CI Financial Q2 2023 Earnings Report

CI Financial EPS Results

• Actual EPS: C$0.76
• Consensus EPS: N/A
• Beat/Miss: N/A
• One Year Ago EPS: C$0.78

CI Financial Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $776.08 million
• Expected Revenue: N/A
• Beat/Miss: N/A
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

CI Financial Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q2 2023
• Date: 8/10/2023
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Thursday, August 10, 2023
• Conference Call Time: 9:00AM ET

CI Financial (TSE:CIX) is a diversified provider of wealth management products and services, primarily in the Canadian market. The company had CAD 129.2 billion in fund assets under management, and another CAD 221.5 billion in assets under advisement, at the end of April 2022, making it one of the largest nonbank affiliated asset managers in Canada. The company operates primarily through CI Global Asset Management, which offers a broad selection of investment funds. On the wealth management side, the company operates through CI Assante Wealth Management, Aligned Capital Partners, CI Private Wealth, as well as a growing group of acquired U.S.-based advisors, providing financial advice primarily to high-net-worth individuals and families.

CI Financial Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• The company reported adjusted EPS of $0.76 (up 3% sequentially) and adjusted EBITDA per share rose 1%, though free cash flow per share declined 5% due to seasonal bond coupon payments.
• It executed active capital allocation, repaying $1 billion of debt, repurchasing 17 million shares for $229 million, deploying $212 million on M&A and announcing an 11% dividend increase to $0.20 per quarter.
• CI Financial generated net inflows across its platform, with Canadian Retail posting four straight quarters of inflows, and both its Canadian and U.S. Wealth segments reporting positive flows, driving record AUM of $399 billion (up 20% year-over-year).
• Strategic actions included the minority sale of its U.S. Wealth business to complete IPO prep, the creation of the Coriant unified brand in the U.S., and the acquisitions of Avalon, LaFirla, Coriell Capital and InterContinental Wealth Advisors.
• The U.S. Wealth segment delivered 48% EBITDA growth year-over-year and expanded margins by 5.6 percentage points through revenue synergies and end-to-end integration of technology, operations and back-office functions.

Presentation

[Operator]

Good morning, and welcome to the CI Financial Q2 2023 earnings call. My name is Carla, and I will be the operator of today's call. If you would like to register a question for the Q&A portion of the call, please press Star followed by one on your telephone keypad. When asking a question, please ensure your telephone is unmuted locally, and to revoke your question, you can press Star followed by two. I would now like to pass the conference over to our host, Kurt MacAlpine, CEO of CI Financial to begin. Kurt, please go ahead when you're ready.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to CI Financial's second quarter earnings call. Joining me this morning is our CFO, Amit Muni. Together, we will cover the following: an overview of the highlights of the quarter, a review of our financial performance during the quarter, a discussion of several strategic actions recently taken. We will take your questions. Our adjusted EPS of $0.76 a share is up 3% sequentially, reflecting growth in our U.S. wealth business, disciplined discretionary expense management, and the benefits from capital deployed during the quarter, partially offset by pressure from asset mix shift and higher non-controlling interest resulting from our minority sale. Adjusted EBITDA per share attributable to shareholders increased 1% from Q1, while free cash flow per share declined 5%, reflecting the seasonally higher bond coupon payments. It was an active quarter for capital allocation.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

We paid down CAD 1 billion of debt and spent CAD 229 million to repurchase 17 million shares. We deployed CAD 212 million towards M&A, including deferred and earn-out payments, and CAD 33 million towards our dividends, which today we announced plans to increase 11% to CAD 0.20 per quarter. Our platform continues to generate net inflows despite the more uncertain economic environment and market outlook. Though modest in Q2, our Canadian retail segment generated inflows for the fourth straight quarter, despite the industry continuing to endure outflows. While demand remains high for our high interest savings strategy, a range of our ETFs and our alternative strategies also generated inflows. Our wealth businesses in both Canada and the US generated consistently positive inflows through the first half of the year.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

We also continued to execute against our three strategic priorities to modernize asset management, expand wealth management, and globalize the company. In May, we completed the minority sale in our U.S. wealth business, which accomplished the goals of our planned IPO. This provided us with complete flexibility for the business going forward. We also completed the previously announced acquisitions of Avalon Advisors and La Ferla and welcomed them into the Corient Partnership, which is a new unified brand for our U.S. wealth business. This morning, we're excited to announce the acquisition of Coriel Capital, a Montreal-based, woman-owned, ultra-high-net-worth wealth manager. In July, we closed on the acquisition of Intercontinental Wealth Advisors, a San Antonio-based high-net-worth and ultra-high-net-worth focused RIA with $2.3 billion of client assets. I'll now turn the call over to Amit.

