Enterprise Financial Services Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Solid core results: Reported EPS of $1.19 with a ROAA of 1.11% and pre‑provision ROAA of 1.61%; net interest income rose $5.5M QoQ and NIM improved to 4.23%, marking the sixth consecutive quarter of NII growth.
  • Positive Sentiment: Funding and growth momentum: Annualized loan growth was ~6% (~$174M net) and deposits grew ~$240M (ex‑brokered), with a recent branch acquisition adding ~$650M in well‑priced deposits and ~$300M in loans to strengthen liquidity and support future lending.
  • Negative Sentiment: Asset‑quality pressure: Non‑performing assets increased by ~$22M to 83 bps, led by a $12M life‑insurance premium finance loan and seven Southern California CRE loans totaling $68.4M; management expects collectability but timing is uncertain due to bankruptcy filings and potential litigation.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Tax‑credit accounting noise: A $24M recapture of solar tax credits produced a ~$30.1M gross accounting impact (recapture in tax expense, anticipated insurance recovery in non‑interest income); the company says the position is insured and there was no net impact to Q3 net income but it increased volatility in fee and tax line items.
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Enterprise Financial Services Q3 2025
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Operator

Thank you for standing by. My name is Carly, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Enterprise Financial Services Corp third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now turn the call over to Jim Lally, President and CEO. Please go ahead.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Good morning, and thank you all very much for joining us for our 2025 third quarter earnings call. Joining me this morning is Keene Turner, our company's Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer, and Douglas Bauche, our company's Chief Banking Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind everybody on the call that a copy of the release and accompanying presentation can be found on our website. The presentation and earnings release were furnished on SEC Form 8-K yesterday. Please refer to slide two of the presentation titled Forward Looking Statements, and our most recent 10-K and 10-Q for reasons why actual results may vary from any forward looking statements that we make today. The 1/3 quarter was another very solid quarter for our company. As we expected, we saw loan growth return to an annualized level of 6%, while deposit growth continued well above this level.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

This was a continuation of our intentional strategy to lean into our diversified geography and national businesses that allows for our team to focus on the business that fits us the best versus settling for transactional business that achieves certain growth targets. In addition to this, we spent considerable time on the recent closing and systems conversion for the acquisition of 10 branches in Arizona and two in the Kansas City area. As a reminder, this acquisition garnered us approximately $650 million of well-priced deposits and $300 million in loans, but more importantly, enhances an already strong presence in two strong markets for us. We did experience an increase in provision for loan losses in the quarter, primarily due to a $22 million increase in non-performing assets and net charge-offs.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Douglas will provide much more detail in his comments, but I feel good about our ability to work through these issues and expect our NPAs to return to historical levels over the next few quarters. The recapture of transferable solar tax credits in the quarter caused some noise in our income statement. This investment was a component of our income tax mitigation strategy and is not related to our tax credit loan and fee businesses. Keene will provide details on this and walk you through the accounting treatment in his comments, but I want to reiterate that this project is covered by insurance. With that said, we earned $1.19 per diluted share in the quarter compared to $1.36 in the linked quarter and $1.32 in the 1/3 quarter of 2024.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

This level of performance produced a return on average assets of 1.11% in the current quarter and a pre-provision ROAA of 1.61%. Net interest income and net interest margin both saw expansion in the quarter. Net interest income improved by $5.5 million when compared to the previous quarter, and net interest margin improved by two basis points, 4.23%. This was the sixth consecutive quarter that we saw net interest income growth. These results reflect our continued focus on pricing discipline on both sides of the balance sheet, combined with overall steady growth. We continue to improve on striking the correct balance of providing a strategic consultative experience for our clients with appropriate growth. I am confident that this model will continue to provide for our ability to grow NII for the foreseeable future.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

On an annualized basis, loan growth in the quarter was 6% or $174 million, net of $22 million of guaranteed loans that were sold during the quarter, resulting in a gain of $1.1 million. We continue to see really good progress in our Southwest markets with high-quality growth coming from newer markets like Dallas and Las Vegas. Overall, we originated loans in the quarter at a rate of 6.98%, which continues to be accretive to the overall portfolio yield. Deposit growth in the quarter was exceptional. Net of brokered CDs, we were able to grow deposits by $240 million. As impressive was the fact that DDA remained at 32%.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

