NYSE:PINE Alpine Income Property Trust Q4 2024 Earnings Report $17.08 +0.10 (+0.56%) Closing price 09/25/2026 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$16.93 -0.15 (-0.85%) As of 09/25/2026 07:30 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Alpine Income Property Trust EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.44Consensus EPS $0.04Beat/MissBeat by +$0.40One Year Ago EPSN/AAlpine Income Property Trust Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$13.79 millionExpected Revenue$13.21 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$581.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AAlpine Income Property Trust Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date2/6/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateFriday, February 7, 2025Conference Call Time9:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsAlpine Income Property Trust's Q3 2026 earnings is estimated for Thursday, October 22, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled on Friday, October 23, 2026 at 9:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Alpine Income Property Trust Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 7, 2025ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways The company delivered AFFO of $1.74 per share in 2024, up 17%, and raised its quarterly dividend to $0.285 (annualized $1.14), marking annual increases since its 2019 IPO. In 2024 Alpine acquired 12 properties totaling $103.6 million at a weighted average cap rate of 8.2%, raising its portfolio WALT to 8.7 years and achieving 51% of ABR from investment-grade tenants. It originated three commercial loans worth $31.1 million at a 10.7% yield, completed $134.7 million of total investments at an 8.7% average yield, and sold $62 million of assets at a 6.9% cap rate to reinvest proceeds at a positive yield spread. A Party City lease in bankruptcy and a nonrenewed Cinemark theater lease in Reno are expected to create a short-term drag of about $0.08 per share on 2025 FFO/AFFO until those assets are leased or sold. For 2025 the company forecasts FFO/AFFO of $1.70–$1.73 per share, plans $50–80 million in acquisitions and $20–30 million in dispositions, and maintains strong liquidity with no debt maturities until 2026. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallAlpine Income Property Trust Q4 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Alpine Q4 Year-In 2024 earnings Conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during this session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising you your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, CFO Philip Mays. Please proceed. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:00:36Thank you. I would like to remind everyone that many of our comments today are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities law. The company's actual future results may differ significantly from the matters discussed in these forward-looking statements, and we undertake no duty to update these statements. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are disclosed from time to time in greater detail in the company's Form 10-K, Form 10-Q, and other SEC filings. You can find our SEC reports, earnings release, and most recent investor presentation, which contains reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures we use, on our website at www.alpinerethe.com. With that, I will turn the call over to John. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:01:21Thanks, Phil. The fourth quarter was a strong finish to an excellent 2024 for Pine, as we executed successfully on all areas of the business plan. Starting with earnings, we achieved AFFO of $1.74 per diluted share for the year, representing growth of 17%. This robust growth in earnings, along with free cash flow, permitted us to once again raise our common dividend to a new quarterly rate of $0.285 effective the first quarter of 2025. This new annualized dividend of $1.14 continues Pine's achievement of increasing its annual dividend each year since its IPO in November of 2019, while continuing to provide shareholders an attractive, well-covered dividend yield. Driving our earnings growth is a successful quarter and a year of investment activity. During the fourth quarter, we acquired six properties for $50.5 million at a weighted average cash cap rate of 7.6%. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:02:20This brings our full year acquisition activity to 12 properties for $103.6 million at a weighted average cash cap rate of 8.2%. Our 2024 acquisitions included investment-grade rated Best Buy, Dick's Sporting Goods, and Lowe's, along with three beachfront restaurants, increasing our WALT to 8.7 years from seven years at the beginning of the year. Further, we ended the year with 51% of our ABR attributable to investment-grade rated tenants. Supplementing our 2024 property acquisitions, we originated three commercial loans during the year for $31.1 million at a weighted average yield of 10.7%. Taking loan originations and property acquisitions together, we successfully completed $134.7 million of total investments during 2024 at an average yield of 8.7%. Additionally, during the year, we successfully pruned our portfolio, selling $62 million of property at an average cap rate of 6.9%. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:03:24These dispositions reflected a strategic effort to improve the diversification of our cash flow and reduce risk and included three Walgreens, moving Walgreens from our largest tenant in terms of ABR to our fourth-largest tenant. Notably, triple B rated Dick's Sporting Goods and triple B plus rated Lowe's are now our two largest tenants, each representing 10% of ABR. Additionally, we were able to reinvest net proceeds from these dispositions into new acquisitions at a positive yield spread. As we look to 2025, we continue our investment strategy, employing a barbell approach with regards to property acquisitions. On one side, we will invest in investment-grade rated tenants to provide consistent and stable cash flows, while on the other side, we will seek higher yielding opportunities to provide growth and diversification. Additionally, we will continue to augment and complement our property investments by selectively originating commercial loans. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:04:25Phil will discuss the 2025 earnings guidance, but I do want to make note of a couple of related items. First, as you are aware, Party City filed for bankruptcy. PINE does have one Party City lease in its portfolio. This lease is for a property located in Oceanside, New York, on Long Island. The densely populated and desirable location of this property will provide us with multiple alternatives to release or sell it. Second, in late 2024, Cinemark did not renew its lease for our theater in Reno. We are anticipating that this and had this property under contract to be sold. However, the buyer had an unanticipated event that prevented closing. Accordingly, we are now focused on selling this asset and redeploying the capital. These two matters will be short-term earnings headwinds until lease are sold and the proceeds redeployed. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:05:19As we look ahead, we see an active and attractive pipeline of opportunities across the tenant landscape and remain focused on executing our strategy to deliver for PINE investors. With that, I'll turn the call over to Phil. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:05:33Thanks, John. Beginning with financial results, total revenue was $13.8 million for the quarter, including lease income of $11.5 million and interest income from commercial loans of $2.2 million. FFO and AFFO for the quarter were both $0.44 per diluted share, representing growth of 19% and 16% respectively over the comparable quarter of the prior year. For the full year, total revenue was $52.2 million, including lease income of $46 million and interest income from commercial loans of $5.8 million. FFO for the year was $1.73 per diluted share, representing 18% growth over the prior year, and AFFO was $1.74 per diluted share, representing 17% growth over the prior year. Driving this earnings growth for the quarter and the year was the investment activity John discussed, along with prudent and disciplined capital management. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:06:29During the fourth quarter, we issued approximately 436,000 common shares under our ATM program at a weighted average price of $17.98 per share, generating $7.7 million in net proceeds. For the full year of 2024, we issued 1.1 million common shares under our ATM program at a weighted average price per share of $18.04, generating $18.8 million in net proceeds. Notably, and of equal importance, during 2023 and into the first quarter of 2024, the company opportunistically repurchased 0.9 million common shares for $15.4 million at an average price of $16.26, which is $1.78 below our weighted average issuance price in 2024. Our 2024 ATM activity and net issuance of over 1 million shares allowed us to both grow and reduce leverage. Specifically, we ended the year with net debt to EBITDA of 7.4x compared to 7.7x at the beginning of the year. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:07:33As a reminder, we have no debt maturing until 2026, after which our debt maturities are well staggered, and we have utilized SOFR rate swaps to fix interest rates on over 80% of our debt, resulting in a weighted average interest rate of 4.1% at year-end. Further, we had $95 million of liquidity, consisting of approximately $5 million of available cash and $90 million available under our revolving credit facility. In addition, with current in-place commitments, the available capacity of our revolving credit facility can expand an additional $50 million as we acquire properties, providing total potential liquidity of approximately $150 million. During the fourth quarter, we paid a quarterly cash dividend of $0.28 per common share to our stockholders of record on December 12, 2024. This represents a healthy AFFO payout ratio of 64%. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:08:29As discussed earlier, our board of directors recently approved increasing our quarterly dividend to $0.285 effective in the first quarter of 2025. After this increase, our dividend remains well covered and supported by free cash flow. Finally, turning to guidance for 2025, our initial earning guidance for the full year of 2025 is a range per diluted share of $1.70-$1.73 for both FFO and AFFO. Key assumptions reflected in our initial guidance include investment volume of $50 million-$80 million, dispositions of $20 million-$30 million, and weighted average shares outstanding of 16 million-16.5 million. With regards to Party City bankruptcy and the vacant theater in Reno, our guidance at this time assumes they will impact 2025 FFO and AFFO per share by approximately $0.08. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:09:24However, if there is an assumption of the Party City lease and we timely execute on planned property acquisitions and loan originations, we could be on the high end of our range or exceed it. One last note, the annual run rate for our external management fee is now $4.5 million, reflecting the full impact of the $7.7 million of net equity proceeds raised in the fourth quarter. With that, operator, please open the line for questions. Operator00:09:49Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. One moment while we compile our Q&A roster. Our first question is going to come from the line of Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Kathryn GravesEquity Research Scientific Associate at UBS00:10:13Great. This is Catherine Graves on for Michael Goldsmith. Thank you for taking my question. My first is you decreased your Walgreens exposure in the quarter. Should we expect a further paring down of this tenant type and, in general, what's a comfortable level of exposure for you there? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:10:30Yeah, thanks. We have another one kind of in the pipeline to sell as far as negotiations, but we're really kind of trying to time it with acquisitions. These properties are, even though it's a challenge sort of credit and story, there is a market for these, so we're trying to pair them up with acquisitions. There'll probably be another one coming out possibly in the quarter. Kathryn GravesEquity Research Scientific Associate at UBS00:11:00Got it. Thank you. My second question, within your investment outlook for 2025, can you provide any color on maybe your appetite for acquisitions versus construction loans? What would make you more constructive on one lever versus the other in 2025? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:11:16Yeah. As I've talked before in the past, we really like some of the loan opportunities we see because you're really getting an enhanced credit. For instance, the Publix-anchored sort of outparcel developments with a buffer of equity beneath you as a developer has a lot of equity in the projects. The LTVs are certainly obviously lower than if you went out and bought these assets. Of course, the yields are higher than owning them. We really like the opportunity as the capital markets are still constrained for developers. I would say that we are seeing a very active pipeline on both the loan side as well as the acquisitions, the more of the core acquisition side. We are seeing robust sort of opportunities on both sides. I could see us kind of being 50/50 on that sort of investment program. Kathryn GravesEquity Research Scientific Associate at UBS00:12:19Got it. Thanks so much. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:12:21Thank you. Operator00:12:22Thank you. One moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Guha Mehta with Alliance Global Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Gaurav MehtaManaging Director, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Alliance Global Partners00:12:34Yeah. Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to follow up on the commercial loan opportunity. You have four commercial loans maturing in 2025, and I wanted to ask you what your expectations were. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:12:50Yeah. We do have four maturing. I think one will actually probably pay off. Three will probably extend. We do not think there will be any problem, as John talked about, with our robust pipeline of loans here replacing the one of them that will likely pay off. They will likely pay off mid-year, and we are pretty confident we will replace that. Do not expect the balance to come down. Expect it to kind of stay where it is at and maybe grow towards the latter part of the year. Gaurav MehtaManaging Director, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Alliance Global Partners00:13:19Okay. Second question on the acquisition disposition guidance, can you provide some color on the expected timing on when you guys are planning to sell and acquire properties in the year? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:13:34On selling which properties? Gaurav MehtaManaging Director, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Alliance Global Partners00:13:35Buying. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:13:36On acquisition. I think the pipeline is probably the strongest we've seen this time of year in the five years we've been doing this. We are pretty optimistic. As you know, the deals could fall through, but I would expect more of the activity to happen at the end of the first quarter. Gaurav MehtaManaging Director, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Alliance Global Partners00:14:03Okay. Thank you. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:14:04Thank you. Operator00:14:06Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question is going to come from the line of Rob Stevenson with Janney Montgomery Scott. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Rob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott00:14:18Good morning, guys. John, are the Beachside Group assets back to their full capacity after the storm damage, and is their revenue back to where you guys underwrote it at the initial deal? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:14:31Yeah. We were actually out there last week, and they are all open and performing, and some are performing better than pre-hurricane with new equipment, more efficient kitchens as they had the opportunity to reconfigure where they wanted to. I would say the sandbar isn't at max capacity yet as they do a lot of weddings and so forth, but we are just now getting into season. Everything is trending to either the same or better than pre-hurricane. Unfortunately, for the market, some of the competition has not come back online. They are kind of the only game in town. They are pretty excited about their positioning. Rob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott00:15:24All right. They had insurance, business interruption insurance, to be able to pay you for anything that is missing at this point, right? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:15:31Correct. Rob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott00:15:32Okay. You and Phil talked about the Party City and the Cinemark. Beyond those two assets, are there any other locations that you expect to be vacant at some point in 2025 or early 2026 at this point? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:15:48No. We're being proactive on things that are kind of the watch list sort of tenants, for instance, At Home. We're very active in discussing about selling a couple of those. The theater deal, obviously, last fall, we had it under contract, and unfortunately, there was a health issue with the buyer. That really kind of messed up our plans. That should have been sold last year. We had to restart with that. We do have active offers on both the Party City and the theater. We're trying to get the best price possible, but we certainly will see the benefits if we decide to sell it earlier and have that capital put into production by either paying down the debt or making an acquisition or investment. We clearly see the benefits of monetizing those sooner rather than later. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:16:49We may do that. Rob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott00:16:50Okay. You mentioned At Home. That was my last question. You talked earlier about there being a market for Walgreens today. Is there really a market for At Home assets these days given their size and their credit rating? Is that something that you'll look to match any dispositions there to acquisitions as well? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:17:10Yeah. I mean, we'll go ahead and we won't sort of, because they are a little bit lumpier, we won't match it up with acquisitions. The buyer is ready to buy it, then we'll move through the process with them. The reason there's more activity on them than you may think because of the size, as you mentioned, is that, remember, these are on large parcels with a lot of parking and a large configuration at a very low basis, and you just can't find that anymore. I mean, redevelopment of any of this sort of product is closer to $300 a sq ft these days with land. These are unique opportunities for investors, developers, tenants, and people understand that. Rob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott00:18:00Okay. I guess one last question for Phil. You gave guidance in terms of the numbers and the investments and dispositions. In terms of the income statement, anything in 2025 looking to be either abnormally high line items, abnormally high or low, excluding revenue and interest expense, depending on what you guys do from a buy and sell and financing standpoint? Anything in G&A or anything that's going to wind up being otherwise lumpy or extraordinary that you're anticipating in 2025? Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:18:34No. I imagine most things will be a pretty even run rate quarterly over the year. Nothing lumpy in G&A. As I noted, our management fee, given the effect to all the equity that went out the door in the fourth quarter, is now four and a half on an annual basis. That assumes we don't issue any more equity, but that's the current run rate. I think most things will be generally an even run rate over the year. It just absent the timing of acquisitions and dispositions, no unusual one-time fees or kind of lumpy things that you need to worry about. Rob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott00:19:07Okay. Thanks, guys. Have a great weekend. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:19:09Thanks. You too. Operator00:19:11Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Erdner with Jones Trading. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Matthew ErdnerDirector, Specialty Finance and Real Estate Equity Research at Jones Trading00:19:21Hey. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I'd like to talk about cap rates a little bit and kind of where pricing is there right now, given the higher for longer outlook. It seems like pricing has held pretty steady over the past couple of quarters. When you strip out the loans, what is your going-in cap rate on these acquisitions for kind of the past couple of quarters? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:19:44It's basically averaging out close to the 8% cap rate range. As you saw us in the last in the fourth quarter, we did dive down for quality where we picked up a Lowe's to really show the market that we're the only net lease REIT with a Dick's or a Lowe's in the top five, maybe even the top 10 credit. Trying to show the market that if you want sort of a diversification of investment, we're really the only sort of net lease REIT that you can kind of get exposure to different credits. Everyone else seems to have the same sort of credit profiles. Really striving to get that story told. In general, besides diving down and picking up a quality Lowe's with a long duration, we're kind of trending to the 8% cap range. Matthew ErdnerDirector, Specialty Finance and Real Estate Equity Research at Jones Trading00:20:41Gotcha. That's helpful. Because you guys didn't provide any guidance there, should we expect kind of the same plan in 2025, strong credit, and then the loans, obviously, to boost the yield there? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:20:53Yeah. Absolutely. I think hopefully some of these deals happen, and I think you'll be impressed with the quality and the yield. Matthew ErdnerDirector, Specialty Finance and Real Estate Equity Research at Jones Trading00:21:03Awesome. Great. Thank you, guys. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:21:06Thank you. Operator00:21:07Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Alec Fegan with Bayer. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Alec FeganAnalyst at Bayer00:21:18Hi. Good morning, and thank you for taking my question. You have already mentioned with the Party City and the Cinemark that you have offers potentially. Are you planning on selling them or releasing them? Could you potentially talk about the impact on valuation? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:21:36Yeah. We have leasing opportunity as well. Certainly, the best-best execution would be to lease and then sell. That would take the whole year, really, to have that execution. Realizing how finicky the investor market is as far as stock investors feel, having the money and redeploying earlier is probably going to be more prudent and pay off for our shareholders. That is kind of so we do have optionality on both, whether we lease and hold or sell, but we're tending to gravitate towards the monetization. Alec FeganAnalyst at Bayer00:22:18With the buyers that pulled out because of health issues, was there any sort of termination income or one-time income that we should expect from that? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:22:27We got a little bit, but we really could have taken more, but we obviously felt bad about the circumstances and released some escrow back that we did not need to. Given the extreme nature of the health issue, we did that. Alec FeganAnalyst at Bayer00:22:46All right. Thank you. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:22:49Thank you. Operator00:22:50Thank you. One moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of John Massocca with B. Riley Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead. John MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:23:01Good morning. Maybe digging in a little bit more on the acquisition guidance. I mean, how much of that is stuff you kind of visibly see in the pipeline today or is under kind of LOI, and how much is theoretical? I am just kind of asking that in the context of $80 million at the top end of the range is significantly less than you did last year, but you kind of were saying you felt the pipeline was stronger than it had been at any other point during this time of the year. Just kind of trying to circle that square, if you will. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:23:31Yeah. No, that's a good point. Because these investments are fairly lumpy, we are negotiating with a fair amount of the pipeline, but you just never know what's going to happen. On the theoretical, it's more we have identified assets that we're pursuing, but we don't know whether we'll win them at the yields that work for us. I would say it's what we have that we're negotiating, where terms have been really agreed upon, is a fair amount of the guidance. John MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:24:11Okay. That's helpful. In terms of yields on those investments, I mean, is it going to be comparative to last year? I mean, has the cap rate market moved at all given some of the volatility in interest rates or macro uncertainty? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:24:26I would say that the yields on the structured finance investments have maybe come down slightly. The yields on the acquisitions have either been steady from what you've seen in the past or maybe even come up a little bit as far as higher yield. John MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:24:46Okay. On guidance again, any credit loss kind of baked into that number beyond the two vacancies you called out specifically? Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:24:58Yeah. I mean, we always keep a small general reserve in the forecast, but we don't see anything large that's looming right now. John MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:25:08Okay. Last kind of detail one for you, Phil. Real estate expense kicked up a little bit quarter-over-quarter. Was that just reflecting the situation in Reno, or was there something else going on there? Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:25:22Yep. The Reno lease expired in November, and it kind of kicked up primarily due to that. John MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:25:29Okay. That's it for me. Thank you very much. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:25:33Thank you. Operator00:25:34Thank you. One moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question is going to come from the line of Craig Kucera with Lucid Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Craig KuceraManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets00:25:46Yeah. Thanks. Good morning, guys. Phil, about half of the revolver balance now is floating. Are you contemplating any swaps there, or are you likely to keep that floating? Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:25:57Yeah. It is about $100 million outstanding on the revolver. As you mentioned, half is swapped and $50 million is not swapped. We might consider if the balance starts to get up a little higher. It just kind of depends on how the timing of acquisitions and dispositions lay out. We want to always have some flexibility there, Craig, to be able to pay down the line rate. When it is swapped, then you are just sitting on the cash earning nothing. If it continues to get up a little higher, we will probably look at swapping. We may opportunistically do it, right? If there is a dip in rates, we might consider doing it a little earlier. Craig KuceraManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets00:26:36Got it. Just one more for me. I guess you guys have had a really good track record of getting a positive cap rate spread on your acquisitions and dispositions. Is that still anticipated this year, or does the fact that some of the assets you're looking to sell might need to be leased up to kind of maximize the value? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:26:53Yeah. I mean, there's definitely going to be some assets like the Walgreens and maybe At Home that will be at yields that are the same or higher than what we're acquiring. You won't see that accretive recycling. With regards to Party City and the theater, I mean, those are a fairly chunky amount of money for our small company that's obviously earning negative that once we get that redeployed, will be very accretive. John MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:27:25Okay. Great. Thanks. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:27:27Thank you. Operator00:27:28Thank you. This is going to conclude our question and answer session. Ladies and gentlemen, this is also going to conclude today's conference call. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesPhilip MaysCFOJohn AlbrightPresident and CEOAnalystsKathryn GravesEquity Research Scientific Associate at UBSGaurav MehtaManaging Director, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Alliance Global PartnersRob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery ScottMatthew ErdnerDirector, Specialty Finance and Real Estate Equity Research at Jones TradingAlec FeganAnalyst at BayerJohn MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. 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Email Address About Alpine Income Property TrustAlpine Income Property Trust (NYSE:PINE) is a real estate investment trust (REIT) that acquires, owns and operates a portfolio of income-producing commercial properties. The company primarily invests in single-tenant retail and office properties that are generally leased under long-term net lease agreements, under which tenants typically assume responsibility for property taxes, insurance and maintenance expenses. Alpine’s properties are located across the United States and are leased to a range of national, regional and local tenants. Its portfolio strategy is focused on generating rental income through properties in established markets and on working with tenants that support the stability of its long-term lease portfolio. Alpine Income Property Trust was formed in 2019 and is externally managed by CTO Realty Growth, Inc., another publicly traded real estate company. The trust is led by John P. Albright, who also serves as president and chief executive officer of CTO Realty Growth. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Alpine Q4 Year-In 2024 earnings Conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during this session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising you your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, CFO Philip Mays. Please proceed. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:00:36Thank you. I would like to remind everyone that many of our comments today are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities law. The company's actual future results may differ significantly from the matters discussed in these forward-looking statements, and we undertake no duty to update these statements. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are disclosed from time to time in greater detail in the company's Form 10-K, Form 10-Q, and other SEC filings. You can find our SEC reports, earnings release, and most recent investor presentation, which contains reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures we use, on our website at www.alpinerethe.com. With that, I will turn the call over to John. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:01:21Thanks, Phil. The fourth quarter was a strong finish to an excellent 2024 for Pine, as we executed successfully on all areas of the business plan. Starting with earnings, we achieved AFFO of $1.74 per diluted share for the year, representing growth of 17%. This robust growth in earnings, along with free cash flow, permitted us to once again raise our common dividend to a new quarterly rate of $0.285 effective the first quarter of 2025. This new annualized dividend of $1.14 continues Pine's achievement of increasing its annual dividend each year since its IPO in November of 2019, while continuing to provide shareholders an attractive, well-covered dividend yield. Driving our earnings growth is a successful quarter and a year of investment activity. During the fourth quarter, we acquired six properties for $50.5 million at a weighted average cash cap rate of 7.6%. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:02:20This brings our full year acquisition activity to 12 properties for $103.6 million at a weighted average cash cap rate of 8.2%. Our 2024 acquisitions included investment-grade rated Best Buy, Dick's Sporting Goods, and Lowe's, along with three beachfront restaurants, increasing our WALT to 8.7 years from seven years at the beginning of the year. Further, we ended the year with 51% of our ABR attributable to investment-grade rated tenants. Supplementing our 2024 property acquisitions, we originated three commercial loans during the year for $31.1 million at a weighted average yield of 10.7%. Taking loan originations and property acquisitions together, we successfully completed $134.7 million of total investments during 2024 at an average yield of 8.7%. Additionally, during the year, we successfully pruned our portfolio, selling $62 million of property at an average cap rate of 6.9%. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:03:24These dispositions reflected a strategic effort to improve the diversification of our cash flow and reduce risk and included three Walgreens, moving Walgreens from our largest tenant in terms of ABR to our fourth-largest tenant. Notably, triple B rated Dick's Sporting Goods and triple B plus rated Lowe's are now our two largest tenants, each representing 10% of ABR. Additionally, we were able to reinvest net proceeds from these dispositions into new acquisitions at a positive yield spread. As we look to 2025, we continue our investment strategy, employing a barbell approach with regards to property acquisitions. On one side, we will invest in investment-grade rated tenants to provide consistent and stable cash flows, while on the other side, we will seek higher yielding opportunities to provide growth and diversification. Additionally, we will continue to augment and complement our property investments by selectively originating commercial loans. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:04:25Phil will discuss the 2025 earnings guidance, but I do want to make note of a couple of related items. First, as you are aware, Party City filed for bankruptcy. PINE does have one Party City lease in its portfolio. This lease is for a property located in Oceanside, New York, on Long Island. The densely populated and desirable location of this property will provide us with multiple alternatives to release or sell it. Second, in late 2024, Cinemark did not renew its lease for our theater in Reno. We are anticipating that this and had this property under contract to be sold. However, the buyer had an unanticipated event that prevented closing. Accordingly, we are now focused on selling this asset and redeploying the capital. These two matters will be short-term earnings headwinds until lease are sold and the proceeds redeployed. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:05:19As we look ahead, we see an active and attractive pipeline of opportunities across the tenant landscape and remain focused on executing our strategy to deliver for PINE investors. With that, I'll turn the call over to Phil. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:05:33Thanks, John. Beginning with financial results, total revenue was $13.8 million for the quarter, including lease income of $11.5 million and interest income from commercial loans of $2.2 million. FFO and AFFO for the quarter were both $0.44 per diluted share, representing growth of 19% and 16% respectively over the comparable quarter of the prior year. For the full year, total revenue was $52.2 million, including lease income of $46 million and interest income from commercial loans of $5.8 million. FFO for the year was $1.73 per diluted share, representing 18% growth over the prior year, and AFFO was $1.74 per diluted share, representing 17% growth over the prior year. Driving this earnings growth for the quarter and the year was the investment activity John discussed, along with prudent and disciplined capital management. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:06:29During the fourth quarter, we issued approximately 436,000 common shares under our ATM program at a weighted average price of $17.98 per share, generating $7.7 million in net proceeds. For the full year of 2024, we issued 1.1 million common shares under our ATM program at a weighted average price per share of $18.04, generating $18.8 million in net proceeds. Notably, and of equal importance, during 2023 and into the first quarter of 2024, the company opportunistically repurchased 0.9 million common shares for $15.4 million at an average price of $16.26, which is $1.78 below our weighted average issuance price in 2024. Our 2024 ATM activity and net issuance of over 1 million shares allowed us to both grow and reduce leverage. Specifically, we ended the year with net debt to EBITDA of 7.4x compared to 7.7x at the beginning of the year. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:07:33As a reminder, we have no debt maturing until 2026, after which our debt maturities are well staggered, and we have utilized SOFR rate swaps to fix interest rates on over 80% of our debt, resulting in a weighted average interest rate of 4.1% at year-end. Further, we had $95 million of liquidity, consisting of approximately $5 million of available cash and $90 million available under our revolving credit facility. In addition, with current in-place commitments, the available capacity of our revolving credit facility can expand an additional $50 million as we acquire properties, providing total potential liquidity of approximately $150 million. During the fourth quarter, we paid a quarterly cash dividend of $0.28 per common share to our stockholders of record on December 12, 2024. This represents a healthy AFFO payout ratio of 64%. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:08:29As discussed earlier, our board of directors recently approved increasing our quarterly dividend to $0.285 effective in the first quarter of 2025. After this increase, our dividend remains well covered and supported by free cash flow. Finally, turning to guidance for 2025, our initial earning guidance for the full year of 2025 is a range per diluted share of $1.70-$1.73 for both FFO and AFFO. Key assumptions reflected in our initial guidance include investment volume of $50 million-$80 million, dispositions of $20 million-$30 million, and weighted average shares outstanding of 16 million-16.5 million. With regards to Party City bankruptcy and the vacant theater in Reno, our guidance at this time assumes they will impact 2025 FFO and AFFO per share by approximately $0.08. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:09:24However, if there is an assumption of the Party City lease and we timely execute on planned property acquisitions and loan originations, we could be on the high end of our range or exceed it. One last note, the annual run rate for our external management fee is now $4.5 million, reflecting the full impact of the $7.7 million of net equity proceeds raised in the fourth quarter. With that, operator, please open the line for questions. Operator00:09:49Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. One moment while we compile our Q&A roster. Our first question is going to come from the line of Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Kathryn GravesEquity Research Scientific Associate at UBS00:10:13Great. This is Catherine Graves on for Michael Goldsmith. Thank you for taking my question. My first is you decreased your Walgreens exposure in the quarter. Should we expect a further paring down of this tenant type and, in general, what's a comfortable level of exposure for you there? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:10:30Yeah, thanks. We have another one kind of in the pipeline to sell as far as negotiations, but we're really kind of trying to time it with acquisitions. These properties are, even though it's a challenge sort of credit and story, there is a market for these, so we're trying to pair them up with acquisitions. There'll probably be another one coming out possibly in the quarter. Kathryn GravesEquity Research Scientific Associate at UBS00:11:00Got it. Thank you. My second question, within your investment outlook for 2025, can you provide any color on maybe your appetite for acquisitions versus construction loans? What would make you more constructive on one lever versus the other in 2025? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:11:16Yeah. As I've talked before in the past, we really like some of the loan opportunities we see because you're really getting an enhanced credit. For instance, the Publix-anchored sort of outparcel developments with a buffer of equity beneath you as a developer has a lot of equity in the projects. The LTVs are certainly obviously lower than if you went out and bought these assets. Of course, the yields are higher than owning them. We really like the opportunity as the capital markets are still constrained for developers. I would say that we are seeing a very active pipeline on both the loan side as well as the acquisitions, the more of the core acquisition side. We are seeing robust sort of opportunities on both sides. I could see us kind of being 50/50 on that sort of investment program. Kathryn GravesEquity Research Scientific Associate at UBS00:12:19Got it. Thanks so much. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:12:21Thank you. Operator00:12:22Thank you. One moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Guha Mehta with Alliance Global Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Gaurav MehtaManaging Director, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Alliance Global Partners00:12:34Yeah. Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to follow up on the commercial loan opportunity. You have four commercial loans maturing in 2025, and I wanted to ask you what your expectations were. Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:12:50Yeah. We do have four maturing. I think one will actually probably pay off. Three will probably extend. We do not think there will be any problem, as John talked about, with our robust pipeline of loans here replacing the one of them that will likely pay off. They will likely pay off mid-year, and we are pretty confident we will replace that. Do not expect the balance to come down. Expect it to kind of stay where it is at and maybe grow towards the latter part of the year. Gaurav MehtaManaging Director, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Alliance Global Partners00:13:19Okay. Second question on the acquisition disposition guidance, can you provide some color on the expected timing on when you guys are planning to sell and acquire properties in the year? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:13:34On selling which properties? Gaurav MehtaManaging Director, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Alliance Global Partners00:13:35Buying. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:13:36On acquisition. I think the pipeline is probably the strongest we've seen this time of year in the five years we've been doing this. We are pretty optimistic. As you know, the deals could fall through, but I would expect more of the activity to happen at the end of the first quarter. Gaurav MehtaManaging Director, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Alliance Global Partners00:14:03Okay. Thank you. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:14:04Thank you. Operator00:14:06Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question is going to come from the line of Rob Stevenson with Janney Montgomery Scott. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Rob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott00:14:18Good morning, guys. John, are the Beachside Group assets back to their full capacity after the storm damage, and is their revenue back to where you guys underwrote it at the initial deal? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:14:31Yeah. We were actually out there last week, and they are all open and performing, and some are performing better than pre-hurricane with new equipment, more efficient kitchens as they had the opportunity to reconfigure where they wanted to. I would say the sandbar isn't at max capacity yet as they do a lot of weddings and so forth, but we are just now getting into season. Everything is trending to either the same or better than pre-hurricane. Unfortunately, for the market, some of the competition has not come back online. They are kind of the only game in town. They are pretty excited about their positioning. Rob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott00:15:24All right. They had insurance, business interruption insurance, to be able to pay you for anything that is missing at this point, right? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:15:31Correct. Rob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott00:15:32Okay. You and Phil talked about the Party City and the Cinemark. Beyond those two assets, are there any other locations that you expect to be vacant at some point in 2025 or early 2026 at this point? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:15:48No. We're being proactive on things that are kind of the watch list sort of tenants, for instance, At Home. We're very active in discussing about selling a couple of those. The theater deal, obviously, last fall, we had it under contract, and unfortunately, there was a health issue with the buyer. That really kind of messed up our plans. That should have been sold last year. We had to restart with that. We do have active offers on both the Party City and the theater. We're trying to get the best price possible, but we certainly will see the benefits if we decide to sell it earlier and have that capital put into production by either paying down the debt or making an acquisition or investment. We clearly see the benefits of monetizing those sooner rather than later. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:16:49We may do that. Rob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott00:16:50Okay. You mentioned At Home. That was my last question. You talked earlier about there being a market for Walgreens today. Is there really a market for At Home assets these days given their size and their credit rating? Is that something that you'll look to match any dispositions there to acquisitions as well? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:17:10Yeah. I mean, we'll go ahead and we won't sort of, because they are a little bit lumpier, we won't match it up with acquisitions. The buyer is ready to buy it, then we'll move through the process with them. The reason there's more activity on them than you may think because of the size, as you mentioned, is that, remember, these are on large parcels with a lot of parking and a large configuration at a very low basis, and you just can't find that anymore. I mean, redevelopment of any of this sort of product is closer to $300 a sq ft these days with land. These are unique opportunities for investors, developers, tenants, and people understand that. Rob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott00:18:00Okay. I guess one last question for Phil. You gave guidance in terms of the numbers and the investments and dispositions. In terms of the income statement, anything in 2025 looking to be either abnormally high line items, abnormally high or low, excluding revenue and interest expense, depending on what you guys do from a buy and sell and financing standpoint? Anything in G&A or anything that's going to wind up being otherwise lumpy or extraordinary that you're anticipating in 2025? Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:18:34No. I imagine most things will be a pretty even run rate quarterly over the year. Nothing lumpy in G&A. As I noted, our management fee, given the effect to all the equity that went out the door in the fourth quarter, is now four and a half on an annual basis. That assumes we don't issue any more equity, but that's the current run rate. I think most things will be generally an even run rate over the year. It just absent the timing of acquisitions and dispositions, no unusual one-time fees or kind of lumpy things that you need to worry about. Rob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott00:19:07Okay. Thanks, guys. Have a great weekend. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:19:09Thanks. You too. Operator00:19:11Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Erdner with Jones Trading. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Matthew ErdnerDirector, Specialty Finance and Real Estate Equity Research at Jones Trading00:19:21Hey. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I'd like to talk about cap rates a little bit and kind of where pricing is there right now, given the higher for longer outlook. It seems like pricing has held pretty steady over the past couple of quarters. When you strip out the loans, what is your going-in cap rate on these acquisitions for kind of the past couple of quarters? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:19:44It's basically averaging out close to the 8% cap rate range. As you saw us in the last in the fourth quarter, we did dive down for quality where we picked up a Lowe's to really show the market that we're the only net lease REIT with a Dick's or a Lowe's in the top five, maybe even the top 10 credit. Trying to show the market that if you want sort of a diversification of investment, we're really the only sort of net lease REIT that you can kind of get exposure to different credits. Everyone else seems to have the same sort of credit profiles. Really striving to get that story told. In general, besides diving down and picking up a quality Lowe's with a long duration, we're kind of trending to the 8% cap range. Matthew ErdnerDirector, Specialty Finance and Real Estate Equity Research at Jones Trading00:20:41Gotcha. That's helpful. Because you guys didn't provide any guidance there, should we expect kind of the same plan in 2025, strong credit, and then the loans, obviously, to boost the yield there? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:20:53Yeah. Absolutely. I think hopefully some of these deals happen, and I think you'll be impressed with the quality and the yield. Matthew ErdnerDirector, Specialty Finance and Real Estate Equity Research at Jones Trading00:21:03Awesome. Great. Thank you, guys. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:21:06Thank you. Operator00:21:07Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Alec Fegan with Bayer. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Alec FeganAnalyst at Bayer00:21:18Hi. Good morning, and thank you for taking my question. You have already mentioned with the Party City and the Cinemark that you have offers potentially. Are you planning on selling them or releasing them? Could you potentially talk about the impact on valuation? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:21:36Yeah. We have leasing opportunity as well. Certainly, the best-best execution would be to lease and then sell. That would take the whole year, really, to have that execution. Realizing how finicky the investor market is as far as stock investors feel, having the money and redeploying earlier is probably going to be more prudent and pay off for our shareholders. That is kind of so we do have optionality on both, whether we lease and hold or sell, but we're tending to gravitate towards the monetization. Alec FeganAnalyst at Bayer00:22:18With the buyers that pulled out because of health issues, was there any sort of termination income or one-time income that we should expect from that? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:22:27We got a little bit, but we really could have taken more, but we obviously felt bad about the circumstances and released some escrow back that we did not need to. Given the extreme nature of the health issue, we did that. Alec FeganAnalyst at Bayer00:22:46All right. Thank you. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:22:49Thank you. Operator00:22:50Thank you. One moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of John Massocca with B. Riley Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead. John MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:23:01Good morning. Maybe digging in a little bit more on the acquisition guidance. I mean, how much of that is stuff you kind of visibly see in the pipeline today or is under kind of LOI, and how much is theoretical? I am just kind of asking that in the context of $80 million at the top end of the range is significantly less than you did last year, but you kind of were saying you felt the pipeline was stronger than it had been at any other point during this time of the year. Just kind of trying to circle that square, if you will. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:23:31Yeah. No, that's a good point. Because these investments are fairly lumpy, we are negotiating with a fair amount of the pipeline, but you just never know what's going to happen. On the theoretical, it's more we have identified assets that we're pursuing, but we don't know whether we'll win them at the yields that work for us. I would say it's what we have that we're negotiating, where terms have been really agreed upon, is a fair amount of the guidance. John MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:24:11Okay. That's helpful. In terms of yields on those investments, I mean, is it going to be comparative to last year? I mean, has the cap rate market moved at all given some of the volatility in interest rates or macro uncertainty? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:24:26I would say that the yields on the structured finance investments have maybe come down slightly. The yields on the acquisitions have either been steady from what you've seen in the past or maybe even come up a little bit as far as higher yield. John MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:24:46Okay. On guidance again, any credit loss kind of baked into that number beyond the two vacancies you called out specifically? Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:24:58Yeah. I mean, we always keep a small general reserve in the forecast, but we don't see anything large that's looming right now. John MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:25:08Okay. Last kind of detail one for you, Phil. Real estate expense kicked up a little bit quarter-over-quarter. Was that just reflecting the situation in Reno, or was there something else going on there? Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:25:22Yep. The Reno lease expired in November, and it kind of kicked up primarily due to that. John MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:25:29Okay. That's it for me. Thank you very much. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:25:33Thank you. Operator00:25:34Thank you. One moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question is going to come from the line of Craig Kucera with Lucid Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Craig KuceraManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets00:25:46Yeah. Thanks. Good morning, guys. Phil, about half of the revolver balance now is floating. Are you contemplating any swaps there, or are you likely to keep that floating? Philip MaysCFO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:25:57Yeah. It is about $100 million outstanding on the revolver. As you mentioned, half is swapped and $50 million is not swapped. We might consider if the balance starts to get up a little higher. It just kind of depends on how the timing of acquisitions and dispositions lay out. We want to always have some flexibility there, Craig, to be able to pay down the line rate. When it is swapped, then you are just sitting on the cash earning nothing. If it continues to get up a little higher, we will probably look at swapping. We may opportunistically do it, right? If there is a dip in rates, we might consider doing it a little earlier. Craig KuceraManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets00:26:36Got it. Just one more for me. I guess you guys have had a really good track record of getting a positive cap rate spread on your acquisitions and dispositions. Is that still anticipated this year, or does the fact that some of the assets you're looking to sell might need to be leased up to kind of maximize the value? John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:26:53Yeah. I mean, there's definitely going to be some assets like the Walgreens and maybe At Home that will be at yields that are the same or higher than what we're acquiring. You won't see that accretive recycling. With regards to Party City and the theater, I mean, those are a fairly chunky amount of money for our small company that's obviously earning negative that once we get that redeployed, will be very accretive. John MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:27:25Okay. Great. Thanks. John AlbrightPresident and CEO at Alpine Income Property Trust00:27:27Thank you. Operator00:27:28Thank you. This is going to conclude our question and answer session. Ladies and gentlemen, this is also going to conclude today's conference call. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesPhilip MaysCFOJohn AlbrightPresident and CEOAnalystsKathryn GravesEquity Research Scientific Associate at UBSGaurav MehtaManaging Director, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Alliance Global PartnersRob StevensonManaging Director, Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery ScottMatthew ErdnerDirector, Specialty Finance and Real Estate Equity Research at Jones TradingAlec FeganAnalyst at BayerJohn MassoccaSenior Research Analyst at B. Riley SecuritiesCraig KuceraManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital MarketsPowered by