover could pick up a little bit in that scenario, it's probably good more broad and we're getting better rent growth as well. Nothing we see would suggest that turnover changes a lot from where it is right now. Operator01:02:04Our next question will come from the line of Ann Chan with Green Street. Please go ahead. Ann ChanAnalyst at Green Street01:02:08Hey, thanks for taking the question, just one for me. You noted earlier that migration and household formation trends should remain pretty stable in 2024 relative to what we see in 2025. Given that and following up on a comment from a few months ago, do you still anticipate new lease rate growth possibly turning positive by next summer, or is job growth enough of a wild card in 2026 that might cause a slower pace of supply absorption that might push out the new lease recovery timeline further? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:02:49As we said, we're not giving guidance for 2026. I do think if the demand side remains kind of where it is right now, where we're thinking that we expect to see continue or expect to see acceleration in new lease rates, it's difficult to know exactly where it's going to be several months from now. It's at least obviously the most volatile in terms of how your competitors are behaving and all that. Given what we know today with the demand trends, we know what supply is doing and we're in a great position in sort of all the other metrics. I would just leave it as we expect to see new lease rates to continue to get better on a year-over-year basis as they have this year. Operator01:03:34Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Omotayo Okusanya with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Omotayo OkusanyaManaging Director at Deutsche Bank01:03:43Hi. Yes, good morning everyone. While your markets generally are not, tend not to be prone to any kind of rent control type provisions. Just kind of curious as we're kind of going through the current election cycle, if there's anything on any ballot in any of the key states that you're kind of watching that could have implications for your operating performance going forward. Rob DelPrioreEVP, Chief Administrative Officer and General Counsel at MAA01:04:09It's Rob there. As we've talked about before and as you indicated, our markets, 90% of our NOI is in states that have a state-level prohibition preventing local governments from passing rent control rules. We're not really seeing anything on rent control in any of our markets that's going on. There are a few out there in the country, but there is also a lot of pushback really saying that rent control is not really the answer to the affordability issue. I think we're keeping an eye on it, but nothing that we're really concerned about right now. Omotayo OkusanyaManaging Director at Deutsche Bank01:04:49Thank you. Operator01:04:54Our final question will come from the line of [JP] Flankos with BNP. Please go ahead. Analyst at BNP Paribas01:05:00Hi, just one given the has been weaker appear to fall that have lower annual income relative to the private industry as a whole. Earlier you mentioned that the projection. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:05:17Hey JP, you're breaking up pretty bad. Maybe you can try again. We're having a hard time hearing you. No, not getting you. Are you on? Maybe try one more time. Analyst at BNP Paribas01:05:47Now? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:05:47And try repeating your question. JP FlankosAnalyst at BNP Paribas01:05:57Can you hear me? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:05:59Yeah, you're kind of coming in and out. JP FlankosAnalyst at BNP Paribas01:06:03We'll just leave it there. Thanks. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:06:06Okay, we can follow up with you offline, JP. Operator01:06:11With that, I'll return the call back to MAA for any closing comments. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA01:06:16All right, we appreciate everybody joining today, and we'll see you guys all in the upcoming conference. If you got any questions, don't hesitate to reach out. Thanks. Operator01:06:27This concludes today's program. Thank you for your participation. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the MAA third quarter 2025 earn-ins conference call. During the presentation, all participants will be in listen only mode. Afterward, the company will conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, October 30, 2025, and in consideration of time we have a two question limit. I will now turn the call over to Andrew Schaeffer, Senior Vice President, Treasurer and Director of Capital Markets of MAA, for opening comments. Andrew SchaefferSVP, Treasurer and Director of Capital Markets at MAA00:00:31Thank you, Regina, and good morning, everyone. This is Andrew Schaeffer, Treasurer and Director of Capital Markets for MAA. Members of the management team participating on the call this morning are Brad Hill, Tim Argo, Clay Holder, and Rob DelPriore. Before I begin with prepared comments this morning, I want to point out that as part of this discussion, company management will be making forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from our projections. We encourage you to refer to the Forward-Looking Statements section in yesterday's earn-ins release and our 34 Act filings with the SEC, which describe risk factors that may impact future results. Andrew SchaefferSVP, Treasurer and Director of Capital Markets at MAA00:01:05During this call, we will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. A presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, as well as reconciliations of the differences between non-GAAP and comparable GAAP measures, can be found in our earn-ins release and Supplemental Financial Data. Our earn-ins release and supplement are currently available on the For Investors page of our website at www.maac.com. A copy of our prepared comments and an audio recording of this call will also be available on our website later today. After some brief prepared comments, the management team will be available to answer questions. I will now turn the call over to Brad. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:01:44Thank you, Andrew, and good morning, everyone. As highlighted in our earn-ins release, our third quarter Core FFO results met our expectations, reinforcing the resilience of our platform and strategy. While the broader economic environment has introduced some challenges, including slower job growth and tempered pricing power in new leases, we are still seeing recovery. Strong occupancy, solid collections, and year-over-year improvements in new, renewal, and blended lease rates in the third quarter demonstrate our momentum. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:02:23Demand across our markets remains healthy, and we are encouraged that the record level of lease-ups in our region are being absorbed, with occupancy levels increasing 450 basis points over the past five quarters and now approaching pre-COVID levels. Supply levels in our markets, though elevated historically, are trending down at a faster pace than many other regions. As new deliveries continue to decline each quarter, we anticipate a strengthening recovery in pricing power and operating performance. Importantly, new starts remain below long-term averages and have for the past 10 quarters, and we see no indication of an acceleration in starts. In fact, per our third-party data provider, our market saw just 0.2% of inventory in new starts in the third quarter, and starts over the trailing four quarters were just 1.8% of inventory, roughly half the historical norm, positioning us for sustained improvement. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:03:28Our diversified presence across high-growth markets and more affordable price point provides access to a broader segment of the rental market that is financially strong, supporting continued strong collections. Additionally, our region continues to capture one of the highest levels of annual wage growth, as evidenced by the increased incomes of our new residents, driving favorable rent-to-income ratios which remain at a healthy low of 20%. Improving leasing conditions also bolster our redevelopment pipeline, offering residents a newly renovated unit at a more affordable price as compared to the higher-priced new multifamily supply. Due to persistent single-family affordability challenges, our strong customer service, and demographic trends that support renting, residents are choosing to stay longer, with only 10.8% of our move-outs occurring due to home purchases. Our balance sheet remains a key strength with our recent credit facility expansion, which Clay will discuss in a moment. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:04:32Providing exceptional flexibility, while the transaction market has been active at sub-5% cap rates, we continue to identify select accretive opportunities such as our recent Kansas City acquisition, a stabilized suburban 318-unit property that we purchased for approximately $96 million and is expected to deliver a year one NOI yield of 5.8%. Subsequent to quarter end, we purchased an adjacent land parcel for an ADA unit Phase Two that will expand the stabilized NOI yield on our total investment to nearly 6.5%. After capturing additional scale and efficiencies from the Phase Two development, we are also advancing our development pipeline and securing additional attractive long-term investment opportunities. In today's equity-constrained environment, our access to capital and development expertise remain competitive advantages. Following quarter end, we acquired land, plans, and permits for a shovel-ready project in Scottsdale, Arizona, scheduled to begin construction in the fourth quarter. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:05:43This project, like others we've recently launched, reflects our ability to capitalize on situations where developers faced equity challenges, allowing us to secure projects at a compelling basis. The Scottsdale development is expected to deliver a stabilized NOI yield of 6.1%. In total, we now own or control 15 development sites with approvals for over 4,200 units, and if market conditions remain supportive, we anticipate starting construction on six to eight projects over the next six quarters, driving meaningful earn-ins contribution in the years ahead. With a 30-year track record of delivering through economic cycles, we remain confident in our ability to execute during this transition. Our focus on high-demand, high-growth markets, significant redevelopment opportunities, efficiency gains from technology initiatives rolling out in 2026 and beyond, and a growing external growth strategy position us for stronger earn-ins growth. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:06:42Our portfolio will continue to benefit from job growth, wage growth, household formation and migration, and population trends that outpace other regions. We are encouraged by the building blocks that are in place and what we expect will be an acceleration of the recovery cycle in 2026, leading to sustained revenue and earn-ins growth as new deliveries continue to decline and the recovery advances. To all our associates across our properties and corporate offices, thank you for your unwavering dedication and commitment during this busy leasing season. Your efforts continue to drive our success. With that, I'll turn the call over to Tim. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:07:21Thank you, Brad, and good morning, everyone. For the third quarter, we saw increasing occupancy and strong retention and renewal lease rates, but experienced continued lack of traction in the ability to push on new lease rates. We believe broad economic uncertainty and slower job growth, as evidenced by a downward revision to the job growth numbers, contributed to prospects being more cautious about making decisions to move and to operators prioritizing occupancy over new lease rents. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:07:53Despite the challenging environment for new leases, we continue to see new lease-over-lease pricing improve over the prior year at -5.2%, about 20 basis points as compared to the third quarter of 2024. Combined with the strong renewal lease over lease performance of +4.5%, which was up 40 basis points over the prior year, blended pricing for the quarter was positive 0.3%, improving 50 basis points from the third quarter of last year. As mentioned, average physical occupancy sequentially improved to 95.6% in the third quarter, representing a 20 basis point increase from the second quarter. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:08:32Additionally, we had another quarter of strong collections with net delinquency representing just 0.3% of billed rents. A number of our mid-tier markets, particularly in the Mid Atlantic region, continue to be outperformers relative to the portfolio. Richmond and the Washington D.C. area markets remain strong, and other markets such as Savannah, Charleston, and Greenville all demonstrated strong pricing power in the quarter. Of our larger markets, Houston continued to be steady, and we're seeing encouraging progress in Atlanta and the Dallas-Fort Worth area properties, where blended pricing in both of these markets improved sequentially from the second quarter and outperformed the same store portfolio. The lagging markets we have noted for the past few quarters remain consistent, with Austin continuing to work through its record supply pressure resulting in weak new lease pricing, and Nashville facing significant pricing pressure. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:09:24As well as in our lease-up portfolio, we had three properties, West Midtown, Daybreak, and Milepost 35, reach stabilization in the third quarter. We continue to make progress with our other four lease-up properties, which have a combined occupancy of 66.1% as of the end of the third quarter, and the two development properties that are currently leasing units. We have seen the uncertainty and higher leasing pressure impact a portion of our lease-up portfolio and push the stabilization date by one quarter for Val Vista in Phoenix, while Liberty Road just started leasing. The other five properties with units delivered are well into the lease-up process, and rents are in line with the original performance. This helps preserve the long-term value creation opportunity. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:10:09Despite the overall leasing velocity being a little bit behind original expectations, our various targeted redevelopment and repositioning initiatives continued in the third quarter, and we still expect to accelerate these programs into 2026. During the third quarter of 2025 we completed 2,090 interior unit upgrades, achieving rent increases of $99 above non-upgraded units and a cash on cash return in excess of 20%. This was an acceleration of both volume of completed units and rent growth achieved from the second quarter. Despite this more competitive supply environment, these units lease on average 10 days faster than non-renovated units when adjusted for the additional turn time. We still expect to renovate approximately 6,000 units in 2025 and for our common area and amenity repositioning program we continue the repricing phase at six recent projects with five of the six past the halfway point in repricing. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:11:07The results are encouraging with double-digit NOI yields and rent growth far exceeding peer MAA properties. Five additional projects are now underway with anticipated repricing to coincide with the prime 2026 leasing season. We are live on five 2025 retrofit projects for community-wide Wi-Fi with go-live dates planned through the remainder of 2025 at an additional 15 communities as we approach the end of October. Our current occupancy is 95.6% and 60-day exposure is 6.1%, 20 basis points and 30 basis points respectively better than this, which keeps us in a position for stable occupancy heading into the slower traffic season. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:11:49As Brad referenced, new supply pressure continues to moderate and absorption remains strong with market level occupancies including lease-ups at the highest level since mid-2019. Our theme of strong renewal performance continues in the fourth quarter with high retention rates and lease over lease growth rates on renewals accepted for October, November, and December ranging between +4.5% and +4.9%. Moderating construction starts, Sunbelt market demand dynamics, and high retention rates underlie our optimism for an improving leasing environment, particularly as we get into the spring and summer leasing season of 2026. That's all I have in the way of prepared comments. Now I'll turn the call over to Clay. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:12:30Thank you Tim and good morning everyone. We reported Core FFO for the quarter of $2.16 per diluted share, which was in line with the midpoint of our third quarter guidance. Favorable overhead expenses of $0.01 and same store expenses of $0.005 were offset by unfavorable same store revenues of $0.005 and non same store expenses of $0.01. As Tim alluded to in his comments, our occupancy and renewal lease performance remained strong and were in line with our projections for the quarter, while new lease rates performed below our expectations. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:13:06During the quarter, we funded approximately $78 million in development cost for our current $797 million pipeline, leaving an expected $254 million to be funded on the current pipeline over the next three years. Our balance sheet remains well positioned to support these and other future growth opportunities. At the end of the quarter, we had $850 million in combined cash and borrowing capacity under our revolving credit facility, and our net debt to EBITDA ratio was 4.2 times. At quarter end, our outstanding debt was approximately 91% fixed with an average maturity of 6.3 years at an effective rate of 3.8%. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:13:49Subsequent to quarter end, we amended our revolving credit facility, increasing the capacity of the facility from $1.25 billion to $1.5 billion and extending the maturity of the facility to January 2030. In addition, we amended our commercial paper program to increase the maximum amount of outstanding commercial paper borrowings to $750 million. We have an upcoming $400 million bond maturity in November that we expect to refinance in the fourth quarter. Finally, we have adjusted our Core FFO and same store guidance for the year as well as revised other areas of our detailed guidance previously provided, primarily due to the lower recovery trajectory on new lease rents. As the broader economy and employment markets moderated over the summer months, we are making slight adjustments to our guidance associated with same store rent growth. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:14:39We are lowering the midpoint of effective rent growth guidance to negative 0.4% while maintaining average fiscal occupancy guidance at 95.6% for the year. Total same store revenue guidance for the year is revised to negative 0.05%. We are also lowering our same store property operating expense growth projections for the year to 2.2%. The midpoint of the lower guidance is primarily due to favorable third quarter property tax valuations as compared to our original expectations. The changes to our same store revenue and property operating expense projections result in us adjusting our same store NOI expectation to negative 1.35%. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:15:22In addition to updating our same store operating projections, we are revising our 2025 guidance to reflect favorable trends in overhead expenses along with adjusting our acquisition and disposition volume for the year given the current transactions market. The impact of these adjustments, combined with the updated expectations for our non same store portfolio, resulted in us adjusting the midpoint of our full year Core FFO guidance to $8.74 per share and narrowing the range to $8.68 to $8.80 per share. That is all that we have in the way of prepared comments. Regina, we will now turn the call back to you for questions. Operator00:16:02We will now open the call up for questions. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you'd like to withdraw your question, press star one a second time. In the interest of time, the company has requested a two question limit. Our first question will come from the line of Eric Wolfe with Citi. Please go ahead. Eric WolfeManaging Partner at Citi Reearch00:16:22Hey, thanks. Good morning. A number of your peers have talked about worsening trends in late September and into October, specifically on new lease beyond just the sort of normal seasonal curve. Can you maybe talk about recent pricing trends that you're seeing on new leases? Is there any markets that are moving abnormally at this time of year and just sort of any thoughts on how that could trend through the rest of the quarter? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:16:49Yeah, Eric, this is Tim. I would say broadly we've seen generally pretty typical seasonality. We actually on the new lease side saw our new lease decline a little bit less than normal from Q2 to Q3. Normally in the 60 to 70 basis point moderation, we moderated 40 basis points and then even did better on the renewal side. I think broadly we're seeing normal seasonality. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:17:16We typically see pricing kind of peak in July and then slowly moderate from there for the rest of the year as the traffic starts to die down. That's pretty much what we've seen. The trend was a little bit less seasonal as I mentioned, but broadly happening as we would typically expect. In terms of markets, the D.C. market we talked about still on a relative basis doing well, but certainly moderated a little on the new lease side. The other, some of the laggards as I talked about, have been similar. The encouraging ones have been Dallas and Atlanta both. We saw actually new lease acceleration from Q2 to Q3, and those are combined our two largest markets. Seeing some encouraging trends there, broadly normal seasonality. Eric WolfeManaging Partner at Citi Reearch00:18:06That's helpful. Could you maybe talk about any early thoughts on 2026 in terms of earn-in and contribution from other income, essentially the more predictable items for next year? Obviously, if you want to give your view of market rent growth, we'll take it, but realize it's a dynamic. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:18:24Hey, Eric, this is Brad. I'll start and Tim can certainly jump in here. As we look at and start thinking about what 2026 is likely to look like, just big picture, I think really for us, to start with, we talk about the demand fundamentals and for us, everything ultimately boils down to what the demand side of the equation ultimately looks like long term. As we look at 2026 today, we really think that the demand fundamentals look pretty similar in 2026 to the way they've looked this year. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:19:02Whether you're looking at migration trends, population growth, household formation, or just single family affordability headwinds, we really think all of those look very, very similar next year. Clearly, the unknown for us is the job market and really what that looks like next year. Early projections that we see for next year show the job market looking a little bit softer than it does this year. I think one thing to keep in mind is next year is an election year. I do think the administration is going to be very focused on getting the tariffs kind of behind them and then really focused on job growth, the balance of the year, which we think could certainly help on the job growth side. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:19:45I think certainly from a supply perspective, we know the supply pipeline next year is set to decline considerably from where it is this year, where next year's deliveries will be about a close to a 50% drop from the peak that we had in 2024. Certainly, the picture looks a lot better on that front. Despite our recovery certainly not being quite as robust as what we had hoped for this year, we are making progress. I think that progress will continue to manifest itself as we get into 2026. Tim, what would you add? On the earn-in piece? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:20:23Yeah, on the earn-in piece. I mean, I think we're based on where we see rents at the end of this year. You're probably somewhere around flat to slightly negative, which is a little bit of improvement on where we were heading into 2025. Last point I'll make on the yes, about the other income. It'll be the Wi-Fi retrofit program projects that'll drive that. They've been slow to materialize this year as we wait on circuit deliveries and other things, but we've got 20 or so that we think by end of this year and that group as a whole, once fully rolled out, is about a $5 million NOI piece. We'll get a piece of that. That'll be the biggest thing sort of above and beyond our normal run rate on fee and other income. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:21:07Just to follow up on the point on the earn-in, as Tim mentioned for next year, flattish going into 2026 and just as a reminder, coming into 2025, it was a negative 40 basis points headwind improvement going into 2026 as we sit here today. Operator00:21:29Our next question will come from the line of Jamie Feldman with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Jamie FeldmanHead of REIT Research at Wells Fargo00:21:35Great, thanks for taking the question. I guess following up on the guidance line of questioning on the expense side, anything, you know, as we think about year-over-year comparisons, anything in 2026 that we should be aware of. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:21:48Jamie, this is Clay. The one thing, a couple things that I would call out, I think starting with real estate taxes. We saw some very good favorability in our original projections for real estate taxes at this point in the year. A lot of that is due to some prior year adjustments, some one-time prior year adjustments that we realized this year. We'll have to anniversary that. Also thinking about the fact that we are projecting negative NOI growth for the year, so would expect property valuations to significantly increase going into next year. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:22:27All said, we would expect real estate taxes to grow at a relatively normal rate of somewhere between 2.5% and 3.5%. I'm not giving guidance at this point, but just kind of where we think that that's where we're probably headed at this point. Other than that, I think insurance will continue to get some tailwind from that given our recent renewal. That'll benefit us in the front half of the year and then we'll have to go through that process again next year. Wouldn't expect at this point any significant increases in that line, just probably normal typical run rates. Then personnel, R&M costs, things of that nature. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:23:08Brad mentioned the tariffs and expectation that that gets settled here over the course of the next several months. We would think that those would typically grow in line with just typical deflationary trends. Nothing really outside of the norm for those. Should get a little bit of a benefit in marketing expenses next year as we get past the levels of supply that we're facing this past year. That should tail off a bit as well. All in all, I don't want to speak to overall guidance, but that's kind of how we're thinking about those items. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:23:41I might add one point real quick. Just on the utility side, we talked about the Wi-Fi retrofit program a minute ago. There is an expense component that hits in that utilities line. There's obviously a much larger revenue component, but that'll impact utilities a little bit as well. Jamie FeldmanHead of REIT Research at Wells Fargo00:23:57Okay, great. Super helpful color. Just thinking about concessions and some of your bigger development markets or heavier supply markets, how would you, you know, what's the scorecard on the pace of concessions today? Is it getting better, is it getting worse? Anything you'd call out there? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:24:16I would say broadly, concessions in Q3 were a little bit higher than what we were in Q2. When we look at our comps, there was probably 55% to 60% or so of our comps that have some sort of specials, and that's up a little bit from what it was in Q2, but not significantly. I think the level of concessions at a given property is pretty similar. You're seeing anywhere from half a month to a month free is pretty typical, with a little bit higher in some of the highest supplied submarkets. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:24:49We've seen a couple submarkets where they came down. I mentioned Atlanta earlier. We're seeing a little bit lower concessions. Buckhead, Uptown, Dallas, we're seeing a little bit lower concessions. It's actually some of the more urban submarkets. We've seen concessions come down a little bit, and then we've seen it up a little bit in Phoenix, a little bit in suburban Orlando, a little bit in downtown Nashville, but broadly ticked up a little bit, but not hugely different than what we've been seeing. Operator00:25:19Our next question will come from the line of Adam Kramer with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Adam KramerVP and Equity Research at Morgan Stanley00:25:25Hey, thanks for the time, guys. Maybe just wanted to ask about sort of lease up for your development properties and maybe just how the cadence of that today compares to lease up cadence maybe six months ago or the same time a year ago. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:25:42Yeah, this is Tim. I mean the leasing velocity broadly has been a little bit slower. I don't think it's necessarily gotten slower than what it has been over the last couple quarters. We've seen obviously with the supply over the last couple years that that velocity has been a little bit slower to occur than what we originally underwrote. Broadly rents are in line. When you think about the overall lease up portfolio we're holding, holding tight there and keeping as I mentioned in the call comments, just keeping our value proposition in line. Broadly leasing velocity a little bit slower than what we expected and we pushed back one of the stabilization dates on one of our lease up properties but broadly the rents are intact and feeling good. Particularly as we move into the spring and summer. We expect those to really start to increase on that velocity. Adam KramerVP and Equity Research at Morgan Stanley00:26:40Great. Maybe I know you touched on it a little bit earlier but maybe just the specific new renewal and blended lease growth for October if you're able to provide. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:26:51We're not going to get into the details of the monthly, but I would say generally what we're expecting for Q4. I mentioned this earlier is pretty normal seasonality, perhaps a little bit less than what we typically see as supply continues to moderate. I mentioned in the comments that renewals are holding up really well. I think on a blended basis could be a little bit better than last year and new lease is probably trending somewhere maybe slightly better than where we were last year, but typically normal seasonality with a little bit better performance on the renewal side. Operator00:27:31Our next question will come from the line of Steve Sakwa with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Steve SakwaSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:27:37Yeah, thanks. Good morning. I guess I wanted to circle up on the Scottsdale project. I think you mentioned that the initial yield on that was 6.1 and maybe with the new piece of land it would go to 6.5, but you know your stock's kind of trading sort of in that mid-sixes right now. Just how are you thinking about capital allocation, development yields, and what kind of hurdles do you need on projects going forward given the changing cost of capital. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:28:03Yeah. Hey Steve, this is Brad. A couple of things that I'll mention. One, just a clarification. What I mentioned in my comments was the Kansas City deal was about a, that was an acquisition, was a 5.8. We went under contract in that back when our stock price was in the $150s. Certainly, cost of capital was a little bit different at that point for that project. When we add the phase two component to it, that'll bring the total investment yield on that one to about a 6.5. You're correct. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:28:43The Scottsdale development is about a 6.1 NOI yield. That part's correct. In terms of capital allocation, when we're looking to make really any decision, a couple things that we're considering. One is where's our capital coming from? What's the cost of that capital really? What's the potential long-term impact of that investment on our business? Our primary focus in all of our decisions that we make is on generating compounded earn-ins growth to support a steady and growing dividend over the long term. I mean that's really what we are at our heart really focused on. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:29:24If you look at the performance that we've put up in terms of dividend performance over the last 10 years, I think we've been very successful in hitting those goals. We have probably one of the highest, if not the highest, 10-year CAGRs on dividend growth performance in the space where it's at 7%. earn-ins and dividends are really the best ways for us to deliver TSR on a REIT platform. When we're looking to invest capital, we can deploy it through external growth as we were just talking about, via development or acquisitions. We can invest in various internal opportunities that include technology investment, really geared towards strengthening our platform and driving efficiencies, improving margins of our existing portfolio, or we can reinvest in our existing shares. Those are really the options that we have. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:30:21Certainly at the moment, scaling our platform from acquisitions has really gotten materially more difficult given the dislocation that we see right now between private and public markets. We have, again as I mentioned with the Kansas City, been able to find select acquisition opportunities, but that's probably going to be even more difficult. As I mentioned in my opening comments, we do continue to find what we believe are compelling development opportunities where we're able to achieve yields in the 6% to 6.5% range, which if you look at that compared to our current cost of capital, it's still accretive. If you look at it on an after CapEx basis, it produces similar returns to what we would get if we were investing in our existing portfolio right now. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:31:13Importantly, I think you have to remember that by selectively determining where we're putting some of this capital in developments, we think we're able to drive better long-term growth prospects through that capital. With six to eight projects that we think we can start over the next six quarters at a cost of $850 million, we have a pretty good runway for continued growth. We'll continue to lean into some of these numerous internal investment opportunities in 2026. As Tim talked about, we're looking to expand our renovation and repositioning platforms, and we'll continue to see us do that. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:31:55Having said all that, our focus is on driving long-term earn-ins growth and higher share value. If we find that our best investment opportunity to do that is to invest in our existing portfolio via share repurchases, we have an authorization in place. We've done it before and we wouldn't hesitate to do that again if conditions warranted it. It's something that we continue to monitor at every one of our investment opportunities and we'll continue to do so. Steve SakwaSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:32:25Okay, thanks. Maybe just as a second and maybe a follow-up, just I guess taking that and maybe stretching it out a bit, just with dispositions, could accelerating dispositions kind of be part of the philosophy, maybe to fund both the development and potential share buybacks? It seems like pricing is pretty good in the apartment market, despite some of the slowdowns we all talked about here on the leasing side. Could you lean into dispositions at this point? Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:32:54Yeah, I mean, we definitely could. I mean, frankly, our disposition strategy is really based on trying to improve the overall quality of the portfolio while not introducing earn-ins volatility. We wouldn't want to significantly scale up dispositions to take advantage of some market level arbitrage and introduce earn-ins volatility. As part of our annual strategy, we're generally looking to dispose of around $300 million worth of assets. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:33:30If we find that we can continue to do that, and when we dispose of those assets, the best use of that capital is to go into share repurchases, then I think we would continue to look to do that. From my perspective, the share buyback is really an alternative based on current cost of capital. Current returns is an alternative to what we would do with that disposition capital where normally we would roll it back into the acquisition market. That's just not a broad opportunity for us at the moment. Operator00:34:04Our next question will come from the line of Jana Galan with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Jana GalanDirector at Bank of America00:34:08Thank you. Good morning. Following up on your comments on the transaction market and seeing its assets trading at sub-5% cap rates. Can you help us understand how investors are underwriting the rent growth at this point in the Sunbelt recovery and maybe the types of financing they have available to them to get them there? Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:34:28Sure. I think the number one driver right now from the deals that we're looking at of those cap rates is the cost of capital. I think if you look today where folks are generally able to get five-year money today from the agencies, it's probably in the maybe 5.25% range, maybe just under that. Most folks are able to buy down the rate by 25 or 30 basis points. By the time they do that, they're at a sub-5% interest rate, and at that point, they're generally underwriting a couple of years of a little bit more aggressive rent growth to get their returns to make sense. I would say the number one driver is just given where the cost of capital is today, it's really supporting cap rates to be sub-5%, especially when you layer onto that the buy down of the rates. Jana GalanDirector at Bank of America00:35:30Thank you. Kind of different topic, but you know, you guys have always been very strong in your Google scores and reviews. I'm curious kind of how you're implementing AI and looking at different ways as search moves more over to those types of platforms to kind of continue this reputation that you have out there. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:35:55Hey, this is Tim. I'm glad you brought up builder reviews where we continue to do really well there. We're number one in the sector. Four point seven or so is our average with a lot of volume. We put a lot of emphasis on that. In terms of our use of AI, we're using it obviously in multiple areas of the company and something that we're expanding more now as we think about leasing and some of the communication. We'll have some more pilots and tests on that as we get into next year. Obviously, a key part of our go forward platform is continuing to look at all the various uses of that. Operator00:36:41Our next question will come from the line of Austin Wurschmidt with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Austin WurschmidtSenior Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.00:36:47Thanks. Good morning everybody. You talked about how 2026 could look a lot like 2025 from a demand perspective and supply obviously coming down pretty meaningfully, I guess. Should we just continue to see lease rate growth improve versus the prior year, or I guess asked a little bit differently, should schedule rent continue to accelerate from here into 2026. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:37:09Hey, Austin, this is Tim. Yeah, I mean, I think we're back in terms of the normal seasonality of things. This year has been the most seasonal that we've seen in the last few years. I think generally that seasonality will hold as you strengthen through the spring and summer and then moderate a little bit into the fall and winter. I think we're obviously not giving guidance right now, but when you think about how much supply is moderating and look at construction starts, and you know, we're expecting deliveries next year to be significantly down from where they were this year and with a similar demand environment we have right now, which is, you know, significant. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:37:53You look at any of the demand variables, whether it's job growth, household formation, immigration, you know, our region of the country, while perhaps a little bit weaker than it was earlier this year and expectations for next year a little bit weaker, is materially stronger than the rest of the country. When you balance that relative demand with rapidly decreasing supply, I think you see a normal seasonal curve, but a much steeper curve to where we see some new lease rents start to accelerate. Would expect our renewals to hang in where they are. We can see out for the next three months or so that those are continuing to hold strong. Yeah, I think continued expected strength is what we'd expect, or enhanced strength, if you will, as we get into 2026. Austin WurschmidtSenior Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.00:38:41Just going back to the sequential improvement you flagged around Atlanta and Dallas, I guess, was this just as simple as less competition from supply? Was there a comp issue? Are there any markets that you'd highlight that are on the cusp of seeing kind of a similar dynamic that you referenced in Atlanta and Dallas, that sort of sequential acceleration from 2Q to 3Q and new lease rate growth. Thanks. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:39:05Yeah. For Atlanta and Dallas, what we saw particularly was some improved performance in the more urban in town. We obviously have several properties in uptown Dallas that we saw do better. We have a fair amount of exposure in Midtown, downtown, and Buckhead, Atlanta. That's where we're really starting to see some of that inflection point, where those are the sub markets that got most of the supply. They're starting to work through that. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:39:34Concessions are coming down, so there's a comp issue there, but there's just a general improvement, performance improvement there as well as they've absorbed that supply. Atlanta is one of our highest absorption markets over the last four quarters of any of them. Those are the two that I would call out. There's not any others at the moment. We're seeing obviously Q2 to Q3 celebration is a little bit opposite of normal seasonality. We're not seeing a lot that completely bucked that trend like Dallas and Atlanta did. The ones that have continued to be strong have done that. The markets I mentioned in the Carolinas continue to be strong. Dallas and Atlanta are certainly the standouts. Operator00:40:23Our next question will come from the line of Nick Yulico with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Nicholas YulicoManaging Director, U.S. REIT Research at Scotiabank00:40:29Thanks. Good morning. I guess first off, on the negative 5% new lease rate growth in the quarter, how much is that number being impacted by concessions? Meaning if you just listed all concessions, is there any way to give a feel for what that number would look like? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:40:50I'll tell you this, Nick. In terms of cash concessions this quarter, ours was about 0.6%, 0.7% of rents for our portfolio. That can give you some idea. Obviously, we spread concessions throughout the term of the lease, but that can give you a little bit of insight into that. Nicholas YulicoManaging Director, U.S. REIT Research at Scotiabank00:41:10Okay, thanks. The second question is, if I go back to the original guidance for the year and you had that bridge of FFO per share benefit and there's that bucket of development lease up and other non same store NOI, which was originally said to be a $0.20 benefit this year, I wanted to see if that's still the same number in the new guidance. Secondly, if there's any way to give a feel for if you just stabilized all the developments or lease up assets in that pool, how much extra annual FFO per share benefit would that be from that entire pool? Thanks. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:41:56Yeah, Nick, this is Clay. To your point, we introduced the guidance coming into the year with that pool of the portfolio benefiting about $0.20 for the full year. Going back to the discussion that Tim had with just the longer leasing velocity that we've seen with those properties, it hasn't been quite that strong, but it has been a positive benefit to us over the course of the year. Clay HolderEVP and CFO at MAA00:42:25Now, wherever you think about those and when they fully stabilize and are generating ongoing NOI growth with those properties on a year-to-year basis, we expect to be anywhere between $0.10 and $0.12 of stabilized earn-ins growth, after considering what the cost of capital is running. That's kind of what we would see on a long-term basis. I'm talking specifically, when I say the $0.10 to $0.12, really our development lease up portfolio itself. Keep in mind there's some other things in that non same store pool that are stabilized properties, properties that haven't moved into the same store pool. When I mention the $0.10 to $0.12, it's kind of our current development lease up pipeline that's going to contribute another $0.10 to $0.12 on any given year. Operator00:43:24Our next question will come from the line of Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Please go ahead. Amy LoHead and CEO at UBS00:43:29Hi, this is Amy, I'm with Michael. We were wondering, was there any change in your fourth quarter forecast, or did the updated same store revenue guide mainly bake in just the softer third quarter? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:43:44Yeah, this Tim. We brought down, I mean, we adjusted the new lease rates for Q4 forecast based on what we saw in Q3. Actually brought up our renewal rates a little bit, but brought down the new lease rates. In terms of forecast, it's really carrying through the Q3 new lease rates. Those have more of an impact, obviously, but broadly just brought down the new lease rate run rate a little bit. Amy LoHead and CEO at UBS00:44:13Got it, thanks. Where do you ultimately see the balance between your large and mid tier market? Are there any other markets that you're targeting for acquisitions, and how do cap rates broadly across these markets compare with some of the larger markets? Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:44:30Tim, do you want to handle the performance between those two markets tonight? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:44:33Yeah, in terms of what we're seeing in the performance between the two, the mid tier markets broadly have done a little bit better and continue to do slightly better. I mentioned several of them in the prepared comments. We are starting to see that dynamic narrow a little bit as I mentioned with Dallas and Atlanta and some others, we're starting to see that performance narrow a bit and would expect that to continue to squeeze as we saw most of the supply over the last couple of years or more of the supply focused on some of those larger markets and some of those more urban submarkets. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:45:11In terms of where we're looking to deploy capital, I think it's both the large and mid tier markets. We like our current exposure between those markets where we are. I think we have 70% or so of our allocation to large markets and about 30% to the mid tier market. You'll see us continue to try to maintain that by deploying capital similar to that in the larger and mid tier markets. Clearly, as we talked about a moment ago, acquisitions, it's tough for us right now. Mainly focused on doing that through development. In terms of pricing differentials between those markets, really not much. We are really seeing similar cap rates for similar quality assets across those markets. Operator00:46:00Our next question will come from the line of Haendel St. Juste with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Haendel JusteManaging Director at Mizuho Securities00:46:06Hey there. Let's see what I got left here. Maybe one on you. I think you mentioned earlier that you're seeing new starts on a LTM basis now around 1.8% of stock, I think you mentioned, which is half a long term average. I'm curious how that figure is trending. It sounds like it's picking up from where we were earlier this year. I guess my question is what's your sense of private developers' ability to obtain financing, get underwriting, getting their underwriting to clear their hurdles, and if that's getting any better with the lower cost of debt we've seen here. Thanks. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:46:37Yeah. Hey Haendel, this is Brad. In terms of the trend of starts per quarter that we're seeing, that trend actually just continues to come down. The trailing 12 month starts in our region, as I mentioned, was 1.8%, which implies 45, 50 basis points, 45 basis points or so per quarter. Last quarter, third quarter, it was 0.2%. We're seeing that trend generally come down. I think that those numbers really track with the anecdotal evidence and information that we get from our partners, from the developers that we partner with. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:47:20What we continue to hear from them is it is getting more difficult to raise capital than it is. It's certainly not getting easier, it's getting more and more difficult. Even with the backdrop of interest rates coming down, we're certainly hearing some of the small developers, smaller developers are having trouble even getting bank financing at this point. The large developers can get bank financing, but they're having a hard time getting equity in the current environment. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:47:51Just based on the results that we're seeing on the deals, like the Scottsdale, Arizona project, the Richmond project we started last year, we continue to see opportunities for us to step into developments where someone bought the land, achieved entitlements, sometimes got plans but then could not get their financing lined up. We just continue to see more and more opportunities in that area. Some of those still don't underwrite for us, but some do. Broadly speaking, it seems like it's getting more difficult to put a shovel in the ground than it has been. Haendel JusteManaging Director at Mizuho Securities00:48:30Yeah, I appreciate the color there, Brad. One more, maybe just also a bit of a follow up from last quarter. I think you mentioned where you said you'd be willing to lean into debt a bit more given the lower cost, that you had about $1 billion of buying power with your leverage down around four times that EBITDA. I'm curious if that might be changing or evolving at all given the softer macro, the pricing that you're seeing out there. I don't think cap rates have budged at all really, and maybe other opportunities might be considered. I'm curious, that view on leaning into leverage to acquire assets, how that might be different today versus maybe 90 days ago. Thanks. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:49:12I think based on our current cost of capital, you generally won't see us buy much at this current pricing. The pricing that we would have to be able to achieve on an acquisition would have to be substantially different than it was just a few months ago. You probably won't see us lean into acquisitions in any way, shape, or form at the moment. I do think from a funding perspective, what you'll see us do is lean into debt funding for our development pipeline. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:49:49We'll continue to fund that as we talked about, generally through our commercial paper program. Once we get our debt to a certain level, we'll then look to go and issue bonds to clear that up. That's generally how we'll continue to look to finance the business. Right now at 4.2 times, we could continue to expand the balance sheet to somewhere in the 4.5%, 5% range, keep it in that range, and be completely fine with our credit rating agency. We'll continue to move forward with that type of strategy. Operator00:50:30Our next question will come from the line of Brad Heffern with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Brad HeffernDirector, REIT Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:50:36Yeah. Hi everybody. One of your peers talked on their call about how Sunbelt lease-ups are seeing challenges removing concessions when it comes time for the first renewal. Just curious if that's a dynamic that you've seen in your own lease-ups and is that a source of any broader pressure? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:50:51I mean, certainly when you start having those renewals turn, that is the most difficult part of the lease-up, where you're trying to keep the back door shut and have more people coming in the front door. We have seen that a little bit. I think more broadly we're just seeing the concession environment stay elevated, if you will, despite continuing increasing occupancy. I made this comment in my prepared comments that despite continuing increasing occupancy, we've seen five straight quarters where market level occupancy has increased in our markets. The concession environment stays pretty elevated and I think that just speaks to the uncertainty that is out there right now. It is impacting the lease-ups a little bit as well and driving that slower leasing velocity that we talked about. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:51:42Hey, Brad, this is Brad. Just one point that I would add with regard to our lease-ups, in terms of our renewals on our lease-ups, they're performing in line with our existing portfolio generally in terms of retention rates. The renewal rates that we've been able to get is about 11% in the third quarter on our lease-up property. We are getting really good traction there on the renewal side. I wouldn't think that the hangover of the concession side of things on our renewals has been impacting us, especially in the third quarter. Brad HeffernDirector, REIT Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:52:17Okay, thanks for that. Maybe I missed it, but can you give the current gain or loss to lease? Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:52:24Yeah, we're at a gain to lease of around 1% right now, which is not too unusual given this time of year. Operator00:52:36Our next question will come from the line of Connor Mitchell with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Connor MitchellResearch Analyst at Piper Sandler & Co.00:52:43Hey, morning. Thanks for taking my question. Appreciate all the commentary on the pricing in the markets. I guess we kind of would have thought that maybe the smaller markets would have been insulated from some of the pressure that the larger markets are facing, but it sounds like that's kind of dwindling on the other side of the equation. Could you just talk about what you're seeing in the, any differentiations between the demand factors for some of those mid tier markets versus the larger markets and how that's impacting performance? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:53:14Not really anything different. I mean, our strongest markets for several quarters now have been markets like Charleston and Greenville and Richmond, which, you know, still on a relative basis have gotten a fair amount of supply. There's huge demand drivers there as well. Some of our best job growth, I think Charleston right now is our best job growth market that we have. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:53:38There's still a ton of demand there even with the supply scenarios. We are, as I mentioned, I think we're starting to see, I don't think it's a lack of strength in the secondary or mid tier. It's more of some strengthening in some of the larger markets where they've started to work through some of those concessions. They started to get the net absorption and I think it's more a function of like a Dallas and Atlanta as I mentioned on the way up versus some of the mid tiers coming down. Connor MitchellResearch Analyst at Piper Sandler & Co.00:54:08Okay, that makes sense. Maybe following kind of the same line but again switching to the supply side, it does seem like the supply will be coming down compared to this year and past couple of years, but it's just kind of dragging out from what we expected earlier in the year. Even in the mid summer. Do you see kind of the extending of supply just dragging out having more of an impact on some of the larger markets than you expected earlier this year or just kind of what kind of supply pressure are you kind of expecting now versus earlier in the year, especially from the larger markets but overall as well? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:54:51Yeah, I mean on the supply side I don't think it's moved a ton in terms of our expectations of what that impact is going to be. I think some of the weakening we've seen in new lease pricing has been more a function of some of the job growth numbers and what we talked about before. A little bit weaker demand but certainly much stronger in our region of the country. The absorption continues to be great. We've had the last three or four quarters I mentioned of increasing occupancies in our markets. There's been about 300,000 apartments absorbed over the last five quarters in our markets, and that continues to hold up strong. Assuming demand kind of hangs in where it is now, we would expect this to continue to get better and strengthen particularly as we get to the spring and the summer of next year. Operator00:55:44Our next question will come from the line of Rich Hightower with Barclays. Please go ahead. Rich HightowerManaging Director, U.S. REIT Equity Research at Barclays00:55:49Hey, good morning guys. Covered a lot of ground so just one for me, but I'm going to go back to the stat on, I guess, all-time low move out for home purchases and, you know, I think we all understand the dynamic driving that. I guess in your opinion, is affordability the only gating factor to that number kind of moving up back towards historical averages going forward? It just sort of feels like there's this massive, massive pent up demand to buy houses, and so how would that affect your business? What are your thoughts? Thanks. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:56:23Rich, this is Brad. I mean, I think in general that's certainly a component, but I don't think that's the only component. I think if you look at the demographics of our renters, where they are, you know, 80% are single. If you look at the average income for us now, it is approaching $100,000 given where, you know, current home prices are. Yeah, I mean, there is definitely an affordability issue there. I think, you know, just given the demographics, we're seeing certainly more single-person households being formed, which definitely, I think, leans more into the rental market than it does the for-sale market. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA00:57:09There are demographic shifts. I think what folks are looking for, you know, one of the number one reasons why folks are renting is because they want a maintenance-free lifestyle, which you can't get in the single-family market, but you can in the most multifamily market. I think there are other things going on that are driving some of the retention rates. We've seen that trend declining for the last 10+ years. Certainly, it's as low as it is today, partly because of the single-family affordability, but there are other trends that were in place years ago that started that trend. I think it will continue to be in the ballpark of where it is today for the foreseeable future. All right, thanks very much. Operator00:57:58Our next question will come from the line of Wes Golladay with Baird. Please go ahead. Wes GolladaySenior Research Analyst at Baird00:58:03Hey, good morning everyone. I just want to see if there's any early indicators of a demand slowdown. Is your exposure in line with normal levels? You did call out Atlanta as having high absorption. Are there any markets that are having a deceleration in absorption? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:58:18Hey Wes, this is Tim. On your first question, exposure, we're at 6.1%, which is about 30 basis points lower than it was this time last year. As I mentioned, we're around 95.6% occupancy, which is a good 20 basis points or so higher than it was this time last year. I think as we head into the slower leasing season, we're certainly in good shape in terms of those metrics. No, broadly, there's not any markets where we're seeing a material slowdown in absorption, Q3 absorption wasn't quite as high as Q2, but Q2 is sort of a record of anything that we've ever seen. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA00:59:07We did still see market level occupancies from Q2 to Q3 moved up about 30 basis points. Outside of some of the weaker markets that are still below, Austin still at a 91%, 92% kind of level market wide, where we're much better than that. Including the entire market, Huntsville is one that, it's a smaller market, but it is at a record ton of supply there. That's another one that's struggling a little bit with absorption, but broadly continuing to see uptick in that absorption level and occupancy levels. Wes GolladaySenior Research Analyst at Baird00:59:42Okay, thank you. Operator00:59:46Our next question will come from the line of Linda Tsai with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Linda TsaiSenior Vice President at Jefferies00:59:50Hi, I'm [26] earn-ins being flat to slightly down. What was this like 90 days ago? From an internal reporting standpoint, how frequently do you update earn-in expectations? You always have a point-in-time metric available. Just wondering if this could change quickly as supply drops further in 2026. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:00:13We look at it typically when we look at our forecast and look at that every month and every quarter. It certainly came down a little bit just based on our new lease growth expectations. The way we look at earn-ins is just all the leases that we expect to be in place at December 31st sort of assume that rent roll carried through to next year. It is going to be dependent on where those new lease rates head. Right now that's kind of what we're thinking is that somewhere around flat for next year. Operator01:00:49Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Alex Kim with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Alex KimManaging Director at BMO Capital Markets01:00:58Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. Just a quick follow up on the retention question from Rich earlier and asked how do you think turnover should trend during the recovery portion of the cycle? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:01:09Right now we don't expect material changes in turnover. I mean, it's hard to believe it gets a lot lower from here, but I don't think there's a lot of signs pointing to it getting much higher either. I mean for all the reasons Brad talked about on single family homes, like that to move much, I mean job changes, job transfers are always our number one reason for turnover. If that starts to pick up, it's probably a sign that the economy is doing pretty well. Even though turnover could pick up a little bit in that scenario, it's probably good more broad and we're getting better rent growth as well. Nothing we see would suggest that turnover changes a lot from where it is right now. Operator01:02:04Our next question will come from the line of Ann Chan with Green Street. Please go ahead. Ann ChanAnalyst at Green Street01:02:08Hey, thanks for taking the question, just one for me. You noted earlier that migration and household formation trends should remain pretty stable in 2024 relative to what we see in 2025. Given that and following up on a comment from a few months ago, do you still anticipate new lease rate growth possibly turning positive by next summer, or is job growth enough of a wild card in 2026 that might cause a slower pace of supply absorption that might push out the new lease recovery timeline further? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:02:49As we said, we're not giving guidance for 2026. I do think if the demand side remains kind of where it is right now, where we're thinking that we expect to see continue or expect to see acceleration in new lease rates, it's difficult to know exactly where it's going to be several months from now. It's at least obviously the most volatile in terms of how your competitors are behaving and all that. Given what we know today with the demand trends, we know what supply is doing and we're in a great position in sort of all the other metrics. I would just leave it as we expect to see new lease rates to continue to get better on a year-over-year basis as they have this year. Operator01:03:34Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Omotayo Okusanya with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Omotayo OkusanyaManaging Director at Deutsche Bank01:03:43Hi. Yes, good morning everyone. While your markets generally are not, tend not to be prone to any kind of rent control type provisions. Just kind of curious as we're kind of going through the current election cycle, if there's anything on any ballot in any of the key states that you're kind of watching that could have implications for your operating performance going forward. Rob DelPrioreEVP, Chief Administrative Officer and General Counsel at MAA01:04:09It's Rob there. As we've talked about before and as you indicated, our markets, 90% of our NOI is in states that have a state-level prohibition preventing local governments from passing rent control rules. We're not really seeing anything on rent control in any of our markets that's going on. There are a few out there in the country, but there is also a lot of pushback really saying that rent control is not really the answer to the affordability issue. I think we're keeping an eye on it, but nothing that we're really concerned about right now. Omotayo OkusanyaManaging Director at Deutsche Bank01:04:49Thank you. Operator01:04:54Our final question will come from the line of [JP] Flankos with BNP. Please go ahead. Analyst at BNP Paribas01:05:00Hi, just one given the has been weaker appear to fall that have lower annual income relative to the private industry as a whole. Earlier you mentioned that the projection. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:05:17Hey JP, you're breaking up pretty bad. Maybe you can try again. We're having a hard time hearing you. No, not getting you. Are you on? Maybe try one more time. Analyst at BNP Paribas01:05:47Now? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:05:47And try repeating your question. JP FlankosAnalyst at BNP Paribas01:05:57Can you hear me? Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:05:59Yeah, you're kind of coming in and out. JP FlankosAnalyst at BNP Paribas01:06:03We'll just leave it there. Thanks. Tim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAA01:06:06Okay, we can follow up with you offline, JP. Operator01:06:11With that, I'll return the call back to MAA for any closing comments. Brad HillCEO, President and Director at MAA01:06:16All right, we appreciate everybody joining today, and we'll see you guys all in the upcoming conference. If you got any questions, don't hesitate to reach out. Thanks. Operator01:06:27This concludes today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect now at any time.Read moreParticipantsAnalystsAndrew SchaefferSVP, Treasurer and Director of Capital Markets at MAABrad HillCEO, President and Director at MAATim ArgoEVP, Chief Strategy and Analysis Officer at MAAClay HolderEVP and CFO at MAAEric WolfeManaging Partner at Citi ReearchJamie FeldmanHead of REIT Research at Wells FargoAdam KramerVP and Equity Research at Morgan StanleySteve SakwaSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISIJana GalanDirector at Bank of AmericaAustin WurschmidtSenior Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.Nicholas YulicoManaging Director, U.S. REIT Research at ScotiabankAmy LoHead and CEO at UBSHaendel JusteManaging Director at Mizuho SecuritiesBrad HeffernDirector, REIT Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital MarketsConnor MitchellResearch Analyst at Piper Sandler & Co.Rich HightowerManaging Director, U.S. REIT Equity Research at BarclaysWes GolladaySenior Research Analyst at BairdLinda TsaiSenior Vice President at JefferiesAlex KimManaging Director at BMO Capital MarketsAnn ChanAnalyst at Green StreetOmotayo OkusanyaManaging Director at Deutsche BankRob DelPrioreEVP, Chief Administrative Officer and General Counsel at MAAAnalyst at BNP ParibasJP FlankosAnalyst at BNP ParibasPowered by