BWX Technologies Q2 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Strong quarterly results and raised guidance: Second-quarter revenue rose 18%, adjusted EBITDA increased 7%, and adjusted EPS grew 5%. BWXT raised its 2026 adjusted EBITDA guidance to $662 million–$672 million, EPS guidance to $4.70–$4.80, and free cash flow guidance to $345 million–$360 million.
  • Positive Sentiment: Robust demand and backlog growth: Backlog reached $8.4 billion, up 40% year over year, with a trailing-12-month book-to-bill ratio of 1.7x. Management said it expects a credible opportunity to secure at least one new-build nuclear equipment order before year-end.
  • Positive Sentiment: Portfolio simplification and strategic focus: BWXT agreed to sell more than 80% of its medical and stable-isotope enrichment businesses to Nordic Capital for $750 million upfront and up to $800 million, while retaining a 20% minority stake. The transaction is intended to focus capital and management resources on national security and commercial nuclear power.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Commercial nuclear capacity investments will weigh on near-term margins: Commercial Operations revenue grew 72% and adjusted EBITDA more than doubled, but 2026 segment margin guidance was reduced to approximately 13% from 14% as BWXT invests in U.S. capacity, PCG integration, Canadian operations, and additional executive talent.
  • Positive Sentiment: Long-term growth opportunities are expanding: The company cited support from U.S. and Canadian nuclear initiatives, a more consistent U.S. aircraft-carrier procurement cadence, advanced nuclear fuel milestones, and potential mPower licensing and manufacturing agreements. BWXT also expects to decide soon on a deep-water U.S. commercial manufacturing site to produce large reactor components.
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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to BWX Technologies' second quarter 2026 earnings consensus call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the company's prepared remarks, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will be given at that time. I would now like to turn the call over to our host, Chase Jacobson, BWXT's Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Chase Jacobson
VP of Investor Relations at BWXT

Thank you, operator. Good evening. Welcome to today's call. Joining me are Rex Geveden, President and CEO, and Mike Fitzgerald, Senior Vice President and CFO. On today's call, we'll reference the second quarter 2026 earnings presentation that is available on the investor section of the BWXT website. We will also discuss certain matters that constitute forward-looking statements. These statements involve risks and uncertainties, including those described in the safe harbor provision found in the investor materials in the company's SEC filings. We will frequently discuss non-GAAP financial measures, which are reconciled to GAAP measures in the appendix of the earnings presentation that can be found on the investor section of the BWXT website. I would now like to turn the call over to Rex.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Thank you, Chase. Good evening to all of you. We delivered another strong quarter characterized by excellent execution across the company and continued momentum in commercial nuclear. Revenue increased 18%, including 9% organic growth. Adjusted EBITDA grew 7%, and adjusted earnings per share increased 5%. Demand for nuclear solution continues to build across the national security and global commercial power markets. We are benefiting from that demand today and believe the industry is in the early stages of a multi-decade super cycle of growth. BWXT faces the market from a position of strength, with exposure across the nuclear value chain. Our naval propulsion, technical services, special materials, and commercial nuclear aftermarket businesses provide a highly predictable base of revenue and earnings.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Combined with more than 75 years of nuclear experience, specialized qualifications, established infrastructure, and approximately 11,000 employees, these capabilities create a competitive position that is exceptionally difficult to replicate. Still, we are taking disciplined actions to further strengthen our market position and capture the opportunities ahead. We announced the sale of our medical business to Nordic Capital at a valuation of up to $800 million. The transaction results in the sale of just over 80% of BWXT's medical and Kinectrics stable isotope enrichment businesses. BWXT will retain a minority equity interest and continue to provide certain specialty manufacturing services following the close. Notably, the transaction does not include our Isogen joint venture with Framatome, which provides irradiation services through Bruce Power.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

While we remain optimistic about the long-term nuclear medicine market, this transaction enables BWXT to sharpen its focus on our core nuclear national security and commercial nuclear power businesses while placing the medical business with an owner dedicated to accelerating its growth. We believe this creates compelling value for both organizations. We also completed the acquisition of Precision Components Group in early July. While the majority of PCG's current revenue and backlog is tied to the U.S. Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program, it also has a history of serving the commercial nuclear power market, including components for AP1000s, thereby establishing an important commercial nuclear manufacturing platform for BWXT in the U.S. Customer feedback on the acquired capabilities has been very positive. PCG also creates opportunities to bring outsourced work in-house to capture supply chain profits, alleviate capacity constraints, and generate near-term synergies.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Beyond PCG, we are evaluating the next phase of our U.S. commercial manufacturing expansion. In addition to Mount Vernon, Indiana, which we discussed before, because our closing timeline with PCG accelerated, we now have attractive potential East Coast locations that could leverage PCG's real estate and workforce and accelerate our time to market. Importantly, whichever side we choose will have the deep water port access necessary to serve the global nuclear power market with large components such as steam generators and Reactor Pressure Vessels, complementing PCG's capabilities for medium-sized components and enhancing our merchant supplier role. In May, we were awarded a $21 million award from the DOE to support our domestic manufacturing capacity expansion, we expect to reach a final investment decision in the coming months.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Supporting this strategy is a growing pipeline of heavy nuclear equipment proposals with multiple SMR and large reactor OEMs across a spectrum of technologies. In the United States, we are encouraged by the administration's continued efforts to accelerate nuclear deployment, streamline licensing, support project developers, and strengthen the domestic industrial base. In recent months, the DOE's Energy Dominance Financing Office announced a $17.5 billion loan commitment supporting long lead nuclear equipment procurement for AP1000 projects, an initiative that aligns well with our capabilities. We also see momentum across multiple government-backed SMR programs. International demand is equally compelling. Canada recently released its nuclear strategy, contemplating up to 10 new large nuclear reactors over the coming decades, in addition to the SMR deployments and CANDU life extension programs already underway, which BWXT is actively supporting.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Across Europe, energy security continues to drive demand for new nuclear power, creating opportunities across countries including Poland, Bulgaria, the United Kingdom, Sweden, and other markets. Taken together, these developments reinforce our confidence in sustained global nuclear growth. BWXT is investing now to extend our market position and capitalize on this expanding opportunity set. Turning now to our results and market outlook. We ended the quarter with backlog of $8.4 billion, an increase of 40% year-over-year. Although backlog was modestly lower than last quarter, the timing of large multi-year contract awards can result in normal sequential backlog fluctuations. On a trailing 12-month basis, our book-to-bill is a robust 1.7x, demonstrating the strength of customer demand. In segments, government operations delivered another strong quarter with strong margins attributable to outstanding operational execution and productivity improvements. In May, the Navy released its updated 30-year shipbuilding plan.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

