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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Royal Caribbean Cruises EPS ResultsActual EPS$3.21Consensus EPS $2.76Beat/MissBeat by +$0.45One Year Ago EPS$1.82Royal Caribbean Cruises Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$4.10 billionExpected Revenue$4.05 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$52.06 millionYoY Revenue Growth+16.40%Royal Caribbean Cruises Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date7/25/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, July 25, 2024Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsRoyal Caribbean Cruises' Q2 2026 earnings is estimated for Tuesday, August 4, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled on Tuesday, July 28, 2026 at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Royal Caribbean Cruises Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 25, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Trifecta achieved 18 months early, enabling the reinstatement of a $0.40 quarterly dividend and signaling strong financial health. In Q2, Royal Caribbean delivered ~2 million vacations with 13.3% yield growth and beat EPS guidance by $0.51, driven by robust pricing and favorable cost timing. Full-year 2024 guidance raised to 10.4%–10.9% net yield growth and 68% adjusted EPS growth, with EBITDA margins expected to be 300 basis points above last year. 2024 bookings continue to outpace last year despite fewer staterooms, boosting pricing power across the Caribbean, Europe, and Alaska itineraries. Fleet and experience expansion advances: delivered Utopia of the Seas and Silver Ray, with new ships (Celebrity XL, Star of the Seas, ICON and Oasis class) and private destinations coming in 2025–28. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallRoyal Caribbean Cruises Q2 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00I would now like to introduce Michael McCarthy, Vice President of Investor Relations. Mr. McCarthy, the floor is yours. Michael McCarthyHead of Investor Relations at Royal Caribbean Group00:00:07Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for our second quarter 2024 earnings call. Joining me here in Miami are Jason Liberty, our Chief Executive Officer, Naftali Holtz, our Chief Financial Officer, and Michael Bayley, President and CEO of Royal Caribbean International. Before we get started, I'd like to note that we will be making forward-looking statements during this call. These statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. Please refer to our earnings release issued this morning, as well as our filings with the SEC for a description of these factors. We do not undertake to update any forward-looking statements as circumstances change. Michael McCarthyHead of Investor Relations at Royal Caribbean Group00:00:53Also, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures, which are adjusted, as defined in a reconciliation of all non-GAAP items, can be found on our investor website and in our earnings release. Unless we state otherwise, all metrics are on a constant currency-adjusted basis. Jason will begin the call by providing a strategic overview and update on the business. Naftali will follow with a recap of our second quarter, the current booking environment, and our updated outlook for 2024. We will then open the call for your questions. With that, I'm pleased to turn the call over to Jason. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:01:32Thank you, Michael, and good morning, everyone. I am proud to share our outstanding second quarter results and the continued upward trajectory of our business. As you saw in the press release this morning, our momentum continues. Demand for the incredible experiences our leading brands deliver continue to be robust. As a result, we achieved Trifecta 18 months early. We are reinstating a dividend, and we are raising our full-year guidance. Less than two years ago, we announced Trifecta, a three-year financial performance program that created the pathway back to what we internally call Base Camp. We said we would deliver triple-digit Adjusted EBITDA per APCD, double-digit Adjusted earnings per share, and return on invested capital in the teens. Today, I'm delighted to share that we have achieved all three Trifecta goals on a trailing 12-month basis, 18 months ahead of schedule. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:02:29In addition, our leverage is now below 3.5x when excluding the impact of new ships that were delivered midyear. With Trifecta accomplished and our balance sheet in a strong position, we are excited to broaden our capital allocation by reinstating a quarterly dividend of $0.40 per share. Capital returns that include a competitive dividend have always been, and will continue to be, a key pillar of our strategy to supplement our growth as we focus on delivering long-term shareholder value. I want to thank the entire Royal Caribbean Group team for their passion, dedication, and commitment. Their efforts helped accelerate our path to reaching Trifecta and will continue to ensure us to deliver the best vacation experiences responsibly while driving exceptional financial results. Trifecta is an important milestone, but we are just getting started as our ambitions go well beyond it. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:03:26We are excited by the large opportunity in front of us as we seek to take a greater share from the rapidly growing $1.9 trillion vacation market. Our plan to capitalize on this opportunity is well-grounded in a set of underlying strategies, the powerful foundation of our leading global brands, and a proven formula for success: moderate capacity growth, moderate yield growth, and strong cost discipline, and the best people in the world to execute on it all. Now moving on to our results. The second quarter exceeded our already elevated expectations. We have seen an incredibly robust booking and pricing environment across all our key itineraries, which is not only setting us up for success in the future periods, but also contributed to the outperformance in the second quarter. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:04:14This, coupled with continued strength in onboard spend, which is heavily influenced by our pre-cruise commercial engine, drove the revenue and earnings outperformance for the quarter. In the second quarter, we delivered approximately 2 million vacations at exceptional guest satisfaction scores. Yields grew 13.3% compared to the second quarter of last year, which was almost 300 basis points above our guidance. The revenue outperformance, combined with approximately $0.15 in favorable timing of cost, resulted in an Adjusted EPS that was considerably higher than our guidance. Naftali will elaborate more about second quarter details and results in a few minutes. The strong demand environment is also translating into higher revenue and earnings expectations for the balance of the year. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:05:03We are increasing full-year yield growth expectations by 115 basis points compared to our prior guidance, and we now expect Adjusted Earnings Per Share to grow 68% year-over-year. 2024 bookings have consistently outpaced last year throughout the entire second quarter and into July, despite the fact that we have significantly fewer staterooms left to sell, leading to higher pricing for all key products. The North American consumer, who represents approximately 80% of our sourcing this year, continues to be robust, driving strong yield growth across all key products. In addition to strength in the Caribbean, European and Alaska summer itineraries are performing exceptionally well, and we have experienced greater pricing power than expected since our last earnings call, leading to increased expectations for yield growth. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:05:55Our nimble sourcing model, coupled with our brand's global appeal and leading position in their respective segments, allows us to successfully capture quality demand across those segments... sourced from new and younger consumer bases and attract the highest-yielding guests. With such strong momentum, 2024 is on track to be another exceptional year, with double-digit yield growth and significant earnings growth. We now expect full-year net yield growth of 10.4%-10.9%. Our yield outlook is driven by the performance of new and existing ships, combined with our leading private destinations, a strong pricing environment, continued growth from onboard revenue, and our accelerating commercial apparatus. We increased our revenue expectations for the second half of 2024 and now expect to deliver mid-single-digit yield growth in the back half of the year, which continues to be above our typical moderate yield growth expectations. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:06:53Just as a reminder that this is on top of approximately 17% yield increase versus 2019 in the back half of 2023. We also continue to expect higher margins and higher earnings, with adjusted EPS expected to be between $11.35 and $11.45, and EBITDA margins that is over 300 basis points higher than last year. As we look ahead, we remain focused on executing our proven formula for success, moderate capacity growth, moderate yield growth, and strong cost controls, which lead to enhanced margins, profitability, and superior financial return. We continue to see a very positive sentiment from our customers, bolstered by a resilient economy, low unemployment, stabilizing inflation, and record-high household net worth. Consumer preference continues to shift towards spend on experiences, with particularly prioritizing towards travel. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:07:51Consumers have 10% more vacation days compared to 2019, and they are using half of that increase to travel. In fact, our research suggests that consumers are spending more on travel than any other leisure category, and that they intend to increase their travel spend in the next 12 months. Cruise remains an attractive value proposition, and cruise purchase intent is high and continues to strengthen. Consumer financials remain healthy across demographics. The number of baby boomers reaching retirement age is expected to grow 30% to 73 million by 2030. Based on our research, retirees take 50% more vacation time than non-retirees. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:08:33The baby boomer generation also holds 50% of the $156 trillion of U.S. wealth, and they are expected not only to spend more on travel, but also to transfer $72 trillion of their wealth to other generations over the next two decades, including traveling together. We are already benefiting from that active and real-time wealth transfer through multigenerational travel across our brands. Our research shows that younger generations, millennials and younger, are also benefiting from the 10% increase in leisure time compared to 2019, and that they intend to allocate more of this time on travel than any other leisure category. This attractive traveler continues to gain share within our customer base at a faster pace than any other generation, and today, one of every two customers is a millennial or younger. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:09:25Their travel needs and behaviors vary across trip length and type, so the differentiated experiences offered by our incredible brands resonate extremely well with these next generations of cruisers. Our addressable market is growing, and we are attracting more customers into our vacation ecosystem. New-to-cruise customers are up double digits versus last year, and at the same time, we are seeing stronger repeat rates. Once booked, guests are quickly engaging with us and buying significantly more onboard experiences per booking than in the second quarter of last year, both earlier and at meaningfully higher APDs, translating into higher satisfaction rates and higher onboard spend. Putting customers at the center of our orbit has been critical to our success and allows us to meet guests for all of life's moments, transforming the vacation of a lifetime into a lifetime of vacations. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:10:19A key differentiator for us on this journey is our hardware, where we are constantly innovating. This quarter, we took delivery of Utopia of the Seas, the ultimate weekend getaway, a ship positioned to be another game changer for our short Caribbean product. Our short Caribbean cruise product is an important entry point for new to cruise and new to brand, with nearly 7 in 10 guests falling in these categories and always skewing more towards younger customers. Younger consumers find this product particularly appealing. In fact, approximately 40% of guests who fall in this demographic have indicated that they intend to book a short vacation in the next 12 months. Moreover, 90% of guests who sail on our short product intend to cruise again, with roughly half planning to return for a longer cruise. We also launched Silver Ray, which continues to redefine the ultra-luxury segment. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:11:12Since introducing the Nova Class last year, Silver Nova and Silver Ray have attracted a higher mix of younger guests than the rest of the fleet. We have an exciting lineup of new ships on order, including Celebrity Cruises' Celebrity Xcel, which launches in late 2025, and Royal Caribbean's Star of the Seas, debuting in mid-2025, the third Icon Class ship in 2026, and the seventh Oasis Class ship in 2028. We also continue to lead the vacation industry with exciting new experiences on our ships and our portfolio of private destinations. Perfect Day at CocoCay continues to perform exceptionally well, and we are reaching important milestones on Royal Beach Club Paradise Island, opening in 2025, and Royal Beach Club in Cozumel, Mexico, opening in 2026. These new experiences uniquely position us to continue taking share from land-based alternatives. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:12:08As we deepen our relationship with our guests, this quarter's launch of our Enterprise Loyalty Status Match program is an important step in integrating our brands, rewarding our guests for staying within our family of brands, and making travel planning even more seamless. In just 2 months since the program launched, we have seen a significant increase in enrollment across all of our brands and positive feedback from our loyal fan base. Once customers book their dream vacation, over 90% utilize new features and enhancement on our apps. Notably, more than 70% of guests are making pre-cruise purchases before they sail, and they spend more than double compared to those who only make purchases on board. Finally, our sustainability ambitions help inform our strategic and financial decisions daily, supporting our mission to deliver the best vacation experiences responsibly. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:13:00We remain committed to our SEA the Future vision, sustaining the planet, energizing communities, and accelerating innovation. Our recent Maritime Decarbonization Summit on board Utopia of the Seas underscores our commitment to reaching net zero emissions by 2050 through industry-wide collaboration. More than 30 ship owners, shipbuilders, and technology and energy providers convened to catalyze advancements in necessary technological solutions and alternative fuels. We are optimistic about this important step in unifying our industry and fostering an environment for advancing quality and scalable, sustainable solutions. In summary, our business continues to perform exceptionally well, and we are very pleased with our performance, achieving Trifecta early and reinstating the dividend. This sets us up well as we seek to take share from the rapidly growing $1.9 trillion-dollar vacation market. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:13:58With our strong platform, our proven strategies, we are creating a lifetime of vacation experiences for our customers while delivering long-term shareholder value and strong financial results. With that, I will turn the call over to Naftali. Nath? Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:14:13Thank you, Jason, and good morning, everyone. I will start by reviewing second quarter results. Our teams delivered another strong performance that exceeded our expectations, resulting in adjusted earnings per share of $3.21. The $0.51 per share outperformance compared to the midpoint of our guidance is driven by better revenue across our leading brands and across key itineraries, as well as approximately $0.15 per share, favorable timing of expenses. We finished the second quarter with a net yield growth of 13.3%. Load factors were 108.2 and contributed approximately 300 basis points to yield growth, with the remaining increase driven by rates that were up by 10% from both new and existing hardware. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:15:05All key products had double-digit yield growth, with strength in close-in demand for the Caribbean and Europe that drove the outperformance in the quarter. NCC, excluding fuel, increased 5.7% in constant currency. A favorable cost performance compared to our guidance is driven by favorable timing of expenses that more than offset the negative impact of stock compensation, given the significant appreciation of our stock price during the second quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $1.6 billion, and growth EBITDA margin was 38%. As Jason mentioned, we also achieved our Trifecta targets on a trailing twelve-month basis as of the end of the second quarter. We delivered $113 adjusted EBITDA per APCD, 13% above our triple-digit target, mid-teens ROIC, consistent with our target in the teens, and $10.08 adjusted EPS, slightly above our double-digit target. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:16:09Leverage was below 3.5x when excluding the impact of new ships that were delivered mid-year, and we are on track to get very close to our double-digit carbon intensity reduction target by year-end. Our 2024 booked position remains very strong across all products and markets and continues to outpace last year in both rate and volume. The Caribbean makes up approximately 55% of our capacity for the year and 42% for the third quarter. This product is booked ahead in both rate and volume, and the strong yield growth is driven by new hardware and higher pricing on existing ships, supported by our private destinations. Europe accounts for 15% of our capacity for the full year and 28% during the third quarter. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:17:01Europe is in a record book position in both rate and volume, and continued strength in pricing has resulted in an increase in our revenue expectations for Europe sailings. Our summer Alaska season represents 6% of full-year capacity and 14% in the third quarter. We have increased our capacity this year as a result of upgrading the hardware in the market. Like Europe, we have seen strong demand since our last earnings call, leading to increased expectations for yield growth for this product. Now, let me talk about our increased guidance expectations for 2024. Net yields are expected to be up 10.4%-10.9% for the full year. The increase in the guidance is driven by higher pricing for both new hardware and like-for-like, as well as onboard revenue. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:17:55The yield cadence for the year is influenced by the load factor and pricing power catch-up in the first half. The timing of CocoCay's opening makes the comp easier for the first half of 2024, and when adjusting for such structural changes, yield growth is just about the same amount in each quarter compared to 2019. Now moving to costs. Full-year net cruise costs, excluding fuel, are expected to be up approximately 6%. Our cost metric is up 50 basis points compared to our prior guidance and is driven entirely by higher non-cash stock-based compensation, given the significant increase in the stock price since the last earnings call. We have very few dry dock days in the third quarter, but significantly more in the fourth quarter, which, together with timing of stock compensation expense, will weigh on our cost metrics for the fourth quarter. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:18:53We anticipate a fuel expense of $1.17 billion for the year, and we're 61% hedged at below market rates. We are raising our adjusted EPS guidance to $11.35-$11.45. I want to provide a little more color on the progress of our earnings guidance. We are increasing our guidance by $0.60 for the year. About half of the increase is driven by second quarter close in demand, and the other half is driven by better pricing and business outlook for the rest of the year. As I mentioned, we had about $0.15 of cost timing in the second quarter, which is shifting into the back half of the year. Now I will discuss our third quarter guidance. We plan to operate 13.4 million APCDs during the third quarter. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:19:46Net yields are expected to be up 6.5%-7% compared to 2023, and that is on top of a 16.7% yield growth last year. Net cruise costs, excluding fuel, are expected to be up 4.7%-5.2%. Taking all of this into account, we expect adjusted earnings per share for the quarter to be $4.90-$5.00. Turning to our balance sheet. We ended the quarter with $3.8 billion in liquidity. We have been making significant progress in strengthening the balance sheet towards our goal of investment-grade metrics. Better performance and disciplined capital allocation allowed us to reduce leverage below 3.5x as of the end of the second quarter, when excluding the impact of new ships that were delivered mid-year. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:20:36This level is within our target leverage range. We plan to continue to proactively pay down debt and pursue opportunistic refinancings to manage maturities, reduce interest expense, and achieve an unsecured balance sheet. During the second quarter, we paid down the remaining balance of our debt holiday that allowed us to remove any restrictions around capital return. As you saw in the press release today, we also initiated a quarterly dividend of $0.40 per share. In closing, we remain committed and focused on executing on our strategy and delivering on our mission. With that, I will ask the operator to open the call for a question-and-answer session. Operator00:21:24At this time, if you would like to ask a question, press *, followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad. We ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up, then reenter the queue for any additional questions you may have. Our first question comes from the line of Steven Wieczynski with Stifel. Please go ahead. Steven WieczynskiAnalyst at Stifel Nicolaus & Company00:21:42Yeah. Hey, guys. Good morning. Congratulations, another pretty solid beat here. So, Jason and/or Nath, if we think about the guidance for the rest of the year, Nath, you kinda touched on this very briefly, but, you know, the feedback we're getting, you know, I would say from investors this morning is that the, you know, the embedded fourth quarter yield guide of, I think it's just about 5%, is showing a, you know, a material sequential decline and could possibly indicate bookings are, you know, slowing, I guess. You know, I'm guessing the lower yield is more a function of you guys being at, you know, essentially full load factors last year in the fourth quarter of 2023. But is there anything you would add on there? Steven WieczynskiAnalyst at Stifel Nicolaus & Company00:22:21Then maybe, you know, also a little bit more color on 2025 bookings and if there's been any, you know, changes in booking patterns for next year as well? Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:22:32Yeah. Well, good morning, Steve. Hope all is well. So I think maybe just first starting off on the back half of the year, you know, it obviously our yields have grown significantly since 2019. So the back half of the year, our yields are up, you know, 25% versus 2019. And so I think our commentary of strength and how we feel about the back half of the year, I think is still very bullish. But as you mentioned, you know, we have been ahead of the curve in terms of our bringing our business back up, and so our load factors relative to last year were pretty normalized in the back half of last year. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:23:16So really, all the yield improvement that you're seeing in Q3 and Q4 is really being driven by price. And so I think it's a really strong indication that not only the willingness to pay more, but these prices continue to increase as we build and manage demand. When we think about 2025, first, you know, the reason why, you know, it's July, so we typically don't talk a lot about 2025. So it is early. We mentioned in the release that we're now in a place where we're taking more bookings for 2025 than we are for 2024. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:23:57So the strength in the commentary that we talk about on, on pricing, and pricing increasing, it very much applies, to 2025 and beyond. So we feel very good. We're in a very strong book position for 2025. Pricing is up and increasing are the trends that we continue to see. But I think it's important to just note again, that the load factor- Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:24:24... recovery is done. We are operating at full load factors. I think it needs to also take into account that, you know, the yields have improved by over 25%, versus 2019. So it's not necessarily a like-for-like story in the industry, I think, to point to. So I think we feel really good about 2025. The patterns show pricing continues to accelerate. And I think that, you know, what you're starting to see in the back half of the year, is still elevated compared to, like, what we describe as our formula of success of that, you know, moderate yield growth, which is typically around 3%-5%, and we're pointing to a yield profile that is at the very top end of that in Q4 and above. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:25:10I think we feel that, you know, for us, if we're growing our yields moderately, controlling our cost, growing our business in a disciplined way, what you see is significant margin accretion, significant return profile, and continued step change, significant step change in our earnings profile. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:25:30And Steve, I'll just add one more thing about 2019. I said it in my prepared remarks, but also remember, in 2019, the first half had an easier comp, right? Because we didn't have CocoCay open. It opened in the second half of the year, and that with a lot of other structural changes, it was five years ago. It's pretty consistent through that period in terms of yield growth. Steven WieczynskiAnalyst at Stifel Nicolaus & Company00:25:56Thanks for that color, guys. Second question, Jason, would be around your recent change in deployment with Ovation. You know, essentially taking that ship out of China, home porting it on the West Coast. We've gotten a bunch of questions about this move, and I think investors are concerned it's a sign that, you know, that the China market might not be as strong as what you would have previously thought, or, you know, maybe it's just the domestic market is just way more profitable right now. But any thoughts there as to or any color around the move there would be helpful. Thanks. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:26:30Hey, Steve, it's Michael. You know, we're kind of in this great position of having very good market choices to make. We, our belief in the long-term potential for China has not changed at all. Spectrum, as you know, we started operating it out of Shanghai a few months ago. It's performing very well in the market, and we feel good about the China market. It still hasn't reached the levels we're seeing in the American market, and of course, this is where we've got these good choices, and we have strong ambitions to grow the West Coast in the U.S. If you think about California, it's the sixth largest economy in the world. And Navigator, which is the ship we put in the West Coast about a year or so ago, has been performing exceptionally well. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:27:16So we're kind of faced with this choice. Should we, should we deploy Ovation into Tianjin, or should we deploy into California? And we made the decision really based upon maximizing performance, but it doesn't in any way indicate that we're moving away from the China market. We're quite committed to the opportunity there, and I think you'll see that we'll be announcing in the future more deployment into China. Steven WieczynskiAnalyst at Stifel Nicolaus & Company00:27:44Great. Thanks, guys. Thanks for the color. Appreciate it. Operator00:27:48Our next question comes from the line of Brandt Montour with Barclays. Please go ahead. Brandt MontourAnalyst at Barclays Bank PLC00:27:54Hey, good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking my question, and congratulations on the dividend announcement this morning. So first question is on the fourth quarter, just following up on on Steven's question. You know, the 5% implied yield guidance, which, you know, I know you have tougher comps, and that's all price. Can you help us understand what the sort of ... how to think about the likes, the embedded like-for-like is within that? And maybe, maybe it's easier to answer, how does that compare versus the like-for-like that you, that you, you generally embed in your longer-term algo? Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:28:31Yeah. Well, you know, so I would comment, Brandt, first, hope all is well. It's very, actually, if anything, the like-for-like is growing faster than what would be in our typical algorithm. And, you know, as new ships come on, they're meaningful, but, you know, the overall denominator is much larger. So the impact on the yield profile, you know, I mean, Icon is obviously just unbelievably successful. Utopia is crushing it. But it's a smaller percentage of our overall denominator. So really, what you're reading into that 5% is that the like-for-like is growing. And as part of that story is not just the ticket, but it's also what's happening on board. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:29:15And I think the power of our pre-cruise commerce engine is shifting more and more of that booking activity for onboard spend forward, which is also resulting in us, you know, getting our guests to have, you know, a fuller breadth of experiences, which increases our share of wallet. Brandt MontourAnalyst at Barclays Bank PLC00:29:35Great. That's super helpful. Then just as a follow-up, I apologize for sort of a shorter term question, but this earnings season, we have heard from land-based some land-based hotel operators made some softer comments on pricing sensitivity. I'm curious, when you look at your 25 bookings data, what you're seeing coming in, you know, are you starting to see any pricing sensitivity at all forming at the lower end itineraries, the older ships, your base, you know, your base, your Royal Caribbean brand versus your upper brands? Anything that you're seeing? Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:30:11Yeah. We obviously, you know, have the opportunity of, you know, taking on 25,000, 30,000, 35,000 bookings a day. We get to see the cash register ring every, pretty much every second somewhere in the world, on our ships. And I know there might be a group seeking to hear that there's some type of break in the pattern, but there just isn't. You know, we're seeing our guests, the booking window continues to extend, so they're planning further out. Their willingness to pay more for these incredible vacation experiences continues to increase, so our pricing continues to increase into 2025 and into 2026. And that's not just happening at the, you know, at the short product. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:30:59That's happening in the ultra-luxury space as well. And I think, Brandt, it's, you know, people say, "Well, how can that be?" I think it's still just the reality that, you know, there's still a 20% value gap to land-based vacation. And you get a lot of bang for the buck when you're traveling with our brands, and I think that value gap is potentially shielding us from some of that noise that you're hearing from land-based operators. But for us, you know, whether you look at it by product, whether you look at it by market, whether it's ticket or whether it's on board, the trends that we see is just continued acceleration on the pricing side. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:31:44Now, there's some reality as well that we're managing to, which is, you know, we're really well booked, and you know, you're never at that optimal, are you too booked or underbooked? But for us, we probably, 'cause we have less inventory to sell in the back half of this year, a lot of that pricing opportunity is also gonna fall into 2025. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:32:08Okay. Thanks a lot. Great quarter. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:32:09You got it. Thanks, Brad. Operator00:32:11Our next question comes from the line of Vince Ciepiel with Cleveland Research. Please go ahead. Vince CiepielAnalyst at Cleveland Research Company00:32:17Thanks. So I guess it's kind of a question on strategy on a go-forward basis, and you touched on this in your opening comments. Just getting back from this Utopia inaugural, and from the moment you're boarding the ship to the naming ceremony, I mean, it's very clear that you're targeting this kind of getaway, biggest party at sea type of focus. So can you talk a little bit about how you make decisions with allocating new hardware towards this shorter sailing that's a getaway, as opposed to something more like a week-long vacation, family-oriented Icon-type experience? And I imagine that the development of your private islands close to South Florida probably unlocks some of this, but what do you see as being a bigger driver in the years ahead? Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:33:06Well, it's a great question, and you kind of answered a lot of the question in your, in your question. You know, for the Royal brand, we're very much a, you know, multigenerational family brand. We're fortunate that we've got the scale and the size. We've seen over the past couple of years that we've got growth in every single segment. And we know that the on-ramp for cruise is the shore product. We've known that for quite some time. We changed up our strategy some years ago with the development of Perfect Day at CocoCay, and significant investment in many of our ships that we moved to the short cruise market, and we started to really aggregate that segment of our business. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:33:50And the volume of new-to-cruise is significantly higher on shore product than it is on longer product for very logical reasons, which I think you touched on. It's just a much easier product to purchase. It's only a few days. It's less investment of time for new-to-cruise. And we found that when you get the product right, you can stimulate a large amount of demand. And I think what we've seen with Utopia is it was a very strategic decision to take a brand-new Oasis Class that we started to work on some years ago in terms of the product vibe, the energy, what we're offering the customer, and placing it into really the Port Canaveral, Orlando market, drive-to market, which is significant. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:34:31It's a great product to put up against what we see in Orlando, and it's easy to package, you know, a trip on Utopia as well as maybe a trip to Orlando. But certainly we've seen the demand has been outstanding for that product, and we're only in the second week of Utopia, and it is literally knocking it out of the park. Exceptionally high customer satisfaction, net promoter scores. The onboard revenue is being just very strong. We're very pleased with the onboard revenue, and guests are booking it. So, we know that if we get that product right, and we can put our best foot forward, that then we'll see a significant upswing in repeat to brand because of what they've experienced with Utopia. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:35:15Certainly, when you think of Icon in the seven-day market, and soon to be Star of the Seas, which is also going to Port Canaveral down into Perfect Day, we've got a really good, strong range of products that we can offer the customer, and they're booking it. Just as a sideline headline, Icon now is currently sailing at around 132% load factor, which is... We're just delighted with very high customer satisfaction. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:35:43Yeah, and Vince, I think just to add, 'cause I think Utopia is just a great example of our intentionality. I mean, you know, each of our brands are hyper-focused on understanding the different segments, the consumer of today and the consumer of tomorrow, and growing demand. And our commentary around what's happening, you know, with the younger generation, and, you know, half of our guests are now kind of in that category, though I consider myself young, but I'm not in that category, I guess. But it's, you know, us trying to address these multiple generations, these multiple experiences that people are looking to collect, and trying hard to meet our guests there. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:36:27I think, you know, you can see that whether you're looking at Utopia with the short, whether you're seeing that with Icon on seven, but you see that in Celebrity, you see that with Silversea. And our goal is to really make sure we have an experience that matches with the guest at different points in life, and that goes to our overarching strategy of having a lifetime of vacations. Vince CiepielAnalyst at Cleveland Research Company00:36:49Got it, that's helpful. So, the Michael Bayleys and the millennials of the world like Utopia, it sounds like. Quick question on twenty- Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:36:59You dug in. Vince CiepielAnalyst at Cleveland Research Company00:37:00Question on 2025 yield setup. I think you got into this a little bit when asked for this on 4Q, like for like, but when you think about next year, you have, you know, another half year of Utopia, you have Star coming, you have Xcel at the tail end, you have Royal Beach Club. Like, there seems to be a number of drivers incremental to the like for like, that could be supportive of yield growth. And then you also mentioned this, the denominator is much larger now. So, do you expect these other factors to be yield accretive next year in additional like for like, or like for like is still the larger driver? How should we be thinking about that? Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:37:40Yeah. Well, I think when you—certainly full year of Utopia, a full year or a half a year of Star will definitely be something that I would point to, that will contribute to our yield improvement next year, as well as like for like. Xcel is at the very, very end of the year, and the Royal Beach Club will be towards, you know, the back half of the year, and that will ramp itself up as we typically do, to make sure it's operationally perfect. And so, I think, you know, those are things—I think Xcel and the Royal Beach Club will probably be more of a driver in 2026 than in 2025. But certainly, you know, that new capacity is, it benefits us. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:38:18What we're seeing in the like-for-like pricing is that we expect that to be a meaningful contributor to our yields in 2025, as well as, by the way, onboard spend activity. Vince CiepielAnalyst at Cleveland Research Company00:38:30Great. Thanks. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:38:31Sure. Operator00:38:33Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Boss with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead. Matthew BossAnalyst at J.P. Morgan00:38:39Great, thanks, and congrats on another great quarter. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:38:41Thanks, Matt. Matthew BossAnalyst at J.P. Morgan00:38:43So, Jason, with all your Trifecta targets hit, you cited today that you're just getting started. So maybe could you elaborate on what that means in terms of global market share based on new customer trends that you're seeing today? And then Naftali, maybe just the multi-year margin opportunity. EBITDA margins exit this year, 200-300 basis points above 2019. Where do you see us going from here? Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:39:10Yeah. Well, I think... So, the comment on the just getting started, and you're all very familiar with this, but when we've talked about Trifecta, and even internally, we've talked about it as Base Camp. You know, so we've hit it, we've announced we're hitting it, but you won't see anybody here, like, doing victory laps. You know, it's getting our business. We're now back to full strength, full financial health. And, you know, if you just take what we've talked about with our formula of moderate yield growth, cost discipline, discipline in the growth of our business, but it drives significant margin and returns, for the business. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:39:49You combine that with, you know, the land-based things like the Royal Beach Club in the Bahamas and the Royal Beach Club in Mexico, you know, you see the power of the earnings and the returns that are gonna come forward here in the business. So I think when we look at like, what's next, it's now setting ourselves on how do we make sure we execute on those significant margin drivers? Because if you think about just in 2024, a 1% change in our yields is $120 million. A 1% change in our cost is about half of that. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:40:26So, you know, if you're continuing to grow your yields faster than you're growing your costs, or significantly faster than you're growing your costs, that's gonna deliver a lot of margin and return. The other point that I would add is that when we like, what are we chasing? Like, we're like, we're again, we're not chasing our cruise competitors. What we're chasing is, how do we grab more and more share from that $1.9 trillion growing vacation market? And I think with things like Icon and Utopia and Nova and Excel, et cetera, and the private destinations, what we're doing is trying to further differentiate ourselves and reel in more of those land-based consumers, and to make sure that we are a clear consideration in that vacation choice. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:41:11If we do that really well, that's where we can further close the gap to land-based vacation. And that will, you know, you know, because there's so much operating leverage in this business, you know, that's gonna drive significant earnings power and returns to our shareholders. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:41:27And Matt, I guess the one on your question on the margin, so we're very happy with the way we've obviously executed in the last two years, and you can see our margins are much higher than 2019. And this was because we were focused on our formula and kind of continuing to have profitable growth. That doesn't change going forward. So, as we think about new ships, new experiences, new initiatives, we want to continue to grow the revenue. That's obviously a great opportunity, as Jason said, $65 billion category, $1.9 trillion market. We see this as an amazing opportunity to win share from the consumer and continue to grow the business and expand it, and while doing that, with higher margins. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:42:12I'll go back to what Jason said, 1% of net revenue yield is $120 million. 1% of NCCX is $60 million. So you can see that if we continue on this formula and continue to grow the business, there's much more runway on the margin itself. That also creates a lot of free cash flow, right? We're a much bigger company today. So that, that will just expand our opportunities for capital allocation as well. Operator00:42:43Our next question comes from the line of Conor Cunningham with Melius Research. Please go ahead. Conor CunninghamAnalyst at Melius Research LLC00:42:50Hi, everyone. Thank you. Maybe just to stick on that return answer that you had. You know, obviously, it's great to see that the dividend's back, but as you think about additional—as the board thinks about additional avenues of shareholder returns, just curious, like, how you think about that and how that steps up from here. Is it just a function of time, or are you targeting additional balance sheet optimization before you start to think about maybe share purchases and so on? Thank you. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:43:19Yeah, sure. Well, thanks, Conor. And of course, you know, these things are always, you know, board decisions. I think the dividend really reflects that now we have gotten ourselves into our balance sheet zone, our credit metric zone, that we have been focused on doing. And I think that, you know, historically, we've used both dividend and other forms, like share repurchasing, to return capital to shareholders. And I would suspect that we would kind of, you know, be focused on both of those things and growing both of those things, over time. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:43:52So I think the dividend and, you know, the amount of the dividend, I think, is a reflection of, again, keeping ourselves in that, you know, 3.25 to 3.5 times, you know, debt to EBITDA zone. We've reached that on the 3.5 side, but our ultimate goal is to make sure we have a competitive dividend, and opportunistically, you know, buy back shares over time. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:44:16Yeah, and I'll just add that our balance sheet is obviously in the zone where we, you know, this is within the target. There's always opportunities, right? So, we obviously, first and foremost, manage maturities. We want to continue to reduce the cost of capital. We still are not done with unsecuring our balance sheet, so we have some work to do, but we're definitely in a very strong balance sheet position that allows us to reinstate the dividends and just continue to grow the business. Conor CunninghamAnalyst at Melius Research LLC00:44:43Yeah, that's helpful. Then, sorry to ask about the 2025 booking comment again, but you know, how does your yield management strategy change next year relative to this year? It just seems like there's additional opportunity to optimize that you didn't necessarily have this year. Or maybe to ask it a little differently: Did you feel like you left anything on the table given your booking curve, this year wasn't what you expect for it to be next year, as you approach that? Thank you. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:45:12Yeah, sure. So I think that you could see that obviously in the guide we had in the beginning of the year to where we are today, right? We're about 400+ basis points higher than we were in our expectations in the beginning of the year. So, you know, that that's a reflection of an acceleration in demand and really acceleration in price. So your takeaway from that is clearly we left some money on the table, and we were, you know, too booked going into Wave. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:45:43Now, you know, how we decide to take on those revenues is, you know, we have a very sophisticated revenue management system, a very sophisticated management team, that is, you know, looking at historical trends, what's happening in the market, to inform, you know, price and how much we take on and when. And so I think for us, you know, it's always a debate on. And again, this is always probably plus or minus, you know, five percentage points in terms of where our book position should be as we cross different periods. And of course, our ultimate goal here is not to, you know, say that we're record this or record that. Our ultimate goal here is to optimize our revenue. And that's what our tools do each and every day. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:46:28You know, it could very well be that we cross a year in the same type of book position or a little bit less or a little bit more, and that's just to make sure that we are again maximizing and optimizing our revenue. Conor CunninghamAnalyst at Melius Research LLC00:46:42Appreciate it. Thank you. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:46:44Sure. Operator00:46:45Our next question comes from the line of Robin Farley with UBS. Please go ahead. Robin FarleyAnalyst at UBS Investment Bank00:46:51Great. Thank you. So, Utopia looks like a great new ship, so don't mind that I'd like to ask about your next potential ship order. It's kind of a two-part question. Well, first is, some other cruise lines have been ordering sort of further out than we've seen before the pandemic, you know, some 8 or 9 years, some 12 years. Are you sort of having to think longer term about your order book than maybe you would have previously? Is that something you feel that you'll also have to do or that we may see you do? Robin FarleyAnalyst at UBS Investment Bank00:47:25And then secondly, it seems like there's kind of unofficially talk about a new ship class from you that would be smaller than, than, you know, your, the, the last two ship classes that you've had, and that may allow you to go to some markets that it can't handle some of the sort of newer, larger ships today. And I, I wonder if you can help quantify for us what percent of the driving market now, right? Because there are clearly markets like Miami and New York, where you have a big driving market, but these other potential new port cities that you're not going to with some of your new hardware, that would be new drives, you know, kind of new source markets with that are within a drive. Robin FarleyAnalyst at UBS Investment Bank00:48:10Can you quantify kind of what % increase that could be in your, in your drive market penetration if, you know, thinking about what those smaller ships may reach? I realize this is a longer-term question, but thanks. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:48:24Yeah. Hey, Robin, thanks for the question. So, first, yeah, we feel we have a very good line of sight on our order book. And, you know, it's all subscribed to being disciplined in the growth of our business. And of course, as we're adding capacity into our fleet, just to always remind that you know, like, as you're seeing with Utopia and Icon, or you're seeing with Silver Ray, et cetera, is, you know, these—they're going into different segments and different markets and different deployments each and every day. So, you know, of course, in the cruise ship business or in the cruise business, you're always thinking longer term. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:49:04You're not just thinking longer term in terms of growth and orders, but also your environmental footprint and what we can be doing to further reduce our emissions and the fuel that we burn, et cetera. So, this is a longer-term business and, you know, you know, designs of ships like Icon, which you heard us talk about, it was seven years in the making. So, this just doesn't happen, you know, a couple of years out. So, I think we feel very confident about our path of growth, and we feel very confident in our ability to take on those orders in a very disciplined way. We're always going through and look, you know, we're always designing the next classes of ships, really, for all of our brands. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:49:44We specifically pick segments and brands in those segments and deployments and experiences that we believe have a very long runway to generate demand globally, as each of our brands are a globally sourced business. And of course, the other thing I think that's important when you think about ship classes, whether they're you know could be small, they could be larger, it's kind of also a consideration that we also have ships that are reaching 30-35 years. And so, some of this is not just about oh we want to build you know you know same size ships, smaller ships. It's also replacing ships that you know will eventually kind of reach their end of life. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:50:28And I think when your question comes about the drivable market, you know, the ships that you're referring to that we're looking potentially at smaller ships, will probably replace some of those older ships. It's a little bit less about the sourcing market. It's more about where those ships can go. It's, you know, getting them into maybe some of the more unique and bespoke destinations, and further diversify our footprint around the world. You know, we go to about 1,000 different destinations today, and we keep more and more trying to spread out where our guests go. And size of ship can sometimes matter. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:51:06And I think our brands are always designing to how do we have the most flexible platform to deliver the experiences in which our guests are looking to go on. Robin FarleyAnalyst at UBS Investment Bank00:51:18Okay, great. Thanks very much. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:51:21Great. One more question, please. Operator00:51:23Our final question will come from the line of Ben Chaiken with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Benjamin ChaikenAnalyst at Mizuho00:51:29Hi, good morning. With Paradise Island, how are you positioning this relative to CocoCay? And is this a different customer or similar? Meaning, are your future Paradise Island guests going to CocoCay today, or is it a different itinerary? And then, a quick follow-up. Thanks. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:51:46Hi, Ben, it's Michael. Yeah, it's positioned as another incredible experience. It's a beach club experience. It's exactly what our customers are looking for when they go to the Caribbean. They are seeking an experience on the beach, so it's a Royal Caribbean Beach Club. It'll fit very well into Perfect Day, particularly for the short product market. You can spend a day in Perfect Day, and then the next day you can spend the day in the beach club. So, it's kind of, like, really, totally perfect. And we think we're gonna seeing very strong demand for the product. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:52:18We've deployed, we've got our itinerary set for the beach clubs as they come online, and it'll be a combination of short product, including Perfect Day, longer product that may call into the beach club as it goes into Nassau, and often more often than not, including Perfect Day as well. So, it's really a very complementary product that fits extremely well with Perfect Day, and it also fits very well into short and long product. So, it's we think it's gonna be a really a huge success. And the demographics are exactly the same as the Perfect Day and exactly the same for the brand. Benjamin ChaikenAnalyst at Mizuho00:52:56Very helpful. And then as you, as you think about ticketing versus ancillaries spend, how do you imagine Paradise will be different than CocoCay or similar? Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:53:07In terms of spend, we think it's gonna be very similar. There's some differences because the beach club is a for-purchase experience. It's whereas Perfect Day, there's huge amount of the experience is complimentary, and then there's many elements of the experience that you purchase. Because when you, when you go to Perfect Day, the entire ship goes there, and, and it's, it's the entire day for the guest. Whereas when you have the beach club experience, it's an experience that's available to the guest, but the guest can choose other experiences as well. So, there's literally a, a ticket price to enter into the beach club. Benjamin ChaikenAnalyst at Mizuho00:53:44Got it. Thank you. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:53:46Okay, we thank every- Operator00:53:47I'll turn the conference back to Naftali for closing remarks. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:53:50Great. Thank you. We thank everyone for your participation and interest. Michael will be available for any follow-up. We wish you all a great day. Operator00:53:59Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJason LibertyCEOMichael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean InternationalNaftali HoltzCFOAnalystsBenjamin ChaikenAnalyst at MizuhoBrandt MontourAnalyst at Barclays Bank PLCConor CunninghamAnalyst at Melius Research LLCMatthew BossAnalyst at J.P. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00I would now like to introduce Michael McCarthy, Vice President of Investor Relations. Mr. McCarthy, the floor is yours. Michael McCarthyHead of Investor Relations at Royal Caribbean Group00:00:07Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for our second quarter 2024 earnings call. Joining me here in Miami are Jason Liberty, our Chief Executive Officer, Naftali Holtz, our Chief Financial Officer, and Michael Bayley, President and CEO of Royal Caribbean International. Before we get started, I'd like to note that we will be making forward-looking statements during this call. These statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. Please refer to our earnings release issued this morning, as well as our filings with the SEC for a description of these factors. We do not undertake to update any forward-looking statements as circumstances change. Michael McCarthyHead of Investor Relations at Royal Caribbean Group00:00:53Also, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures, which are adjusted, as defined in a reconciliation of all non-GAAP items, can be found on our investor website and in our earnings release. Unless we state otherwise, all metrics are on a constant currency-adjusted basis. Jason will begin the call by providing a strategic overview and update on the business. Naftali will follow with a recap of our second quarter, the current booking environment, and our updated outlook for 2024. We will then open the call for your questions. With that, I'm pleased to turn the call over to Jason. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:01:32Thank you, Michael, and good morning, everyone. I am proud to share our outstanding second quarter results and the continued upward trajectory of our business. As you saw in the press release this morning, our momentum continues. Demand for the incredible experiences our leading brands deliver continue to be robust. As a result, we achieved Trifecta 18 months early. We are reinstating a dividend, and we are raising our full-year guidance. Less than two years ago, we announced Trifecta, a three-year financial performance program that created the pathway back to what we internally call Base Camp. We said we would deliver triple-digit Adjusted EBITDA per APCD, double-digit Adjusted earnings per share, and return on invested capital in the teens. Today, I'm delighted to share that we have achieved all three Trifecta goals on a trailing 12-month basis, 18 months ahead of schedule. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:02:29In addition, our leverage is now below 3.5x when excluding the impact of new ships that were delivered midyear. With Trifecta accomplished and our balance sheet in a strong position, we are excited to broaden our capital allocation by reinstating a quarterly dividend of $0.40 per share. Capital returns that include a competitive dividend have always been, and will continue to be, a key pillar of our strategy to supplement our growth as we focus on delivering long-term shareholder value. I want to thank the entire Royal Caribbean Group team for their passion, dedication, and commitment. Their efforts helped accelerate our path to reaching Trifecta and will continue to ensure us to deliver the best vacation experiences responsibly while driving exceptional financial results. Trifecta is an important milestone, but we are just getting started as our ambitions go well beyond it. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:03:26We are excited by the large opportunity in front of us as we seek to take a greater share from the rapidly growing $1.9 trillion vacation market. Our plan to capitalize on this opportunity is well-grounded in a set of underlying strategies, the powerful foundation of our leading global brands, and a proven formula for success: moderate capacity growth, moderate yield growth, and strong cost discipline, and the best people in the world to execute on it all. Now moving on to our results. The second quarter exceeded our already elevated expectations. We have seen an incredibly robust booking and pricing environment across all our key itineraries, which is not only setting us up for success in the future periods, but also contributed to the outperformance in the second quarter. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:04:14This, coupled with continued strength in onboard spend, which is heavily influenced by our pre-cruise commercial engine, drove the revenue and earnings outperformance for the quarter. In the second quarter, we delivered approximately 2 million vacations at exceptional guest satisfaction scores. Yields grew 13.3% compared to the second quarter of last year, which was almost 300 basis points above our guidance. The revenue outperformance, combined with approximately $0.15 in favorable timing of cost, resulted in an Adjusted EPS that was considerably higher than our guidance. Naftali will elaborate more about second quarter details and results in a few minutes. The strong demand environment is also translating into higher revenue and earnings expectations for the balance of the year. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:05:03We are increasing full-year yield growth expectations by 115 basis points compared to our prior guidance, and we now expect Adjusted Earnings Per Share to grow 68% year-over-year. 2024 bookings have consistently outpaced last year throughout the entire second quarter and into July, despite the fact that we have significantly fewer staterooms left to sell, leading to higher pricing for all key products. The North American consumer, who represents approximately 80% of our sourcing this year, continues to be robust, driving strong yield growth across all key products. In addition to strength in the Caribbean, European and Alaska summer itineraries are performing exceptionally well, and we have experienced greater pricing power than expected since our last earnings call, leading to increased expectations for yield growth. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:05:55Our nimble sourcing model, coupled with our brand's global appeal and leading position in their respective segments, allows us to successfully capture quality demand across those segments... sourced from new and younger consumer bases and attract the highest-yielding guests. With such strong momentum, 2024 is on track to be another exceptional year, with double-digit yield growth and significant earnings growth. We now expect full-year net yield growth of 10.4%-10.9%. Our yield outlook is driven by the performance of new and existing ships, combined with our leading private destinations, a strong pricing environment, continued growth from onboard revenue, and our accelerating commercial apparatus. We increased our revenue expectations for the second half of 2024 and now expect to deliver mid-single-digit yield growth in the back half of the year, which continues to be above our typical moderate yield growth expectations. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:06:53Just as a reminder that this is on top of approximately 17% yield increase versus 2019 in the back half of 2023. We also continue to expect higher margins and higher earnings, with adjusted EPS expected to be between $11.35 and $11.45, and EBITDA margins that is over 300 basis points higher than last year. As we look ahead, we remain focused on executing our proven formula for success, moderate capacity growth, moderate yield growth, and strong cost controls, which lead to enhanced margins, profitability, and superior financial return. We continue to see a very positive sentiment from our customers, bolstered by a resilient economy, low unemployment, stabilizing inflation, and record-high household net worth. Consumer preference continues to shift towards spend on experiences, with particularly prioritizing towards travel. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:07:51Consumers have 10% more vacation days compared to 2019, and they are using half of that increase to travel. In fact, our research suggests that consumers are spending more on travel than any other leisure category, and that they intend to increase their travel spend in the next 12 months. Cruise remains an attractive value proposition, and cruise purchase intent is high and continues to strengthen. Consumer financials remain healthy across demographics. The number of baby boomers reaching retirement age is expected to grow 30% to 73 million by 2030. Based on our research, retirees take 50% more vacation time than non-retirees. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:08:33The baby boomer generation also holds 50% of the $156 trillion of U.S. wealth, and they are expected not only to spend more on travel, but also to transfer $72 trillion of their wealth to other generations over the next two decades, including traveling together. We are already benefiting from that active and real-time wealth transfer through multigenerational travel across our brands. Our research shows that younger generations, millennials and younger, are also benefiting from the 10% increase in leisure time compared to 2019, and that they intend to allocate more of this time on travel than any other leisure category. This attractive traveler continues to gain share within our customer base at a faster pace than any other generation, and today, one of every two customers is a millennial or younger. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:09:25Their travel needs and behaviors vary across trip length and type, so the differentiated experiences offered by our incredible brands resonate extremely well with these next generations of cruisers. Our addressable market is growing, and we are attracting more customers into our vacation ecosystem. New-to-cruise customers are up double digits versus last year, and at the same time, we are seeing stronger repeat rates. Once booked, guests are quickly engaging with us and buying significantly more onboard experiences per booking than in the second quarter of last year, both earlier and at meaningfully higher APDs, translating into higher satisfaction rates and higher onboard spend. Putting customers at the center of our orbit has been critical to our success and allows us to meet guests for all of life's moments, transforming the vacation of a lifetime into a lifetime of vacations. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:10:19A key differentiator for us on this journey is our hardware, where we are constantly innovating. This quarter, we took delivery of Utopia of the Seas, the ultimate weekend getaway, a ship positioned to be another game changer for our short Caribbean product. Our short Caribbean cruise product is an important entry point for new to cruise and new to brand, with nearly 7 in 10 guests falling in these categories and always skewing more towards younger customers. Younger consumers find this product particularly appealing. In fact, approximately 40% of guests who fall in this demographic have indicated that they intend to book a short vacation in the next 12 months. Moreover, 90% of guests who sail on our short product intend to cruise again, with roughly half planning to return for a longer cruise. We also launched Silver Ray, which continues to redefine the ultra-luxury segment. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:11:12Since introducing the Nova Class last year, Silver Nova and Silver Ray have attracted a higher mix of younger guests than the rest of the fleet. We have an exciting lineup of new ships on order, including Celebrity Cruises' Celebrity Xcel, which launches in late 2025, and Royal Caribbean's Star of the Seas, debuting in mid-2025, the third Icon Class ship in 2026, and the seventh Oasis Class ship in 2028. We also continue to lead the vacation industry with exciting new experiences on our ships and our portfolio of private destinations. Perfect Day at CocoCay continues to perform exceptionally well, and we are reaching important milestones on Royal Beach Club Paradise Island, opening in 2025, and Royal Beach Club in Cozumel, Mexico, opening in 2026. These new experiences uniquely position us to continue taking share from land-based alternatives. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:12:08As we deepen our relationship with our guests, this quarter's launch of our Enterprise Loyalty Status Match program is an important step in integrating our brands, rewarding our guests for staying within our family of brands, and making travel planning even more seamless. In just 2 months since the program launched, we have seen a significant increase in enrollment across all of our brands and positive feedback from our loyal fan base. Once customers book their dream vacation, over 90% utilize new features and enhancement on our apps. Notably, more than 70% of guests are making pre-cruise purchases before they sail, and they spend more than double compared to those who only make purchases on board. Finally, our sustainability ambitions help inform our strategic and financial decisions daily, supporting our mission to deliver the best vacation experiences responsibly. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:13:00We remain committed to our SEA the Future vision, sustaining the planet, energizing communities, and accelerating innovation. Our recent Maritime Decarbonization Summit on board Utopia of the Seas underscores our commitment to reaching net zero emissions by 2050 through industry-wide collaboration. More than 30 ship owners, shipbuilders, and technology and energy providers convened to catalyze advancements in necessary technological solutions and alternative fuels. We are optimistic about this important step in unifying our industry and fostering an environment for advancing quality and scalable, sustainable solutions. In summary, our business continues to perform exceptionally well, and we are very pleased with our performance, achieving Trifecta early and reinstating the dividend. This sets us up well as we seek to take share from the rapidly growing $1.9 trillion-dollar vacation market. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:13:58With our strong platform, our proven strategies, we are creating a lifetime of vacation experiences for our customers while delivering long-term shareholder value and strong financial results. With that, I will turn the call over to Naftali. Nath? Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:14:13Thank you, Jason, and good morning, everyone. I will start by reviewing second quarter results. Our teams delivered another strong performance that exceeded our expectations, resulting in adjusted earnings per share of $3.21. The $0.51 per share outperformance compared to the midpoint of our guidance is driven by better revenue across our leading brands and across key itineraries, as well as approximately $0.15 per share, favorable timing of expenses. We finished the second quarter with a net yield growth of 13.3%. Load factors were 108.2 and contributed approximately 300 basis points to yield growth, with the remaining increase driven by rates that were up by 10% from both new and existing hardware. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:15:05All key products had double-digit yield growth, with strength in close-in demand for the Caribbean and Europe that drove the outperformance in the quarter. NCC, excluding fuel, increased 5.7% in constant currency. A favorable cost performance compared to our guidance is driven by favorable timing of expenses that more than offset the negative impact of stock compensation, given the significant appreciation of our stock price during the second quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $1.6 billion, and growth EBITDA margin was 38%. As Jason mentioned, we also achieved our Trifecta targets on a trailing twelve-month basis as of the end of the second quarter. We delivered $113 adjusted EBITDA per APCD, 13% above our triple-digit target, mid-teens ROIC, consistent with our target in the teens, and $10.08 adjusted EPS, slightly above our double-digit target. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:16:09Leverage was below 3.5x when excluding the impact of new ships that were delivered mid-year, and we are on track to get very close to our double-digit carbon intensity reduction target by year-end. Our 2024 booked position remains very strong across all products and markets and continues to outpace last year in both rate and volume. The Caribbean makes up approximately 55% of our capacity for the year and 42% for the third quarter. This product is booked ahead in both rate and volume, and the strong yield growth is driven by new hardware and higher pricing on existing ships, supported by our private destinations. Europe accounts for 15% of our capacity for the full year and 28% during the third quarter. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:17:01Europe is in a record book position in both rate and volume, and continued strength in pricing has resulted in an increase in our revenue expectations for Europe sailings. Our summer Alaska season represents 6% of full-year capacity and 14% in the third quarter. We have increased our capacity this year as a result of upgrading the hardware in the market. Like Europe, we have seen strong demand since our last earnings call, leading to increased expectations for yield growth for this product. Now, let me talk about our increased guidance expectations for 2024. Net yields are expected to be up 10.4%-10.9% for the full year. The increase in the guidance is driven by higher pricing for both new hardware and like-for-like, as well as onboard revenue. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:17:55The yield cadence for the year is influenced by the load factor and pricing power catch-up in the first half. The timing of CocoCay's opening makes the comp easier for the first half of 2024, and when adjusting for such structural changes, yield growth is just about the same amount in each quarter compared to 2019. Now moving to costs. Full-year net cruise costs, excluding fuel, are expected to be up approximately 6%. Our cost metric is up 50 basis points compared to our prior guidance and is driven entirely by higher non-cash stock-based compensation, given the significant increase in the stock price since the last earnings call. We have very few dry dock days in the third quarter, but significantly more in the fourth quarter, which, together with timing of stock compensation expense, will weigh on our cost metrics for the fourth quarter. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:18:53We anticipate a fuel expense of $1.17 billion for the year, and we're 61% hedged at below market rates. We are raising our adjusted EPS guidance to $11.35-$11.45. I want to provide a little more color on the progress of our earnings guidance. We are increasing our guidance by $0.60 for the year. About half of the increase is driven by second quarter close in demand, and the other half is driven by better pricing and business outlook for the rest of the year. As I mentioned, we had about $0.15 of cost timing in the second quarter, which is shifting into the back half of the year. Now I will discuss our third quarter guidance. We plan to operate 13.4 million APCDs during the third quarter. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:19:46Net yields are expected to be up 6.5%-7% compared to 2023, and that is on top of a 16.7% yield growth last year. Net cruise costs, excluding fuel, are expected to be up 4.7%-5.2%. Taking all of this into account, we expect adjusted earnings per share for the quarter to be $4.90-$5.00. Turning to our balance sheet. We ended the quarter with $3.8 billion in liquidity. We have been making significant progress in strengthening the balance sheet towards our goal of investment-grade metrics. Better performance and disciplined capital allocation allowed us to reduce leverage below 3.5x as of the end of the second quarter, when excluding the impact of new ships that were delivered mid-year. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:20:36This level is within our target leverage range. We plan to continue to proactively pay down debt and pursue opportunistic refinancings to manage maturities, reduce interest expense, and achieve an unsecured balance sheet. During the second quarter, we paid down the remaining balance of our debt holiday that allowed us to remove any restrictions around capital return. As you saw in the press release today, we also initiated a quarterly dividend of $0.40 per share. In closing, we remain committed and focused on executing on our strategy and delivering on our mission. With that, I will ask the operator to open the call for a question-and-answer session. Operator00:21:24At this time, if you would like to ask a question, press *, followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad. We ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up, then reenter the queue for any additional questions you may have. Our first question comes from the line of Steven Wieczynski with Stifel. Please go ahead. Steven WieczynskiAnalyst at Stifel Nicolaus & Company00:21:42Yeah. Hey, guys. Good morning. Congratulations, another pretty solid beat here. So, Jason and/or Nath, if we think about the guidance for the rest of the year, Nath, you kinda touched on this very briefly, but, you know, the feedback we're getting, you know, I would say from investors this morning is that the, you know, the embedded fourth quarter yield guide of, I think it's just about 5%, is showing a, you know, a material sequential decline and could possibly indicate bookings are, you know, slowing, I guess. You know, I'm guessing the lower yield is more a function of you guys being at, you know, essentially full load factors last year in the fourth quarter of 2023. But is there anything you would add on there? Steven WieczynskiAnalyst at Stifel Nicolaus & Company00:22:21Then maybe, you know, also a little bit more color on 2025 bookings and if there's been any, you know, changes in booking patterns for next year as well? Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:22:32Yeah. Well, good morning, Steve. Hope all is well. So I think maybe just first starting off on the back half of the year, you know, it obviously our yields have grown significantly since 2019. So the back half of the year, our yields are up, you know, 25% versus 2019. And so I think our commentary of strength and how we feel about the back half of the year, I think is still very bullish. But as you mentioned, you know, we have been ahead of the curve in terms of our bringing our business back up, and so our load factors relative to last year were pretty normalized in the back half of last year. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:23:16So really, all the yield improvement that you're seeing in Q3 and Q4 is really being driven by price. And so I think it's a really strong indication that not only the willingness to pay more, but these prices continue to increase as we build and manage demand. When we think about 2025, first, you know, the reason why, you know, it's July, so we typically don't talk a lot about 2025. So it is early. We mentioned in the release that we're now in a place where we're taking more bookings for 2025 than we are for 2024. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:23:57So the strength in the commentary that we talk about on, on pricing, and pricing increasing, it very much applies, to 2025 and beyond. So we feel very good. We're in a very strong book position for 2025. Pricing is up and increasing are the trends that we continue to see. But I think it's important to just note again, that the load factor- Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:24:24... recovery is done. We are operating at full load factors. I think it needs to also take into account that, you know, the yields have improved by over 25%, versus 2019. So it's not necessarily a like-for-like story in the industry, I think, to point to. So I think we feel really good about 2025. The patterns show pricing continues to accelerate. And I think that, you know, what you're starting to see in the back half of the year, is still elevated compared to, like, what we describe as our formula of success of that, you know, moderate yield growth, which is typically around 3%-5%, and we're pointing to a yield profile that is at the very top end of that in Q4 and above. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:25:10I think we feel that, you know, for us, if we're growing our yields moderately, controlling our cost, growing our business in a disciplined way, what you see is significant margin accretion, significant return profile, and continued step change, significant step change in our earnings profile. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:25:30And Steve, I'll just add one more thing about 2019. I said it in my prepared remarks, but also remember, in 2019, the first half had an easier comp, right? Because we didn't have CocoCay open. It opened in the second half of the year, and that with a lot of other structural changes, it was five years ago. It's pretty consistent through that period in terms of yield growth. Steven WieczynskiAnalyst at Stifel Nicolaus & Company00:25:56Thanks for that color, guys. Second question, Jason, would be around your recent change in deployment with Ovation. You know, essentially taking that ship out of China, home porting it on the West Coast. We've gotten a bunch of questions about this move, and I think investors are concerned it's a sign that, you know, that the China market might not be as strong as what you would have previously thought, or, you know, maybe it's just the domestic market is just way more profitable right now. But any thoughts there as to or any color around the move there would be helpful. Thanks. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:26:30Hey, Steve, it's Michael. You know, we're kind of in this great position of having very good market choices to make. We, our belief in the long-term potential for China has not changed at all. Spectrum, as you know, we started operating it out of Shanghai a few months ago. It's performing very well in the market, and we feel good about the China market. It still hasn't reached the levels we're seeing in the American market, and of course, this is where we've got these good choices, and we have strong ambitions to grow the West Coast in the U.S. If you think about California, it's the sixth largest economy in the world. And Navigator, which is the ship we put in the West Coast about a year or so ago, has been performing exceptionally well. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:27:16So we're kind of faced with this choice. Should we, should we deploy Ovation into Tianjin, or should we deploy into California? And we made the decision really based upon maximizing performance, but it doesn't in any way indicate that we're moving away from the China market. We're quite committed to the opportunity there, and I think you'll see that we'll be announcing in the future more deployment into China. Steven WieczynskiAnalyst at Stifel Nicolaus & Company00:27:44Great. Thanks, guys. Thanks for the color. Appreciate it. Operator00:27:48Our next question comes from the line of Brandt Montour with Barclays. Please go ahead. Brandt MontourAnalyst at Barclays Bank PLC00:27:54Hey, good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking my question, and congratulations on the dividend announcement this morning. So first question is on the fourth quarter, just following up on on Steven's question. You know, the 5% implied yield guidance, which, you know, I know you have tougher comps, and that's all price. Can you help us understand what the sort of ... how to think about the likes, the embedded like-for-like is within that? And maybe, maybe it's easier to answer, how does that compare versus the like-for-like that you, that you, you generally embed in your longer-term algo? Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:28:31Yeah. Well, you know, so I would comment, Brandt, first, hope all is well. It's very, actually, if anything, the like-for-like is growing faster than what would be in our typical algorithm. And, you know, as new ships come on, they're meaningful, but, you know, the overall denominator is much larger. So the impact on the yield profile, you know, I mean, Icon is obviously just unbelievably successful. Utopia is crushing it. But it's a smaller percentage of our overall denominator. So really, what you're reading into that 5% is that the like-for-like is growing. And as part of that story is not just the ticket, but it's also what's happening on board. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:29:15And I think the power of our pre-cruise commerce engine is shifting more and more of that booking activity for onboard spend forward, which is also resulting in us, you know, getting our guests to have, you know, a fuller breadth of experiences, which increases our share of wallet. Brandt MontourAnalyst at Barclays Bank PLC00:29:35Great. That's super helpful. Then just as a follow-up, I apologize for sort of a shorter term question, but this earnings season, we have heard from land-based some land-based hotel operators made some softer comments on pricing sensitivity. I'm curious, when you look at your 25 bookings data, what you're seeing coming in, you know, are you starting to see any pricing sensitivity at all forming at the lower end itineraries, the older ships, your base, you know, your base, your Royal Caribbean brand versus your upper brands? Anything that you're seeing? Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:30:11Yeah. We obviously, you know, have the opportunity of, you know, taking on 25,000, 30,000, 35,000 bookings a day. We get to see the cash register ring every, pretty much every second somewhere in the world, on our ships. And I know there might be a group seeking to hear that there's some type of break in the pattern, but there just isn't. You know, we're seeing our guests, the booking window continues to extend, so they're planning further out. Their willingness to pay more for these incredible vacation experiences continues to increase, so our pricing continues to increase into 2025 and into 2026. And that's not just happening at the, you know, at the short product. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:30:59That's happening in the ultra-luxury space as well. And I think, Brandt, it's, you know, people say, "Well, how can that be?" I think it's still just the reality that, you know, there's still a 20% value gap to land-based vacation. And you get a lot of bang for the buck when you're traveling with our brands, and I think that value gap is potentially shielding us from some of that noise that you're hearing from land-based operators. But for us, you know, whether you look at it by product, whether you look at it by market, whether it's ticket or whether it's on board, the trends that we see is just continued acceleration on the pricing side. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:31:44Now, there's some reality as well that we're managing to, which is, you know, we're really well booked, and you know, you're never at that optimal, are you too booked or underbooked? But for us, we probably, 'cause we have less inventory to sell in the back half of this year, a lot of that pricing opportunity is also gonna fall into 2025. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:32:08Okay. Thanks a lot. Great quarter. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:32:09You got it. Thanks, Brad. Operator00:32:11Our next question comes from the line of Vince Ciepiel with Cleveland Research. Please go ahead. Vince CiepielAnalyst at Cleveland Research Company00:32:17Thanks. So I guess it's kind of a question on strategy on a go-forward basis, and you touched on this in your opening comments. Just getting back from this Utopia inaugural, and from the moment you're boarding the ship to the naming ceremony, I mean, it's very clear that you're targeting this kind of getaway, biggest party at sea type of focus. So can you talk a little bit about how you make decisions with allocating new hardware towards this shorter sailing that's a getaway, as opposed to something more like a week-long vacation, family-oriented Icon-type experience? And I imagine that the development of your private islands close to South Florida probably unlocks some of this, but what do you see as being a bigger driver in the years ahead? Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:33:06Well, it's a great question, and you kind of answered a lot of the question in your, in your question. You know, for the Royal brand, we're very much a, you know, multigenerational family brand. We're fortunate that we've got the scale and the size. We've seen over the past couple of years that we've got growth in every single segment. And we know that the on-ramp for cruise is the shore product. We've known that for quite some time. We changed up our strategy some years ago with the development of Perfect Day at CocoCay, and significant investment in many of our ships that we moved to the short cruise market, and we started to really aggregate that segment of our business. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:33:50And the volume of new-to-cruise is significantly higher on shore product than it is on longer product for very logical reasons, which I think you touched on. It's just a much easier product to purchase. It's only a few days. It's less investment of time for new-to-cruise. And we found that when you get the product right, you can stimulate a large amount of demand. And I think what we've seen with Utopia is it was a very strategic decision to take a brand-new Oasis Class that we started to work on some years ago in terms of the product vibe, the energy, what we're offering the customer, and placing it into really the Port Canaveral, Orlando market, drive-to market, which is significant. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:34:31It's a great product to put up against what we see in Orlando, and it's easy to package, you know, a trip on Utopia as well as maybe a trip to Orlando. But certainly we've seen the demand has been outstanding for that product, and we're only in the second week of Utopia, and it is literally knocking it out of the park. Exceptionally high customer satisfaction, net promoter scores. The onboard revenue is being just very strong. We're very pleased with the onboard revenue, and guests are booking it. So, we know that if we get that product right, and we can put our best foot forward, that then we'll see a significant upswing in repeat to brand because of what they've experienced with Utopia. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:35:15Certainly, when you think of Icon in the seven-day market, and soon to be Star of the Seas, which is also going to Port Canaveral down into Perfect Day, we've got a really good, strong range of products that we can offer the customer, and they're booking it. Just as a sideline headline, Icon now is currently sailing at around 132% load factor, which is... We're just delighted with very high customer satisfaction. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:35:43Yeah, and Vince, I think just to add, 'cause I think Utopia is just a great example of our intentionality. I mean, you know, each of our brands are hyper-focused on understanding the different segments, the consumer of today and the consumer of tomorrow, and growing demand. And our commentary around what's happening, you know, with the younger generation, and, you know, half of our guests are now kind of in that category, though I consider myself young, but I'm not in that category, I guess. But it's, you know, us trying to address these multiple generations, these multiple experiences that people are looking to collect, and trying hard to meet our guests there. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:36:27I think, you know, you can see that whether you're looking at Utopia with the short, whether you're seeing that with Icon on seven, but you see that in Celebrity, you see that with Silversea. And our goal is to really make sure we have an experience that matches with the guest at different points in life, and that goes to our overarching strategy of having a lifetime of vacations. Vince CiepielAnalyst at Cleveland Research Company00:36:49Got it, that's helpful. So, the Michael Bayleys and the millennials of the world like Utopia, it sounds like. Quick question on twenty- Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:36:59You dug in. Vince CiepielAnalyst at Cleveland Research Company00:37:00Question on 2025 yield setup. I think you got into this a little bit when asked for this on 4Q, like for like, but when you think about next year, you have, you know, another half year of Utopia, you have Star coming, you have Xcel at the tail end, you have Royal Beach Club. Like, there seems to be a number of drivers incremental to the like for like, that could be supportive of yield growth. And then you also mentioned this, the denominator is much larger now. So, do you expect these other factors to be yield accretive next year in additional like for like, or like for like is still the larger driver? How should we be thinking about that? Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:37:40Yeah. Well, I think when you—certainly full year of Utopia, a full year or a half a year of Star will definitely be something that I would point to, that will contribute to our yield improvement next year, as well as like for like. Xcel is at the very, very end of the year, and the Royal Beach Club will be towards, you know, the back half of the year, and that will ramp itself up as we typically do, to make sure it's operationally perfect. And so, I think, you know, those are things—I think Xcel and the Royal Beach Club will probably be more of a driver in 2026 than in 2025. But certainly, you know, that new capacity is, it benefits us. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:38:18What we're seeing in the like-for-like pricing is that we expect that to be a meaningful contributor to our yields in 2025, as well as, by the way, onboard spend activity. Vince CiepielAnalyst at Cleveland Research Company00:38:30Great. Thanks. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:38:31Sure. Operator00:38:33Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Boss with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead. Matthew BossAnalyst at J.P. Morgan00:38:39Great, thanks, and congrats on another great quarter. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:38:41Thanks, Matt. Matthew BossAnalyst at J.P. Morgan00:38:43So, Jason, with all your Trifecta targets hit, you cited today that you're just getting started. So maybe could you elaborate on what that means in terms of global market share based on new customer trends that you're seeing today? And then Naftali, maybe just the multi-year margin opportunity. EBITDA margins exit this year, 200-300 basis points above 2019. Where do you see us going from here? Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:39:10Yeah. Well, I think... So, the comment on the just getting started, and you're all very familiar with this, but when we've talked about Trifecta, and even internally, we've talked about it as Base Camp. You know, so we've hit it, we've announced we're hitting it, but you won't see anybody here, like, doing victory laps. You know, it's getting our business. We're now back to full strength, full financial health. And, you know, if you just take what we've talked about with our formula of moderate yield growth, cost discipline, discipline in the growth of our business, but it drives significant margin and returns, for the business. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:39:49You combine that with, you know, the land-based things like the Royal Beach Club in the Bahamas and the Royal Beach Club in Mexico, you know, you see the power of the earnings and the returns that are gonna come forward here in the business. So I think when we look at like, what's next, it's now setting ourselves on how do we make sure we execute on those significant margin drivers? Because if you think about just in 2024, a 1% change in our yields is $120 million. A 1% change in our cost is about half of that. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:40:26So, you know, if you're continuing to grow your yields faster than you're growing your costs, or significantly faster than you're growing your costs, that's gonna deliver a lot of margin and return. The other point that I would add is that when we like, what are we chasing? Like, we're like, we're again, we're not chasing our cruise competitors. What we're chasing is, how do we grab more and more share from that $1.9 trillion growing vacation market? And I think with things like Icon and Utopia and Nova and Excel, et cetera, and the private destinations, what we're doing is trying to further differentiate ourselves and reel in more of those land-based consumers, and to make sure that we are a clear consideration in that vacation choice. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:41:11If we do that really well, that's where we can further close the gap to land-based vacation. And that will, you know, you know, because there's so much operating leverage in this business, you know, that's gonna drive significant earnings power and returns to our shareholders. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:41:27And Matt, I guess the one on your question on the margin, so we're very happy with the way we've obviously executed in the last two years, and you can see our margins are much higher than 2019. And this was because we were focused on our formula and kind of continuing to have profitable growth. That doesn't change going forward. So, as we think about new ships, new experiences, new initiatives, we want to continue to grow the revenue. That's obviously a great opportunity, as Jason said, $65 billion category, $1.9 trillion market. We see this as an amazing opportunity to win share from the consumer and continue to grow the business and expand it, and while doing that, with higher margins. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:42:12I'll go back to what Jason said, 1% of net revenue yield is $120 million. 1% of NCCX is $60 million. So you can see that if we continue on this formula and continue to grow the business, there's much more runway on the margin itself. That also creates a lot of free cash flow, right? We're a much bigger company today. So that, that will just expand our opportunities for capital allocation as well. Operator00:42:43Our next question comes from the line of Conor Cunningham with Melius Research. Please go ahead. Conor CunninghamAnalyst at Melius Research LLC00:42:50Hi, everyone. Thank you. Maybe just to stick on that return answer that you had. You know, obviously, it's great to see that the dividend's back, but as you think about additional—as the board thinks about additional avenues of shareholder returns, just curious, like, how you think about that and how that steps up from here. Is it just a function of time, or are you targeting additional balance sheet optimization before you start to think about maybe share purchases and so on? Thank you. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:43:19Yeah, sure. Well, thanks, Conor. And of course, you know, these things are always, you know, board decisions. I think the dividend really reflects that now we have gotten ourselves into our balance sheet zone, our credit metric zone, that we have been focused on doing. And I think that, you know, historically, we've used both dividend and other forms, like share repurchasing, to return capital to shareholders. And I would suspect that we would kind of, you know, be focused on both of those things and growing both of those things, over time. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:43:52So I think the dividend and, you know, the amount of the dividend, I think, is a reflection of, again, keeping ourselves in that, you know, 3.25 to 3.5 times, you know, debt to EBITDA zone. We've reached that on the 3.5 side, but our ultimate goal is to make sure we have a competitive dividend, and opportunistically, you know, buy back shares over time. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:44:16Yeah, and I'll just add that our balance sheet is obviously in the zone where we, you know, this is within the target. There's always opportunities, right? So, we obviously, first and foremost, manage maturities. We want to continue to reduce the cost of capital. We still are not done with unsecuring our balance sheet, so we have some work to do, but we're definitely in a very strong balance sheet position that allows us to reinstate the dividends and just continue to grow the business. Conor CunninghamAnalyst at Melius Research LLC00:44:43Yeah, that's helpful. Then, sorry to ask about the 2025 booking comment again, but you know, how does your yield management strategy change next year relative to this year? It just seems like there's additional opportunity to optimize that you didn't necessarily have this year. Or maybe to ask it a little differently: Did you feel like you left anything on the table given your booking curve, this year wasn't what you expect for it to be next year, as you approach that? Thank you. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:45:12Yeah, sure. So I think that you could see that obviously in the guide we had in the beginning of the year to where we are today, right? We're about 400+ basis points higher than we were in our expectations in the beginning of the year. So, you know, that that's a reflection of an acceleration in demand and really acceleration in price. So your takeaway from that is clearly we left some money on the table, and we were, you know, too booked going into Wave. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:45:43Now, you know, how we decide to take on those revenues is, you know, we have a very sophisticated revenue management system, a very sophisticated management team, that is, you know, looking at historical trends, what's happening in the market, to inform, you know, price and how much we take on and when. And so I think for us, you know, it's always a debate on. And again, this is always probably plus or minus, you know, five percentage points in terms of where our book position should be as we cross different periods. And of course, our ultimate goal here is not to, you know, say that we're record this or record that. Our ultimate goal here is to optimize our revenue. And that's what our tools do each and every day. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:46:28You know, it could very well be that we cross a year in the same type of book position or a little bit less or a little bit more, and that's just to make sure that we are again maximizing and optimizing our revenue. Conor CunninghamAnalyst at Melius Research LLC00:46:42Appreciate it. Thank you. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:46:44Sure. Operator00:46:45Our next question comes from the line of Robin Farley with UBS. Please go ahead. Robin FarleyAnalyst at UBS Investment Bank00:46:51Great. Thank you. So, Utopia looks like a great new ship, so don't mind that I'd like to ask about your next potential ship order. It's kind of a two-part question. Well, first is, some other cruise lines have been ordering sort of further out than we've seen before the pandemic, you know, some 8 or 9 years, some 12 years. Are you sort of having to think longer term about your order book than maybe you would have previously? Is that something you feel that you'll also have to do or that we may see you do? Robin FarleyAnalyst at UBS Investment Bank00:47:25And then secondly, it seems like there's kind of unofficially talk about a new ship class from you that would be smaller than, than, you know, your, the, the last two ship classes that you've had, and that may allow you to go to some markets that it can't handle some of the sort of newer, larger ships today. And I, I wonder if you can help quantify for us what percent of the driving market now, right? Because there are clearly markets like Miami and New York, where you have a big driving market, but these other potential new port cities that you're not going to with some of your new hardware, that would be new drives, you know, kind of new source markets with that are within a drive. Robin FarleyAnalyst at UBS Investment Bank00:48:10Can you quantify kind of what % increase that could be in your, in your drive market penetration if, you know, thinking about what those smaller ships may reach? I realize this is a longer-term question, but thanks. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:48:24Yeah. Hey, Robin, thanks for the question. So, first, yeah, we feel we have a very good line of sight on our order book. And, you know, it's all subscribed to being disciplined in the growth of our business. And of course, as we're adding capacity into our fleet, just to always remind that you know, like, as you're seeing with Utopia and Icon, or you're seeing with Silver Ray, et cetera, is, you know, these—they're going into different segments and different markets and different deployments each and every day. So, you know, of course, in the cruise ship business or in the cruise business, you're always thinking longer term. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:49:04You're not just thinking longer term in terms of growth and orders, but also your environmental footprint and what we can be doing to further reduce our emissions and the fuel that we burn, et cetera. So, this is a longer-term business and, you know, you know, designs of ships like Icon, which you heard us talk about, it was seven years in the making. So, this just doesn't happen, you know, a couple of years out. So, I think we feel very confident about our path of growth, and we feel very confident in our ability to take on those orders in a very disciplined way. We're always going through and look, you know, we're always designing the next classes of ships, really, for all of our brands. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:49:44We specifically pick segments and brands in those segments and deployments and experiences that we believe have a very long runway to generate demand globally, as each of our brands are a globally sourced business. And of course, the other thing I think that's important when you think about ship classes, whether they're you know could be small, they could be larger, it's kind of also a consideration that we also have ships that are reaching 30-35 years. And so, some of this is not just about oh we want to build you know you know same size ships, smaller ships. It's also replacing ships that you know will eventually kind of reach their end of life. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:50:28And I think when your question comes about the drivable market, you know, the ships that you're referring to that we're looking potentially at smaller ships, will probably replace some of those older ships. It's a little bit less about the sourcing market. It's more about where those ships can go. It's, you know, getting them into maybe some of the more unique and bespoke destinations, and further diversify our footprint around the world. You know, we go to about 1,000 different destinations today, and we keep more and more trying to spread out where our guests go. And size of ship can sometimes matter. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:51:06And I think our brands are always designing to how do we have the most flexible platform to deliver the experiences in which our guests are looking to go on. Robin FarleyAnalyst at UBS Investment Bank00:51:18Okay, great. Thanks very much. Jason LibertyCEO at Royal Caribbean Group00:51:21Great. One more question, please. Operator00:51:23Our final question will come from the line of Ben Chaiken with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Benjamin ChaikenAnalyst at Mizuho00:51:29Hi, good morning. With Paradise Island, how are you positioning this relative to CocoCay? And is this a different customer or similar? Meaning, are your future Paradise Island guests going to CocoCay today, or is it a different itinerary? And then, a quick follow-up. Thanks. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:51:46Hi, Ben, it's Michael. Yeah, it's positioned as another incredible experience. It's a beach club experience. It's exactly what our customers are looking for when they go to the Caribbean. They are seeking an experience on the beach, so it's a Royal Caribbean Beach Club. It'll fit very well into Perfect Day, particularly for the short product market. You can spend a day in Perfect Day, and then the next day you can spend the day in the beach club. So, it's kind of, like, really, totally perfect. And we think we're gonna seeing very strong demand for the product. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:52:18We've deployed, we've got our itinerary set for the beach clubs as they come online, and it'll be a combination of short product, including Perfect Day, longer product that may call into the beach club as it goes into Nassau, and often more often than not, including Perfect Day as well. So, it's really a very complementary product that fits extremely well with Perfect Day, and it also fits very well into short and long product. So, it's we think it's gonna be a really a huge success. And the demographics are exactly the same as the Perfect Day and exactly the same for the brand. Benjamin ChaikenAnalyst at Mizuho00:52:56Very helpful. And then as you, as you think about ticketing versus ancillaries spend, how do you imagine Paradise will be different than CocoCay or similar? Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:53:07In terms of spend, we think it's gonna be very similar. There's some differences because the beach club is a for-purchase experience. It's whereas Perfect Day, there's huge amount of the experience is complimentary, and then there's many elements of the experience that you purchase. Because when you, when you go to Perfect Day, the entire ship goes there, and, and it's, it's the entire day for the guest. Whereas when you have the beach club experience, it's an experience that's available to the guest, but the guest can choose other experiences as well. So, there's literally a, a ticket price to enter into the beach club. Benjamin ChaikenAnalyst at Mizuho00:53:44Got it. Thank you. Michael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean International at Royal Caribbean Group00:53:46Okay, we thank every- Operator00:53:47I'll turn the conference back to Naftali for closing remarks. Naftali HoltzCFO at Royal Caribbean Group00:53:50Great. Thank you. We thank everyone for your participation and interest. Michael will be available for any follow-up. We wish you all a great day. Operator00:53:59Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJason LibertyCEOMichael BayleyPresident and CEO, Royal Caribbean InternationalNaftali HoltzCFOAnalystsBenjamin ChaikenAnalyst at MizuhoBrandt MontourAnalyst at Barclays Bank PLCConor CunninghamAnalyst at Melius Research LLCMatthew BossAnalyst at J.P. MorganMichael McCarthyHead of Investor Relations at Royal Caribbean GroupRobin FarleyAnalyst at UBS Investment BankSteven WieczynskiAnalyst at Stifel Nicolaus & CompanyVince CiepielAnalyst at Cleveland Research CompanyPowered by