While our national verticals provided for much of this growth in the quarter, we have experienced deposit growth from all of our regions year over year and would expect to see our typical fourth quarter swell from these markets to finish the year strong. Our ability to continue to grow deposits gives us plenty of liquidity to fund future loan growth while keeping our loan-to-deposit ratio at an appropriate level for our company. Our well-positioned balance sheet continues to be a strength for our company. Capital levels at quarter end remain stable and strong, with our tangible common equity to tangible assets ratio of 9.60% yielding a return on tangible common equity of 11.56%. This return profile aids the continued expansion of our tangible book value per common share, which increased over 15% on an annualized quarterly basis.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

This level of compounding of tangible book value per share far exceeds our 10-year CAGR of just over 10%. Given the strength of our earnings and our confidence in our ability to continue to perform at a high level, we increased the dividend by $0.01 per share for the fourth quarter of 2025 to $0.32 per share. Our asset quality statistics moved slightly higher in the quarter when compared to the linked quarter. Non-performing assets increased by $22 million, with the largest component of this being a $12 million life insurance premium finance loan that is adequately collateralized and just needs to work through the collection process to be resolved. I do not expect any loss of principal on this loan.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

When accounting for this and the previously disclosed seven commercial real estate loans in Southern California, these two issues, both of which have high certainty of collection, account for nearly 60% of our NPAs. This is why I'm confident that we will see the ratio of NPAs to total assets return to more historical levels in the quarters to come. I want to be clear that we have never had any exposure to the private lending business identified in regulatory filings by two other regional lenders and articles in various publications. As stated in our October 16th 8-K and previously discussed in our first quarter earnings call, the seven real estate loans in Southern California, totaling $68.4 million, are directly secured by Priority First mortgages on the real properties owned by the single-purpose entity borrowers.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

We have commenced foreclosure proceedings with respect to the real property and expect to collect the full balance on these loans. We will spend the remainder of the year focused on the cultural integration of our new associates who recently joined through our branch acquisition, along with our new clients acquired in the same deal. Additionally, we'll be focused on continuing the strong momentum we have in our regions and specialty deposit verticals, making sure that we enter 2026 with a great deal of confidence and momentum. Before turning the call over to Doug, I want to briefly comment on what we are hearing from our clients. Last quarter, I mentioned that the impetus for our clients' confidence was the passing of the One Big Beautiful Bill, the downward trajectory of short-term interest rates, and further clarity of U.S. trade policy.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

With the September rate cut behind us and several more on the horizon, we are seeing our clients move forward with more confidence than what we had seen in several previous quarters, despite continued uncertainty with some larger trading partners. With that said, I can see our onboarding of new clients and loan production maintaining its current level or possibly accelerating slightly from here. We operate in very good markets, many of which continue to have disruption due to M&A. We have invested in many new associates who are embracing our value-added solutions-based approach, and our balance sheet and deposit-generating capability has us positioned well to profitably fund the opportunities that will be presented. I'm excited for how 2025 will end and the momentum that we will carry into the new year. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Douglas Bauche. Doug?

Douglas Bauche
Douglas Bauche
Chief Banking Officer at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Thank you, Jim, and good morning, everyone. Over the past couple of months, I've spent considerable time in our major geographic markets, and I continue to be encouraged by both the quality and volume of new relationship opportunities we are seeing. Our brand continues to gain traction in our newer markets of North Texas and Southern Nevada, led by our bankers that are well entrenched and connected to those communities, and we continue to capitalize on the strong economic growth throughout our Southwest region. As Jim mentioned, the September rate reduction and further forecasted easing have seemed to spur some cautious optimism among business owners and real estate investors. Discussions with architects, contractors, and developers indicate that their new project pipelines are beginning to build momentum heading into 2026.