The plan calls for a sustained production of two Virginia-class submarines and one Columbia-class submarine annually. Importantly, the plan also accelerates Ford-class aircraft carriers to a four-year procurement cadence. Over time, this should improve manufacturing volume stability and efficiency compared with the five-year ordering cadence under which we have been operating. The plan also introduces a nuclear power battleship. While this program will require further design work and congressional authorization, we are actively engaged with our customer and stand ready to support the mission as requirements develop. Our technical services business continues to earn strong performance ratings while supporting 14 major programs for the DOE and NNSA in the U.S. and the Canadian National Labs. Within special materials, our two largest growth programs, Defense Fuels Enrichment and High Purity Depleted Uranium, are progressing well.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Our enrichment program is moving quickly, we remain closely engaged with the NNSA on this strategically important capability. At our centrifuge manufacturing development facility, we are on schedule to deliver an operational prototype centrifuge this year. In Jonesborough, Tennessee, engineering design and site prep for our new HPDU plants are moving along nicely as we prepare to initiate construction. This program should contribute meaningfully to government operations revenue growth in the second half of the year. These new factories will incorporate advanced automation, digital manufacturing, and AI-enabled capabilities that will serve as a blueprint for the continued modernization of our entire manufacturing footprint. Advanced Nuclear also had an active quarter. In June, Antares Mark-0 reactor became the first advanced reactor to achieve criticality under the administration's reforming nuclear reactor testing executive order, utilizing TRISO fuel and HALEU supplied by BWXT.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

This milestone demonstrates our leadership in advanced nuclear fuels and highlights growing customer demand for our capabilities. As advanced reactor deployments accelerate, including through the potential Janus program, we continue to evaluate a commercial TRISO investment in Wyoming through our collaboration with Kairos. We executed multiple agreements related to our mPower technology as well. These align with our strategy of serving as a merchant supplier of large critical components for SMRs, while creating additional value from our legacy design efforts through licensing agreements. We signed an exclusive land-based licensing agreement with Applied Atomics, wherein they will lead and fund the completion of the design and licensing process. Under the agreement, BWXT will be contracted to provide support during that process and retains exclusive manufacturing rights, royalty rights, and the intellectual property.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

We also announced a feasibility study with Core Power to evaluate the use of mPower technology for floating nuclear power platforms serving offshore energy markets, where we are seeing demand from multiple parties. The study will inform potential engineering scope, regulatory engagement, commercial structure, and next steps. These arrangements followed extended discussions and a deliberate evaluation of potential partners and applications. We believe Applied Atomics and Core Power are well suited to advance mPower in their respective markets and unlock value from the technology. Turning now to Commercial Operations, which delivered another strong quarter. Organic revenue increased 33%. Total revenue grew more than 70%, and adjusted EBITDA more than doubled. Performance was driven by exceptional growth in commercial nuclear power and nuclear medicine, with additional contribution from Kinectrics. As I discussed, demand for commercial nuclear equipment and services remains exceptionally strong.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

We continue pursuing opportunities with multiple reactor vendors around the world. Although award timing can be difficult to predict, our customer discussions are advancing, and we believe there's a credible opportunity to secure at least one new build nuclear equipment order before the year-end. As demand builds, we are investing in our facilities, workforce, and capabilities. These investments will moderate near-term margin expansion, but they are essential to establishing the industrial scale required to lead this market and support our customers over the long term. With that, I will now turn the call over to Mike.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

Thanks, Rex, and good evening, everyone. I'll begin with total company financial highlights on slide four of the earnings presentation. Second quarter revenue was $902 million, up 18% year-over-year, including 9% organic growth. Strong commercial operations performance was complemented by steady growth in government operations. Adjusted EBITDA increased 7% to $156 million, driven by robust commercial operations growth, partially offset by lower government operations adjusted EBITDA and higher corporate expense. Adjusted earnings per share increased 5% to $1.7, driven entirely by operating performance, as non-operating items were a net neutral compared to last year. Our adjusted effective tax rate for the quarter was 21.8%, up modestly from last year due to stronger growth in international markets. Second quarter free cash flow was $115 million, supported by solid earnings, strong advanced billings, and disciplined working capital management, partially offset by the timing of tax payments.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

Given our strong year-to-date performance and visibility into second-half milestones, we are raising full-year free cash flow guidance by $30 million to a range of $345 million-$360 million. Capital expenditures in the quarter were $41 million. We continue to expect our full-year capital expenditures of approximately 6% of sales, with increased investment in U.S. commercial capacity during the second half of the year. As discussed last quarter, capital expenditures could approach 7% of sales in future years as we expand commercial capacity and add capabilities in advanced nuclear and nuclear fuel. Moving to the segment results on slide six. Government operations revenue increased 2% as growth in special materials enabled propulsion more than offset lower microreactor volumes. Adjusted EBITDA in the segment was $126 million, resulting in an adjusted EBITDA margin of 20.9%, driven by solid operational performance across the segment and higher technical services group equity income.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