[Amit Muni, CFO at CI Financial]

Thank you, Kurt. Good morning, everyone. Turning to slide four, our global assets ended the quarter up 4% to $399 billion, a quarter end record high due to positive flows in our Canadian and US wealth management segments, as well as from two acquisitions during the quarter. Compared to this time last year, our AUM is up 20%. Turning to our financial results on the next slide, I'll focus my comments on our adjusted results. Adjusted net income was $136 million, or $0.76 per share for the quarter. Net revenues increased to $655 million, and Adjusted EBITDA was $245 million for the quarter. Turning to the next slide, I'll highlight the EBITDA and margins for our three segments.

[Amit Muni, CFO at CI Financial]

Asset management EBITDA is down slightly due to stock-based compensation expense from our grant this quarter that was not in the previous quarter. Canada Wealth EBITDA stayed relatively flat. In the U.S., we experienced strong EBITDA growth of 48% this quarter compared to the second quarter of last year, and 42% growth for the first half of this year as compared to the first half of last year. Our margins also improved by 1.4 percentage points to 42.2% this quarter, due to a combination of top-line revenue growth and synergies from ongoing integration of our US platform. For purposes of modeling non-controlling interest of our U.S. segment for future quarters, we estimate non-controlling interest of 37% of US adjusted EBITDA when calculating our US segment adjusted EBITDA.

[Amit Muni, CFO at CI Financial]

For purposes of modeling non-controlling interest for our US segment's contribution to EPS, we estimate non-controlling interest of 32% of US segment adjusted EBITDA. Turning to the next slide, I'll walk through the changes in revenue. Revenues were up 2.3% to $655 million, and about 1% on a comparable basis to Q1. Asset management revenues were down slightly due to average free fee rate declines from mix shift due to flows into lower fee, short duration funds. Canada and US wealth revenues were up due to higher asset levels from solid organic growth. Our US acquisitions added $9 million in revenues for the quarter. Turning to expenses on the next slide. Total expenses increased 1.9% and about 1% on a comparable basis.

[Amit Muni, CFO at CI Financial]

SG&A increased primarily due to higher stock-based compensation, due to the annual granting of restricted stock awards to our employees, which were done in the second quarter. Interest expense declined due to lower debt levels. Acquisitions added CAD 4 million in expenses in the quarter. Turning to slide nine. At the end of the quarter, our net debt declined to CAD 2.9 billion from CAD 4.1 billion last quarter, and our net leverage was 2.9x. Using current market value of our debt, our net leverage would be approximately 2.1x. As you can see from the chart on the bottom of this slide, we have an attractive profile for our remaining debt, with an average maturity of just over, a little over 14 years at a 4% fixed rate.

[Amit Muni, CFO at CI Financial]

We anticipate interest expense to be in the range of $37 million-$39 million in the third quarter. Turning to the next slide. The aggressive deployment of capital received from the sale of our stake in Congress Wealth Management and the 20% stake we sold of our US business allowed us to deleverage. We spent $695 million to retire $713 million of par value bonds. We paid down our credit facility balance, which was $298 million at the end of the prior quarter. We deployed $308 million for share buybacks from July. The results of these actions were severalfold.

[Amit Muni, CFO at CI Financial]