Douglas Bauche
Douglas Bauche
Chief Banking Officer at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

While volatility continues around trade tariffs with China, our C&I clients have largely navigated this challenging period successfully by adjusting supply chains and pricing to maintain operating margins. On the lending side, loans increased in the quarter $174 million, net of $22 million in SBA loan sales. We continue to prioritize full relationship wins with disciplined structure and pricing. Sector growth in the quarter is broken down on slide five and is well balanced between investor-owned CRE of $79 million, C&I of $31 million, including SBA owner-occupied commercial real estate and sponsor finance, and $73 million in our tax credit lending niche. Growth in the tax credit sector was largely related to scheduled fundings on existing affordable housing tax credit bridge loans. New C&I originations were solid and consistent with the linked quarter as we provided senior debt to both existing and new operating companies across our business lines.

Douglas Bauche
Douglas Bauche
Chief Banking Officer at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

However, strong originations were somewhat muted by the exit of a quick service food franchise client in our Midwest region, $22 million in SBA loan sales, and a reduction in commercial line of credit usage between the end of June and September. It appears our clients are working through some of the excess inventory purchases they made in prior periods when tariff and supply chain concerns were more pronounced. Within the specialty lending business lines, SBA production was stable with the prior quarter and in line with expectations. Sponsor finance originations slowed in the quarter as we continue our fewer but better approach while we remain disciplined and committed to this space. Originations in this segment were equally offset by payoffs resulting from sponsors exiting portfolio company investments.

Douglas Bauche
Douglas Bauche
Chief Banking Officer at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Life insurance premium finance loan originations were seasonally modest with a strong pipeline of activity heading into the historically strong final quarter of the year. This sector continues to perform well on a risk-adjusted basis and has experienced a 12% year-over-year growth rate. Moving to the geographic markets shown on slide six, we posted growth in our Midwest and Southwest regions while we continued to hold serve in our California markets. Growth in our major geographies came from the funding of a market-leading employee-owned electrical contractor, a privately held distributor of high-voltage electrical components, a manufacturer of high-precision metal parts, and several new commercial real estate loans with established developers for the acquisition or refinance of industrial and multifamily projects.

Douglas Bauche
Douglas Bauche
Chief Banking Officer at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Turning to deposits on slide seven, excluding the addition of $10 million of brokered CDs, client deposit balances grew by $241 million in the linked quarter and are up $822 million, a roughly 7% year over year. Non-interest-bearing accounts increased $65 million in the quarter and represent just over 32% of total deposits. Within the geographic markets shown on slide eight, we are posting solid customer deposit growth on a year-over-year basis across all regions. Growth has continued to come from our holistic approach to new business development, which rewards full banking relationships rather than transactional lending or high-cost idle cash balances. Our specialty deposit verticals posted strong results, up $189 million for the quarter and $681 million, or 22% year-over- year. Our specialty deposits consisting of property management, community associations, and legal industry escrow and trust services are broken out on slide nine.

Douglas Bauche
Douglas Bauche
Chief Banking Officer at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Deposits in the community association and property management specialties totaled roughly $1.5 billion each, while deposits residing within the escrow division reached $844 million. These businesses provide a diverse, growing, and overall favorable cost-adjusted source of funding that continues to complement our geographic base. Turning to slide ten, you'll see that our deposit base is intentionally well balanced across our core commercial, business and consumer banking, and specialty deposit channels at 37%, 33%, and 30% of total customer deposits, respectively. With deposit clients deeply rooted in treasury management and lending relationships, we're encouraged by our ability to rationally adjust pricing in the current rate environment while continuing to grow balances across the channels. I'd also like to provide some commentary on asset quality. As Jim noted earlier, non-performing assets increased $22 million to 83 basis points from 71 basis points in the linked quarter.

Douglas Bauche
Douglas Bauche
Chief Banking Officer at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

The increase in the quarter is largely centered around the $12 million life insurance premium finance loan that is 100% principal secured by cash value life insurance. We are in the process of liquidating the policy with the life insurance carrier, and we expect full principal collection. Other notable additions to non-accrual in the quarter included a $6.2 million sponsor finance credit, which was charged down by $3.75 million in the quarter, with the remaining $2.5 million book balance expected to be satisfied via the sale of business assets. A $2 million single-family residential real estate loan in Santa Monica and two smaller commercial real estate secured loans totaling $2.5 million in aggregate. On October 16th, we filed a Form 8-K reiterating our position relative to the previously reported seven commercial real estate secured non-performing loans totaling $68.4 million in the aggregate to seven special purpose entities in Southern California.