Turning to commercial operations, revenue increased 72%, including 33% organic growth, reflecting increases across commercial power and medical with an additional contribution from Kinectrics as we passed the one-year anniversary of the acquisition in mid-May. Results reflected higher Canadian field services and aftermarket activity, along with increased revenue at Kinectrics. Adjusted EBITDA more than doubled to $36 million, an increase of 123% from last year. Adjusted EBITDA margin in the quarter was 11.9% as higher volume and strong execution more than offset continued investments to scale the business for future growth. Turning to our updated 2026 guidance on slide seven and eight of the earnings presentation. We now expect revenue of approximately $3.8 billion, representing high teens growth compared to 2025. We are raising our adjusted EBITDA guidance by $10 million at the midpoint to a range of $662 million-$672 million.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

The increase reflects strong year-to-date execution and our expectation of continued improvement over the next two quarters. Looking at the segments. In Government Operations, we now expect revenue growth in the high single digits compared with our previous expectation of low teens growth. This revision reflects stronger cost performance, particularly on HPDU, as well as broader operational efficiency gains. Improved cost performance under our accounting rules results in lower reported revenue, but an overall favorable economic outcome. As a result, based on our strong year-to-date performance and outlook for the remainder of the year, we are raising adjusted EBITDA margin guidance to approximately 20.5% from greater than 19%, yielding higher expected adjusted EBITDA dollars. In Commercial Operations, we're increasing our revenue growth outlook to approximately 45% from approximately 30% previously.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

Slightly more than half of the increase reflects the PCG acquisition, with the balance driven by stronger organic growth in commercial power and modestly improved Kinectrics performance. We now expect Commercial Operations adjusted EBITDA margin of approximately 13%, compared with approximately 14% previously. The revision reflects incremental investments in U.S. capacity expansion, including at PCG, as well as continued investment in Canada. These investments position the segment to capture a growing pipeline of long-term opportunities. For modeling purposes, as you look toward 2027, on an annualized basis, we expect the medical businesses included in the sale to Nordic Capital to represent approximately $130 million of 2026 revenue at a margin that is modestly accretive to the Commercial segment average. Following the transaction, we will account for our retained minority interest through equity income with no associated revenue.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

These assumptions result in updated 2026 non-GAAP earnings per share guidance of $4.70-$4.80. The increase from our prior guidance is driven entirely by stronger operating earnings. On a quarterly basis, given normal seasonality in Commercial Operations and the timing of new program ramps in Government Operations, we expect approximately 55% of second half earnings to be generated in the fourth quarter. Overall, we delivered another strong quarter and are raising our financial outlook for the year. Our robust backlog, expanding opportunity pipeline, strong cash generation, and continued focus on execution give us increasing confidence in our 2026 performance and long-term growth trajectory. With that, I will turn it back to Rex for closing remarks.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Thanks, Mike. As I discussed in my prepared remarks, BWXT faces the nuclear market from a position of strength. Our capabilities span across the nuclear value chain. We have a remarkably robust business foundation, and demand for our solutions continues to grow. With the announced sale of our medical business, we are sharpening the focus on our core nuclear National Security and Commercial Nuclear Power Markets, and will have even greater financial capacity to invest in the future of BWXT and capitalize on the powerful secular trends driving the nuclear market. I believe this is just the beginning, and I am increasingly confident in our long-term growth prospects and our ability to drive shareholder value, which we look forward to discussing more at our upcoming Investor Day in September. With that, we look forward to your questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you will need to press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. We do request for today's session that you please limit to one question and one follow-up. Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Bob Labick with CJS Securities. Your line is open.

Bob Labick
Bob Labick
Analyst at CJS Securities

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking our questions, and congratulations on the quarter and on the medical sale as well.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Thank you, Bob.

Bob Labick
Bob Labick
Analyst at CJS Securities

Sure. It's got to be a little bittersweet. It's obviously been performing very well, but it certainly lets you hone your focus. You gave us the P&L impact, so thank you for that. I guess first question is just, can you just talk about the deal a little bit more and what the considerations are to reach "up to $800 million"? What's the downside? What's the range of the sale outcomes, and what are the drivers of that range?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah, I'll start with maybe a little bit of strategic context, Bob, and then flip it over to Mike here. A few points. First, that asset wasn't for sale. We certainly weren't going through strategic considerations there. We were approached by the buyer, and they came forward with a very compelling offer financially, but I think an even more compelling strategic growth story for that asset. It became clear to us pretty early in that process that those assets would be better off in the hands of a strategic player that has a focus on the medical market. Nordic has a lot of history in the medical market, and they understand that and are committed to it. As I said in the prepared remarks, we still like that market, and we will maintain a 20% equity stake in those assets going forward.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

It does, and I said this twice in the prepared remarks, certainly liberates us to focus more on the National Nuclear Security and commercial nuclear markets, where we've got abundant opportunities to grow both. There's some room to invest in both and concentrate resources on both of those areas. The medical was 3% of our total sales and required certainly an outsized management attention relative to its place in our portfolio. In the end, we can't shoot at everything that moves. We've got to manage our resources appropriately. It was the right time to sell it for those reasons. Maybe I'll flip it over to Mike here to talk about the financial considerations.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

From an outcome perspective, the deal includes $750 million of consideration, and then there's some shared economics that allow you to get up to $800 million. As we said in the prepared remarks, this includes both the legacy BWXT medical business, but it also includes part of the stable isotope business for Kinectrics. That is not the entire portfolio of nuclear medicine related to medical isotopes for Kinectrics, but it does include kind of the stable isotope production. We still will complete work around design support, chemical analysis, hot cells, things of that nature. If you look at total revenue of approximately $130 million for 2026, we've discussed before that that's going to be at a modestly accretive margin compared to the segment. You can do the math on kind of the implied multiple valuation.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

We felt very comfortable with the offer, and we fully believe that we can get up to the $800 million consideration. It's an enticing deal even at $750.