CAD 18 million in savings versus the par value of our bonds, CAD 54 million of interest avoidance on those bonds, CAD 23 million reduction in annual credit facility interest, CAD 17 million reduction in our annual dividend obligation as a result of canceling 22 million shares. Most importantly is the ongoing earnings accretion. We sold roughly 6% of our consolidated earnings through the 20% sale of our U.S. wealth business and bought back 12% of our shares outstanding through the end of July. Thank you. Let me turn the call back to Kurt.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Thank you, Amit. Yesterday, the board approved a CAD 0.08 or 11% increase to the dividend, bringing the annual distribution to CAD 0.80 per share, effective for the Q4 dividend, which gets paid in January. Our board has declared dividends a quarter in advance, which is why the change is effective in Q4, not Q3. The business context is important to understand the drivers of the decision in 2018 and our decision yesterday. Exactly five years ago, in August 2018, the board made the difficult but necessary decision to cut the dividend in half to the current level of CAD 0.72 per share. This decision was made given the challenged operating environment and relative positioning of the business at that point in time. In asset management, we had the lowest level of net flows and the lowest aggregate investment performance of our peers.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Our Canadian wealth business, while at scale, wasn't growing and wasn't contributing to earnings on a standalone basis. The economics of the business were concentrated and isolating for markets were in decline. Virtually 100% of our corporate earnings came from Canadian mutual funds. Our shares outstanding were 261 million, and our dividend payout ratio was nearly 60% of our adjusted income. The decision to cut the dividend provided us with the flexibility to invest in the business while reducing our share count. Over the last five years, we've worked incredibly hard to transform and reposition the business for sustainable and highly profitable growth. Today, as a result of these initiatives, we stand in a much better position. In asset management, we have the strongest net flows in Canadian retail and have among the best investment performance improvement of all of our public peers.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Our Canadian wealth management business is growing rapidly and is now a meaningful contributor to our earnings. We initiated our globalization efforts through our U.S. wealth strategy. In slightly more than three years, this business grew from nothing to our largest business line by assets. Collectively, our U.S. and Canadian wealth management businesses now contribute 35% of our EBITDA, up from 0% in 2019. As we continue to execute, we expect the contributions to continue to grow. Our business is now well diversified across geographies, business lines, and client segments. We have approximately 163 million shares outstanding, down roughly 100 million. Our second quarter dividend payout ratio was 24% of adjusted net income and has declined since then, given the strong share buyback activity recently. As a result of this collective improvement, we have decided to increase our dividend by 11%.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Using the current street consensus, when factoring in our announced dividend increase, our 2024 dividend payout ratio would be 19.9%. This decision allows us to increase our dividend while providing us with significant future capital flexibility. As I've talked about frequently, expanding wealth management is one of our three corporate strategic priorities. In addition to generating strong organic growth and margin expansion, we aspire to be the preferred acquirer of the industry's best wealth managers. Today, we announced an agreement to acquire Coriel, a Montreal-based ultra-high-net-worth wealth manager. Coriel, a firm founded and led by women, manages CAD 1.3 billion in client assets, with an average client size of over CAD 90 million.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Building off of our CI Private Wealth Canada business and our acquisition of Northwood Family Office last year, we believe we are the best-positioned firm to serve ultra-high-net-worth clients in Canada. In aggregate, our Canadian wealth management assets have more than doubled since we initiated the new strategy at the end of 2019. As we first discussed on our November call last year, as part of our strategic priority to expand our wealth management business, we've been investing in CI Investment Services with plans to significantly scale our wealth management custody business. In July, we completed an important milestone with the onboarding of Aligned Capital's assets, bringing our custody platform to $24 billion in assets. This conversion is expected to improve the service experience for Aligned advisors, and the improved scale should help attract additional independent advisors.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Over time, we see a pathway to a CAD 100 billion+ custody business as we onboard Assante, CI Private Wealth Canada, Northwood, and further scale our third-party assets. From an economic standpoint, this will have a material impact on the profitability of our Canadian wealth segment. On an annual run rate basis, we anticipate a CAD 15 million EBITDA lift from the Aligned conversion. The majority of the earnings pickup will come from higher interest revenues that were shared with the prior custodian, as well as some administrative and trading fees. Moving to our U.S. business, we've continued to make significant progress on the integration to a single unified business. As you've heard from Amit earlier, we increased our U.S. operating margins by 5.6 percentage points over the past 12 months.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

What started as a business focused on acquisitions of leading capabilities and creating a foundation for growth, has quickly evolved into the largest integrated RIA business in the U.S., with nearly $200 billion or $150 billion U.S. dollars in assets. In 2020, when a firm joined us, we acquired the business as is with the integration to follow. Today, when a firm joins us, on the first day, they are fully onboarded to our operating platform. This includes our ADV, integrated technology, cybersecurity, marketing, finance, legal, HR, and compliance functions. In addition, we are in the process of consolidating and upgrading our real estate in key geographies where we have multiple offices today. Integrating the core business has also allowed us to enhance both the services and capabilities to our clients beyond what any single legacy RIA could offer.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Examples of this include access to our trust company, robust tax prep and planning services, and personal CFO. The integration progress to date has culminated in the rollout of our new brand, Corient, this past month. The Corient name was selected through a rigorous multi-step process. We engaged a branding firm to identify names for consideration. More than 70 of our firms participated in partner groups, who were tasked with narrowing the initial list down to the finalists. To select the name, we held a partner vote, where each of our 236 partners had an equal say in naming the business. Corient was favored by a wide margin. I mention the process because I believe it provides a glimpse into how we're taking a fundamentally different approach to wealth management. One I believe is only possible through our private partnership model.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

