NYSE:MFA MFA Financial Q1 2026 Earnings Report $9.44 +0.13 (+1.34%) Closing price 05/18/2026 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$9.44 +0.01 (+0.06%) As of 07:23 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast MFA Financial EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.30Consensus EPS $0.31Beat/MissMissed by -$0.01One Year Ago EPS$0.29MFA Financial Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$43.31 millionExpected Revenue$67.52 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$24.22 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AMFA Financial Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2026Date5/5/2026TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, May 5, 2026Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsMFA Financial's Q2 2026 earnings is estimated for Wednesday, August 5, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by MFA Financial Q1 2026 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 5, 2026 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Negative Sentiment: The first-quarter market shock from the war in Iran drove rates and spreads higher, producing a reported economic return of -1.2%, a GAAP loss of about $1 million, and $28.8 million of mark-to-market losses on the portfolio. Positive Sentiment: MFA grew its investment portfolio to $12.5 billion in Q1—adding ~$700 million of agencies (including TBAs), $471 million of non-QM loans, and $219 million of Lima One originations—and executed two non‑QM securitizations (a relever that unlocked ~$40 million of cash). Neutral Sentiment: Management introduced a new non‑GAAP metric—distributable earnings prior to realized credit losses—and reported DE of $0.30 per share, with guidance that DE should reconverge toward the $0.36 dividend later this year (timing remains uncertain). Positive Sentiment: Cost initiatives, including a corporate HQ relocation that incurred near‑term non‑cash charges (~$2.4M this quarter and ~$5M expected next quarter), are expected to deliver ~$4M per year in run‑rate savings and management says nearly $20M per year of overhead savings versus 2024 is achieved. Negative Sentiment: The legacy multifamily transitional portfolio remains a drag—about $101 million of capital tied up, delinquencies rose to 7.8% (now 7.3% post‑quarter), and management expects credit losses to accelerate in Q2 (mid‑to‑high‑teens on resolutions), which can cause quarter‑to‑quarter DE volatility (~$0.03–$0.04 swings). AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallMFA Financial Q1 202600:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the MFA Financial Q1 2026 financial results. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow for more presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference please press star zero on the telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Hal Schwartz, General Counsel, to begin. Thank you. Hal SchwartzSVP, General Counsel and Secretary at MFA Financial00:00:29Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. The information discussed on this conference call today may contain or refer to forward-looking statements regarding MFA Financial, Inc., which reflect management's beliefs, expectations, and assumptions as to MFA's future performance and operations. When used, statements that are not historical in nature, including those containing words such as will, believe, expect, anticipate, estimate, should, could, would, or similar expressions, are intended to identify forward-looking statements. All forward-looking statements speak only as of the date on which they are made. These types of statements are subject to various known and unknown risks, uncertainties, assumptions, and other factors, including those described in MFA's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2025, and other reports that it may file from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Hal SchwartzSVP, General Counsel and Secretary at MFA Financial00:01:20These risks, uncertainties, and other factors could cause MFA's actual results to differ materially from those projected, expressed, or implied in any forward-looking statements it makes. For additional information regarding MFA's use of forward-looking statements, please see the relevant disclosure in the press release announcing MFA's Q1 2026 results. Thank you for your time. I would now like to turn this call over to MFA's CEO, Craig Knutson. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:01:47Thank you, Hal. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for MFA Financial's Q1 2026 earnings call. With me today are Bryan Wulfsohn, our President and Chief Investment Officer, Michael Roper, our Chief Financial Officer, and other members of our senior management team. I will offer some general remarks on the macroeconomic and political landscapes and will then provide an update on MFA's business initiatives and portfolio activities. I'll turn the call over to Michael, followed by Bryan, before we open up the call for questions. Moving to market conditions in the Q1 of 2026, it was very much a tale of two market environments. Fixed income markets began the year with a continuation of strong investor demand and low volatility that we experienced in the H2 of 2025. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:02:41The economy continued to exhibit resiliency, and the labor market seemed to stabilize, particularly with a surprisingly robust January non-farm payroll print in early February. Mortgages performed particularly well, aided also by a directive for the GSEs to purchase $200 billion of agency mortgage-backed securities in early January. Unfortunately, the party ended abruptly with the onset of a war in Iran, which spiked volatility, pushed rates sharply higher, and dramatically raised oil prices. Higher energy prices renewed fears of inflation, and markets adjusted expectations for fewer or even no rate cuts later this year. Mortgage spreads widened significantly against this backdrop and contributed to an economic return for MFA in the Q1 of negative 1.2%. However, despite the market volatility and heightened geopolitical tension, markets remained open and orderly. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:03:46We priced two non-QM securitizations in March, and while spreads were modestly wider, the market functioned normally. This is a testament to the expansion, maturity, and depth of these markets over the last four years. The second of these two non-QM securitizations was a relever of two previous deals, which is a good example of what we often refer to as an underappreciated source of optionality that our ability to call these deals as they season and pay down, enabling us to lower borrowing costs and unlock additional capital. We grew our investment portfolio to $12.5 billion in the Q1, adding almost $700 million of agencies, including TBAs, $471 million of non-QM loans, and Lima One originated $219 million of business purpose loans. Our asset management team continues to work diligently to resolve delinquent loans in the portfolio. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:04:47This can be maddeningly time-consuming, but our team has been working out delinquent loans for over a decade, the majority of which were purchased as non-performing loans, and they're the best in the business at this and uniquely suited to the task. Finally, our listeners will recall that we began a program in the Q3 of last year to issue additional shares of our two outstanding preferred stock issues via an ATM and use the proceeds to repurchase common shares at a significant discount to book. While this program is modest in size thus far, this is very accretive, and importantly, because we are issuing equity in the form of preferred stock, we are not shrinking our equity base despite repurchasing common stock. Finally, we continue to pursue expense reductions both at MFA and at Lima One, which Mike will discuss shortly. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:05:41I will note that we have added an additional distributable earnings metric that we are introducing in response to requests from analysts and investors, distributable earnings prior to realized credit losses, and Mike will describe this in more detail shortly. We believe that this new DE metric offers a useful representation of how we think about the earnings power of the portfolio. For those of you that follow commercial mortgage REITs, this should be a very familiar concept. Taken together, MFA has a diversified business strategy that includes multiple attractive target asset classes with a robust ability to source these assets, a reliable and proven ability to obtain durable non-recourse leverage to generate attractive ROEs, a highly confident in-house asset management capability, a keen focus on expense management, and a demonstrated responsible capital issuance philosophy. I'll now turn the call over to Mike to discuss our financial results. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:06:44Thanks, Craig. Good morning, everyone. At March 31st, GAAP book value was $12.70 per share, and economic book value was $13.22 per share, each down approximately 3.8% from the end of 2025. MFA again paid a common dividend of $0.36 and delivered a quarterly total economic return of negative 1.2%. For the Q1, MFA generated a GAAP loss of approximately $1 million or $0.11 per basic common share. Our GAAP results for the quarter were adversely impacted by net mark-to-market losses on the portfolio of approximately $28.8 million, driven by higher rates and wider spreads than March 31st. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:07:26Net interest income for the quarter was $59.2 million, an increase from $55.5 million in the Q4, driven by rate cuts late last year and growth in our investment portfolio. These benefits were partially offset by interest income reversals totaling $3,500,000 associated with loans moving to non-accrual status in our transitional loan portfolio during the quarter. On the G&A front, we're happy to report that we again made significant progress with our cost reduction initiatives. In February, we entered into a series of agreements to relocate our corporate headquarters to a new location here in New York without paying any early lease termination fees. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:08:06As a result of these agreements, we expect some short-term noise in our reported G&A, including $2.4 million of accelerated non-cash depreciation expense recognized this quarter and an additional $5 million expected in the Q2. Following these accelerated non-cash charges, we expect to realize run rate expense reductions of approximately $4 million per year related to the move or nearly $40 million in total over the remaining term of our prior lease. Including the expected savings from the relocation, we now estimate that our expense reduction initiatives have achieved nearly $20 million per year of run rate overhead savings versus 2024 levels. Moving to our DE. Distributable earnings for the Q1 were approximately $31.1 million or $0.30 per share, up from $0.27 per share in the Q4. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:08:56The increase was primarily attributable to a $0.03 benefit associated with the lease modification and approximately $0.02 of higher mortgage banking income at Lima One. These benefits were partially offset by an aggregate $0.02 charge related to higher carrying costs on REO and higher realized credit losses on our fair value loans. We remain focused on growing ROEs, and we continue to expect that our DE will begin to reconverge with the level of our common dividend later this year. As Craig mentioned earlier, this quarter, we are introducing an additional non-GAAP measure which further adjusts our distributable earnings to exclude realized credit losses on our residential whole loans held at fair value. We are providing this new disclosure to give additional context around our distributable earnings as credit losses on our legacy multifamily portfolio continue to flow through our DE. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:09:47As we've noted on prior calls, because resolving NPLs doesn't impact our DE until long after the loan has been marked down in our GAAP results and book value, these losses can potentially obscure the current earnings power of the portfolio. While credit losses are a normal and recurring part of investing in credit assets, we expect that the resolution of the legacy multifamily portfolio and improvements in processes and underwriting more broadly at Lima One should result in significantly lower loss rates across more recent vintages of origination. As a result, we believe this new metric, alongside our reported GAAP results and our existing DE disclosure, can give investors a clearer view of the underlying earning capacity of our investment portfolio as we work through the resolution of these troubled legacy assets. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:10:34While the timing of loan resolutions and resultant credit charges can be difficult to reliably forecast, we expect to realize credit losses on the legacy transitional loan portfolio to accelerate meaningfully in the Q2 before beginning to normalize as we move through the back half of 2026 and into the H1 of 2027. As a result, we expect that the difference between DE and this new supplemental DE measure will narrow considerably over time, and we anticipate reassessing the usefulness of this new measure as the runoff transitional portfolio continues to wind down. Finally, subsequent to quarter end, we estimate that as of the close of business on Friday, our economic book value was approximately flat to the end of the Q1. I'd now like to turn the call over to Bryan, who will discuss our investment portfolio and Lima One. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:11:22Thanks, Mike. We acquired over $1 billion of residential mortgage assets in the Q1. This included $471 million of non-QM loans, nearly $400 million of agency securities in addition to $300 million of TBAs, and $219 million of business purpose loans originated by Lima One. Non-QM remains our largest asset class. During the quarter, we grew our non-QM book to $5.5 billion. We added $471 million new loans with an average coupon of 7% and an LTV of 68%. Although our portfolio has grown significantly in recent years, along with the broader non-QM industry, we remain highly focused on credit quality and continue to review every loan prior to acquisition. Credit performance in our non-QM book remains strong with a default rate just above 4%. During the quarter, we issued two securitizations. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:12:17First, in early March, we issued our 22nd non-QM deal, selling $326 million of bonds at an average coupon of 5.12%. The newly originated loans in that deal carry an average coupon above 7%. Later in March, we re-securitized over $400 million of seasoned non-QM loans that had been in two deals we issued several years ago. This relever unlocked approximately $40 million of cash and additional financing capacity. We expect this move to be accretive to our earnings moving forward. During the quarter, we continued to grow our agency portfolio, which now exceeds $3.5 billion in size. Our investments this quarter continue to focus on low pay-up spec pools. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:13:06After the escalation in the Middle East unleashed a broader sell-off, spreads widened by nearly 40 basis points from the tights. We took advantage of the volatility, establishing a $300 million TBA position in late March. Since quarter end, spreads have tightened about 10 basis points. We expect to add to the portfolio depending on market conditions and excess investment capacity. Turning to Lima One. Lima originated $219 million of business purpose loans during the Q1. This included $145 million of new transitional loans and $74 million of rental term loans. We continue to sell the longer duration rental loans at a premium to third-party investors. This quarter, we sold $81 million, generating $2.7 million of gain on sale income. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:13:57Mortgage banking income at Lima rose to $7.7 million, an increase of 34% from the Q4. During the quarter, Lima's monthly submissions and origination pipeline reached their highest level since 2024. With the recent opening of our wholesale channel and the relaunch of multifamily lending underway, we expect Lima's contribution to our earnings to grow from here. Lastly, touching on our credit performance. During the quarter, delinquencies rose in our residential loan portfolio to 7.8%. The increase was driven primarily by elevated default activity in our legacy multifamily book, which, as a reminder, has been in runoff mode for the past two years. We've made further progress shrinking that multifamily book and resolving non-performing loans since quarter end, our delinquency rate has already fallen back to 7.3%. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:14:53We look forward to recycling that capital back into income-producing assets as we move through the year. In summary, Q1 was a productive quarter for our investment platform. We grew the portfolio, we executed two non-QM securitizations, saw strong momentum at Lima One, and continued to move our credit borrowings towards non-mark-to-market financing. We believe the current environment positions us well for the year ahead. With that, we'll turn the call over to the operator for questions. Operator00:15:23Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we would like to begin the Q&A session. If you'd like to ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Once again, to ask a question, press star one on your phone. We'll pause for a moment while we pull for questions. Your first question comes from Bose George with KBW. Please state your question. Bose GeorgeAnalyst at KBW00:15:59Yes, good morning. actually, how much capital was tied up in the remaining multifamily transitional portfolio at quarter end? Does your guidance on the convergence between the EAD and the dividend sort of include the redeployment of that as well? Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:16:16Hey, Bose. Yes, to answer your second question first, the forward guidance on DE reconverging by the end of the year does include anticipated pay downs of some of the troubled assets and redeploying into our target assets. To answer your question on how much capital is locked in that multifamily book, it's just over $100 million, $101 million at the end of the quarter. Bose GeorgeAnalyst at KBW00:16:39Okay, great. Thanks. On the expenses, after the Q2, you know, and that sort of noise is over with the depreciation, what's kind of a decent run rate for expenses going forward? Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:16:53I think there's always a little bit of noise from quarter-to-quarter in our G&A for various reasons. You know, for example, this quarter we had about $4 million of accelerated non-cash stock-based comp charges, which is consistent with the Q1 of the past few years, and then the 2.4 of the accelerated depreciation. If you sort of take this quarter and sort of normalize for those one-timers, then that's about $0.01 a quarter for the or $1 million a quarter for the the lease changes, I think that's a pretty good start for you know, the run rate of G&A. Bose GeorgeAnalyst at KBW00:17:31Okay. Each 1Q will have that non-cash comp piece that kind of bumps it up a little bit. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:17:38Yeah, exactly. The accounting rules require us to expense awards made to retirement-eligible employees on the grant date, instead of over the three-year service period. Bose GeorgeAnalyst at KBW00:17:48Okay. Awesome. Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:17:53Your next question comes from Marissa Wilbos with UBS. Please state your question. Marissa WilbosAnalyst at UBS00:17:58Thank you, and good morning. On the Agency MBS portfolio, how should we think about it? Is it ultimately something that you're gonna rotate back into non-QM and BPL, or is this a strategic re-weighting in the portfolio? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:18:13Yeah. I would think we'll most likely have some exposure, but the level of exposure will be wound down a bit, you know, depending on the attractiveness on the credit side. As Lima does grow their production, you could expect that that agency, you know, portfolio as we receive pay downs, and we could also sell bonds to help fund the growth at Lima One, you know, in addition to non-QM purchases as well. Marissa WilbosAnalyst at UBS00:18:41Okay, great. For Lima One, you know, what is its posture on AI and automation? You know, it's servicing, underwriting. I mean, is there a cost target that you're willing to share for 2026, 2027 there? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:18:55I know we were, you know, trying to reduce G&A there by sort of 10+%. You know, we're sort of on the way doing that. We had some efficiencies gained in Q1. We are utilizing AI down there, you know, utilizing the, you know, Claude and Anthropic's AI infrastructure to help accelerate those moves. You know, it's unclear at what point, you know, if there was an exact percentage of cost reductions we can say AI will accrue to the business. You know, it's one of those things that we're exploring and will be sort of ongoing benefits as we utilize, you know, utilize the AI code and agents down there. Marissa WilbosAnalyst at UBS00:19:40Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:19:44Your next question comes from Matthew Erdner with JonesTrading. Please state your question. Matthew ErdnerAnalyst at JonesTrading00:19:49Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Like you touched on the multifamily, is there anything that specifically drove the delinquencies to increase quarter-over-quarter significantly? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:20:02Well, the whole portfolio is really, you know, the loan structure was the three year with sort of two year extensions. They're all really coming up on maturity and have been extended. You know, at this point, there might be some where the borrower's been out trying to get refinancing and they realize they can't get the same amount of proceeds that they borrowed initially. They're, you know, they sort of call it a day and we have to deal with the property or, you know, work out a mutual resolution. You know, really, I think it's the fact that they're sort of towards the end of the life, you're gonna see more, you know, delinquencies in certain cases where the borrower isn't able to refi or sell the property timely. Matthew ErdnerAnalyst at JonesTrading00:20:47Got it. You know, as it relates to that, you know, should we expect you guys to kind of bring some of these properties in, stabilize and then sell? Are you guys going to look for them to kind of just hit the market, go out, see what they can get and then, you know, move on from the asset? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:21:04I mean, it's really a case-by-case basis. Some assets we will, you know, try to stabilize where it makes sense, depending upon, you know, the time and capital required to do so. In some instances it just makes sense to, you know, hit the bid and move on. Matthew ErdnerAnalyst at JonesTrading00:21:19Got it. That's helpful. One last one for me as it relates to this. You know, I appreciate you throwing in the adjustment there for DE. You know, should we expect a number kind of similar to 3Q, 2Q of last year, you know, when you say, you expect the losses to accelerate meaningfully at 2Q? Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:21:39Yeah. you know, listen, as I said in my prepared remarks, it's really hard to have, you know, a reliable forecast of when exactly, you know, the losses are gonna hit. you know, every foreclosure is different, every borrower is different, and there can be some timing differences from, you know, quarter-to-quarter pretty easily. I think with that said, in the immediate term, and, you know, we expect this primarily in the Q2, you know, we're expecting somewhere in, call it, the high teens of credit losses on multifamily resolutions. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:22:11Like I said, it's part of the reason why, you know, our guidance is the back half of 2026 is, you know, one of these, you know, bad multifamily loans roll into the next quarter can be a, you know, $0.03 or $0.04 swing in DE or the timing of that resolution. You know, our base case is somewhere in the mid-to-high teens of credit losses for the Q2 before beginning to normalize in the back half of the year and into 2027. Matthew ErdnerAnalyst at JonesTrading00:22:36Got it. I appreciate the comments. That's helpful. Thank you, guys. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:22:40Thank you. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:22:41Thank you. Operator00:22:43Your next question comes from Mikhail Goberman with Citizens JMP. Please state your question. Mikhail GobermanAnalyst at Citizens JMP00:22:49Hey, good morning, guys. Hope everybody's doing well. If I could, just to clear up one thing. When you talk about distributable earnings converging with the $0.36 dividend in the latter half of the year, are you referring to the current $0.30 figure you printed in Q1 or the $0.34 prior realized credit losses figure? Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:23:12Yeah, that's referring to our $0.30 DE or the DE with loss adjustments. Mikhail GobermanAnalyst at Citizens JMP00:23:19Gotcha. Thank you for that. Sort of in, looking at the Lima One pipeline, what do you guys see the product mix of that going forward? Obviously a very good quarter to start the year. Do you guys see momentum picking up in Q2, Q3? Yeah, just kind of your thoughts on the product mix there going forward. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:23:46Right now the mix is really split between the transitional and the rentals. As we sort of bring wholesale more online, we could see growth on the rental side, which could accelerate. We're also seeing great growth on the transitional. When we said pipeline's sort of the highest it's been in the past couple years. That's ±$200 million at the moment. If you think about what pipeline can converts to actual loans, usually might be say 50% to 60% to 75%, depending on coupon timing, what have you. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:24:32That, you know, might go to like $100 million or plus or minus per month in the near term, and we still expect to grow from there. You know, one thing we haven't really hit upon yet is multifamily is relaunched, but the pipeline and submissions, it's really not including the multifamily figures. We still think it's, you know, sort of a, we're in slow growth mode. We looked at a lot of loans, but we haven't closed anything yet. You know, the hope is that as that really comes online, you know, maybe back half of the year, that could really help, you know, accelerate sort of the growth on top of what we're doing on the transitional and rental side. Mikhail GobermanAnalyst at Citizens JMP00:25:14Great. Thank you, guys. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:25:17Thanks, Mikhail. Thank you. Operator00:25:20Just a reminder to the audience, to ask a question, press star one on your phone. Your next question comes from Doug Harter with BTIG. Please state your question. Doug HarterAnalyst at BTIG00:25:31Thanks. On the transitional loans, if you could just remind us, sort of at what level those are marked and just how we should think about resolutions and, you know, working through that book and any impact that should have on book value? Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:25:49Yeah. I'll speak to the H2 of your question first. You know, we mark these loans every quarter to fair value, and that's not just, you know, what we would expect in a credit loss situation. It's what we think we could sell the loan for. You know, there's not a huge market for delinquent transitional loans. A loan rolling delinquent can have a pretty big impact on its fair value, even if, you know, we think the LTV is good enough to be PIF'd on that asset. As far as the, you know, the mark level, you know, I think as I kind of said a second ago, it's a story of, you know, the current loans versus the delinquent loans. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:26:25You know, the current loans with their, you know, call it 10%, 11% coupon tend to be marked just slightly below par, whereas the delinquent loans, it's really on a loan-by-loan basis. I think the weighted average for the portfolio, or I should say, the total discount for the portfolio in multifamily is just over $50 million. Then single family is probably closer to about $15 million-$20 million discount. Doug HarterAnalyst at BTIG00:26:55Great. I mean, I guess, it just depends on the ultimate resolution, but you feel like on the delinquent loans you've been fairly conservative? Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:27:06Yes, for sure. You know, we've always taken great pride in our marks process and have extreme confidence in the level of our marks. I think we've said over the last few quarters, that as we've resolved some of these delinquent loans, we're, you know, almost entirely generating gains. You know, this quarter we resolved another, I think it's a $160 million of delinquent loans. The P&L versus our prior mark on those assets generated a gain of about $14 million this quarter. You know, again, all of the empirical evidence, including where we've executed loan sales in prior quarters, gives us a lot of confidence in where we have these assets marked. Doug HarterAnalyst at BTIG00:27:43Great. Thank you. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:27:46Thanks, Doug. Operator00:27:49Thank you. There are no further questions at this time, so I'll hand it back to Craig Knutson for closing remarks. Thank you. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:27:57All right. Well, thanks everyone for your interest in MFA Financial, and we look forward to speaking with you again in August when we announce Q2 results. Operator00:28:07Thank you. That concludes today's call. All parties may disconnect. Have a good day.