Bob Labick
Bob Labick
Analyst at CJS Securities

Okay, super. Congratulations. Just, I guess, for my follow-up, just shifting a little bit. With PCG closed, can you talk a little bit about the timing? I know there's incremental capacity there. The timing and what's necessary for you to be able to update that incremental capacity to get it in so that you can use that for your U.S. nuclear work and growth there.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah, Bob, I would say that'll be something that'll unfold over the next few quarters. We've got to assess our portfolio and see what we're going to tuck in over there at PCG and also see what the capital needs are. It's certainly something that we're working on in earnest right now. Will unfold over the next, let's call it year.

Bob Labick
Bob Labick
Analyst at CJS Securities

Okay, great. I'll get back in line. Thank you.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Deuschle with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Scott Deuschle
Scott Deuschle
Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Hi, good evening. Rex, you made a comment in your prepared remarks that you expect at least one new nuclear equipment order by year-end. Can you specify if that was a gigawatt class order you expect, or is that more connected with SMRs?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

I think it's certainly in among those opportunities, Scott. We certainly expect to get a second half order among the opportunities for the three SMRs, additional SMRs at the Darlington site, the AP1000 opportunities, and the X-300 opportunities that are in the U.S. There's a lot of momentum around those. We are in constant contact with GE Vernova and with Westinghouse, and they certainly are biased to action here. We're quoting actively, there's a lot of feedback on our quotes, and it just feels like things are moving, at least with regard to technology providers. I was in Budapest just last week with the CEO and the leadership of GE, and I'm very optimistic about what we heard over there.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah, that set of opportunities, the 10 X-300 reactors in the U.S. government deal, the 10 AP1000s in the U.S. government deal, the 10 reactors that are in the Commerce Department of Energy long lead item deal. There's just a lot happening there, and it feels like real movement. We're very optimistic about it.

Scott Deuschle
Scott Deuschle
Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Okay. Just from an industry perspective, do you have a sense as to why Westinghouse still hasn't received a firm U.S. AP1000 order despite all this positive news and federal support? I guess I'm just trying to understand, what does that first customer need that they haven't gotten yet in order to pull the trigger to buy a reactor and get the cycle going?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah, Scott, what I believe is happening is that when you look at the way those deals are structured with the sovereign money, that would apply to the first 10 X-300s in the U.S. and the first 10 that were announced out of commerce a while back. Those deals are being structured, as I understand it, as special purpose vehicles, where the participants in the SPV, including the U.S. government, would actually own those reactors and procure all the long lead items and the reactor plants. In that case, I think the utilities are intended to be the operators. The nuclear utilities are intended to be the operators of those reactors, which are likely to be on government sites. What I think is happening is that the utilities are sort of rightly waiting to see how those deals come out before they step into it.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

I think that's the dynamic here, is wait and see how these government deals, the sovereign deals, unfold, and then jump in.

Scott Deuschle
Scott Deuschle
Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Okay. Thank you. I'll jump back in the queue.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Campbell with Seaport Research Partners. Your line is open.

Jeffrey Campbell
Jeffrey Campbell
Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

First of all, congratulations on a very strong quarter, dynamic quarter. Just a quick follow-up on the BWXT Medical questions. Have you determined a use for the sale receipts at this point?

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

Not exactly. I would say, part of our focus on capital allocation priorities, this was a big part of it, because what the sale of the medical does is it really allows us to focus on national nuclear security and commercial nuclear opportunities within the portfolio. As we've discussed before, we're highly focused on growth investments. First and foremost, we'll be looking at internal investments that we're making through kind of the 6%-7% we've discussed around CapEx funding. Outside of that, we have a very robust M&A pipeline, but we also have a fine filter, and we're looking for opportunities similar to what you've seen over the past couple of years where it's fit strategically and also it fit nicely from a financial perspective. We'll continue to look at those. We do also have a couple bonds due over the next couple of years.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

To the extent that we want to continue to show balance sheet strength, we'll look at those opportunities. We don't have any planned at the moment, and we've guided for 2026 that we don't have any planned repurchases. That's always something that we'll continue to look at as well. I think we're looking across the opportunity set, and we'll certainly give more perspective as we make those decisions.

Jeffrey Campbell
Jeffrey Campbell
Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

No, that was helpful. Thank you. I wondered if you could talk a little bit about the mPower licensing to Applied Atomics a little bit more. I was wondering, was there some recent work done on the design? World Nuclear News called it a 195-MW reactor. I thought it was 180 MW when the project was shelved in 2017. I know it's a little wonky, but just kind of curious.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Jeff, I'll take that question. We announced two activities with mPower. Maybe by way of a little bit of background, mPower was a small modular reactor technology developed originally started in the McDermott days and then Babcock & Wilcox, our predecessor companies. I think that work began in the 2008, 2009 timeframe. We eventually stopped that activity around 2014 after having spent something like $400 million on it. We estimated at that time that there was maybe $600 million to go in licensing the technology through the NRC. We stopped that project at the time because the market around small modular reactors had not precipitated. It's IP that's been kind of sitting there on the shelf. You might call it a partially designed, partially certified small modular reactor. It is rated to 195 MW, by the way.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