The rebranding provides further clarity to clients and to the market of the expertise of our entire business and the expanded services and capabilities they benefit from for being a part of Corient. That concludes our prepared remarks. I'd like to open up the call for questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, you may do so by pressing star followed by one on your phone keypad. To revoke your question, please press star followed by two. When preparing for your question, please ensure your phone is unmuted locally. Our first question comes from Kyle Voigt from KBW. Kyle, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

[Kyle Voigt, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette and Woods]

Hi, good morning. maybe first, kind of maybe multi-part question on, on RIA deals. It looks like there was a little over $200 million of a redeemable share liability that was booked in the quarter related to a deal. can you just give some more color there? Because I think it did have some impact on the, on the diluted share count in the quarter. Then just a, just a follow-up to, to that, or second part of that question: Could you provide a high-level update on how some of these newer, RIA deals are being structured between, in terms of the consideration being structured cash up front versus deferred, contingent, or whether using stock or this redeemable share liability is going to be more normal going forward?

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Sure. On, on the first one, just, just quickly, that note relates to an acquisition that we had completed, and it just aligns around the sequencing of the payments that we'll make over the subsequent couple of quarters. On the second question you asked, as it relates to the structuring of the transactions, we're actually structuring them in a very consistent manner with what we've done in the past. That would be a combination of cash and stock in guaranteed considerations. By stock, I mean public-private partnership units of our, of our Corient partnership.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Then the firm typically would have an earn-out where they would have to grow at a higher rate than what they have historically, which we measure over the subsequent 36 months post them joining our business. The structuring of the transactions themselves really haven't changed at all from our starting point.

[Amit Muni, CFO at CI Financial]

Hey, Kyle, it's Amit. Just to add to, add to what Kurt said on the, on the first part of your question. We, we did an, an acquisition in the quarter. Part of that was structured, to maximize flexibility, to allow us to settle in either shares or stock. Our, our goal is to settle it in, in cash. Just because of the structure, it requires us to show the convertible shares that could be issued, even though there's, you know, no intention on our part to do that. It's just a IFRS requirement.

[Kyle Voigt, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette and Woods]

Understood. That's, that's really helpful. I think just one more and I'll get back in the queue. It's just on the progress on the RIA integration. You noted the technology integration happened in July, maybe you could expand upon that a bit. When that real estate consolidation is expected to be complete this year. If you could just translate that into margin. I mean, just frame how much margin upside related to the executing on those integration processes that are going to be complete this year, how much margin upside could we see versus that Q2 level that you just reported?

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Sure. On the technology front, we've been in the process of kind of transforming and integrating technology that was completed this month or is being finalized this month. That's effectively everybody in our U.S. business on unified technology, hardware, software, system, servers, cybersecurity. One fully integrated, seamless end-to-end technology platform. We had, for the firms that have already joined us, we have converted or are in the final stages of converting them. For any acquisition that we complete, going forward, they will be fully onboarded to our technology solution on day one. From a kind of evolvement of an M&A perspective, the marketing, finance, legal, compliance, HR, were day one initiatives before with the technology support. Now it's really an end-to-end integration and technology solution.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

The real estate, Kyle, we have a few different offices that we are integrating kind of in parallel. We're upgrading and integrating in New York. We're doing the same in Boston and Chicago, in addition to Miami. That'll, that'll drag on as, as we're in the process of the buildouts now and the, and the repositioning. That'll take, I guess, a couple to a few quarters to be, call it, fully steady state, just, just given the timing of, of buildouts and things like that. Then on margin, we just don't give go forward guidance on, on what that'll, that'll translate to.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

But there is some initial upfront costs for all of these things that we're bearing now and then, you know, get through the integration, then you'll see it in, in steady state.

[Kyle Voigt, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette and Woods]

Great. Thank you very much.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Thanks.

