TSE:CFP Canfor Q4 2025 Earnings Report C$12.73 +0.21 (+1.68%) As of 11:47 AM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Canfor EPS ResultsActual EPS-C$3.33Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ACanfor Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.28 billionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACanfor Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2025Date3/6/2026TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateFriday, March 6, 2026Conference Call Time12:00PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress ReleaseInterim ReportAnnual ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Canfor Q4 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMarch 6, 2026 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Canfor says it has completed a major strategic transformation—closing nine high‑cost sawmills, investing in the US South and Sweden, and diversifying its asset and product base—to improve cost competitiveness and position the company for stronger market dynamics. Negative Sentiment: The company reported weak Q4 operating results with a lumber adjusted EBITDA loss of CAD 8 million and Canfor Pulp an adjusted EBITDA loss of CAD 17 million, and recorded a CAD 214 million write‑down and impairment in Europe (excluded from adjusted EBITDA). Positive Sentiment: Canfor highlights a solid consolidated balance sheet and liquidity position—excluding Canfor Pulp and the 2024 duty loan it reported ~CAD 1.2 billion of available liquidity and manageable net debt—giving flexibility for disciplined strategic investments. Negative Sentiment: Canfor Pulp faces tighter finances with net debt of CAD 104 million and only CAD 40 million of available liquidity, and the company said it is highly probable pulp will breach financial covenants in Q1 absent a successful transaction to consolidate ownership. Neutral Sentiment: The company guided to ~CAD 210 million of 2026 capital spending (CAD 175M lumber, CAD 35M pulp), noting ~40% is discretionary but management intends to proceed with strategic projects such as the Arkansas mill rebuild. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCanfor Q4 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning. My name is Carmen, and I will be your host today. Welcome to Canfor and Canfor Pulp's fourth quarter analyst call. At this time, all lines have been placed to mute to prevent any background noise. A question-and-answer session will be available after today's presentation. During this call, Canfor and Canfor Pulp's Chief Financial Officer will be referring to a slide presentation that is available in the investor relations section of the company's website. Also, the companies would like to point out that this call will include forward-looking statements, so please refer to the press releases for the associated risk for such statements. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Susan Yurkovich, Canfor Corporation's President and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, Susan. Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:00:54Thank you Carmen, good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining the Canfor and Canfor Pulp Q4 2025 results conference call. I'll kick off with a few comments this morning before I turn things over to Stephen Mackie, Canfor's Chief Operating Officer and the CEO of Canfor Pulp, and Pat Elliott, Chief Financial Officer of Canfor Corporation and Canfor Pulp. I'm also joined by Kevin Pankratz, our Senior Vice President of Sales and Marketing for Canfor, and Brian Yuen, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for Canfor Pulp, who will be available to take questions as well. Before discussing our fourth quarter results, I just wanna highlight the significant transformation that Canfor has undertaken over the past several years. Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:01:35Our strategy is focused on strengthening our operating platform to reduce the impact of elevated duties, further diversify our asset base and product offering, and improve our cost competitiveness. In that vein, since 2023, we've made the difficult but necessary decisions to close nine high-cost sawmills, including two in 2025, with a total capacity of 2.3 billion board feet. At the same time, we've invested heavily in new facilities in the U.S. South, expanded our operations in Sweden, and proactively managed our Canadian business in response to the challenges we're seeing accessing economic fiber in BC and elevated countervailing and anti-dumping duties, as well as the more recent Section 232 tariffs. Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:02:23While 2025 was another challenging year, we have started to see the benefit of these strategic actions and that although the near-term uncertainty is likely to persist, Canfor is well-positioned to navigate the challenging markets supported by our high-quality, globally diversified operating platform. Looking ahead, we continue to believe the medium to long-term Lumber demand fundamentals remain strong, and the improvements to our asset base will enable us to capitalize on stronger market dynamics going forward. Finally, notwithstanding the current market uncertainty, we have maintained a strong balance sheet and have the flexibility to pursue strategic growth should the right opportunities present themselves, although we will continue to remain patient and disciplined in our approach. I'd now like to turn it over to Stephen to provide an overview of Canfor Pulp. Stephen MackieCOO and CEO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:03:14Thanks, Susan. Good morning, everyone. Canfor Pulp continues to be impacted by weak global Pulp and Paper markets, with ongoing trade disputes and broader economic uncertainty contributing to