We have not done incremental work on that technology since that time, there has been some interest in it because it was a very elegant design and probably would be attractive in the modern market. Now, when we stopped progress on mPower, we made the decision strategically to face the market as a merchant supplier. You see how that manifests in today's business. We are supporting the BWRX-300. We're supporting TerraPower. We're working with Rolls-Royce on steam generators for their projects in the U.K. That's been a very successful strategy for us. It's not our intention to bring mPower into the marketplace. That said, there's some parties that are out there that are interested in that IP and have approached us about licensing that technology. We've been in that process for probably a year and a half or two years now.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

We ended up with an agreement with Applied Atomics, who has exclusivity for terrestrial applications. What they would do is complete that design, and get it through NRC approval. We'll be under contract with them to support that. What that deal entails is they get exclusivity for terrestrial application. We get right of first refusal for manufacturing all the components, and we retain the IP. It's a very attractive looking deal from our perspective. The other case was Core Power. Core Power has been interested in using mPower on a barge-like system so that you could generate nearshore power obviously avoid some balance of plant costs some other complexities around licensing and siting. That one's pretty compelling. We are under contract with Core Power to assess that situation right now.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

One licensee under an agreement, one potential licensee, and some outlets for our technology. Fundamentally what we are doing here is monetizing our IP, and we hope that both of them succeed with it.

Jeffrey Campbell
Jeffrey Campbell
Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

If I could just ask you real quickly, when you talk about being the exclusive supplier to the AAA effort, does that mean between your current capabilities and the stuff you have added with PCG that you essentially provide X% of components for the entire reactor? Or is it going to mainly concentrate on the stuff you have historically done, like reactor vessels and steam generators and heat exchangers?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

It would be our typical component capabilities. We would manufacture presumably things like steam generators, reactor pressure vessels. We certainly could do control rod drive mechanisms for that design. Lots of things we could do there, lots of content we could take. We would not do balance of plant or anything like that, of course.

Jeffrey Campbell
Jeffrey Campbell
Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

Right. No, great. That was really, really helpful. Thanks a lot, Rex.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Sure, Jeff. My pleasure.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Matt Akers with BNP Paribas. Your line is open.

Matt Akers
Matt Akers
Analyst at BNP Paribas

Hey, guys. Good afternoon, and thanks for the question. Rex, you mentioned the Battleship in the opening remarks. I was wondering if you could say anything about how far along are you on discussions there? When do you expect that to ramp up? Just how you think of, does that fit into existing capacity, or would there be some expansion needed to support that?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah, early days on that one, but we are certainly having discussions with naval reactors about that. That one, of course, is maybe certainly dependent upon some future authorization and appropriations for that program. It's a Battleship class vessel that would use a Ford-class nuclear reactor. The Ford-class aircraft carriers use two of these very large reactors, small modular reactors that we make. The Battleship would use one of those, so it would be a drop-in kind of thing. We would manufacture the fuel steam generators, the RPVs, the core barrels, all the things that we do. There was budget authorized to study that ship design. We would not be involved with that. That's obviously for the shipyards. That was in the 2027 budget authorization.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Should it go forward, long lead procurements would begin in 2028, as we understand it, and that's when the business would start flowing to our plants. It certainly would flow right through the existing Ford-class reactor lines and fuel lines existential capacity that we have, and would fit very nicely into the business and produce quite some incremental volume for us. Now, I would say, let me just add to that putting the Ford on four-year centers is actually more important to our business. That one has a bigger volume impact than even adding a battleship to it. Both of those are serious upsides to the business.

Matt Akers
Matt Akers
Analyst at BNP Paribas

Great. Thank you. That's helpful. Could you touch on margins and how you're thinking of that longer term on the government business? I know there are a couple of dilutive programs ramping up, but just how you think about that and that's actually grow into 2027.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

Yeah. We started the year at guiding around 19% from a margin perspective, and a lot of that was driven by the newer programs with HPDU and DUECE that were ramping up that had kind of a lower margin to start, similar to our past special materials and other contracts where you start off at a lower margin and you increase that margin over time. We've also kind of previously discussed that we're still working off backlog associated with older pricing arrangements with the customer, and we fully expect that to be done by the end of 2026. If you look at the updated guide, we're actually guiding 150 basis points an increase since the start of the year. A lot of that is really driven by very strong operational performance.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

We're hitting significant increases in our efficiencies and throughput within the factories of pretty much all of our government operations plants. We have started to see some very good cost performance, cost underruns on some of these newer programs, particularly on HPDU, but we're still hitting milestones. When you look at that from a margin perspective, we've started to see some of the margin enhancements that we've been talking about, and you can see that in the reflected results in the updated guidance. As we look to 2027, I'm not setting 2027 guidance at this point. I think we'll give better perspective on that at later in the year.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

I mean, the one thing I would just say is, we will have to continue to maintain this performance, and some of the performance that we've discussed, that we were expecting to see in 2027 is starting to show up in 2026. We'll continue to push and drive efficiency and operational performance within the business, and hopefully we can see that expand over time. On the commercial operations side, we did lower the guidance for the year from approximately 14% to approximately 13%. That is mainly driven by some of the additional investments that we're making to stand up the U.S. commercial nuclear capacity and also to prepare ourselves for some of the high growth that we're expecting. We're adding high caliber executive talent to the business to support what we think is going to be very high growth going forward, and we're working to do that.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

There's some modest investment there. When you look at that year-over-year, we'll have a pretty consistent margin at 13% year-over-year. I do expect that as we go into 2027, we'll see more of a meaningful increase in that margin in that business.