[Operator]

Thanks, Kyle. Our next question comes from Geoffrey Kwan from RBC. Jeff, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

[Geoffrey Kwan, Managing Director and Canadian Diversified Financials Analyst at RBC Capital Markets]

Hi, good morning. Just had a question with the, you know, the release that you've got on the leverage side. Just wanted to understand how you're thinking about the priors, sorry, prioritization on the share buybacks, which you remain active on, versus whether or not it's wealth or other types of acquisitions versus organic investments in the business.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Sure. So one of the appealing features of the minority sale that we executed in the quarter was it allowed us to set our Canadian and U.S. businesses up under separate, separate, clearly separate strategic priorities, but also separate capital allocation priorities. I'll just start from a U.S. perspective. We intend to use the cash to reinvest in the business as we see inorganic growth opportunities continue to present themselves for the foreseeable future. So from a U.S. business perspective, that'll be the focus of the cash flow that we generate in that business. As it relates to the Canadian business, the way that we had discussed the proceeds.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

When we, when we executed the minority sale, 100% of those proceeds went back to the Canadian business and the Canadian shareholders. We used those proceeds to do the $1 billion of delevering, so the $713 million plus the facility balance. And then we executed, completed our NCIB for last year, and then have renewed and nearly completed an NCIB for this year. Like always, Jeoff, we're going to take a dynamic approach to our capital allocation. I think we feel very good when we look at our debt today, 16 years duration, 4% interest, no financial covenants, interest rates are all fixed.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

We'll continue to monitor it and take advantage, but we do see our stock at a very attractive price point relative to the underlying fundamentals of the business. As long as that disconnect exists, we're very happy to lean in and buy shares.

[Geoffrey Kwan, Managing Director and Canadian Diversified Financials Analyst at RBC Capital Markets]

Sorry, I forgot to ask what that first question is. Do you have kind of an upper limits on where you would be comfortable having the leverage at?

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

No, we're comfortable in and around the range that we're at right now.

[Geoffrey Kwan, Managing Director and Canadian Diversified Financials Analyst at RBC Capital Markets]

Okay. Just my second question is, is your High Interest Savings ETF obviously has accumulated a lot of assets over the past term in particular. Do you have visibility in terms of in terms of what that mix, in other words, for example, like the advisors that you do business with, do you, do you get a sense of how much of their clients assets in aggregate have may have gone into that ETF? Or is it really maybe coming out from third party, you know, retail investors or other types of buyers?

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Yeah, I guess, are you saying-- I, I think if I'm paraphrasing, Jeff, and correct me if I'm wrong, is, is, are the shorter duration strategies getting us in front of new investors, or is it repositioning of existing clients?

[Geoffrey Kwan, Managing Director and Canadian Diversified Financials Analyst at RBC Capital Markets]

Exactly, yeah.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Yeah. No, I'd, I'd say, I mean, it's a balance. I, I would say it, certainly one of the things that we've noticed as we've executed our, our retail strategy, or our asset management strategy and, and applied it to the retail channel, which is, which is where we generate those flows, is that we see whether it's with our HISA strategy, whether it's our alternatives products, the stuff we're doing in the private market space, it's getting us in front of new investors, our ETFs that historically haven't done business with us. So that has been. There's certainly some of our existing clients that know and are familiar with us and have great relationships that are pivoting to those products, in a risk-off environment. It is also getting us in front of a meaningful amount of new investors.

[Geoffrey Kwan, Managing Director and Canadian Diversified Financials Analyst at RBC Capital Markets]

Okay. You don't have. Do you have any sort of, you know, percentage?

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

I don't have the specific break-

[Geoffrey Kwan, Managing Director and Canadian Diversified Financials Analyst at RBC Capital Markets]

That-

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

No, I don't have the specific breakdown to share.