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesBryan WulfsohnPresident and CIOCraig KnutsonCEOHal SchwartzSVP, General Counsel and SecretaryMichael RoperCFOAnalystsBose GeorgeAnalyst at KBWDoug HarterAnalyst at BTIGMarissa WilbosAnalyst at UBSMatthew ErdnerAnalyst at JonesTradingMikhail GobermanAnalyst at Citizens JMPPowered by Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) MFA Financial Earnings HeadlinesMFA Financial, Inc. (NYSE:MFA) Receives Average Rating of "Hold" from AnalystsMay 17 at 4:43 AM | americanbankingnews.comMortgage rates steady as MFA Financial posts Q1 lossMay 12, 2026 | msn.comLouis Navellier: My #1 AI stock for 2026 (name & ticker inside)Louis Navellier's Stock Grader system helped him flag Nvidia before its 82,000% run and has identified the top S&P 500 stock for 12 years running—and today, he's giving away his #1 AI stock pick for 2026, free. 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Email Address About MFA FinancialMFA Financial (NYSE:MFA), headquartered in New York City, is a real estate investment trust that specializes in investing in residential mortgage loans and mortgage-related securities. The company’s primary objective is to generate attractive risk-adjusted returns through net interest income and capital appreciation. As a mortgage REIT, MFA Financial focuses on constructing a diversified portfolio of agency and non-agency residential mortgage assets, leveraging its expertise in acquiring, financing and servicing mortgage products. MFA Financial’s investment portfolio encompasses a wide range of mortgage instruments, including adjustable-rate and fixed-rate mortgage loans, interest-only securities, and agency mortgage-backed securities guaranteed by government-sponsored entities. The company engages in mortgage banking activities such as loan origination, securitization and servicing, seeking to optimize portfolio yields while managing liquidity and interest rate exposure. MFA Financial employs a disciplined risk management framework that emphasizes scenario analysis, hedging strategies and active portfolio monitoring to navigate changing market conditions. Established in the mid-1980s, MFA Financial has evolved to become a leading residential mortgage REIT. Over the years, the company has expanded its operations through strategic acquisitions and organic growth, adapting its investment approach to shifting regulatory and interest rate environments. MFA Financial’s status as a REIT enables it to deliver income-oriented returns to shareholders while complying with the regulatory requirements governing real estate investment trusts. Operating primarily within the United States, MFA Financial sources mortgage assets across diverse geographic markets and channels, including correspondent, wholesale and retail relationships. The company’s leadership team comprises mortgage finance and investment professionals with deep experience in credit analysis, securitization and portfolio management. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the MFA Financial Q1 2026 financial results. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow for more presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference please press star zero on the telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Hal Schwartz, General Counsel, to begin. Thank you. Hal SchwartzSVP, General Counsel and Secretary at MFA Financial00:00:29Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. The information discussed on this conference call today may contain or refer to forward-looking statements regarding MFA Financial, Inc., which reflect management's beliefs, expectations, and assumptions as to MFA's future performance and operations. When used, statements that are not historical in nature, including those containing words such as will, believe, expect, anticipate, estimate, should, could, would, or similar expressions, are intended to identify forward-looking statements. All forward-looking statements speak only as of the date on which they are made. These types of statements are subject to various known and unknown risks, uncertainties, assumptions, and other factors, including those described in MFA's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2025, and other reports that it may file from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Hal SchwartzSVP, General Counsel and Secretary at MFA Financial00:01:20These risks, uncertainties, and other factors could cause MFA's actual results to differ materially from those projected, expressed, or implied in any forward-looking statements it makes. For additional information regarding MFA's use of forward-looking statements, please see the relevant disclosure in the press release announcing MFA's Q1 2026 results. Thank you for your time. I would now like to turn this call over to MFA's CEO, Craig Knutson. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:01:47Thank you, Hal. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for MFA Financial's Q1 2026 earnings call. With me today are Bryan Wulfsohn, our President and Chief Investment Officer, Michael Roper, our Chief Financial Officer, and other members of our senior management team. I will offer some general remarks on the macroeconomic and political landscapes and will then provide an update on MFA's business initiatives and portfolio activities. I'll turn the call over to Michael, followed by Bryan, before we open up the call for questions. Moving to market conditions in the Q1 of 2026, it was very much a tale of two market environments. Fixed income markets began the year with a continuation of strong investor demand and low volatility that we experienced in the H2 of 2025. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:02:41The economy continued to exhibit resiliency, and the labor market seemed to stabilize, particularly with a surprisingly robust January non-farm payroll print in early February. Mortgages performed particularly well, aided also by a directive for the GSEs to purchase $200 billion of agency mortgage-backed securities in early January. Unfortunately, the party ended abruptly with the onset of a war in Iran, which spiked volatility, pushed rates sharply higher, and dramatically raised oil prices. Higher energy prices renewed fears of inflation, and markets adjusted expectations for fewer or even no rate cuts later this year. Mortgage spreads widened significantly against this backdrop and contributed to an economic return for MFA in the Q1 of negative 1.2%. However, despite the market volatility and heightened geopolitical tension, markets remained open and orderly. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:03:46We priced two non-QM securitizations in March, and while spreads were modestly wider, the market functioned normally. This is a testament to the expansion, maturity, and depth of these markets over the last four years. The second of these two non-QM securitizations was a relever of two previous deals, which is a good example of what we often refer to as an underappreciated source of optionality that our ability to call these deals as they season and pay down, enabling us to lower borrowing costs and unlock additional capital. We grew our investment portfolio to $12.5 billion in the Q1, adding almost $700 million of agencies, including TBAs, $471 million of non-QM loans, and Lima One originated $219 million of business purpose loans. Our asset management team continues to work diligently to resolve delinquent loans in the portfolio. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:04:47This can be maddeningly time-consuming, but our team has been working out delinquent loans for over a decade, the majority of which were purchased as non-performing loans, and they're the best in the business at this and uniquely suited to the task. Finally, our listeners will recall that we began a program in the Q3 of last year to issue additional shares of our two outstanding preferred stock issues via an ATM and use the proceeds to repurchase common shares at a significant discount to book. While this program is modest in size thus far, this is very accretive, and importantly, because we are issuing equity in the form of preferred stock, we are not shrinking our equity base despite repurchasing common stock. Finally, we continue to pursue expense reductions both at MFA and at Lima One, which Mike will discuss shortly. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:05:41I will note that we have added an additional distributable earnings metric that we are introducing in response to requests from analysts and investors, distributable earnings prior to realized credit losses, and Mike will describe this in more detail shortly. We believe that this new DE metric offers a useful representation of how we think about the earnings power of the portfolio. For those of you that follow commercial mortgage REITs, this should be a very familiar concept. Taken together, MFA has a diversified business strategy that includes multiple attractive target asset classes with a robust ability to source these assets, a reliable and proven ability to obtain durable non-recourse leverage to generate attractive ROEs, a highly confident in-house asset management capability, a keen focus on expense management, and a demonstrated responsible capital issuance philosophy. I'll now turn the call over to Mike to discuss our financial results. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:06:44Thanks, Craig. Good morning, everyone. At March 31st, GAAP book value was $12.70 per share, and economic book value was $13.22 per share, each down approximately 3.8% from the end of 2025. MFA again paid a common dividend of $0.36 and delivered a quarterly total economic return of negative 1.2%. For the Q1, MFA generated a GAAP loss of approximately $1 million or $0.11 per basic common share. Our GAAP results for the quarter were adversely impacted by net mark-to-market losses on the portfolio of approximately $28.8 million, driven by higher rates and wider spreads than March 31st. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:07:26Net interest income for the quarter was $59.2 million, an increase from $55.5 million in the Q4, driven by rate cuts late last year and growth in our investment portfolio. These benefits were partially offset by interest income reversals totaling $3,500,000 associated with loans moving to non-accrual status in our transitional loan portfolio during the quarter. On the G&A front, we're happy to report that we again made significant progress with our cost reduction initiatives. In February, we entered into a series of agreements to relocate our corporate headquarters to a new location here in New York without paying any early lease termination fees. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:08:06As a result of these agreements, we expect some short-term noise in our reported G&A, including $2.4 million of accelerated non-cash depreciation expense recognized this quarter and an additional $5 million expected in the Q2. Following these accelerated non-cash charges, we expect to realize run rate expense reductions of approximately $4 million per year related to the move or nearly $40 million in total over the remaining term of our prior lease. Including the expected savings from the relocation, we now estimate that our expense reduction initiatives have achieved nearly $20 million per year of run rate overhead savings versus 2024 levels. Moving to our DE. Distributable earnings for the Q1 were approximately $31.1 million or $0.30 per share, up from $0.27 per share in the Q4. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:08:56The increase was primarily attributable to a $0.03 benefit associated with the lease modification and approximately $0.02 of higher mortgage banking income at Lima One. These benefits were partially offset by an aggregate $0.02 charge related to higher carrying costs on REO and higher realized credit losses on our fair value loans. We remain focused on growing ROEs, and we continue to expect that our DE will begin to reconverge with the level of our common dividend later this year. As Craig mentioned earlier, this quarter, we are introducing an additional non-GAAP measure which further adjusts our distributable earnings to exclude realized credit losses on our residential whole loans held at fair value. We are providing this new disclosure to give additional context around our distributable earnings as credit losses on our legacy multifamily portfolio continue to flow through our DE. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:09:47As we've noted on prior calls, because resolving NPLs doesn't impact our DE until long after the loan has been marked down in our GAAP results and book value, these losses can potentially obscure the current earnings power of the portfolio. While credit losses are a normal and recurring part of investing in credit assets, we expect that the resolution of the legacy multifamily portfolio and improvements in processes and underwriting more broadly at Lima One should result in significantly lower loss rates across more recent vintages of origination. As a result, we believe this new metric, alongside our reported GAAP results and our existing DE disclosure, can give investors a clearer view of the underlying earning capacity of our investment portfolio as we work through the resolution of these troubled legacy assets. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:10:34While the timing of loan resolutions and resultant credit charges can be difficult to reliably forecast, we expect to realize credit losses on the legacy transitional loan portfolio to accelerate meaningfully in the Q2 before beginning to normalize as we move through the back half of 2026 and into the H1 of 2027. As a result, we expect that the difference between DE and this new supplemental DE measure will narrow considerably over time, and we anticipate reassessing the usefulness of this new measure as the runoff transitional portfolio continues to wind down. Finally, subsequent to quarter end, we estimate that as of the close of business on Friday, our economic book value was approximately flat to the end of the Q1. I'd now like to turn the call over to Bryan, who will discuss our investment portfolio and Lima One. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:11:22Thanks, Mike. We acquired over $1 billion of residential mortgage assets in the Q1. This included $471 million of non-QM loans, nearly $400 million of agency securities in addition to $300 million of TBAs, and $219 million of business purpose loans originated by Lima One. Non-QM remains our largest asset class. During the quarter, we grew our non-QM book to $5.5 billion. We added $471 million new loans with an average coupon of 7% and an LTV of 68%. Although our portfolio has grown significantly in recent years, along with the broader non-QM industry, we remain highly focused on credit quality and continue to review every loan prior to acquisition. Credit performance in our non-QM book remains strong with a default rate just above 4%. During the quarter, we issued two securitizations. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:12:17First, in early March, we issued our 22nd non-QM deal, selling $326 million of bonds at an average coupon of 5.12%. The newly originated loans in that deal carry an average coupon above 7%. Later in March, we re-securitized over $400 million of seasoned non-QM loans that had been in two deals we issued several years ago. This relever unlocked approximately $40 million of cash and additional financing capacity. We expect this move to be accretive to our earnings moving forward. During the quarter, we continued to grow our agency portfolio, which now exceeds $3.5 billion in size. Our investments this quarter continue to focus on low pay-up spec pools. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:13:06After the escalation in the Middle East unleashed a broader sell-off, spreads widened by nearly 40 basis points from the tights. We took advantage of the volatility, establishing a $300 million TBA position in late March. Since quarter end, spreads have tightened about 10 basis points. We expect to add to the portfolio depending on market conditions and excess investment capacity. Turning to Lima One. Lima originated $219 million of business purpose loans during the Q1. This included $145 million of new transitional loans and $74 million of rental term loans. We continue to sell the longer duration rental loans at a premium to third-party investors. This quarter, we sold $81 million, generating $2.7 million of gain on sale income. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:13:57Mortgage banking income at Lima rose to $7.7 million, an increase of 34% from the Q4. During the quarter, Lima's monthly submissions and origination pipeline reached their highest level since 2024. With the recent opening of our wholesale channel and the relaunch of multifamily lending underway, we expect Lima's contribution to our earnings to grow from here. Lastly, touching on our credit performance. During the quarter, delinquencies rose in our residential loan portfolio to 7.8%. The increase was driven primarily by elevated default activity in our legacy multifamily book, which, as a reminder, has been in runoff mode for the past two years. We've made further progress shrinking that multifamily book and resolving non-performing loans since quarter end, our delinquency rate has already fallen back to 7.3%. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:14:53We look forward to recycling that capital back into income-producing assets as we move through the year. In summary, Q1 was a productive quarter for our investment platform. We grew the portfolio, we executed two non-QM securitizations, saw strong momentum at Lima One, and continued to move our credit borrowings towards non-mark-to-market financing. We believe the current environment positions us well for the year ahead. With that, we'll turn the call over to the operator for questions. Operator00:15:23Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we would like to begin the Q&A session. If you'd like to ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Once again, to ask a question, press star one on your phone. We'll pause for a moment while we pull for questions. Your first question comes from Bose George with KBW. Please state your question. Bose GeorgeAnalyst at KBW00:15:59Yes, good morning. actually, how much capital was tied up in the remaining multifamily transitional portfolio at quarter end? Does your guidance on the convergence between the EAD and the dividend sort of include the redeployment of that as well? Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:16:16Hey, Bose. Yes, to answer your second question first, the forward guidance on DE reconverging by the end of the year does include anticipated pay downs of some of the troubled assets and redeploying into our target assets. To answer your question on how much capital is locked in that multifamily book, it's just over $100 million, $101 million at the end of the quarter. Bose GeorgeAnalyst at KBW00:16:39Okay, great. Thanks. On the expenses, after the Q2, you know, and that sort of noise is over with the depreciation, what's kind of a decent run rate for expenses going forward? Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:16:53I think there's always a little bit of noise from quarter-to-quarter in our G&A for various reasons. You know, for example, this quarter we had about $4 million of accelerated non-cash stock-based comp charges, which is consistent with the Q1 of the past few years, and then the 2.4 of the accelerated depreciation. If you sort of take this quarter and sort of normalize for those one-timers, then that's about $0.01 a quarter for the or $1 million a quarter for the the lease changes, I think that's a pretty good start for you know, the run rate of G&A. Bose GeorgeAnalyst at KBW00:17:31Okay. Each 1Q will have that non-cash comp piece that kind of bumps it up a little bit. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:17:38Yeah, exactly. The accounting rules require us to expense awards made to retirement-eligible employees on the grant date, instead of over the three-year service period. Bose GeorgeAnalyst at KBW00:17:48Okay. Awesome. Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:17:53Your next question comes from Marissa Wilbos with UBS. Please state your question. Marissa WilbosAnalyst at UBS00:17:58Thank you, and good morning. On the Agency MBS portfolio, how should we think about it? Is it ultimately something that you're gonna rotate back into non-QM and BPL, or is this a strategic re-weighting in the portfolio? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:18:13Yeah. I would think we'll most likely have some exposure, but the level of exposure will be wound down a bit, you know, depending on the attractiveness on the credit side. As Lima does grow their production, you could expect that that agency, you know, portfolio as we receive pay downs, and we could also sell bonds to help fund the growth at Lima One, you know, in addition to non-QM purchases as well. Marissa WilbosAnalyst at UBS00:18:41Okay, great. For Lima One, you know, what is its posture on AI and automation? You know, it's servicing, underwriting. I mean, is there a cost target that you're willing to share for 2026, 2027 there? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:18:55I know we were, you know, trying to reduce G&A there by sort of 10+%. You know, we're sort of on the way doing that. We had some efficiencies gained in Q1. We are utilizing AI down there, you know, utilizing the, you know, Claude and Anthropic's AI infrastructure to help accelerate those moves. You know, it's unclear at what point, you know, if there was an exact percentage of cost reductions we can say AI will accrue to the business. You know, it's one of those things that we're exploring and will be sort of ongoing benefits as we utilize, you know, utilize the AI code and agents down there. Marissa WilbosAnalyst at UBS00:19:40Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:19:44Your next question comes from Matthew Erdner with JonesTrading. Please state your question. Matthew ErdnerAnalyst at JonesTrading00:19:49Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Like you touched on the multifamily, is there anything that specifically drove the delinquencies to increase quarter-over-quarter significantly? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:20:02Well, the whole portfolio is really, you know, the loan structure was the three year with sort of two year extensions. They're all really coming up on maturity and have been extended. You know, at this point, there might be some where the borrower's been out trying to get refinancing and they realize they can't get the same amount of proceeds that they borrowed initially. They're, you know, they sort of call it a day and we have to deal with the property or, you know, work out a mutual resolution. You know, really, I think it's the fact that they're sort of towards the end of the life, you're gonna see more, you know, delinquencies in certain cases where the borrower isn't able to refi or sell the property timely. Matthew ErdnerAnalyst at JonesTrading00:20:47Got it. You know, as it relates to that, you know, should we expect you guys to kind of bring some of these properties in, stabilize and then sell? Are you guys going to look for them to kind of just hit the market, go out, see what they can get and then, you know, move on from the asset? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:21:04I mean, it's really a case-by-case basis. Some assets we will, you know, try to stabilize where it makes sense, depending upon, you know, the time and capital required to do so. In some instances it just makes sense to, you know, hit the bid and move on. Matthew ErdnerAnalyst at JonesTrading00:21:19Got it. That's helpful. One last one for me as it relates to this. You know, I appreciate you throwing in the adjustment there for DE. You know, should we expect a number kind of similar to 3Q, 2Q of last year, you know, when you say, you expect the losses to accelerate meaningfully at 2Q? Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:21:39Yeah. you know, listen, as I said in my prepared remarks, it's really hard to have, you know, a reliable forecast of when exactly, you know, the losses are gonna hit. you know, every foreclosure is different, every borrower is different, and there can be some timing differences from, you know, quarter-to-quarter pretty easily. I think with that said, in the immediate term, and, you know, we expect this primarily in the Q2, you know, we're expecting somewhere in, call it, the high teens of credit losses on multifamily resolutions. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:22:11Like I said, it's part of the reason why, you know, our guidance is the back half of 2026 is, you know, one of these, you know, bad multifamily loans roll into the next quarter can be a, you know, $0.03 or $0.04 swing in DE or the timing of that resolution. You know, our base case is somewhere in the mid-to-high teens of credit losses for the Q2 before beginning to normalize in the back half of the year and into 2027. Matthew ErdnerAnalyst at JonesTrading00:22:36Got it. I appreciate the comments. That's helpful. Thank you, guys. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:22:40Thank you. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:22:41Thank you. Operator00:22:43Your next question comes from Mikhail Goberman with Citizens JMP. Please state your question. Mikhail GobermanAnalyst at Citizens JMP00:22:49Hey, good morning, guys. Hope everybody's doing well. If I could, just to clear up one thing. When you talk about distributable earnings converging with the $0.36 dividend in the latter half of the year, are you referring to the current $0.30 figure you printed in Q1 or the $0.34 prior realized credit losses figure? Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:23:12Yeah, that's referring to our $0.30 DE or the DE with loss adjustments. Mikhail GobermanAnalyst at Citizens JMP00:23:19Gotcha. Thank you for that. Sort of in, looking at the Lima One pipeline, what do you guys see the product mix of that going forward? Obviously a very good quarter to start the year. Do you guys see momentum picking up in Q2, Q3? Yeah, just kind of your thoughts on the product mix there going forward. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:23:46Right now the mix is really split between the transitional and the rentals. As we sort of bring wholesale more online, we could see growth on the rental side, which could accelerate. We're also seeing great growth on the transitional. When we said pipeline's sort of the highest it's been in the past couple years. That's ±$200 million at the moment. If you think about what pipeline can converts to actual loans, usually might be say 50% to 60% to 75%, depending on coupon timing, what have you. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and CIO at MFA Financial00:24:32That, you know, might go to like $100 million or plus or minus per month in the near term, and we still expect to grow from there. You know, one thing we haven't really hit upon yet is multifamily is relaunched, but the pipeline and submissions, it's really not including the multifamily figures. We still think it's, you know, sort of a, we're in slow growth mode. We looked at a lot of loans, but we haven't closed anything yet. You know, the hope is that as that really comes online, you know, maybe back half of the year, that could really help, you know, accelerate sort of the growth on top of what we're doing on the transitional and rental side. Mikhail GobermanAnalyst at Citizens JMP00:25:14Great. Thank you, guys. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:25:17Thanks, Mikhail. Thank you. Operator00:25:20Just a reminder to the audience, to ask a question, press star one on your phone. Your next question comes from Doug Harter with BTIG. Please state your question. Doug HarterAnalyst at BTIG00:25:31Thanks. On the transitional loans, if you could just remind us, sort of at what level those are marked and just how we should think about resolutions and, you know, working through that book and any impact that should have on book value? Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:25:49Yeah. I'll speak to the H2 of your question first. You know, we mark these loans every quarter to fair value, and that's not just, you know, what we would expect in a credit loss situation. It's what we think we could sell the loan for. You know, there's not a huge market for delinquent transitional loans. A loan rolling delinquent can have a pretty big impact on its fair value, even if, you know, we think the LTV is good enough to be PIF'd on that asset. As far as the, you know, the mark level, you know, I think as I kind of said a second ago, it's a story of, you know, the current loans versus the delinquent loans. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:26:25You know, the current loans with their, you know, call it 10%, 11% coupon tend to be marked just slightly below par, whereas the delinquent loans, it's really on a loan-by-loan basis. I think the weighted average for the portfolio, or I should say, the total discount for the portfolio in multifamily is just over $50 million. Then single family is probably closer to about $15 million-$20 million discount. Doug HarterAnalyst at BTIG00:26:55Great. I mean, I guess, it just depends on the ultimate resolution, but you feel like on the delinquent loans you've been fairly conservative? Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:27:06Yes, for sure. You know, we've always taken great pride in our marks process and have extreme confidence in the level of our marks. I think we've said over the last few quarters, that as we've resolved some of these delinquent loans, we're, you know, almost entirely generating gains. You know, this quarter we resolved another, I think it's a $160 million of delinquent loans. The P&L versus our prior mark on those assets generated a gain of about $14 million this quarter. You know, again, all of the empirical evidence, including where we've executed loan sales in prior quarters, gives us a lot of confidence in where we have these assets marked. Doug HarterAnalyst at BTIG00:27:43Great. Thank you. Michael RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:27:46Thanks, Doug. Operator00:27:49Thank you. There are no further questions at this time, so I'll hand it back to Craig Knutson for closing remarks. Thank you. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:27:57All right. Well, thanks everyone for your interest in MFA Financial, and we look forward to speaking with you again in August when we announce Q2 results. Operator00:28:07Thank you. That concludes today's call. All parties may disconnect. Have a good day.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesBryan WulfsohnPresident and CIOCraig KnutsonCEOHal SchwartzSVP, General Counsel and SecretaryMichael RoperCFOAnalystsBose GeorgeAnalyst at KBWDoug HarterAnalyst at BTIGMarissa WilbosAnalyst at UBSMatthew ErdnerAnalyst at JonesTradingMikhail GobermanAnalyst at Citizens JMPPowered by