Matt Akers
Matt Akers
Analyst at BNP Paribas

Great. That's very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Tomo Sano with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Tomo Sano
Tomo Sano
Analyst at JPMorgan

Hi. Hello, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. You noted TRISO fuel supported Antares Nuclear reaching criticalities. Could you provide an update on expected TRISO demand, such as government scales and monetization timing as far as you can share, please? Thank you.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah, let me see. Let me place it in terms of the kind of capacity that we exhibit at BWXT, Tomo. We're able to produce a few hundred kilograms a year in our plant down in Lynchburg, Virginia. It took basically the full capacity of that plant to load the Pele core running for, let's call it a year and a half. Then we've had some incremental demand from some customers, including Antares, as you cited. That's well within our existing capacity. As to how the demand lays up across the broad market, I think it depends on a lot of things. It depends on success of X-energy. It depends on the success of Kairos and some others that are requiring TRISO fuel and use these high temperature gas reactors with the pebble type fuel. I think there's a bit of a TBD.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

When you stack all that opportunity up, the opportunity could be fairly strikingly large, and I think that's the reason why you see multiple players getting involved here, including ourselves, TRISO-X, and Standard Nuclear and some others. It's still a highly uncertain market, in my opinion. We're not yet ready to make a full capital commitment on it, but it is enticing.

Tomo Sano
Tomo Sano
Analyst at JPMorgan

Thank you very much. Just one follow-up on the mPower licensing and the feasibilities work with the Core Power. Could you clarify BWXT's monetization model, and the next milestones, please? Thank you.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Sorry, I didn't catch the latter part of that question, Tomo.

Tomo Sano
Tomo Sano
Analyst at JPMorgan

Sorry. Could you clarify the company's monetization model and what kind of the next milestone we should be expecting? Thank you.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah. Monetization model is we certainly have some royalty rights, and manufacturing rights, as I've said, but their monetization model, I'm not clear on what that is, but that's the license to design, presumably.

Tomo Sano
Tomo Sano
Analyst at JPMorgan

Thank you. That's all I have. Thank you very much.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

You're welcome.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Pete Skibitski with Alembic Global. Your line is open.

Peter Skibitski
Peter Skibitski
Analyst at Alembic Global

Good evening, guys. Hey, Rex, can you talk more about the new Canada nuclear strategy? 10 new large-scale reactors, more penetration into CANDU internationally. It sounds like maybe you think Canada is behind where the U.S. is, but maybe you could talk about the TAM there and the timing.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah, sure, Pete. The federal strategy that Canada rolled out, I think is quite impressive. In fact, Canada's nuclear industrial policy has been very favorable for a long time. It's the reason why we've been buying assets in that market and the reason why our center of gravity is still there. The strategy that the federal government rolled out had four pillars to it. One was enabling new builds across Canada, there's federal support for up to 10 large reactors by 2040.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

With some of those under construction by 2035 and at least one deployment outside of Ontario by 2035. They also paired that with a plan to build a Canadian microreactor, I think that means Canadian licensing rights or IP, deploy one of those to a remote community by the late 2030s. That effort would be led through the Canadian Nuclear Laboratories, where we are the majority equity partner and operate in that laboratory. That's pillar one. Pillar two is Canada intends to be an exporter and a global supplier of choice around that sovereign technology, CANDU technology. They want to make full use of their supply chain in that process. Of course, there's a track record of that. There are CANDU reactors in Romania, South Korea, Argentina. There's some history there

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

The third pillar has to do with expanding uranium production and nuclear fuel. We would presumably participate on the fuel side of that. We're not involved in mining or milling, but Canada has powerful uranium assets. I think they have something like 20% of the world's reserves there. The last one has to do with driving innovation through Canada, which translates to investing in fusion projects in addition to fission, medical isotopes, and other nuclear applications. Again, I think primarily through the Canadian Nuclear Laboratories where we're principally involved there. All good for us, very forward-looking strategy. Canada's leaning forward on nuclear as they have been, it's unsurprising, but it's gratifying to see that laid out in detail.

Peter Skibitski
Peter Skibitski
Analyst at Alembic Global

In terms of revenue to you, are they maybe a year or two behind the U.S. at this point?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

I think they're actually ahead, right? Because of what's going on with the small modular reactors up at Darlington. In terms of large reactor builds, I think what you see there is if you've got projects underway by 2035, that means the long lead items like pressure vessel, the steam generators have to be ordered two or three years in advance of that. I would expect it to start to influence our business in a very positive way in the early 2030s.

Peter Skibitski
Peter Skibitski
Analyst at Alembic Global

Okay, great. Thank you.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of David Strauss with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Josh Korn
Josh Korn
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Hi, good afternoon. This is Josh Korn on for David. Was hoping you could maybe speak a little bit about the M&A pipeline now with the sale of Medical. If you might be more interested in kind of staying in that, doubling down on the commercial nuclear power side or maybe getting into other adjacencies. Any context you could provide. Thanks.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

Yeah, I think that's right. We see our last couple commercial nuclear deals, I think, have been very accretive to the business, and we're certainly looking at ways that we can continue to expand not only capacity, but also looking for areas where we can continue to provide expanded services throughout the life cycle of nuclear. Kinectrics has had some really unique design capabilities. They perform work around transmission and distribution, a lot of unique experience around licensing, and they have a strong relationship with the nuclear utilities, and there could be expanded opportunities as we look at commercial nuclear from a pipeline perspective. I think national security nuclear also is a high priority and focus, and that's continuing to expand our capabilities to support the national security missions, as well as any other small tuck-ins similar to what you've seen us do in the past.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

We have a robust pipeline. We go through that regularly to assess that and strategically to make sure that it aligns not only with what we're trying to accomplish from a strategic standpoint, but it also has the financial and other qualitative metrics that make it a good BWXT business. I think you'll continue to see more M&A from us in the future.