[Geoffrey Kwan, Managing Director and Canadian Diversified Financials Analyst at RBC Capital Markets]

Okay. All right. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thanks, Jeff. Our next question comes from Graham Ryding from TD Securities. Graham, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

[Graham Ryding, Senior Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities]

Hi. Maybe you just give us, sort of what you're thinking here with the, with the remaining. Sorry about that. The remaining $300 million in debentures here that you've, that you didn't, you weren't able to buy back. How does that impact your ability to sort of pursue acquisitions in the US going forward? Maybe I could start, start with that.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Sure. Yeah. The, it, it doesn't impact us at all. It would just change the, the structure by which we, I guess, fund the acquisitions. We have about CAD 285 million remaining of debt across three different tranches that expire in 2024, 2025, and 2027. As you mentioned, that we're not tendered back, that have a restriction that prevents us from borrowing at the sub-company level in a way that's not backed by the parent. As long as that debt remains in place, we can certainly still borrow and fund acquisitions. There would just be a temporary loan that gets provided by the parent company to the U.S. company that would ultimately be cleaned up once those bonds are, are retired.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

From a, from a rating agency perspective, when people are thinking about our debt, they're gonna consolidate it, at least for the time being anyway. Our, our thought was we attempted to buy back, through our tender, as you heard from Amit earlier, had very good profit on the tender and then also the interest avoidance, and, and now we're just monitoring it. We're not restricted in any way. It's just if we were to do an acquisition and they weren't fully cleaned up, the loan would be, come from Canada or be backed by the Canadian business just until the point that they're cleaned up, and then that obligation would transfer solely to the, to the US business. It's just a sequencing thing, but, but no restrictions.

[Graham Ryding, Senior Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities]

Do you have a plan for when you would attempt to clean up or redeem the remaining debentures? Like, would you wait to maturity, or would you come back to the market with another offer? What's your, what's your plan there?

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Yeah, I think we're just, we're monitoring the situation closely. I mean, we, we did a tender. We were able to buy some of those bonds in the open market, as well. So we'll continue to, to, to monitor it and, and see if the opportunity exists. As I mentioned, there's not a urgent need to do it because we're not prevented from pursuing growth in the US business. We just have to tweak, have the Canadian entity or the parent entity back the loan just until we've either, the bonds mature and retire, or until we clean it up proactively.

[Graham Ryding, Senior Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities]

Okay, understood. Maybe just broadly about your, the outlook for your free cash flow. Maybe, you know, you do have some deferred considerations and some contingent considerations this year. You also have your sort of dividend commitments. Do you envision having much in terms of excess free cash flow this year to go towards either paying off debt or further buybacks, or is your free cash flow largely going to be allocated towards those contingent liabilities?

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Hey, Graham, it's, it's Amit. You know, as Kurt said, you know, we take a dynamic approach to, to our capital. You know, we're very comfortable with the, with the free cash flows that we're generating and the ability to deploy it, to, again, support, support the buyback, continue to support our M&A strategy. It's, it's, it's dynamic. To your-- to answer your question directly, yes, we do feel comfortable, with the level of cash flows to continue to deploy on the strategies that we have.

[Graham Ryding, Senior Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities]

Okay, that's it for me. I'll requeue. Thanks. Thanks.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question comes from Tom MacKinnon from BMO Capital. Tom, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

[Tom MacKinnon, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at BMO Capital Markets]

Yeah, thanks very much. Morning. Late coming to the call. I don't know if there was any update that you gave on flows and trends that you've seen with respect, and particularly with trends you've seen with respect to July. Then I have a follow-up. Thanks.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Yeah, no, we didn't provide disclosure on July flows. We did provide the second quarter flows across, provided the details on the asset management flows. Tom, I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we were strong, had strong positive flows on both our Canadian and our US wealth businesses for the first half of the year as well.

[Tom MacKinnon, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at BMO Capital Markets]

Yeah. Then Kurt, with respect to the U.S. wealth, now you've amalgamated so many U.S. RIAs, can you share with us how your EBITDA growth has been in terms of how it relates to cost saves or synergies? Possibly any kind of revenue synergies that you may have gotten from piecing these together. Or are they just sort of a mosaic of various U.S. RIAs, and you're just collecting the earnings from them? What have you been able to do? If you can quantify any of that in terms of getting more synergies out of these pieces.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Sure. I think, Tom, you must have joined after the, the prepared remarks, so I'll just quickly recap what I had touched on, on the integration slide. In the past 12 months, our EBITDA has grown 48% in our US segment. Our margin expansion has been 5.6 percentage points. That's through a combination of revenue synergies. We've launched our trust business, our tax capabilities, our wealth transfer function, our outsourced CFO. We have a series of, call them revenue-enhancing initiatives, effectively, services we're now able to provide to clients that previously any one of the firms that we acquired didn't have on a standalone basis. That's certainly been additive and much appreciated by clients. In parallel to that, we have fully integrated our operating platform.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

I did touch on this as well, but, you know, when a, when we acquired a firm in 2020, we would acquire it as is and then work on the, the synergies post-acquisition. Today, technology, finance, legal, marketing, operations, compliance, everything gets fully integrated at the point of the acquisition. We're effectively onboarding the businesses straight on to the new operating model and framework. The combination of those two things is attributable to, you know, 5.6 percentage point margin expansion in 12 months in a relatively flat market.