elevated inventory levels and weak pricing through much of 2025 and continuing into 2026. Against a challenging market backdrop, we continue to focus on achieving targeted cost reductions and improving our operating performance. While we have made some progress on identified initiatives in recent months, weak market conditions continue to weigh on our financial results and available liquidity, with results in the fourth quarter further impacted by scheduled maintenance downtime at Northwood. Notwithstanding the pending transaction with Canfor Pulp's management team remains committed to mitigating the impact of global trade dynamics and economic uncertainty by closely managing factors within our control. Stephen MackieCOO and CEO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:04:05This includes managing our balance sheet, preserving available liquidity, and continually assessing our operating footprint based on our cost structure, availability of economically viable fiber, and market demand. We'll now turn it over to Pat to provide an overview of our financial results. Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:04:22Thanks, Stephen, and morning, everyone. In my comments this morning, I'll speak to our fourth quarter financial highlights, a summary which is included in our overview slide presentation as always in the investor relations section of Canfor's website. Our Lumber business generated an adjusted EBITDA loss of CAD 8 million in the fourth quarter, CAD 6 million lower than the prior quarter. These results continued to reflect weak Lumber market conditions, particularly for southern yellow pine, as well as lower sales realizations in Canada following the introduction of Section 232 tariffs in the fourth quarter. Our European Lumber business generated adjusted EBITDA of CAD 42 million in 2025. However, weak demand and elevated log costs have contributed to losses in recent quarters. Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:05:05Given ongoing cost pressures in the region, we recorded a CAD 214 million asset write-down and impairment charge in the fourth quarter, which has been excluded from our adjusted EBITDA. Looking ahead, we have started to see improvements in our underlying cost structure in Sweden and remain well positioned to navigate the current market challenges. While we expect European demand to remain relatively flat in the first quarter, and strained Lumber supply across the region is anticipated to support higher pricing heading into the second quarter. In North America, industry-wide downtime in December has contributed to stronger Lumber pricing to start the year, particularly for southern yellow pine. Although near-term volatility is expected to persist, our Lumber business is well-positioned to navigate the current market dynamics, the transformation of our operating platform Susan previously mentioned. Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:05:55Turning to our Pulp business, Canfor Pulp reported adjusted EBITDA loss of CAD 17 million in the fourth quarter, CAD 14 million lower than the prior quarter, reflecting the ongoing impact of weak global markets as well as scheduled maintenance at Northwood. Canfor Pulp ended the quarter with net debt of CAD 104 million and CAD 40 million of available liquidity. Canfor, excluding Canfor Pulp and the duty loan completed in 2024, ended the fourth quarter with net debt of approximately CAD 226 million and available liquidity of CAD 1.2 billion. Looking ahead to 2026, we anticipate capital spend of approximately CAD 175 million in our Lumber business with CAD 35 million for Canfor Pulp, inclusive of capitalized maintenance. Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:06:41In addition, Canfor has also entered an agreement to acquire all of Canfor Pulp's issued and outstanding shares not already owned by the company and will receive the results of the shareholder vote later today. Following a write-down and impairment charge in the fourth quarter, it's highly probable that Canfor Pulp will reach its financial covenants in the first quarter, absent a successful transaction with Canfor. As Stephen mentioned, regardless of ownership structure, Canfor Pulp continues to review its underlying business as it looks to optimize and mitigate financial losses. Despite challenging market conditions and elevated capital spending in recent years, Canfor's balance sheet remains solid. With lower capital spending over the next several years, we believe our financial position provides flexibility to manage current market uncertainty and support potential strategic investments should the right opportunity arise. With that, we are now ready to take questions from analysts. Operator00:07:38We will now take questions from financial analysts. If you have a question, please press star one one on your telephone keypad and wait for your name to be announced. If you would like to withdraw your question at any time, please press star one one again. One moment for our first question. That comes from the line of Ben Isaacson with Scotiabank. Please proceed. Ben IsaacsonAnalyst at Scotiabank00:08:04Good morning, and thank you very much. Just a couple questions. First one, Susan, for you. Just in the Lumber market in North America overall, since the last conference call, three months ago, have you seen an uptick in distressed assets and potential assets available for sale in the marketplace? Sorry- Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:08:26Well- Ben IsaacsonAnalyst at Scotiabank00:08:26If not, are you surprised by that? Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:08:30Well, I think, you know, there's no question, Ben, that, you know, the elevated duties that we're all paying is it's a big challenge for every company. It's putting, you know, a lot of pressure on companies across the country as we, you know, 'cause those are cash deposits. You know, we know that that's a challenge. Have I done an inventory or I've asked all of our competitors exactly what their position is? No, I know it's a challenge for us, and it's a challenge for everybody across the business. Ben IsaacsonAnalyst at Scotiabank00:09:03Thank you for that. Pat, for you, the CAD 210 million in 2026 CapEx guidance, I saw the split between Lumber and Pulp, but can you give a little bit more detail in terms of maintenance versus growth? Maybe asking it in a different way, how much of that is discretionary? Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:09:25Yeah. Ben, thanks. I think we've already identified one project, the sawmill we bought in El Dorado, Arkansas. There's a rebuild going on there. There's a number of other sort of smaller, discrete projects within those. I'd say about 40% of the budget is on the discretionary side. The remainder is maintenance. Ben IsaacsonAnalyst at Scotiabank00:09:43Okay. On that discretionary, I mean, that seems quite committed. There's really not an opportunity for a pullback if markets deteriorate. Is that fair to say? Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:09:56Well, look, there's always opportunity to do that. I think we're committed to doing it. The balance sheet supports it. It's, you know, strategic, particularly in Arkansas as it relates to our facility there at Urbana as well, and the synergies that come with doing it and kind of having two mills in that region. I think we are gonna proceed with it, but that's more of a choice. Ben IsaacsonAnalyst at Scotiabank00:10:16Understood. Just final question is on the Pulp inventory days of about 47, I think you mentioned. Can you just give some historical context in terms of how much that has swung around in good times and bad? Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:10:34Yeah. Ben, thanks for the question. I would say for sure inventories on the softwood side are well above the balance range. If you use historically, that range has been in the high 30s to mid-40s at most. Again, assuming that balance is, you know, in terms of a balance, supply, demand, fundamental 40 days, we've got about a week's worth of inventory overhang sitting in the producer's hands. When you're talking about a 25 million ton market, that's about half a million tons in there. Ben IsaacsonAnalyst at Scotiabank00:11:10Understood. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. Operator00:11:13Thank you. As a reminder to our financial analysts, if you do have a question, press star one one to get in the queue. Our next question comes from Hamir Patel with CIBC Capital Markets. Please proceed. Now please check your mute button. Speakers, I do not hear any audio from Mr. Patel. Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:11:54No, we can't hear Hamir either. Operator00:11:58Mr. Patel, if you can hear us, please press star one one to get in the queue. Well, at this time, there are no further questions. I will turn the call back to Susan Yurkovich for any closing comments. Please go ahead, Susan. Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:12:27Sure. Thanks, operator. Hamir, if you're having trouble with your phone, maybe just give us a call, and we'll try and help you out there. Thanks very much for joining us on today's call, and we'll see you next quarter. Operator00:12:41Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you very much for your participation. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesPatrick ElliottCFOStephen MackieCOO and CEOSusan YurkovichPresident and CEOAnalystsBen IsaacsonAnalyst at ScotiabankPowered by Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress ReleaseInterim reportAnnual report Canfor Earnings HeadlinesCanfor Corporation (CFP:CA) Q1 2026 Earnings Call Transcript3 hours ago | seekingalpha.comCanfor Corporation: Canfor reports results for the first quarter of 2026May 6 at 10:46 PM | finanznachrichten.deSatellite Images Spot Potential $10 Trillion Discovery'Dark Energy': Elon Musk's Next Potential $10 Trillion Move A highly secure site in West Texas now houses an emerging potential $10 trillion technology backed by Elon Musk and Sam Altman. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning. My name is Carmen, and I will be your host today. Welcome to Canfor and Canfor Pulp's fourth quarter analyst call. At this time, all lines have been placed to mute to prevent any background noise. A question-and-answer session will be available after today's presentation. During this call, Canfor and Canfor Pulp's Chief Financial Officer will be referring to a slide presentation that is available in the investor relations section of the company's website. Also, the companies would like to point out that this call will include forward-looking statements, so please refer to the press releases for the associated risk for such statements. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Susan Yurkovich, Canfor Corporation's President and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, Susan. Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:00:54Thank you Carmen, good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining the Canfor and Canfor Pulp Q4 2025 results conference call. I'll kick off with a few comments this morning before I turn things over to Stephen Mackie, Canfor's Chief Operating Officer and the CEO of Canfor Pulp, and Pat Elliott, Chief Financial Officer of Canfor Corporation and Canfor Pulp. I'm also joined by Kevin Pankratz, our Senior Vice President of Sales and Marketing for Canfor, and Brian Yuen, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for Canfor Pulp, who will be available to take questions as well. Before discussing our fourth quarter results, I just wanna highlight the significant transformation that Canfor has undertaken over the past several years. Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:01:35Our strategy is focused on strengthening our operating platform to reduce the impact of elevated duties, further diversify our asset base and product offering, and improve our cost competitiveness. In that vein, since 2023, we've made the difficult but necessary decisions to close nine high-cost sawmills, including two in 2025, with a total capacity of 2.3 billion board feet. At the same time, we've invested heavily in new facilities in the U.S. South, expanded our operations in Sweden, and proactively managed our Canadian business in response to the challenges we're seeing accessing economic fiber in BC and elevated countervailing and anti-dumping duties, as well as the more recent Section 232 tariffs. Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:02:23While 2025 was another challenging year, we have started to see the benefit of these strategic actions and that although the near-term uncertainty is likely to persist, Canfor is well-positioned to navigate the challenging markets supported by our high-quality, globally diversified operating platform. Looking ahead, we continue to believe the medium to long-term Lumber demand fundamentals remain strong, and the improvements to our asset base will enable us to capitalize on stronger market dynamics going forward. Finally, notwithstanding the current market uncertainty, we have maintained a strong balance sheet and have the flexibility to pursue strategic growth should the right opportunities present themselves, although we will continue to remain patient and disciplined in our approach. I'd now like to turn it over to Stephen to provide an overview of Canfor Pulp. Stephen MackieCOO and CEO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:03:14Thanks, Susan. Good morning, everyone. Canfor Pulp continues to be impacted by weak global Pulp and Paper markets, with ongoing trade disputes and broader economic uncertainty contributing to elevated inventory levels and weak pricing through much of 2025 and continuing into 2026. Against a challenging market backdrop, we continue to focus on achieving targeted cost reductions and improving our operating performance. While we have made some progress on identified initiatives in recent months, weak market conditions continue to weigh on our financial results and available liquidity, with results in the fourth quarter further impacted by scheduled maintenance downtime at Northwood. Notwithstanding the pending transaction with Canfor Pulp's management team remains committed to mitigating the impact of global trade dynamics and economic uncertainty by closely managing factors within our control. Stephen MackieCOO and CEO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:04:05This includes managing our balance sheet, preserving available liquidity, and continually assessing our operating footprint based on our cost structure, availability of economically viable fiber, and market demand. We'll now turn it over to Pat to provide an overview of our financial results. Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:04:22Thanks, Stephen, and morning, everyone. In my comments this morning, I'll speak to our fourth quarter financial highlights, a summary which is included in our overview slide presentation as always in the investor relations section of Canfor's website. Our Lumber business generated an adjusted EBITDA loss of CAD 8 million in the fourth quarter, CAD 6 million lower than the prior quarter. These results continued to reflect weak Lumber market conditions, particularly for southern yellow pine, as well as lower sales realizations in Canada following the introduction of Section 232 tariffs in the fourth quarter. Our European Lumber business generated adjusted EBITDA of CAD 42 million in 2025. However, weak demand and elevated log costs have contributed to losses in recent quarters. Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:05:05Given ongoing cost pressures in the region, we recorded a CAD 214 million asset write-down and impairment charge in the fourth quarter, which has been excluded from our adjusted EBITDA. Looking ahead, we have started to see improvements in our underlying cost structure in Sweden and remain well positioned to navigate the current market challenges. While we expect European demand to remain relatively flat in the first quarter, and strained Lumber supply across the region is anticipated to support higher pricing heading into the second quarter. In North America, industry-wide downtime in December has contributed to stronger Lumber pricing to start the year, particularly for southern yellow pine. Although near-term volatility is expected to persist, our Lumber business is well-positioned to navigate the current market dynamics, the transformation of our operating platform Susan previously mentioned. Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:05:55Turning to our Pulp business, Canfor Pulp reported adjusted EBITDA loss of CAD 17 million in the fourth quarter, CAD 14 million lower than the prior quarter, reflecting the ongoing impact of weak global markets as well as scheduled maintenance at Northwood. Canfor Pulp ended the quarter with net debt of CAD 104 million and CAD 40 million of available liquidity. Canfor, excluding Canfor Pulp and the duty loan completed in 2024, ended the fourth quarter with net debt of approximately CAD 226 million and available liquidity of CAD 1.2 billion. Looking ahead to 2026, we anticipate capital spend of approximately CAD 175 million in our Lumber business with CAD 35 million for Canfor Pulp, inclusive of capitalized maintenance. Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:06:41In addition, Canfor has also entered an agreement to acquire all of Canfor Pulp's issued and outstanding shares not already owned by the company and will receive the results of the shareholder vote later today. Following a write-down and impairment charge in the fourth quarter, it's highly probable that Canfor Pulp will reach its financial covenants in the first quarter, absent a successful transaction with Canfor. As Stephen mentioned, regardless of ownership structure, Canfor Pulp continues to review its underlying business as it looks to optimize and mitigate financial losses. Despite challenging market conditions and elevated capital spending in recent years, Canfor's balance sheet remains solid. With lower capital spending over the next several years, we believe our financial position provides flexibility to manage current market uncertainty and support potential strategic investments should the right opportunity arise. With that, we are now ready to take questions from analysts. Operator00:07:38We will now take questions from financial analysts. If you have a question, please press star one one on your telephone keypad and wait for your name to be announced. If you would like to withdraw your question at any time, please press star one one again. One moment for our first question. That comes from the line of Ben Isaacson with Scotiabank. Please proceed. Ben IsaacsonAnalyst at Scotiabank00:08:04Good morning, and thank you very much. Just a couple questions. First one, Susan, for you. Just in the Lumber market in North America overall, since the last conference call, three months ago, have you seen an uptick in distressed assets and potential assets available for sale in the marketplace? Sorry- Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:08:26Well- Ben IsaacsonAnalyst at Scotiabank00:08:26If not, are you surprised by that? Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:08:30Well, I think, you know, there's no question, Ben, that, you know, the elevated duties that we're all paying is it's a big challenge for every company. It's putting, you know, a lot of pressure on companies across the country as we, you know, 'cause those are cash deposits. You know, we know that that's a challenge. Have I done an inventory or I've asked all of our competitors exactly what their position is? No, I know it's a challenge for us, and it's a challenge for everybody across the business. Ben IsaacsonAnalyst at Scotiabank00:09:03Thank you for that. Pat, for you, the CAD 210 million in 2026 CapEx guidance, I saw the split between Lumber and Pulp, but can you give a little bit more detail in terms of maintenance versus growth? Maybe asking it in a different way, how much of that is discretionary? Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:09:25Yeah. Ben, thanks. I think we've already identified one project, the sawmill we bought in El Dorado, Arkansas. There's a rebuild going on there. There's a number of other sort of smaller, discrete projects within those. I'd say about 40% of the budget is on the discretionary side. The remainder is maintenance. Ben IsaacsonAnalyst at Scotiabank00:09:43Okay. On that discretionary, I mean, that seems quite committed. There's really not an opportunity for a pullback if markets deteriorate. Is that fair to say? Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:09:56Well, look, there's always opportunity to do that. I think we're committed to doing it. The balance sheet supports it. It's, you know, strategic, particularly in Arkansas as it relates to our facility there at Urbana as well, and the synergies that come with doing it and kind of having two mills in that region. I think we are gonna proceed with it, but that's more of a choice. Ben IsaacsonAnalyst at Scotiabank00:10:16Understood. Just final question is on the Pulp inventory days of about 47, I think you mentioned. Can you just give some historical context in terms of how much that has swung around in good times and bad? Patrick ElliottCFO at Canfor and Canfor Pulp00:10:34Yeah. Ben, thanks for the question. I would say for sure inventories on the softwood side are well above the balance range. If you use historically, that range has been in the high 30s to mid-40s at most. Again, assuming that balance is, you know, in terms of a balance, supply, demand, fundamental 40 days, we've got about a week's worth of inventory overhang sitting in the producer's hands. When you're talking about a 25 million ton market, that's about half a million tons in there. Ben IsaacsonAnalyst at Scotiabank00:11:10Understood. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. Operator00:11:13Thank you. As a reminder to our financial analysts, if you do have a question, press star one one to get in the queue. Our next question comes from Hamir Patel with CIBC Capital Markets. Please proceed. Now please check your mute button. Speakers, I do not hear any audio from Mr. Patel. Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:11:54No, we can't hear Hamir either. Operator00:11:58Mr. Patel, if you can hear us, please press star one one to get in the queue. Well, at this time, there are no further questions. I will turn the call back to Susan Yurkovich for any closing comments. Please go ahead, Susan. Susan YurkovichPresident and CEO at Canfor00:12:27Sure. Thanks, operator. Hamir, if you're having trouble with your phone, maybe just give us a call, and we'll try and help you out there. Thanks very much for joining us on today's call, and we'll see you next quarter. Operator00:12:41Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you very much for your participation. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesPatrick ElliottCFOStephen MackieCOO and CEOSusan YurkovichPresident and CEOAnalystsBen IsaacsonAnalyst at ScotiabankPowered by