Josh Korn
Josh Korn
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Great. Thanks. Just one for me.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Marc Bianchi with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Marc Bianchi
Marc Bianchi
Analyst at TD Cowen

Hey, thank you. I first want to ask on this updated shipbuilding plan and the forward cadence. Just remind us where you are in that forward cadence, and then when we could start to see this update affecting your financial results.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah, Marc, the ordering cadence, the last forward that was ordered, long lead items ordered through BWXT was 2026, if I'm recalling correctly, 2024. The ship set was ordered in 2026. Before that, it was ordered in 2020. Before that, 2016 for the shipyards. That's when the hulls were ordered. As you know, our long lead items are ordered a couple of years in advance of that. What happened was in 2020, that one was accelerated from 2021. That 2020 order for us, the long lead item started to be ordered in 2018. The 2026 one, long lead item started to be ordered in 2024 from us. Then the next forward set, the advanced procurement occurs in 2027. What happens on the four-year interval is that 2026 hull then goes 2030 on a four-year interval, and then 2034 after that.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Again, put us two years ahead of that. Sorry, a lot of dates there to sort through, 2030 would be the next hull order to the shipyards, 2028 for long lead items on that one.

Marc Bianchi
Marc Bianchi
Analyst at TD Cowen

Okay. We start to see the consistency in the business in 2028 and beyond is sort of what it sounds like. Is that right, Rex?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah, that's right. I would make a key point here, Marc, because of the ordering and the delivery cadence, and we've talked a lot about this in the past, the ordering cadence has been on five-year intervals, except for that one exception where there was an acceleration in 2020. Delivery for that ship set takes about eight years altogether. What that means is that you end up with a couple of gap years every decade because of that, so that you've got one ship set moving through the plants instead of two ship sets. What this does, this four-year ordering interval, fixes that gap, so that we would constantly have two Ford ship sets moving through our plants at any one point in time.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

It takes that swale out of there, that revenue bathtub that we've been going through for the past couple of seasons, and that's obviously very positive for our rates, for our stability, for our ability to forecast business, and keep a steady production going through the plants.

Marc Bianchi
Marc Bianchi
Analyst at TD Cowen

Yep. Okay, great. Thanks for that. The other one that I wanted to ask on was just on these AP1000 opportunities. We've talked through this in the past, but just wanted to get maybe some updated thoughts on this. If we go back to Vogtle, I don't think you guys were involved in any of the large reactor components that you're sort of going for right now, but there are other participants that were, and they're still in the market. How do you think your value proposition compares to them, or what do you think you're going to win on when it comes to going up against those other suppliers?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah. At the time those Vogtle plants were being built, we were almost out of the commercial nuclear business. Very limited activities in our Canadian plant at Cambridge at that time, Marc. I would say our capabilities are very favorable with the largest industrial players, the Doosan and the ENSAs of the world. There's some captive capabilities for the technology providers, but in terms of, let's call it supply chain providers, we sit right at the top. We certainly have the largest component nuclear manufacturing plant in North America, really the only surviving one. When we're done with our capacity expansion in Cambridge, we will have the world's largest nuclear clean room. Then you add to that the capacity expansion that we took with PCG, where we kind of doubled our commercial footprint. Now that one is not capable of producing the very largest components.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

PCG is not capable of producing the largest components like reactor pressure vessels for, say, an AP1000 or a steam generator. It can do medium scale components like fuel assemblies and modules and other such things, pressure boundary components. Yeah, we're right there. In terms of capacity and capability, I don't think there's anyone better on the globe.

Marc Bianchi
Marc Bianchi
Analyst at TD Cowen

Okay. Thanks, Rex. I'll turn it back.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Mark Shooter with William Blair. Your line is open.

Mark Shooter
Mark Shooter
Analyst at William Blair

Thank you. Hey, Rex. Congrats on the quarter, the divestiture, and fueling the Antares Mark-0 reactor. Following up a little bit on the TRISO question here that another analyst asked. You did mention that you're not ready to make a full capital commitment on it, what would you like to see from the reactor customers or other demand signals to give you that green light? Assuming that light turns green, any shape on the, or any color on the shade of the CapEx or the capacity or timelines?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah. I'd say we'd like to see a pipeline of orders that looks very solid. We're pretty far down that road. We've got a partner in Kairos. We have a $100 million grant from the Wyoming Energy Authority, we just need to see that pipeline of opportunities firm up a little bit. I think we've talked about in the past that it's been the commitment, the CapEx associated with standing up that facility and populating it with equipment is a few hundred million dollars, up to $500 million. That's the scale of it. Again, we'd be sharing it with a partner, we've got an offset with the Wyoming Energy Authority, probably a pretty modest investment for us in terms of large scale capital. We remain optimistic about it.

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

The only other thing I would add is, one of the probably key milestones that we're looking for is a Janus decision. That is expected to continue to progress through this year. We're expecting an award this year, that'll be a key milestone to watch from an order solidification in order for us to make a decision.

Mark Shooter
Mark Shooter
Analyst at William Blair

That's helpful. Thank you both. Also, one of the last times we spoke, we were thinking or walking through the potential expansion of the NNSA enrichment award and what that opportunity could bring. On the preamble here, BWX is obvious that you're executing on schedule on this program. Is there any deeper conversations or updates around the potential to expand that program?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Sure. I'll make a few comments about that. As you may know, the scope of that program is to do the technology transfer from the federal laboratory into our centrifuge manufacturing development facility. We discussed in the script the progress that we're making there. We stood up that facility within the last year or so, just 14 months ago, and we are expecting to demonstrate centrifuge capability, operational centrifuge in the second half of the year. Great progress there. That's the front end of it. The back end of it is licensing and construction of a plant for doing the high enriched uranium part of the process that's required for stockpile replenishment.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

The space in between is where the real opportunity is, that's building plants for enriching from either depleted uranium or natural uranium up to low enriched uranium, which is essentially commercial fuel, and then from low enriched up to High-Assay Low-Enriched Uranium. Thinking about building through all of those assays, which you have to do to get to high enriched uranium. I think there's a subtle point here that all of that equipment has to be unobligated, meaning U.S.-sourced. There's a uniqueness to how you build supply chain, and there's some uniquely higher costs that are associated to that. There's a question about the commercial viability of enriching into those assays. That's the way it has to be done under treaty.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

That's the opportunity to go and build out low enriched uranium and High-Assay Low-Enriched Uranium plants, and to see whether or not you can build a commercial capability on the, let's say, on a contribution margin basis for those plants. Those would be a very large-scale projects.

