NASDAQ:CMPO CompoSecure Q3 2024 Earnings Report $11.61 -0.32 (-2.68%) As of 09/25/2026 ProfileForecast CompoSecure EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.27Consensus EPS $0.29Beat/MissMissed by -$0.02One Year Ago EPS$0.24CompoSecure Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$107.14 millionExpected Revenue$105.11 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$2.03 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACompoSecure Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date11/8/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateFriday, November 8, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Company ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by CompoSecure Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 8, 2024ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Composecure delivered 11% year-over-year net sales growth in Q3 to $107.1 million and 13% adjusted EBITDA growth to $40 million, but lowered its 2024 outlook to $418 million–$424 million in sales and $148 million–$151 million in adjusted EBITDA to fund future investments. The company simplified its capital structure through the Resolute transaction, eliminating tax distributions and unlocking approximately $20 million of additional annual free cash flow. New Executive Chairman Dave Cote and an expanded board will drive a high-performance culture, optimize operations via the Composecure operating system, reinvigorate organic growth and build M&A capabilities. Product innovation remains strong with launches such as the MirrorCard and Echo Mirror Card, a two-year extension with Capital One, and new programs with U.S. Bank, Goldman Sachs and HSBC, underscoring continued demand for premium metal payment cards. The Arculus security platform’s net investment improved to $6.5 million YTD (vs. $11 million LY) and is on track to turn profitable in 2025, leveraging FIDO-based two-factor authentication and cold storage for digital assets. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCompoSecure Q3 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to CompoSecure Q3 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Steve Feder, General Counsel. Please go ahead. Steven J. FederGeneral Counsel at CompoSecure00:00:41Good morning. Thank you for joining us to review CompoSecure's Q3 2024 financial results. With me on the call is David Cote, Executive Chairman of CompoSecure, Jon Wilk, Chief Executive Officer, and Tim Fitzsimmons, Chief Financial Officer. They will begin with prepared remarks, and then we will open the call for Q&A. During this call, we will make statements related to our business that may be considered forward-looking, including statements concerning our plans to execute on our growth strategy and our ability to maintain existing and acquire new customers, as well as other statements regarding our plans and prospects. Forward-looking statements may often be identified with words such as, "We expect," "We anticipate," or "Upcoming." These statements reflect our views only as of today and should not be considered our views as of any subsequent date. We undertake no obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements. Steven J. FederGeneral Counsel at CompoSecure00:01:32Forward-looking statements are not promises or guarantees of future performance and are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations. For a discussion of material risks and other important factors that could affect our actual results, please refer to the information in our annual report on Form 10-K and other reports filed with the SEC available on our Investor Relations section of our website and the SEC's website at sec.gov. Please note that the discussion on today's call may include certain non-GAAP financial measures, including Adjusted EBITDA, Adjusted Net Income, Adjusted EPS, and Free Cash Flow. The company believes these non-GAAP financial measures provide useful information to management and investors regarding certain financial and business trends impacting the company's financial condition and results of operations. Steven J. FederGeneral Counsel at CompoSecure00:02:22These non-GAAP financial measures should not be considered as an alternative to net income or any other performance measures derived in accordance with U.S. GAAP and may be different from similarly titled non-GAAP measures used by other companies. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP is available in our press release and earnings presentation available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Thank you. And with that said, let me turn the call over to Executive Chairman Dave Cote David CoteExecutive Chairman at CompoSecure00:02:48It's nice to address you for the first time as Executive Chairman of CompoSecure. We were attracted to the business because it hit the six hot buttons that we use to evaluate acquisitions at Honeywell: great position, good industry, technology differentiation, organic sales growth, inorganic sales growth, and margin expansion. We do see good long-term opportunity. That being said, there's work we have to do to create a high-performance culture, build our operating capability, and reinvigorate organic sales growth. That work will require additional expenses. You can see it reflected in our Q4 estimate, where we're okay on sales and lowering our Adjusted EBITDA range based on a combination of performance and expenses incurred to position for the future. David CoteExecutive Chairman at CompoSecure00:03:40In our early look at 2025, it appears sales growth could be lower than it was in 2024, and EBITDA growth about the same as this year, reflecting again a combination of performance and investment for the future. Naturally, we expect all the actions and investments to show results, but it does take time. It's the right thing to do as we establish a high-performing culture that delivers for our customers, investors, and employees. With that, I'll turn it over to Jon Wilk. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:04:13Thanks, Dave, and thank you for joining us for our Q3 Conference Call. Before discussing our results, I want to take a moment and reflect on Dave's comments where we are as a company. First, as we've previously talked about, the Resolute transaction was important as it simplified our dual-class share structure, eliminated tax distributions, and is expected to deliver approximately $20 million more in Free Cash Flow annually. Second, we are very pleased to have Dave Cote as our Executive Chairman and add several highly experienced leaders to our board. Finally, this is an exciting time for the company, and we are committed to building a culture centered on high performance, driving efficiency through the CompoSecure Operating System, reinvigorating the organic growth, and diversifying the business and customer base through a creative M&A. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:05:09We are incredibly well aligned around these priorities and look forward to working with Dave and the expanded board to drive our continued success. Now, on to the quarterly results. We delivered double-digit growth in net sales and Adjusted EBITDA for the Q3, driven by strong international performance, consistent sales execution, and continued demand for our innovative payment cards. We had numerous high-profile customer card programs launched during the quarter, which I'll highlight in a few slides, and I'm also excited to share that we recently signed a two-year contract extension with one of our larger customers, Capital One. We believe that securing this contract extension continues to demonstrate the trust our customers place in our ability to deliver consistent differentiated products at scale. Net investment from Arculus, which includes revenue less direct expense, continues to trend favorably. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:06:08Year-to-date, total net investment was $6.5 million versus $11 million during the same period last year and remains on track to turn positive in 2025. As mentioned in our press release earlier today, we've revised our 2024 outlook. Net sales guidance is now expected to range between $418 million and $424 million, and adjusted EBITDA guidance is now expected to range between $148 million and $151 million to reflect the investments for future growth that Dave spoke about. Now, turning to slide four, I always like to share our company objectives as we progress throughout the year. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:06:49We remain on track and have achieved several important milestones this year, including bringing key innovations to the market, such as the Mirror Card, completing a significant debt refinancing, enhancing our board of directors, and earning nine industry awards, including Best Security Initiative for Arculus and Best Payment Solution by a vendor for the Echo Mirror Card. Turning to slide five, you can see a few of the examples of exciting customer card programs that are launching this quarter: U.S. Bank Smartly, Goldman Sachs Debit, IDFC in India, HSBC in Singapore, as well as a few others. Looking at industry trends on slide six, over the past three quarters, our customers have experienced sustained growth in purchase volumes and new customer acquisitions. This momentum is fueled by several factors, including a robust product refresh strategy and ongoing investments in marketing and business developments. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:07:56For example, Amex spotlighted their Amex Gold Card program in their Q3 earnings. This program has become a top premium choice among Millennial and Gen Z customers and features the limited edition White Gold metal card that we mentioned last quarter. On slide seven, you can see consistent messaging about the ongoing strength of both consumers and the economy, reflected in the latest earnings announcements from our customers and partners. Consumer spending remains robust, particularly in experience-based categories like travel and dining, areas ideally suited for premium cards. For those who may be newer to CompoSecure, I wanted to provide some general insight on payment cards and why they drive value. From a cardholder standpoint, they provide a sense of quality, exclusivity, and a tactile experience that customers highly prefer. That appeal has expanded over the last 10 years. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:08:57It was first driven in the high-net-worth private bank market but has significantly expanded to the mass affluent, now Gen Z and Millennials. From an issuer perspective, metal cards offer a strong ROI by attracting new customers, encouraging increased card use and top-of-wallet spend, all at a relatively low cost compared to other rewards expense in card programs. On slide nine, when we look at differentiated capabilities, we believe CompoSecure is unique in this market. We developed this market from scratch over 20 years ago and have more than 20 years of experience in doing this. Intellectual property, including over 60 issued patents and another 35 pending, and we can scale to support our customer needs. Last year, we produced over 31 million metal cards alone. We believe there's simply no other company that can provide a combination of innovation and high-quality products at the scale that we can offer. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:10:03Which takes me to our Arculus platform on slide 10. We can add Arculus technology to any payment card to provide enhanced security for both fiat and digital assets. Arculus Authenticate can be used for login and step-up authentication to help reduce fraud and protect assets, and Arculus Cold Storage can be used to securely store and use digital assets. With that, I'll turn it over to Tim for more information on our financial performance. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:10:35Thank you, Jon, and good morning, everyone. I'll provide a more detailed overview of our Q3 2024 financial performance and then turn it back to Jon before we open the call for questions. Unless stated otherwise, all comparisons and variance commentary are on a year-over-year basis. In Q3, net sales increased by 11% to $107.1 million compared to $96.9 million. As Jon mentioned, the increase was primarily driven by our strong international growth, which more than doubled compared to the prior year as we continue to see momentum from new products. We also had a solid domestic quarter, even though it was down compared to the year-ago period. We expect domestic growth to rebound in the Q4. As mentioned, international sales performed well this quarter, up 13% or $6 million from the prior year. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:11:30Gross profit for Q3 was up 13% to $26 million compared to $22 million from the prior year, with gross margins of 52% compared to 51% in the prior year. The increase in gross margin was mainly due to favorable product mix and improved product efficiency. Adjusted EBITDA in Q3 increased by 13% to $40 million compared to $35.5 million in the prior year, with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 37.3% compared to 36.7% in the Q3 of 2023. The 69 basis points increase reflects the operating leverage inherent in our business as we drive improved efficiencies and cost management. Adjusted net income, which excludes the impact of non-cash fair value adjustments to the warrants, earn-out revaluations, and stock compensation, was up 18% in Q3 to $26 million. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:12:29As detailed in our press release today, we reported a GAAP net loss for the quarter driven entirely by the significant improvement to our stock price during the quarter, which led to a change in the fair value of the warrant liability, earn-out consideration liability, and derivative liability. These non-cash value adjustments offset net income by $108 million this quarter compared to a $6 million non-cash benefit in the year-ago period. Our adjusted diluted EPS was $0.27 per diluted share and $0.24 per diluted share in the prior year. We always like to provide you with the year-to-date results in addition to the quarter. On slide 14 and 15, you can see our year-to-date financial results, which reflect our continued growth on the top and bottom line. On that note, and as Jon mentioned earlier, we've revised our 2024 guidance. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:13:23We now expect net sales guidance to range between $418 million to $424 million, adjusted EBITDA guidance to range between $148 million and $151 million. For Q4, the implied adjusted range is $30 million to $33 million, reflecting the investment to build out our M&A capabilities. Separately, Q4 will include one-time non-recurring professional expenses of between $4 million to $6 million, excluded from the adjusted EBITDA rates that I just provided. Turning to the balance sheet, as of September 30, 2024, we had $52.7 million of cash and cash equivalents and total debt of $330 million. This includes $200 million of term loan and $130 million of exchangeable notes. This compares to cash and cash equivalents of $41.2 million and total debt of $340.3 million at December 31, 2023, and cash and cash equivalents of $23.8 million and total debt of $345 million at September 30, 2023. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:14:30Looking at our leverage ratios, we provide both our overall debt leverage ratio and our bank agreement secured debt leverage ratio as our bank agreement is calculated with slight differences. CompoSecure's secured debt leverage ratio was 1.25 times at September 30, 2024, compared to 1.39 times at December 31, 2023, and 1.48 times at September 30, 2023. At September 30, 2024, we had a bank agreement senior secured debt leverage ratio of 1.06 based on a total adjusted senior secured debt of $170 million and trailing 12-month bank adjusted EBITDA of $160 million. This compares to 1.39 times at December 31, 2023. We'd like to mention that as a result of our recent refinancing of our credit facility, we're able to reduce our senior secured indebtedness by cash on hand up to $30 million in this calculation. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:15:30Now, turning to our cash flow statement on slide 18, you can see that the net cash provided by operating activities year-to-date was $94 million, up 21% versus the comparable period last year. I also want to take a moment to reiterate the impact of the Resolute Holdings transaction completed on September 17. As a reminder, the selling shareholders exchanged all of their Class B units for Class A shares, and Resolute acquired 49.3 million Class A shares, representing approximately 60% of CompoSecure's outstanding shares. Therefore, tax distributions to the former unit holders of our subsidiary LLC will no longer take place. We will pay taxes as a C Corp going forward with the anticipation of approximately $20 million of additional free cash flow per year. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:16:23At September 30, 2024, CompoSecure had 82.7 million shares outstanding, all of which were Class A shares, with the increase resulting from the Resolute Holdings transaction. I'll now turn it back to Jon to provide closing remarks. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:16:39Thank you, Tim. As we are two months from closing out the year, I want to take the opportunity to provide some early thoughts on 2025. You can see on page 19 some headwinds and tailwinds. As our market expands, we continue to monitor closely increased competition as well as the use of digital wallets. In addition, we, as many companies, continue to face rising labor costs and competition for top talent, in addition to some global uncertainty that still looms for 2025. When we look at the tailwinds, heading into 2025, we've got strong long-term contracts, solid backlog, and confidence in the metal card market supported by positive customer sentiment. With a growing focus on fraud reduction, we see opportunities to make an impact with Arculus Authenticate, and we plan to continue our commitment to innovation with a robust pipeline. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:17:39We also anticipate greater supply chain stability, enabling more consistent material costs, and expect strong cash flow to support business diversification and growth through a creative M&A activity. I want to conclude by highlighting a few key points we covered today. We delivered strong results with growth on both the top and bottom line, driven by international performance and consistent sales execution, and we signed a two-year contract extension with one of our larger customers. Our customers are reporting sustained growth and commitment to ongoing marketing investment for premium card programs, which reaffirms our belief in a strong growing market for metal payment cards. Arculus' net investment continues to trend favorably, and we remain on track for Arculus to turn profitable in 2025. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:18:33With the addition of David Cote as our Executive Chairman and new prominent leaders on the board, we are well-equipped to continue driving organic growth, maximizing operating efficiencies in the business, and pursuing new strategic growth opportunities through M&A. With that, I'd like to open up the call for Q&A. Operator00:18:55Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of John Todaro from Needham & Co. John TodaroSenior Analyst at Needham & Co00:19:23Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question, and congrats on all the progress that we've seen over the last quarter. I guess first, if I could get into one, can you just give us a little bit better sense on M&A, whether that would be focused on the supplier side to grow margin, or are we talking more different revenue opportunities with different business segments? And then second, I would love to get David's view on digital authentication in Arculus and where he kind of sees that business long-term and any kind of strategy there. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:19:58Thanks, Jon. I'll take the first one first. So when we think about M&A, right, we've talked about looking really up and down the value chain. Think about things that could be close in to things that we do today, to things adjacent to what we do today, or things that Compo's expertise would sort of be well aligned to, and/or things that fall into Dave's wheelhouse and his experience set. So we are looking sort of up and down the value chain, but it's still early for us in terms of talking more specifically than that. And with that, I'll let Dave answer around Arculus Authenticate and that technology in general. David CoteExecutive Chairman at CompoSecure00:20:40Yeah. When it comes to Arculus, I'd say for a technology neophyte like me, it takes a little bit of work in the beginning to try to understand what exactly is it doing. Once you do, it's actually pretty impressive. So the technology's there. We spent a lot of money to develop it. I like what it looks like. The thing that we need to do a better job with is the go-to-market and having customers internalize what's there and how they can use it to save money themselves, just preventing fraud. So that's part of the thing that we have to solve here is how do we do that? But I like the technology. John TodaroSenior Analyst at Needham & Co00:21:27Great. Thank you both. Appreciate it. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:21:30Thanks, Jon. Operator00:21:31Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Cassie Chan from Bank of America. Cassie ChanGlobal Research Associate at Bank of America00:21:43Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I guess just wanted to ask on the implied Q4 guide that you guys gave, can you just give a little bit more color as to, obviously, it implies a pretty significant deceleration versus the Q3 relative to the 11% revenue growth? And just any expectations around the international versus domestic piece? Obviously, international saw really strong growth. Are you expecting that to carry over into the Q4 as well? And then I have a follow-up on Free Cash Flow. Thank you. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:22:14Thanks, Cassie. So when we step back and look at the year, right, we had guided at the start of the year $408-$428. Our updated guide is $418-$424. Just reflective of where we think we finished the year, Q4 for us, as you look at last year, you see some down relative to Q3, and that's not abnormal for us. So finishing up, we think overall above the midpoint of where we guided for the year. And on the international side, yeah, we definitely saw a strong Q3. What I've said is international will just be lumpier than the domestic business. And think about international for the year, right, at approximately 20%. Think of that range 17%-23%, given where we started the year. I've said last quarter, think of it on perhaps the lower end of that range. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:23:23So a nice recovery in terms of international performance in Q2, Q3, but we'll always see some volatility in that number. Cassie ChanGlobal Research Associate at Bank of America00:23:33Okay. That's helpful. And then I guess just on free cash flow, just anything about what's driving that? And then obviously, the Resolute investment helped unlock another $20 million. I guess what free cash flow growth could look like going forward in the future as well? What levers do you have there? Thank you. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:23:51Cassie, we haven't given a forward free cash flow forecast. What we've given is the increase that we believe we'll see because of the Resolute transaction. And I think we talked last time about the levers that drive it with the reduced tax distributions, increased actual cash tax payments with the Tax Receivable Agreement, the net of those three being an increase of, we believe, $20 million a year annually in free cash flow that we can use to reinvest back in the business. Cassie ChanGlobal Research Associate at Bank of America00:24:32Got it. Thank you. Operator00:24:36Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jacob Stephan from Lake Street Capital Markets. Jacob StephanSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street00:24:49Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Congrats on all the progress you guys have made in the last quarter here as well. Just kind of wanted to ask on Arculus a little bit. Obviously, some positive commentary on track to turn positive in 2025. But over the last kind of week or so here, we've seen some announcements out of Capital One Visa kind of fraud prevention. How does Arculus currently stack up? And is there anything that you guys can do to differentiate yourself there in this environment? Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:25:22Yeah. So if you look, as our understanding of the Visa solution, it ties to cardholder but not individual. It doesn't solve the same fraud problems that we see in the market in terms of being able to use the two-factor authentication for step-up authentication for medium to high-risk transactions. And yes, we do see other technologies out there. The benefit to Arculus, right, is it's using the FIDO standard, which we believe people are coalescing around in terms of large tech companies: Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, etc., leveraging that in a new and novel way by incorporating it into a payment card. And Jacob, we believe, we're the first and only people that are doing that with a FIDO authentication token at this point. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:26:21So I share Dave's comments in terms of, "I'm really pleased with the technology we've built." I've said, and I'll say again, "We want to see more progress in the market." And when we look at the conversations we're having and the pipeline ahead, we feel good about that. Jacob StephanSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street00:26:45Got it. That's helpful. And maybe just if I could kind of ask a broader strategy question. Dave, you've been at the Compo for a little bit here now. What are you seeing internally in the business areas that you could overall improve efficiency today? David CoteExecutive Chairman at CompoSecure00:27:06That's kind of a comprehensive question for me because there's very little I ever look at in any company that I'm associated with that I don't think can be better, whether it's operations, sales, M&A, so I would point to everything just like I did at Vertiv and just like I did at Honeywell, so you'll see us working on everything. Jacob StephanSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street00:27:29Okay. David CoteExecutive Chairman at CompoSecure00:27:30It comes back to you've heard me probably say this before, but I always say any company is just an accumulation of processes, most of them cross-functional. And if you truly believe every process can be made more efficient and more effective, well, that gives you a lot of work to do and a lot of upside. So I feel good about all the, let's say, opportunity that we have here. Jacob StephanSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street00:27:57Okay. Got it. Thank you, guys. Operator00:28:01Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Hal Goetsch from B. Riley Securities. Hal GoetschSenior Managing Director at B. Riley Securities00:28:13Hey, good morning, guys. Hey, can you just get a little more color on the cost in Q4 and maybe ongoing for the M&A infrastructure? Can you just give us a little more detail on that? Is that an entire team of people? Is it a permanent several million-dollar increase in your fixed cost structure to implement your infrastructure? Give us some thoughts on that, thanks. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:28:38So we're making investments in building out M&A capability inside this company. And yes, that starts with there were a team of folks working with Dave and Tom Knott that actually identified CompoSecure as an opportunity and led to this transaction. We have brought those resources in-house to help drive that function for this company. Yes, those would be some of the ongoing expenses that we will see. We think it's a critical investment for the future that Dave talked about earlier. In addition, there are just some one-time costs closing out the transaction as we look to position ourselves for future M&A. Hal GoetschSenior Managing Director at B. Riley Securities00:29:26But the ongoing cost, would you say it's $2 million-$4 million a quarter? Give us a thought on what it is. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:29:34We haven't broken that estimate out yet, Hal. And there's more in that bucket. So please don't use that as your guide forward. No, that would not be the right number, so. Hal GoetschSenior Managing Director at B. Riley Securities00:29:48Okay. All right. Thank you. Operator00:29:53Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Reggie Smith from JPM. Reggie SmithExecutive Director and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:30:05Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I was disconnected, and so you may have covered this already, David, but I'm curious. You mentioned the culture of excellence, and I heard the last question about, or the last answer, rather, about kind of looking at everything and cleaning things up, but curious, how do you define that, and if you could, give us a roadmap of how cleaning that up or improving that looks. Does it require different operators, or how should we think about that, and how long it would take to achieve that? Thank you, and I got a follow-up question. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:30:43Thanks, Reggie. So when we look at that kind of work, Reggie, as an example, I will continue to refer to the CompoSecure Operating System. This is building on work that Dave and team did at Honeywell and have done at Vertiv as well in terms of putting in far more systematic ways at looking at improving the efficiency and effectiveness of all of the processes that we've had here. So Reggie, if you think about it, right, we've grown from a company when I started, we were about $90 million in revenue. This year, we're $400 million plus, right? As you think about the maturing of that company and the operational processes, using these tools and frameworks to drive out that efficiency and effectiveness. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:31:33We're literally sitting in a conference room as we speak with value stream maps up on the walls, looking at opportunities and how we can attack them. So we look to make improvements as we move through 2025 that will help margins and/or reinvest back in the business to fuel our growth. But we are incredibly serious about it from our side in embracing some of these concepts and tools. Reggie SmithExecutive Director and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:32:05Sounds like it. I appreciate that. And then there was a comment or phrase in the release where they talked about, or Dave mentioned, opportunities and challenges. And I noticed you guys included a slide in the presentation where you called out, I think, competition in metal cards and acknowledged digital wallets. Wasn't sure if those two concepts were at all linked. Maybe talk a little bit about the challenges that are exciting you guys. Thanks. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:32:40Yeah. So Reggie, we highlighted both headwinds and tailwinds. And this is something stylistically, I think, that Dave has done historically at Honeywell and Vertiv and other places and likes to, as we're ending a year, starting a year, sort of help give a state of the state and what's happening. So we tried to outline both on that page. And we've talked, I think, almost every time about some of the things on the right side in terms of tailwinds, which is competition, competitors that are out there. We've been competing for the last four or five years with a number of the traditional card manufacturers and others. And it's something we continue to monitor closely as we have in past years. And the work that we're doing around the operating system, right, a lot of that puts us in a more competitive position over time. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:33:37The digital wallet comment is one that if people ask me, "What keeps you up at night?" It's something we're always watching, Reggie. But my conclusions about digital wallets haven't changed. Cards are going to be around a long time in terms of what we've seen from consumers. A lot of that fueled by tap-to-pay and its capability at point of sale. Reggie SmithExecutive Director and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:34:02That makes sense. And I agree. I think cards will be around for a while as well. Thanks for taking the questions. Appreciate it. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:34:08Thanks, Reggie. Operator00:34:10Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. 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Email Address About CompoSecureCompoSecure (NASDAQ:CMPO) (NASDAQ: CMPO) develops payment, security and authentication products for financial institutions, fintech companies, governments and other organizations. The company is best known for manufacturing and personalizing premium metal payment cards, which are designed to provide enhanced durability and a differentiated customer experience compared with traditional plastic cards. CompoSecure also offers digital security products through its Arculus platform. Arculus combines a hardware wallet and mobile application to help users securely store, manage and transact with digital assets. The platform is intended to provide protection for private keys and support digital-asset authentication and access. Founded in 2000 and headquartered in Somerset, New Jersey, CompoSecure serves customers in the United States and international markets. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to CompoSecure Q3 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Steve Feder, General Counsel. Please go ahead. Steven J. FederGeneral Counsel at CompoSecure00:00:41Good morning. Thank you for joining us to review CompoSecure's Q3 2024 financial results. With me on the call is David Cote, Executive Chairman of CompoSecure, Jon Wilk, Chief Executive Officer, and Tim Fitzsimmons, Chief Financial Officer. They will begin with prepared remarks, and then we will open the call for Q&A. During this call, we will make statements related to our business that may be considered forward-looking, including statements concerning our plans to execute on our growth strategy and our ability to maintain existing and acquire new customers, as well as other statements regarding our plans and prospects. Forward-looking statements may often be identified with words such as, "We expect," "We anticipate," or "Upcoming." These statements reflect our views only as of today and should not be considered our views as of any subsequent date. We undertake no obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements. Steven J. FederGeneral Counsel at CompoSecure00:01:32Forward-looking statements are not promises or guarantees of future performance and are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations. For a discussion of material risks and other important factors that could affect our actual results, please refer to the information in our annual report on Form 10-K and other reports filed with the SEC available on our Investor Relations section of our website and the SEC's website at sec.gov. Please note that the discussion on today's call may include certain non-GAAP financial measures, including Adjusted EBITDA, Adjusted Net Income, Adjusted EPS, and Free Cash Flow. The company believes these non-GAAP financial measures provide useful information to management and investors regarding certain financial and business trends impacting the company's financial condition and results of operations. Steven J. FederGeneral Counsel at CompoSecure00:02:22These non-GAAP financial measures should not be considered as an alternative to net income or any other performance measures derived in accordance with U.S. GAAP and may be different from similarly titled non-GAAP measures used by other companies. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP is available in our press release and earnings presentation available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Thank you. And with that said, let me turn the call over to Executive Chairman Dave Cote David CoteExecutive Chairman at CompoSecure00:02:48It's nice to address you for the first time as Executive Chairman of CompoSecure. We were attracted to the business because it hit the six hot buttons that we use to evaluate acquisitions at Honeywell: great position, good industry, technology differentiation, organic sales growth, inorganic sales growth, and margin expansion. We do see good long-term opportunity. That being said, there's work we have to do to create a high-performance culture, build our operating capability, and reinvigorate organic sales growth. That work will require additional expenses. You can see it reflected in our Q4 estimate, where we're okay on sales and lowering our Adjusted EBITDA range based on a combination of performance and expenses incurred to position for the future. David CoteExecutive Chairman at CompoSecure00:03:40In our early look at 2025, it appears sales growth could be lower than it was in 2024, and EBITDA growth about the same as this year, reflecting again a combination of performance and investment for the future. Naturally, we expect all the actions and investments to show results, but it does take time. It's the right thing to do as we establish a high-performing culture that delivers for our customers, investors, and employees. With that, I'll turn it over to Jon Wilk. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:04:13Thanks, Dave, and thank you for joining us for our Q3 Conference Call. Before discussing our results, I want to take a moment and reflect on Dave's comments where we are as a company. First, as we've previously talked about, the Resolute transaction was important as it simplified our dual-class share structure, eliminated tax distributions, and is expected to deliver approximately $20 million more in Free Cash Flow annually. Second, we are very pleased to have Dave Cote as our Executive Chairman and add several highly experienced leaders to our board. Finally, this is an exciting time for the company, and we are committed to building a culture centered on high performance, driving efficiency through the CompoSecure Operating System, reinvigorating the organic growth, and diversifying the business and customer base through a creative M&A. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:05:09We are incredibly well aligned around these priorities and look forward to working with Dave and the expanded board to drive our continued success. Now, on to the quarterly results. We delivered double-digit growth in net sales and Adjusted EBITDA for the Q3, driven by strong international performance, consistent sales execution, and continued demand for our innovative payment cards. We had numerous high-profile customer card programs launched during the quarter, which I'll highlight in a few slides, and I'm also excited to share that we recently signed a two-year contract extension with one of our larger customers, Capital One. We believe that securing this contract extension continues to demonstrate the trust our customers place in our ability to deliver consistent differentiated products at scale. Net investment from Arculus, which includes revenue less direct expense, continues to trend favorably. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:06:08Year-to-date, total net investment was $6.5 million versus $11 million during the same period last year and remains on track to turn positive in 2025. As mentioned in our press release earlier today, we've revised our 2024 outlook. Net sales guidance is now expected to range between $418 million and $424 million, and adjusted EBITDA guidance is now expected to range between $148 million and $151 million to reflect the investments for future growth that Dave spoke about. Now, turning to slide four, I always like to share our company objectives as we progress throughout the year. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:06:49We remain on track and have achieved several important milestones this year, including bringing key innovations to the market, such as the Mirror Card, completing a significant debt refinancing, enhancing our board of directors, and earning nine industry awards, including Best Security Initiative for Arculus and Best Payment Solution by a vendor for the Echo Mirror Card. Turning to slide five, you can see a few of the examples of exciting customer card programs that are launching this quarter: U.S. Bank Smartly, Goldman Sachs Debit, IDFC in India, HSBC in Singapore, as well as a few others. Looking at industry trends on slide six, over the past three quarters, our customers have experienced sustained growth in purchase volumes and new customer acquisitions. This momentum is fueled by several factors, including a robust product refresh strategy and ongoing investments in marketing and business developments. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:07:56For example, Amex spotlighted their Amex Gold Card program in their Q3 earnings. This program has become a top premium choice among Millennial and Gen Z customers and features the limited edition White Gold metal card that we mentioned last quarter. On slide seven, you can see consistent messaging about the ongoing strength of both consumers and the economy, reflected in the latest earnings announcements from our customers and partners. Consumer spending remains robust, particularly in experience-based categories like travel and dining, areas ideally suited for premium cards. For those who may be newer to CompoSecure, I wanted to provide some general insight on payment cards and why they drive value. From a cardholder standpoint, they provide a sense of quality, exclusivity, and a tactile experience that customers highly prefer. That appeal has expanded over the last 10 years. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:08:57It was first driven in the high-net-worth private bank market but has significantly expanded to the mass affluent, now Gen Z and Millennials. From an issuer perspective, metal cards offer a strong ROI by attracting new customers, encouraging increased card use and top-of-wallet spend, all at a relatively low cost compared to other rewards expense in card programs. On slide nine, when we look at differentiated capabilities, we believe CompoSecure is unique in this market. We developed this market from scratch over 20 years ago and have more than 20 years of experience in doing this. Intellectual property, including over 60 issued patents and another 35 pending, and we can scale to support our customer needs. Last year, we produced over 31 million metal cards alone. We believe there's simply no other company that can provide a combination of innovation and high-quality products at the scale that we can offer. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:10:03Which takes me to our Arculus platform on slide 10. We can add Arculus technology to any payment card to provide enhanced security for both fiat and digital assets. Arculus Authenticate can be used for login and step-up authentication to help reduce fraud and protect assets, and Arculus Cold Storage can be used to securely store and use digital assets. With that, I'll turn it over to Tim for more information on our financial performance. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:10:35Thank you, Jon, and good morning, everyone. I'll provide a more detailed overview of our Q3 2024 financial performance and then turn it back to Jon before we open the call for questions. Unless stated otherwise, all comparisons and variance commentary are on a year-over-year basis. In Q3, net sales increased by 11% to $107.1 million compared to $96.9 million. As Jon mentioned, the increase was primarily driven by our strong international growth, which more than doubled compared to the prior year as we continue to see momentum from new products. We also had a solid domestic quarter, even though it was down compared to the year-ago period. We expect domestic growth to rebound in the Q4. As mentioned, international sales performed well this quarter, up 13% or $6 million from the prior year. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:11:30Gross profit for Q3 was up 13% to $26 million compared to $22 million from the prior year, with gross margins of 52% compared to 51% in the prior year. The increase in gross margin was mainly due to favorable product mix and improved product efficiency. Adjusted EBITDA in Q3 increased by 13% to $40 million compared to $35.5 million in the prior year, with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 37.3% compared to 36.7% in the Q3 of 2023. The 69 basis points increase reflects the operating leverage inherent in our business as we drive improved efficiencies and cost management. Adjusted net income, which excludes the impact of non-cash fair value adjustments to the warrants, earn-out revaluations, and stock compensation, was up 18% in Q3 to $26 million. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:12:29As detailed in our press release today, we reported a GAAP net loss for the quarter driven entirely by the significant improvement to our stock price during the quarter, which led to a change in the fair value of the warrant liability, earn-out consideration liability, and derivative liability. These non-cash value adjustments offset net income by $108 million this quarter compared to a $6 million non-cash benefit in the year-ago period. Our adjusted diluted EPS was $0.27 per diluted share and $0.24 per diluted share in the prior year. We always like to provide you with the year-to-date results in addition to the quarter. On slide 14 and 15, you can see our year-to-date financial results, which reflect our continued growth on the top and bottom line. On that note, and as Jon mentioned earlier, we've revised our 2024 guidance. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:13:23We now expect net sales guidance to range between $418 million to $424 million, adjusted EBITDA guidance to range between $148 million and $151 million. For Q4, the implied adjusted range is $30 million to $33 million, reflecting the investment to build out our M&A capabilities. Separately, Q4 will include one-time non-recurring professional expenses of between $4 million to $6 million, excluded from the adjusted EBITDA rates that I just provided. Turning to the balance sheet, as of September 30, 2024, we had $52.7 million of cash and cash equivalents and total debt of $330 million. This includes $200 million of term loan and $130 million of exchangeable notes. This compares to cash and cash equivalents of $41.2 million and total debt of $340.3 million at December 31, 2023, and cash and cash equivalents of $23.8 million and total debt of $345 million at September 30, 2023. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:14:30Looking at our leverage ratios, we provide both our overall debt leverage ratio and our bank agreement secured debt leverage ratio as our bank agreement is calculated with slight differences. CompoSecure's secured debt leverage ratio was 1.25 times at September 30, 2024, compared to 1.39 times at December 31, 2023, and 1.48 times at September 30, 2023. At September 30, 2024, we had a bank agreement senior secured debt leverage ratio of 1.06 based on a total adjusted senior secured debt of $170 million and trailing 12-month bank adjusted EBITDA of $160 million. This compares to 1.39 times at December 31, 2023. We'd like to mention that as a result of our recent refinancing of our credit facility, we're able to reduce our senior secured indebtedness by cash on hand up to $30 million in this calculation. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:15:30Now, turning to our cash flow statement on slide 18, you can see that the net cash provided by operating activities year-to-date was $94 million, up 21% versus the comparable period last year. I also want to take a moment to reiterate the impact of the Resolute Holdings transaction completed on September 17. As a reminder, the selling shareholders exchanged all of their Class B units for Class A shares, and Resolute acquired 49.3 million Class A shares, representing approximately 60% of CompoSecure's outstanding shares. Therefore, tax distributions to the former unit holders of our subsidiary LLC will no longer take place. We will pay taxes as a C Corp going forward with the anticipation of approximately $20 million of additional free cash flow per year. Timothy FitzsimmonsCFO at CompoSecure00:16:23At September 30, 2024, CompoSecure had 82.7 million shares outstanding, all of which were Class A shares, with the increase resulting from the Resolute Holdings transaction. I'll now turn it back to Jon to provide closing remarks. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:16:39Thank you, Tim. As we are two months from closing out the year, I want to take the opportunity to provide some early thoughts on 2025. You can see on page 19 some headwinds and tailwinds. As our market expands, we continue to monitor closely increased competition as well as the use of digital wallets. In addition, we, as many companies, continue to face rising labor costs and competition for top talent, in addition to some global uncertainty that still looms for 2025. When we look at the tailwinds, heading into 2025, we've got strong long-term contracts, solid backlog, and confidence in the metal card market supported by positive customer sentiment. With a growing focus on fraud reduction, we see opportunities to make an impact with Arculus Authenticate, and we plan to continue our commitment to innovation with a robust pipeline. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:17:39We also anticipate greater supply chain stability, enabling more consistent material costs, and expect strong cash flow to support business diversification and growth through a creative M&A activity. I want to conclude by highlighting a few key points we covered today. We delivered strong results with growth on both the top and bottom line, driven by international performance and consistent sales execution, and we signed a two-year contract extension with one of our larger customers. Our customers are reporting sustained growth and commitment to ongoing marketing investment for premium card programs, which reaffirms our belief in a strong growing market for metal payment cards. Arculus' net investment continues to trend favorably, and we remain on track for Arculus to turn profitable in 2025. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:18:33With the addition of David Cote as our Executive Chairman and new prominent leaders on the board, we are well-equipped to continue driving organic growth, maximizing operating efficiencies in the business, and pursuing new strategic growth opportunities through M&A. With that, I'd like to open up the call for Q&A. Operator00:18:55Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of John Todaro from Needham & Co. John TodaroSenior Analyst at Needham & Co00:19:23Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question, and congrats on all the progress that we've seen over the last quarter. I guess first, if I could get into one, can you just give us a little bit better sense on M&A, whether that would be focused on the supplier side to grow margin, or are we talking more different revenue opportunities with different business segments? And then second, I would love to get David's view on digital authentication in Arculus and where he kind of sees that business long-term and any kind of strategy there. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:19:58Thanks, Jon. I'll take the first one first. So when we think about M&A, right, we've talked about looking really up and down the value chain. Think about things that could be close in to things that we do today, to things adjacent to what we do today, or things that Compo's expertise would sort of be well aligned to, and/or things that fall into Dave's wheelhouse and his experience set. So we are looking sort of up and down the value chain, but it's still early for us in terms of talking more specifically than that. And with that, I'll let Dave answer around Arculus Authenticate and that technology in general. David CoteExecutive Chairman at CompoSecure00:20:40Yeah. When it comes to Arculus, I'd say for a technology neophyte like me, it takes a little bit of work in the beginning to try to understand what exactly is it doing. Once you do, it's actually pretty impressive. So the technology's there. We spent a lot of money to develop it. I like what it looks like. The thing that we need to do a better job with is the go-to-market and having customers internalize what's there and how they can use it to save money themselves, just preventing fraud. So that's part of the thing that we have to solve here is how do we do that? But I like the technology. John TodaroSenior Analyst at Needham & Co00:21:27Great. Thank you both. Appreciate it. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:21:30Thanks, Jon. Operator00:21:31Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Cassie Chan from Bank of America. Cassie ChanGlobal Research Associate at Bank of America00:21:43Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I guess just wanted to ask on the implied Q4 guide that you guys gave, can you just give a little bit more color as to, obviously, it implies a pretty significant deceleration versus the Q3 relative to the 11% revenue growth? And just any expectations around the international versus domestic piece? Obviously, international saw really strong growth. Are you expecting that to carry over into the Q4 as well? And then I have a follow-up on Free Cash Flow. Thank you. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:22:14Thanks, Cassie. So when we step back and look at the year, right, we had guided at the start of the year $408-$428. Our updated guide is $418-$424. Just reflective of where we think we finished the year, Q4 for us, as you look at last year, you see some down relative to Q3, and that's not abnormal for us. So finishing up, we think overall above the midpoint of where we guided for the year. And on the international side, yeah, we definitely saw a strong Q3. What I've said is international will just be lumpier than the domestic business. And think about international for the year, right, at approximately 20%. Think of that range 17%-23%, given where we started the year. I've said last quarter, think of it on perhaps the lower end of that range. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:23:23So a nice recovery in terms of international performance in Q2, Q3, but we'll always see some volatility in that number. Cassie ChanGlobal Research Associate at Bank of America00:23:33Okay. That's helpful. And then I guess just on free cash flow, just anything about what's driving that? And then obviously, the Resolute investment helped unlock another $20 million. I guess what free cash flow growth could look like going forward in the future as well? What levers do you have there? Thank you. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:23:51Cassie, we haven't given a forward free cash flow forecast. What we've given is the increase that we believe we'll see because of the Resolute transaction. And I think we talked last time about the levers that drive it with the reduced tax distributions, increased actual cash tax payments with the Tax Receivable Agreement, the net of those three being an increase of, we believe, $20 million a year annually in free cash flow that we can use to reinvest back in the business. Cassie ChanGlobal Research Associate at Bank of America00:24:32Got it. Thank you. Operator00:24:36Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jacob Stephan from Lake Street Capital Markets. Jacob StephanSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street00:24:49Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Congrats on all the progress you guys have made in the last quarter here as well. Just kind of wanted to ask on Arculus a little bit. Obviously, some positive commentary on track to turn positive in 2025. But over the last kind of week or so here, we've seen some announcements out of Capital One Visa kind of fraud prevention. How does Arculus currently stack up? And is there anything that you guys can do to differentiate yourself there in this environment? Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:25:22Yeah. So if you look, as our understanding of the Visa solution, it ties to cardholder but not individual. It doesn't solve the same fraud problems that we see in the market in terms of being able to use the two-factor authentication for step-up authentication for medium to high-risk transactions. And yes, we do see other technologies out there. The benefit to Arculus, right, is it's using the FIDO standard, which we believe people are coalescing around in terms of large tech companies: Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, etc., leveraging that in a new and novel way by incorporating it into a payment card. And Jacob, we believe, we're the first and only people that are doing that with a FIDO authentication token at this point. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:26:21So I share Dave's comments in terms of, "I'm really pleased with the technology we've built." I've said, and I'll say again, "We want to see more progress in the market." And when we look at the conversations we're having and the pipeline ahead, we feel good about that. Jacob StephanSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street00:26:45Got it. That's helpful. And maybe just if I could kind of ask a broader strategy question. Dave, you've been at the Compo for a little bit here now. What are you seeing internally in the business areas that you could overall improve efficiency today? David CoteExecutive Chairman at CompoSecure00:27:06That's kind of a comprehensive question for me because there's very little I ever look at in any company that I'm associated with that I don't think can be better, whether it's operations, sales, M&A, so I would point to everything just like I did at Vertiv and just like I did at Honeywell, so you'll see us working on everything. Jacob StephanSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street00:27:29Okay. David CoteExecutive Chairman at CompoSecure00:27:30It comes back to you've heard me probably say this before, but I always say any company is just an accumulation of processes, most of them cross-functional. And if you truly believe every process can be made more efficient and more effective, well, that gives you a lot of work to do and a lot of upside. So I feel good about all the, let's say, opportunity that we have here. Jacob StephanSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street00:27:57Okay. Got it. Thank you, guys. Operator00:28:01Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Hal Goetsch from B. Riley Securities. Hal GoetschSenior Managing Director at B. Riley Securities00:28:13Hey, good morning, guys. Hey, can you just get a little more color on the cost in Q4 and maybe ongoing for the M&A infrastructure? Can you just give us a little more detail on that? Is that an entire team of people? Is it a permanent several million-dollar increase in your fixed cost structure to implement your infrastructure? Give us some thoughts on that, thanks. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:28:38So we're making investments in building out M&A capability inside this company. And yes, that starts with there were a team of folks working with Dave and Tom Knott that actually identified CompoSecure as an opportunity and led to this transaction. We have brought those resources in-house to help drive that function for this company. Yes, those would be some of the ongoing expenses that we will see. We think it's a critical investment for the future that Dave talked about earlier. In addition, there are just some one-time costs closing out the transaction as we look to position ourselves for future M&A. Hal GoetschSenior Managing Director at B. Riley Securities00:29:26But the ongoing cost, would you say it's $2 million-$4 million a quarter? Give us a thought on what it is. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:29:34We haven't broken that estimate out yet, Hal. And there's more in that bucket. So please don't use that as your guide forward. No, that would not be the right number, so. Hal GoetschSenior Managing Director at B. Riley Securities00:29:48Okay. All right. Thank you. Operator00:29:53Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Reggie Smith from JPM. Reggie SmithExecutive Director and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:30:05Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I was disconnected, and so you may have covered this already, David, but I'm curious. You mentioned the culture of excellence, and I heard the last question about, or the last answer, rather, about kind of looking at everything and cleaning things up, but curious, how do you define that, and if you could, give us a roadmap of how cleaning that up or improving that looks. Does it require different operators, or how should we think about that, and how long it would take to achieve that? Thank you, and I got a follow-up question. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:30:43Thanks, Reggie. So when we look at that kind of work, Reggie, as an example, I will continue to refer to the CompoSecure Operating System. This is building on work that Dave and team did at Honeywell and have done at Vertiv as well in terms of putting in far more systematic ways at looking at improving the efficiency and effectiveness of all of the processes that we've had here. So Reggie, if you think about it, right, we've grown from a company when I started, we were about $90 million in revenue. This year, we're $400 million plus, right? As you think about the maturing of that company and the operational processes, using these tools and frameworks to drive out that efficiency and effectiveness. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:31:33We're literally sitting in a conference room as we speak with value stream maps up on the walls, looking at opportunities and how we can attack them. So we look to make improvements as we move through 2025 that will help margins and/or reinvest back in the business to fuel our growth. But we are incredibly serious about it from our side in embracing some of these concepts and tools. Reggie SmithExecutive Director and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:32:05Sounds like it. I appreciate that. And then there was a comment or phrase in the release where they talked about, or Dave mentioned, opportunities and challenges. And I noticed you guys included a slide in the presentation where you called out, I think, competition in metal cards and acknowledged digital wallets. Wasn't sure if those two concepts were at all linked. Maybe talk a little bit about the challenges that are exciting you guys. Thanks. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:32:40Yeah. So Reggie, we highlighted both headwinds and tailwinds. And this is something stylistically, I think, that Dave has done historically at Honeywell and Vertiv and other places and likes to, as we're ending a year, starting a year, sort of help give a state of the state and what's happening. So we tried to outline both on that page. And we've talked, I think, almost every time about some of the things on the right side in terms of tailwinds, which is competition, competitors that are out there. We've been competing for the last four or five years with a number of the traditional card manufacturers and others. And it's something we continue to monitor closely as we have in past years. And the work that we're doing around the operating system, right, a lot of that puts us in a more competitive position over time. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:33:37The digital wallet comment is one that if people ask me, "What keeps you up at night?" It's something we're always watching, Reggie. But my conclusions about digital wallets haven't changed. Cards are going to be around a long time in terms of what we've seen from consumers. A lot of that fueled by tap-to-pay and its capability at point of sale. Reggie SmithExecutive Director and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:34:02That makes sense. And I agree. I think cards will be around for a while as well. Thanks for taking the questions. Appreciate it. Jonathan WilkCEO at CompoSecure00:34:08Thanks, Reggie. Operator00:34:10Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesSteven J. FederGeneral CounselJonathan WilkCEOTimothy FitzsimmonsCFODavid CoteExecutive ChairmanAnalystsJohn TodaroSenior Analyst at Needham & CoCassie ChanGlobal Research Associate at Bank of AmericaHal GoetschSenior Managing Director at B. Riley SecuritiesReggie SmithExecutive Director and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorganJacob StephanSenior Research Analyst at Lake StreetPowered by