[Tom MacKinnon, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at BMO Capital Markets]

Okay, the 5.6 percentage points is both revenue synergies and the back office legal compliance technology that you put on your platform?

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Correct.

[Tom MacKinnon, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at BMO Capital Markets]

Okay. All right, thanks. Sorry to have to have you recap that. Appreciate it. Thanks.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

No, no, happy to.

[Operator]

Thanks, Tom. As a reminder, to ask a question, you may do so by pressing star followed by one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from Nikolaus Priebe from CIBC. Nik, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

[Nikolaus Priebe, Equity Research Analyst at CIBC]

Okay, thanks. Just a pair of questions on capital return. Starting with the dividend increase. Obviously, based on the payout ratio and the free cash flow generation, there's a lot of headroom for further expansion and growth over time. Is the intent to sustain a predictable rate of dividend growth going forward? Just interested to hear a bit more about how your philosophy has changed on that front.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Yeah, the way I would answer it, Nik, is, you know, five years ago, we were cutting the dividend to reposition the business. You know, as I, as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, fast-forward to today, the business is in a very different economic state than what we were at that point in time. We went from, say, a firm cutting a dividend to a firm now growing our dividend. But we're not in a position to provide guidance on, on what future dividend hikes would look like. But I, I will kind of point people to our payout ratio, right?

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

We, we now, in 2024, based upon street consensus, are estimating we're only paying out 19.9% in a dividend payout ratio, which gives us a lot of future flexibility if we choose to choose to increase.

[Nikolaus Priebe, Equity Research Analyst at CIBC]

Yep. Okay, fair enough. Then, just with respect to buybacks as well, very active in the quarter, as you pointed out, and I think you had reloaded the NCIB, towards the end of the quarter. Can you just update us on the remaining capacity for the existing NCIB program?

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Yeah. We're well along the way for this period's NCIB. I would expect to see, you know, based on the, you know, which you'll see it when we publicly disclose in our next filing, but I'll just say that we're well along our way of completing this period's NCIB.

[Nikolaus Priebe, Equity Research Analyst at CIBC]

Okay. If you were to exhaust that in, you know, in short order, would you be inclined to consider something a bit more substantial, like an SIB?

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

We certainly could. I mean, as we, as we, you know, talk about frequently, we do take a dynamic approach to our, to our capital allocation. If we look at the underlying, call it, sum-of-the-parts value of the different components of our business, the collective growth that we've experienced, the capital flexibility, and then the multiple at which we trade at, you know, it certainly creates opportunities for us to do, to do substantial bids as well.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

You know, as we mentioned, I, I, I've said this many times, I, I do think that there's a fundamental disconnect between how our business is performing and how our stock is trading, which is why when we see an opportunity to, to buy earnings back at 4x-4.5x, you know, we're, we're, we're very, very happy to do that, and now people are seeing it flow through to the financial results and the accretion we're able to generate. If when we complete the Normal Course Issuer Bid, if an opportunity presents itself where the stock price is attractively priced, we'd certainly consider that as an option.

[Nikolaus Priebe, Equity Research Analyst at CIBC]

Okay. That's it for me. Thank you.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Thanks.

[Operator]

Thanks, Nik. We have no further questions registered at this time. With that, I will hand back to Kurt MacAlpine for final remarks.

[Kurt MacAlpine, CEO at CI Financial]

Just wanted to thank everyone, for their interest in the company, and appreciate your participation in today's call. We look forward to next quarter.

[Operator]

This concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.

Participants

Executives

• Amit Muni, CFO
• Kurt MacAlpine, CEO

Analysts

• Geoffrey Kwan, Managing Director and Canadian Diversified Financials Analyst at RBC Capital Markets
• Graham Ryding, Senior Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities
• Kyle Voigt, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette and Woods
• Nikolaus Priebe, Equity Research Analyst at CIBC
• Tom MacKinnon, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at BMO Capital Markets