Mark Shooter
Mark Shooter
Analyst at William Blair

Very helpful. Thank you both.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Andre Madrid with BTIG. Your line is open.

Andre Madrid
Andre Madrid
Analyst at BTIG

Thanks for taking my question. I'm looking for an update on Project Janus. Does the timing still hold here? How might the economics differ based on the outcome, whether you win as an OE or as a supplier?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah. We're still in that process. We still are optimistic about the outcome of that competition. I think this is just government timing. They're making their decisions, and they will announce their decisions on their timetable, but we're certainly optimistic over here. What was the second part of the question? Pardon me.

Andre Madrid
Andre Madrid
Analyst at BTIG

Just how the economics might differ based on the outcome. I know you kind of have several shots on goal here.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah, we do. Do you mean how we might think about investments in things like TRISO and micro-reactors if we don't succeed in that one?

Andre Madrid
Andre Madrid
Analyst at BTIG

Well, that, and as well as what the contribution might look like either way things go.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah.

Andre Madrid
Andre Madrid
Analyst at BTIG

On the top line and yeah.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah. Maybe I'll hold comments on that one. We need to get through this negotiation stage and hopefully receive an award, and then I think we can have more to say about it.

Andre Madrid
Andre Madrid
Analyst at BTIG

Got it. That's helpful. I guess another one, as it pertains to the decision upcoming about expanding commercial capacity, whether it be out in Mount Vernon, Greenfield or M&A. What are really the gating factors to kind of coming to that decision? What more are you looking for to, I guess, help you get there to that decision?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Not much. We certainly see the commercial demand. I don't think we're ahead of the market by any means whatsoever. There needs to be domestic capability in the U.S. for large component manufacturing. We need to be in a deep water situation so that we can ship by water to any point on the globe because our intention to be a global supplier in addition to a domestic source for AP1000, X-300, TerraPower, whatever comes. All we're going through right now is sorting out state incentives amongst New Jersey, Indiana, one other option that we're considering. By the way, we're proceeding with the plant design full out. We'll proceed with equipment procurements in a short order. There's nothing that's stalling us out. It's just a matter of site selection at this point. We'll get to that decision in pretty short order.

Andre Madrid
Andre Madrid
Analyst at BTIG

Got it. That's really helpful, Rex. I'll leave it there. Thanks so much.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Ron Epstein with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Ron Epstein
Ron Epstein
Analyst at Bank of America

Yeah. Hey, Rex and team. Far we've covered a lot of ground, but maybe just a couple of basic ones. How is supply chain holding out for you, Rex? Given the growth you're seeing across the business, in particular in the commercial side, are you having any challenges there? Getting the raw materials you need or otherwise?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Not so far, Ron. Things have been going pretty well. Zirconium tubes, large forgings, whatever we need, we've been able to get those materials. Now, I would worry about it as we surge into this demand environment over the next two or three years, but we're keeping a very close eye on it, so far so good. We've got reliable suppliers, our supply chain team is really quite talented at managing this. Now, I will make one key point, which I've made a lot, in relation to the history of this company. The reason that BWXT was kind of the last man standing in commercial capability in North America is because we had a tremendous anchor tenant on the government side with naval reactors.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Just to remind you, we've delivered 420, essentially small modular reactors, exquisitely beautiful, high-performing small modular reactors, to the market over the last 50 years or so. That's been a great way for us to maintain our capability and exercise a supply chain, not exactly the same one as the commercial one, but we've had our muscles around that capability. We have some natural advantages that our competitors did not. So far so good supply chain.

Ron Epstein
Ron Epstein
Analyst at Bank of America

Got you. Sort of the other side of that, how's it going on the labor front, right? Because all this work takes labor as well. Do you have adequate source to qualified labor, and can you retain labor and so on and so forth?

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Yeah, generally good. It is challenging to find all the trades. As I've said many times before, more challenging to find qualified trades people than it is to find nuclear engineers right now, if you can believe that. We're doing pretty well with it. Our acquisition rates are consistent with our program needs for the most part. Our turnover rates, net of retirement, net of voluntary exits, are really low. It's mid-single digit or below 4%, something like that. I would say we've got some challenges finding steel workers in Canada right now, as an example of a little bit of a shortage, but we're attacking that problem. Broadly speaking, human capital management is really under good control. We've got a great leader in that area named Gonzalo Cajade, and he's working with the operating businesses and is on it every second of his life.

Ron Epstein
Ron Epstein
Analyst at Bank of America

Got you. Maybe just a bit of a financial detail. Did you guys quantify what the organic change was in your EBITDA guide? How much can be attributed to organic versus inorganic?

Mike Fitzgerald
Senior VP and CFO at BWXT

It's mostly organic.

Ron Epstein
Ron Epstein
Analyst at Bank of America

Okay. Great. Cool. Thank you all.

Rex Geveden
Rex Geveden
President and CEO at BWXT

Thank you, Ron.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Chase Jacobson for closing remarks.

Chase Jacobson
VP of Investor Relations at BWXT

Thank you everybody for your questions, and your interest in BWXT. We look forward to speaking with you and seeing many of you at investor events in the coming months and at Investor Day in late September. If you have any questions, please reach out. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining and you may now disconnect.

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