NASDAQ:PFBC Preferred Bank Q4 2025 Earnings Report $105.42 -0.43 (-0.41%) Closing price 09/18/2026 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$105.49 +0.07 (+0.07%) As of 09/18/2026 07:30 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Preferred Bank EPS ResultsActual EPS$2.79Consensus EPS $2.78Beat/MissBeat by +$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/APreferred Bank Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$78.07 millionExpected Revenue$74.54 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$3.53 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/APreferred Bank Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2025Date1/22/2026TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, January 22, 2026Conference Call Time2:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsPreferred Bank's Q3 2026 earnings is estimated for Monday, October 19, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled on Tuesday, October 20, 2026 at 2:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Preferred Bank Q4 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJanuary 22, 2026ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Strong profitability: Q4 net income was $34.8 million ($2.79/share) and full-year net income was $434 million ($10.41/share), which management says is among the banking industry's top tier. Negative Sentiment: Margin pressure from rate cuts and expensive deposits: December margin fell to 3.66% after Fed cuts while deposit cost remained high at 3.17% (deposit beta ~40% on interest-bearing), pressuring net interest income near-term. Positive Sentiment: Loan demand is strengthening—Q4 loan growth was $182 million (over 12% for the quarter) and management is budgeting for higher loan growth in 2026, with deposit growth targeted to keep pace. Negative Sentiment: Credit stress increased as criticized assets rose by ~$97 million after the Bank classified a large nine-loan relationship (~$121–$123 million); payments have slowed and one $19.5M loan moved to non-accrual, though management says collateral values remain supportive and added provisions totaled $4.3 million this quarter. Neutral Sentiment: Capital allocation and expense outlook: management expects mid‑to‑high single‑digit expense growth, limited share repurchases this year as funds may be reserved for loan growth and deposit needs, and Q1 run‑rate guidance implies expenses will ramp through the year. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallPreferred Bank Q4 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Preferred Bank Q4 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star and then one on a touch-tone telephone. To withdraw your questions, you may press star and two. Please also note today's event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Jeffrey Haas with Financial Profiles. Sir, please go ahead. Jeffrey HaasSVP of Investor Relations at Financial Profiles00:00:37Thank you, Jamie. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss Preferred Bank's financial results for the fourth quarter ended December 31st, 2025. With me today from management are Chairman and CEO Li Yu, President and Chief Operating Officer Wellington Chen, Chief Financial Officer Edward Czajka, Chief Risk Officer Nick Pi, and Deputy Chief Operating Officer Johnny Hsu. Management will provide a brief summary of the results, and then we will open up the call to your questions. During the course of this conference call, statements made by management may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such forward-looking statements are based upon specific assumptions that may or may not prove correct. Jeffrey HaasSVP of Investor Relations at Financial Profiles00:01:22Forward-looking statements are also subject to known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors relating to Preferred Bank's operations and business environment, all of which are difficult to predict, and many of which are beyond the control of Preferred Bank. For a detailed description of these risks and uncertainties, please refer to the SEC-required documents the Bank files with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, or FDIC. If any of these uncertainties materialize or any of these assumptions prove incorrect, Preferred Bank's results could differ materially from its expectations as set forth in these statements. Preferred Bank assumes no obligation to update such forward-looking statements. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Li Yu. Please go ahead. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:02:06Thank you. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining the earnings conference. I'm very pleased to report that for the fourth quarter of 2025, the net income of the Bank was $34.8 million, or $2.79 a share. For the full year, the Bank earned $434 million, or $10.41 a share. Our profitability for the year is believed to be among the top tier of the banking industry. Our net interest margin for the fourth quarter declined from the third quarter. The principal reason for the decline was federal rate cuts. With a 70% floating-rate loan portfolio, the rate cut did reduce our loan interest income. However, the cost of deposits remained stubbornly high. In fact, many analysts have reported that between quarters, the banking industry, the entire banking industry, cost of deposits may have increased slightly. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:03:41Looking forward, we're seeing that our loan demand is getting stronger. For the quarter, our total loan growth is $182 million, or over 12%. Deposit growth was $115 million, or 7.4%. The year-to-date for loan and deposit growth is 7.3% or 7.2%, respectively. During the quarter, we have sold two large pieces of our OREO, resulting in a net gain of $1.8 million between the two. The income was reported in the section of non-interest income. The sale that resulted in loss was reported in the non-interest expense section. Why? This is based on the current principles of generally accepted accounting principles. For the quarter, non-performing assets declined slightly. However, criticized assets did increase $97 million. Principally, this is due to that we placed a large nine-loan relationship into the classified status. For the quarter, loan loss provision was $4.3 million. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:05:46Most economists are forecasting 2026 to be a year of relative growth and stability. Our customers' feelings are also indicating they have an improved outlook for 2026. Barring any sudden changes in government policy or directions, which we just had one, we're hoping 2026 to be more of a growth year for Preferred Bank. Thank you very much. I will answer your questions. Operator00:06:43Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we'll begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star and then one using a touch-tone telephone. To withdraw your questions, you may press star and two. If you are using a speakerphone, we do ask that you please pick up the handset prior to pressing the keys to ensure the best sound quality. To get on that, it's star and then one to join the question queue. We'll pause momentarily to assemble the roster. And our first question today comes from Matthew Clark from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead with your question. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:07:21Hey, good morning, everyone. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:07:23Good morning. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:07:26Just want to start on the margin and get some visibility there, at least in the near term. Do you have the spot rate on deposits, spot rate on deposit costs at the end of the year or even the month of December, and then also the average margin in the month of December? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:07:45Hi, Matthew. This is Ed. The margin for December was 3.66%, slightly below that of the quarter. That was with the full effect of the December rate cut. Total cost of deposits was 3.17% for the month of December. So that's coming down about six, seven basis points a month. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:08:05Okay. Yeah, and that's where I was headed. Deposit beta this quarter looks to be about 40% on interest-bearing. Sounds like things are still pretty competitive. What are your thoughts on the beta, the deposit beta going forward, assuming we get maybe one or two rate cuts this year? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:08:26It's going to depend on a number of things. Obviously, the rate cuts will play a big key role. But the other thing that Mr. Yu alluded to is the competition for deposits still remains very, very strong. So I would foresee a similar pattern in terms of about five or six basis points a month as we have CDs rolling off and then coming on at lower rates. They're just not coming on at rates that we thought we would see at this point, given what's happened with the Federal Reserve. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:08:57Okay. Got it. And it sounds like loan growth, you expect to maybe step up a little bit this year from the 7.3% pace last year. I would assume you're going to try to grow deposits at a similar pace. Is that fair, just given your loan-to-deposit ratio? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:09:21That's a fair statement. Yeah. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:09:24Okay. And then just last one for me on expenses, the run rate. A little noise this quarter, but stripping that out, a little better than expected on comp. How should we think about the run rate here in the first quarter with some seasonality? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:09:40I'm going to forecast probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 22, maybe slightly below that, but 21.5 to 22 should be about right. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:09:49I wanted to use a 21.5 to 22.5. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:09:52Okay. Bigger margin. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:09:58I like it. Okay. Thank you. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:10:00I'll get it done. Yeah. Yeah. Operator00:10:05Our next question comes from Gary Tenner from D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead with your question. Gary TennerManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson00:10:11Thanks. Good morning. Just a quick follow-up on the deposit side of things. If you could kind of update us on the CD maturities in the first quarter and kind of the out-and-in rate that you expect? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:10:23Sure. So we have about $1.3 billion maturing in Q1 at a weighted average rate of 396. They're currently coming on right now at about around 370-380 right now on average, Gary. Gary TennerManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson00:10:42I appreciate that. And just out of curiosity, last quarter, when you talked about the CDs maturing in the fourth quarter, they were maturing at 4.1, and you sort of posited kind of new CDs in the mid to high threes. So it sounds like that number was towards the upper end of that repricing range in the fourth quarter. Is that kind of what played out? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:11:05Yes. As we said, we would have expected CD rates, market rates to come down a little more than they did, given the Federal Reserve's actions. Gary TennerManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson00:11:16Okay. And that 70% floating-rate portfolio now, have you, with the fourth quarter cuts, did you clear through any significant floors that changed the number? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:11:32It probably only affected about $150-$200 million of the loan book. Right now, we have about 45% of the floors are in the 0-100 basis point bucket in terms of their protection effectiveness. Gary TennerManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson00:11:50Great. Thank you. Operator00:11:53Our next question comes from Andrew Terrell from Stephens. Please go ahead with your question. Andrew TerrellManaging Director and Research Analyst at Stephens00:11:59Hey, good morning. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:12:01Hey, Andrew. Andrew TerrellManaging Director and Research Analyst at Stephens00:12:02Hey. I was hoping to just follow up on the time deposit competition commentary. I was hoping you could just maybe expand upon that a bit more and just sounds like high threes for you guys right now. Is that generally in line with your competition? Are you trying to price ahead, price below to pick up more deposits? Just curious where you're at versus the market, kind of your strategy, your expectations there. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:12:30I think the challenge is kind of walking the tightrope, right? We want to bring deposit costs in. That's really a big goal of ours. But at the same time, we want to grow the deposits. So that's been kind of a challenge. What we've seen in the marketplace is not only local competition still being fairly stiff, but we're seeing some large money center banks still out there promoting CDs right in our marketplace. And when you have those guys doing that type of thing, it makes it more challenging for us because of their size. Andrew TerrellManaging Director and Research Analyst at Stephens00:13:04Yep. No, makes total sense. On the downgraded loan this quarter, the $123 million relationship, I appreciate all the color you guys put in the release around the LTVs and debt service there that both look pretty good. I was hoping you could talk a little bit more about the pathway to curing this, what the timeline and outcome looks like as you see the picture today. And then also just, this is a pretty large relationship, 2% of the loan book. Is this the largest relationship at the bank, or are there other similarly large relationships that you guys have? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:13:45I want to answer that. You. I believe this is one of the large relationships for the bank at this moment. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:13:58In terms of the workout, it's a little bit early to be able to tell what the future is going to hold for this particular relationship. There are several options that we've utilized in the past. We've sold notes, we've foreclosed and taken back property, etc., but. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:14:16Andrew, our first choice, obviously, we know these customers. They are late in payments and they are having problems with other banks, but the principle is that because these properties still have value, very positive value in their eyes. The information we have is they're working very hard, trying to finance it out from other alternatives. The bank is going to be waiting for them to get these things, these procedures done. In case if they are not able to continue the loan and that we have to go through the foreclosure procedure, we are not going to be shy away from that. We'll do it immediately. The current marketplace is pretty reasonable, I mean, as regard to pay for these properties at this point in time. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:15:20So in other words, we're not seeing the market situation in 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012 that you have the bottom fall off. It's not happening. Market has been very stable. So it's a matter of time to resolve these things as these loans are basically fundamentally, well, reasonably underwritten. Andrew TerrellManaging Director and Research Analyst at Stephens00:15:46Great. Okay. I appreciate all the color there and thanks for the questions. Operator00:15:55Our next question comes from Tim Coffey from Janney. Please go ahead with your question. Tim CoffeyVP and Research Analyst at Janney00:16:00Great. Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Mr. Yu, as we start looking at loan growth for the next year, what do you think are the best opportunities for growth? What loan product? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:16:15Basically, we still a sort of like a commercial market that basically commercial real estate and the C&I loans. We see both sides' demand is reviving a bit right now. In fact, internally, we're budgeting a higher number than previous year right now. So it's still very early to tell, as you know, that not only we have the normal economy, but we do have a very active government that changes, I mean, practices from time to time. So it will be if we venture in some way so that everything is smooth, no change, we'll go this way, I think that's an overly optimistic situation too. But I'd like to say that we're budgeting a higher number than last year for our upcoming years, this year. Tim CoffeyVP and Research Analyst at Janney00:17:16Okay. Great. Thanks. And then, Ed, looking at non-interest expenses for the full year in terms of the growth rate, is kind of a mid to high single digit number reasonable? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:17:30Yes. Yeah. That's about what we're looking at is, yeah, right in that neighborhood, Tim. You're spot on. Tim CoffeyVP and Research Analyst at Janney00:17:38Okay. And then just kind of general thoughts on share repurchases for this year? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:17:50We just have to see what the total picture is. First of all, obviously, we have to see what our loan growth is, okay, during the year. In all possibility, all funds will have to be reserved for loan growth. Secondly, that deposit situation will also be very important. When we have the balance sheet all fixed, then we probably will turn around to see whether there is additional availability for purchases or repurchases. I would say that the situation is not quite as, how should I say, conducive to repurchases as last year. Tim CoffeyVP and Research Analyst at Janney00:18:39Right. Sure. Absolutely. And then I guess I want to kind of make sure I dot the i and cross the t's on the classified loans. I mean, given the uniqueness of this situation, what does the timeline for disposition look like? Or how does this play out? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:18:58Well, first of all, that the amount of relationship, there are several different loans. Some of them have an earlier maturity date than the other one. So first of all, obviously, we will be giving our customer the opportunity, okay, of that particular relationship, the opportunity of resolving these matters to our satisfaction. And then the legal procedure will start if they fail to do that. And I would say that internally, we will say that probably we will have a majority of a good portion of all taken care of. I shouldn't say taken care of, all resolved sometime within two quarters. Nick, do you think I'm too optimistic or what's your decline to say? Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:19:55That's the goal where we're heading, Mr. Yu. Yes. Of course, we will try to solve the issues. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:19:59I think we'll give ourselves so much time to get a lot of the work done. Tim CoffeyVP and Research Analyst at Janney00:20:05Okay. Great. That's very helpful. Those are my questions. Thank you. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:20:10Thank you. Operator00:20:13Our next question comes from Liam Coohill from Raymond James. Please go ahead with your question. Liam CoohillSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:20:19Hi. Good morning, everyone. This is Liam on for David Feaster. There's been a good amount of discussion surrounding the classified downgrade, but I did just want to touch on the well-secured multifamily loan that was downgraded to non-accrual. Did you have the credit metrics for that loan, and is there anything in particular we should take into account? Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:20:46You mean that the 19.4? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:20:49Yeah. 19.4. Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:20:50Okay. Can you have the numbers one day? Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:20:54So these are the credit metrics. Yeah. Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:20:56Right. So based on the most updated appraisal we conducted after we classified this loan, and the value came out even higher than the previous one. So with everything in mind. Liam CoohillSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:21:13No. How much is the value? $48 million? Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:21:16It's $49 million. Liam CoohillSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:21:17$49 million. Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:21:18$49 million, and our loan is $19.5. Liam CoohillSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:21:25That's very helpful. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:21:26At the end, there is one loan that we like to think that the borrower will want to find a way to resolve that, okay, because it's too much difference between assume the market value is the appraisal value. There's too much difference between those two numbers. Liam CoohillSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:21:48No. Thank you very much, and then just one more from me. For fee income in 2026, would the 4Q number, excluding the one-time OREO impact, be a good baseline? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:22:06I think it would be, yes. I think that's probably a good baseline. Maybe slightly below that. The LC fee income was very, very strong this year. Not sure we can exactly reproduce that number, but I'm sure we'll get close to that. So I would take that non-interest income without the gain on sale of other real estate. Liam CoohillSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:22:28Thank you very much. I'll step back. Operator00:22:32Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star and then one. To withdraw your questions, you may press star and two. Again, that is star and then one to join the question queue. Our next question is a follow-up from Matthew Clark from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead with your question. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:22:53Hey, thanks. Just want to clarify your expense guidance for this year. Does that exclude OREO costs because the midpoint of your guide for the first quarter of $22 million annualizes obviously to $88 million, would be below this past year and would imply some significant growth after the first quarter? Just want to make sure we're on the same page. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:23:21Yes. It will grow through the year. There's no question about it. Yeah. And we still have a couple of small OREO properties, so there will be some expense related to those as well. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:23:35Okay. And then did you repurchase any shares this quarter? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:23:41No. That's just what Andrew? Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:23:44Okay. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:23:44Yeah. We did in October, but it was a nominal amount, Matthew, so. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:23:50Okay, and then just last one for me on M&A. Just wanted to get an update on your appetite for M&A to the extent you see some opportunities with M&A expected to accelerate this year. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:24:08Yeah. There are a few deals that have been brought to us that we end up taking a look at. As you know, that has not been our main effort in M&As. But there are a couple of deals we did take a look at, and probably the pricing structure required is still not to our satisfaction. So we'll continue to look at it. We know that there may be another one or two coming up, but we'll take a look at it. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:24:39Okay. Great. Thanks again. Operator00:24:45Our next question comes from Arif Inayatullah from Cygnus Capital. Please go ahead with your question. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:24:52Yes. Hello. Thanks for taking my questions. My first question is really more just to clarify the diluted EPS of $2.79. If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like your gain on sale of the OREO properties is included in that EPS, which after-tax was about $0.20. Just want to confirm, am I reading that correctly, that after that gain, the EPS was $2.59? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:25:15That sounds about right. Yes. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:25:17Okay. Appreciate it. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:25:18$1.8 million after equal to a $3.6. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:25:23$3.6. $3.6. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:25:24$3.6. Yeah. So that's about right. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:25:27Okay. Thank you. And then my next question is, on those OREO properties you sold in the fourth quarter, did you provide any financing to the buyers, or have you completely absolved yourself of any exposure to those properties going forward? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:25:44One of them has, we provide financing, okay. The other one's our cash sale. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:25:48Correct. Got it. So you still have a loan to one of those properties going forward? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:25:53Yes. Much smaller loan. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:25:55Got it. Okay. And then the last question I had was with respect to the increase in the classified loans. Can you please confirm the $121 million of loans that are with the relationship where there's litigation going on with other banks? I'm assuming you're referring to Western Alliance and Zions. Are those loans paying current? Are they performing or no? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:26:22As far as I know, we don't know exactly the status of the other two banks' loans, and we don't have any idea about their structures. All I know is that we are in the first position, Deed of Trust lender. So we're fully secured by a problem. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:26:40But are those loans being? Are you receiving current interest and debt service on those loans currently? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:26:48Yes. We have been receiving the payments, but it's been slowed down. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:26:55It's been slowed down. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:26:55Yes. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:26:55That's correct. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:26:56Yeah. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:26:57Sorry. So they're behind in interest service or they're current in interest service? I'm not following the question. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:27:05Generally, they're behind interest services. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:27:07Okay. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:27:08That's one of the primary reasons that's the weakness of the loan that we classified. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:27:13Thanks for clarifying. I'm just really more trying to understand the context of a 1.14 times debt coverage ratio if the loan's not paying. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:27:25Because of the guarantors getting involved with litigation with other banks. So probably they're not 100% using all the cash flow from those properties to make the payment to our bank at this time. Yeah. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:27:38Got it. Okay. That's helpful. And then just to finalize the question on this topic, given where the allowance for credit loss had stood at the end of the quarter or end of the year and your increase in the provision for credit loss, what gives you comfort that you're adequately reserved and we don't get surprised, as we did this quarter, with significant increase in non-performing and criticized loans? How recent of a scrub have you done of your portfolio to kind of give you that comfort that you're adequately reserved? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:28:12All these loans under this literature, we go with because we're substandard and impaired, we go with the Fed's 3.4K analysis. As the release mentioned about the loan-to-value, it's around 65%. There's no specific reserve on this loan. However, the $4.3 million provision for this quarter was mainly the result of a combination of many manufacturers, including the loan growth, including other specific reserve for some of the loans. Just to give you an example, we fully reserved this relationship too under unsecured credit. Also based on Q factor. Due to the movement of all this relationship and increase of the criticized loans, we have adjusted our Q factor side, especially on the credit trend area. We increased five basis points of the entire real estate segment. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:29:15So based on the component of our reserve at this moment, our Q factors are actually counting on 42.5% of the entire reserve. So we do believe the reserve should be more than enough to cover our credit situation. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:29:32Got it. Okay. Thank you very much. Operator00:29:39Ladies and gentlemen, with that, we've reached the end of today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for any closing remarks. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:29:51Thank you very much that for now that before we have little challenges and try to within the next six months period of time try to resolve these issues on the credit side. Overall, everything remains the same. We're still the same company. We're still structured with a normal operation, normal matrix, and so on. We sort of like still look forward to 2026. Thank you very much. Operator00:30:31With that, ladies and gentlemen, we'll conclude today's conference call and presentation. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesEdward J. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Preferred Bank Q4 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star and then one on a touch-tone telephone. To withdraw your questions, you may press star and two. Please also note today's event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Jeffrey Haas with Financial Profiles. Sir, please go ahead. Jeffrey HaasSVP of Investor Relations at Financial Profiles00:00:37Thank you, Jamie. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss Preferred Bank's financial results for the fourth quarter ended December 31st, 2025. With me today from management are Chairman and CEO Li Yu, President and Chief Operating Officer Wellington Chen, Chief Financial Officer Edward Czajka, Chief Risk Officer Nick Pi, and Deputy Chief Operating Officer Johnny Hsu. Management will provide a brief summary of the results, and then we will open up the call to your questions. During the course of this conference call, statements made by management may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such forward-looking statements are based upon specific assumptions that may or may not prove correct. Jeffrey HaasSVP of Investor Relations at Financial Profiles00:01:22Forward-looking statements are also subject to known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors relating to Preferred Bank's operations and business environment, all of which are difficult to predict, and many of which are beyond the control of Preferred Bank. For a detailed description of these risks and uncertainties, please refer to the SEC-required documents the Bank files with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, or FDIC. If any of these uncertainties materialize or any of these assumptions prove incorrect, Preferred Bank's results could differ materially from its expectations as set forth in these statements. Preferred Bank assumes no obligation to update such forward-looking statements. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Li Yu. Please go ahead. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:02:06Thank you. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining the earnings conference. I'm very pleased to report that for the fourth quarter of 2025, the net income of the Bank was $34.8 million, or $2.79 a share. For the full year, the Bank earned $434 million, or $10.41 a share. Our profitability for the year is believed to be among the top tier of the banking industry. Our net interest margin for the fourth quarter declined from the third quarter. The principal reason for the decline was federal rate cuts. With a 70% floating-rate loan portfolio, the rate cut did reduce our loan interest income. However, the cost of deposits remained stubbornly high. In fact, many analysts have reported that between quarters, the banking industry, the entire banking industry, cost of deposits may have increased slightly. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:03:41Looking forward, we're seeing that our loan demand is getting stronger. For the quarter, our total loan growth is $182 million, or over 12%. Deposit growth was $115 million, or 7.4%. The year-to-date for loan and deposit growth is 7.3% or 7.2%, respectively. During the quarter, we have sold two large pieces of our OREO, resulting in a net gain of $1.8 million between the two. The income was reported in the section of non-interest income. The sale that resulted in loss was reported in the non-interest expense section. Why? This is based on the current principles of generally accepted accounting principles. For the quarter, non-performing assets declined slightly. However, criticized assets did increase $97 million. Principally, this is due to that we placed a large nine-loan relationship into the classified status. For the quarter, loan loss provision was $4.3 million. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:05:46Most economists are forecasting 2026 to be a year of relative growth and stability. Our customers' feelings are also indicating they have an improved outlook for 2026. Barring any sudden changes in government policy or directions, which we just had one, we're hoping 2026 to be more of a growth year for Preferred Bank. Thank you very much. I will answer your questions. Operator00:06:43Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we'll begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star and then one using a touch-tone telephone. To withdraw your questions, you may press star and two. If you are using a speakerphone, we do ask that you please pick up the handset prior to pressing the keys to ensure the best sound quality. To get on that, it's star and then one to join the question queue. We'll pause momentarily to assemble the roster. And our first question today comes from Matthew Clark from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead with your question. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:07:21Hey, good morning, everyone. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:07:23Good morning. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:07:26Just want to start on the margin and get some visibility there, at least in the near term. Do you have the spot rate on deposits, spot rate on deposit costs at the end of the year or even the month of December, and then also the average margin in the month of December? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:07:45Hi, Matthew. This is Ed. The margin for December was 3.66%, slightly below that of the quarter. That was with the full effect of the December rate cut. Total cost of deposits was 3.17% for the month of December. So that's coming down about six, seven basis points a month. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:08:05Okay. Yeah, and that's where I was headed. Deposit beta this quarter looks to be about 40% on interest-bearing. Sounds like things are still pretty competitive. What are your thoughts on the beta, the deposit beta going forward, assuming we get maybe one or two rate cuts this year? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:08:26It's going to depend on a number of things. Obviously, the rate cuts will play a big key role. But the other thing that Mr. Yu alluded to is the competition for deposits still remains very, very strong. So I would foresee a similar pattern in terms of about five or six basis points a month as we have CDs rolling off and then coming on at lower rates. They're just not coming on at rates that we thought we would see at this point, given what's happened with the Federal Reserve. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:08:57Okay. Got it. And it sounds like loan growth, you expect to maybe step up a little bit this year from the 7.3% pace last year. I would assume you're going to try to grow deposits at a similar pace. Is that fair, just given your loan-to-deposit ratio? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:09:21That's a fair statement. Yeah. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:09:24Okay. And then just last one for me on expenses, the run rate. A little noise this quarter, but stripping that out, a little better than expected on comp. How should we think about the run rate here in the first quarter with some seasonality? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:09:40I'm going to forecast probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 22, maybe slightly below that, but 21.5 to 22 should be about right. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:09:49I wanted to use a 21.5 to 22.5. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:09:52Okay. Bigger margin. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:09:58I like it. Okay. Thank you. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:10:00I'll get it done. Yeah. Yeah. Operator00:10:05Our next question comes from Gary Tenner from D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead with your question. Gary TennerManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson00:10:11Thanks. Good morning. Just a quick follow-up on the deposit side of things. If you could kind of update us on the CD maturities in the first quarter and kind of the out-and-in rate that you expect? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:10:23Sure. So we have about $1.3 billion maturing in Q1 at a weighted average rate of 396. They're currently coming on right now at about around 370-380 right now on average, Gary. Gary TennerManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson00:10:42I appreciate that. And just out of curiosity, last quarter, when you talked about the CDs maturing in the fourth quarter, they were maturing at 4.1, and you sort of posited kind of new CDs in the mid to high threes. So it sounds like that number was towards the upper end of that repricing range in the fourth quarter. Is that kind of what played out? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:11:05Yes. As we said, we would have expected CD rates, market rates to come down a little more than they did, given the Federal Reserve's actions. Gary TennerManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson00:11:16Okay. And that 70% floating-rate portfolio now, have you, with the fourth quarter cuts, did you clear through any significant floors that changed the number? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:11:32It probably only affected about $150-$200 million of the loan book. Right now, we have about 45% of the floors are in the 0-100 basis point bucket in terms of their protection effectiveness. Gary TennerManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson00:11:50Great. Thank you. Operator00:11:53Our next question comes from Andrew Terrell from Stephens. Please go ahead with your question. Andrew TerrellManaging Director and Research Analyst at Stephens00:11:59Hey, good morning. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:12:01Hey, Andrew. Andrew TerrellManaging Director and Research Analyst at Stephens00:12:02Hey. I was hoping to just follow up on the time deposit competition commentary. I was hoping you could just maybe expand upon that a bit more and just sounds like high threes for you guys right now. Is that generally in line with your competition? Are you trying to price ahead, price below to pick up more deposits? Just curious where you're at versus the market, kind of your strategy, your expectations there. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:12:30I think the challenge is kind of walking the tightrope, right? We want to bring deposit costs in. That's really a big goal of ours. But at the same time, we want to grow the deposits. So that's been kind of a challenge. What we've seen in the marketplace is not only local competition still being fairly stiff, but we're seeing some large money center banks still out there promoting CDs right in our marketplace. And when you have those guys doing that type of thing, it makes it more challenging for us because of their size. Andrew TerrellManaging Director and Research Analyst at Stephens00:13:04Yep. No, makes total sense. On the downgraded loan this quarter, the $123 million relationship, I appreciate all the color you guys put in the release around the LTVs and debt service there that both look pretty good. I was hoping you could talk a little bit more about the pathway to curing this, what the timeline and outcome looks like as you see the picture today. And then also just, this is a pretty large relationship, 2% of the loan book. Is this the largest relationship at the bank, or are there other similarly large relationships that you guys have? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:13:45I want to answer that. You. I believe this is one of the large relationships for the bank at this moment. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:13:58In terms of the workout, it's a little bit early to be able to tell what the future is going to hold for this particular relationship. There are several options that we've utilized in the past. We've sold notes, we've foreclosed and taken back property, etc., but. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:14:16Andrew, our first choice, obviously, we know these customers. They are late in payments and they are having problems with other banks, but the principle is that because these properties still have value, very positive value in their eyes. The information we have is they're working very hard, trying to finance it out from other alternatives. The bank is going to be waiting for them to get these things, these procedures done. In case if they are not able to continue the loan and that we have to go through the foreclosure procedure, we are not going to be shy away from that. We'll do it immediately. The current marketplace is pretty reasonable, I mean, as regard to pay for these properties at this point in time. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:15:20So in other words, we're not seeing the market situation in 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012 that you have the bottom fall off. It's not happening. Market has been very stable. So it's a matter of time to resolve these things as these loans are basically fundamentally, well, reasonably underwritten. Andrew TerrellManaging Director and Research Analyst at Stephens00:15:46Great. Okay. I appreciate all the color there and thanks for the questions. Operator00:15:55Our next question comes from Tim Coffey from Janney. Please go ahead with your question. Tim CoffeyVP and Research Analyst at Janney00:16:00Great. Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Mr. Yu, as we start looking at loan growth for the next year, what do you think are the best opportunities for growth? What loan product? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:16:15Basically, we still a sort of like a commercial market that basically commercial real estate and the C&I loans. We see both sides' demand is reviving a bit right now. In fact, internally, we're budgeting a higher number than previous year right now. So it's still very early to tell, as you know, that not only we have the normal economy, but we do have a very active government that changes, I mean, practices from time to time. So it will be if we venture in some way so that everything is smooth, no change, we'll go this way, I think that's an overly optimistic situation too. But I'd like to say that we're budgeting a higher number than last year for our upcoming years, this year. Tim CoffeyVP and Research Analyst at Janney00:17:16Okay. Great. Thanks. And then, Ed, looking at non-interest expenses for the full year in terms of the growth rate, is kind of a mid to high single digit number reasonable? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:17:30Yes. Yeah. That's about what we're looking at is, yeah, right in that neighborhood, Tim. You're spot on. Tim CoffeyVP and Research Analyst at Janney00:17:38Okay. And then just kind of general thoughts on share repurchases for this year? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:17:50We just have to see what the total picture is. First of all, obviously, we have to see what our loan growth is, okay, during the year. In all possibility, all funds will have to be reserved for loan growth. Secondly, that deposit situation will also be very important. When we have the balance sheet all fixed, then we probably will turn around to see whether there is additional availability for purchases or repurchases. I would say that the situation is not quite as, how should I say, conducive to repurchases as last year. Tim CoffeyVP and Research Analyst at Janney00:18:39Right. Sure. Absolutely. And then I guess I want to kind of make sure I dot the i and cross the t's on the classified loans. I mean, given the uniqueness of this situation, what does the timeline for disposition look like? Or how does this play out? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:18:58Well, first of all, that the amount of relationship, there are several different loans. Some of them have an earlier maturity date than the other one. So first of all, obviously, we will be giving our customer the opportunity, okay, of that particular relationship, the opportunity of resolving these matters to our satisfaction. And then the legal procedure will start if they fail to do that. And I would say that internally, we will say that probably we will have a majority of a good portion of all taken care of. I shouldn't say taken care of, all resolved sometime within two quarters. Nick, do you think I'm too optimistic or what's your decline to say? Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:19:55That's the goal where we're heading, Mr. Yu. Yes. Of course, we will try to solve the issues. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:19:59I think we'll give ourselves so much time to get a lot of the work done. Tim CoffeyVP and Research Analyst at Janney00:20:05Okay. Great. That's very helpful. Those are my questions. Thank you. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:20:10Thank you. Operator00:20:13Our next question comes from Liam Coohill from Raymond James. Please go ahead with your question. Liam CoohillSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:20:19Hi. Good morning, everyone. This is Liam on for David Feaster. There's been a good amount of discussion surrounding the classified downgrade, but I did just want to touch on the well-secured multifamily loan that was downgraded to non-accrual. Did you have the credit metrics for that loan, and is there anything in particular we should take into account? Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:20:46You mean that the 19.4? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:20:49Yeah. 19.4. Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:20:50Okay. Can you have the numbers one day? Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:20:54So these are the credit metrics. Yeah. Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:20:56Right. So based on the most updated appraisal we conducted after we classified this loan, and the value came out even higher than the previous one. So with everything in mind. Liam CoohillSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:21:13No. How much is the value? $48 million? Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:21:16It's $49 million. Liam CoohillSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:21:17$49 million. Nick PiChief Risk Officer at Preferred Bank00:21:18$49 million, and our loan is $19.5. Liam CoohillSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:21:25That's very helpful. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:21:26At the end, there is one loan that we like to think that the borrower will want to find a way to resolve that, okay, because it's too much difference between assume the market value is the appraisal value. There's too much difference between those two numbers. Liam CoohillSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:21:48No. Thank you very much, and then just one more from me. For fee income in 2026, would the 4Q number, excluding the one-time OREO impact, be a good baseline? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:22:06I think it would be, yes. I think that's probably a good baseline. Maybe slightly below that. The LC fee income was very, very strong this year. Not sure we can exactly reproduce that number, but I'm sure we'll get close to that. So I would take that non-interest income without the gain on sale of other real estate. Liam CoohillSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:22:28Thank you very much. I'll step back. Operator00:22:32Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star and then one. To withdraw your questions, you may press star and two. Again, that is star and then one to join the question queue. Our next question is a follow-up from Matthew Clark from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead with your question. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:22:53Hey, thanks. Just want to clarify your expense guidance for this year. Does that exclude OREO costs because the midpoint of your guide for the first quarter of $22 million annualizes obviously to $88 million, would be below this past year and would imply some significant growth after the first quarter? Just want to make sure we're on the same page. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:23:21Yes. It will grow through the year. There's no question about it. Yeah. And we still have a couple of small OREO properties, so there will be some expense related to those as well. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:23:35Okay. And then did you repurchase any shares this quarter? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:23:41No. That's just what Andrew? Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:23:44Okay. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:23:44Yeah. We did in October, but it was a nominal amount, Matthew, so. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:23:50Okay, and then just last one for me on M&A. Just wanted to get an update on your appetite for M&A to the extent you see some opportunities with M&A expected to accelerate this year. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:24:08Yeah. There are a few deals that have been brought to us that we end up taking a look at. As you know, that has not been our main effort in M&As. But there are a couple of deals we did take a look at, and probably the pricing structure required is still not to our satisfaction. So we'll continue to look at it. We know that there may be another one or two coming up, but we'll take a look at it. Matthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:24:39Okay. Great. Thanks again. Operator00:24:45Our next question comes from Arif Inayatullah from Cygnus Capital. Please go ahead with your question. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:24:52Yes. Hello. Thanks for taking my questions. My first question is really more just to clarify the diluted EPS of $2.79. If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like your gain on sale of the OREO properties is included in that EPS, which after-tax was about $0.20. Just want to confirm, am I reading that correctly, that after that gain, the EPS was $2.59? Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:25:15That sounds about right. Yes. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:25:17Okay. Appreciate it. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:25:18$1.8 million after equal to a $3.6. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:25:23$3.6. $3.6. Edward J. CzajkaCFO at Preferred Bank00:25:24$3.6. Yeah. So that's about right. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:25:27Okay. Thank you. And then my next question is, on those OREO properties you sold in the fourth quarter, did you provide any financing to the buyers, or have you completely absolved yourself of any exposure to those properties going forward? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:25:44One of them has, we provide financing, okay. The other one's our cash sale. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:25:48Correct. Got it. So you still have a loan to one of those properties going forward? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:25:53Yes. Much smaller loan. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:25:55Got it. Okay. And then the last question I had was with respect to the increase in the classified loans. Can you please confirm the $121 million of loans that are with the relationship where there's litigation going on with other banks? I'm assuming you're referring to Western Alliance and Zions. Are those loans paying current? Are they performing or no? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:26:22As far as I know, we don't know exactly the status of the other two banks' loans, and we don't have any idea about their structures. All I know is that we are in the first position, Deed of Trust lender. So we're fully secured by a problem. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:26:40But are those loans being? Are you receiving current interest and debt service on those loans currently? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:26:48Yes. We have been receiving the payments, but it's been slowed down. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:26:55It's been slowed down. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:26:55Yes. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:26:55That's correct. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:26:56Yeah. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:26:57Sorry. So they're behind in interest service or they're current in interest service? I'm not following the question. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:27:05Generally, they're behind interest services. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:27:07Okay. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:27:08That's one of the primary reasons that's the weakness of the loan that we classified. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:27:13Thanks for clarifying. I'm just really more trying to understand the context of a 1.14 times debt coverage ratio if the loan's not paying. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:27:25Because of the guarantors getting involved with litigation with other banks. So probably they're not 100% using all the cash flow from those properties to make the payment to our bank at this time. Yeah. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:27:38Got it. Okay. That's helpful. And then just to finalize the question on this topic, given where the allowance for credit loss had stood at the end of the quarter or end of the year and your increase in the provision for credit loss, what gives you comfort that you're adequately reserved and we don't get surprised, as we did this quarter, with significant increase in non-performing and criticized loans? How recent of a scrub have you done of your portfolio to kind of give you that comfort that you're adequately reserved? Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:28:12All these loans under this literature, we go with because we're substandard and impaired, we go with the Fed's 3.4K analysis. As the release mentioned about the loan-to-value, it's around 65%. There's no specific reserve on this loan. However, the $4.3 million provision for this quarter was mainly the result of a combination of many manufacturers, including the loan growth, including other specific reserve for some of the loans. Just to give you an example, we fully reserved this relationship too under unsecured credit. Also based on Q factor. Due to the movement of all this relationship and increase of the criticized loans, we have adjusted our Q factor side, especially on the credit trend area. We increased five basis points of the entire real estate segment. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:29:15So based on the component of our reserve at this moment, our Q factors are actually counting on 42.5% of the entire reserve. So we do believe the reserve should be more than enough to cover our credit situation. Arif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus Capital00:29:32Got it. Okay. Thank you very much. Operator00:29:39Ladies and gentlemen, with that, we've reached the end of today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for any closing remarks. Li YuChairman and CEO at Preferred Bank00:29:51Thank you very much that for now that before we have little challenges and try to within the next six months period of time try to resolve these issues on the credit side. Overall, everything remains the same. We're still the same company. We're still structured with a normal operation, normal matrix, and so on. We sort of like still look forward to 2026. Thank you very much. Operator00:30:31With that, ladies and gentlemen, we'll conclude today's conference call and presentation. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesEdward J. CzajkaCFOLi YuChairman and CEONick PiChief Risk OfficerAnalystsAndrew TerrellManaging Director and Research Analyst at StephensArif InayatullahPresident and CEO at Cygnus CapitalGary TennerManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. DavidsonJeffrey HaasSVP of Investor Relations at Financial ProfilesLiam CoohillSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond JamesMatthew ClarkManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper SandlerTim CoffeyVP and Research Analyst at JanneyPowered by