Douglas Bauche
Douglas Bauche
Chief Banking Officer at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Our recent foreclosure attempt on October 15th was temporarily stalled due to a second bankruptcy filing. However, we remain confident in our security position and ability to collect the balance of these loans in full. With the satisfaction of the $12 million life insurance premium finance loan and $68 million in aforementioned seven commercial real estate loans, we expect our non-performing assets to return to our favorable historical norms in the coming quarter. Now, I'll turn the call over to Keene Turner for his comments.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everyone. Turning to slide 11, we reported earnings per share of $1.19 in the third quarter on net income of $45 million. Excluding acquisition costs, EPS on an adjusted basis was $1.20. As Jim noted, we had a recapture of $24 million on solar credits that were purchased as part of our tax planning strategies. Solar tax credits, like many other tax credit programs, are subject to recapture from the IRS when certain events occur. Unfortunately, the seller of the tax credits went bankrupt and transferred the solar assets in a bankruptcy sale that triggered the recapture in the quarter. When we acquired the solar credits, we also purchased a tax credit insurance policy to mitigate the risk of loss. The recognition of the tax credit recapture and the anticipated recovery from the insurance policy has created some noise in our financial statements.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

The recapture is recorded in tax expense, while the insurance recovery is included in non-interest income. When you account for the recapture plus the taxes on the anticipated insurance recovery, the gross up in non-interest income and income tax expense is $30.1 million during the quarter. Since there is no impact on net income for the third quarter, we've excluded these items from the earnings per share bridge on slide 11. Net interest income and margin both showed strong expansion again in the quarter, benefiting from the increase in both loans and securities. In anticipation of the liquidity from branch acquisition that closed in early October, we had increased our security purchases over the past two quarters. Excluding the anticipated insurance recovery, non-interest income decreased due to lower tax credit and community development income.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

The provision for credit losses increased from the linked quarter, primarily due to net charge-offs and an increase in non-performing loans along with loan growth. Non-interest expense was higher in the quarter due to an increase in deposit costs from continued growth in the deposit verticals and higher legal and other expenses associated with the increase in and level of problem loans. Turning to slide 12 with more details to follow on 13, 1/3 quarter net interest income was $158 million, an increase of $5.5 million from the prior period, reflecting the trend of solid asset growth supported by a growing deposit base and disciplined pricing. Loan interest increased by $3.6 million on higher average balances and level yields. Average balances grew $96 million compared to the linked period, and a 6.98% rate on loans booked in the quarter supported the overall portfolio yield.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Interest on investments was $2.7 million higher compared to the linked period, with average balances increasing more than $200 million, and the portfolio yield was higher by seven basis points. The average tax equivalent purchase yield in the third quarter was 4.99%. Interest expense increased only $0.9 million compared to the linked quarter. Deposit expense increased by $1.6 million due to higher average balances, partially offset by lower rates on interest-bearing accounts. Interest expense on borrowings decreased $0.7 million, mainly due to lower Federal Home Loan Bank advances and customer repo balances, along with lower rates on both. Interest expense also reflected the redemption of our subordinated debt in September that was replaced with a new senior note at a 3% lower interest rate. Our resulting net interest margin for the third quarter was 4.23%, an increase of two basis points over the linked period.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

The earning asset yield declined by one basis point, mainly due to the change in the overall asset mix from growth in the investment portfolio. Our cost of funds declined by four basis points, driven by lower deposit rates and lower cost of Federal Home Loan Bank advances and repo balances, partially offset by an increase in average brokered deposits. We have focused for several quarters on creating an earnings profile that is less susceptible to changing interest rates, and we believe we have made significant strides. We are well positioned for the current rate environment to add profitable growth to enhance earnings. However, we are slightly asset sensitive, and we expect a quarter point reduction in the federal funds rate to reduce net interest margin by three to five basis points.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

That being said, we anticipate that most of the recent rate cut will largely be mitigated in the fourth quarter as the branch acquisition is expected to be five basis points accretive to our overall net interest margin. One last comment on margin. Despite the Fed reducing interest rates by over 100 basis points in the last year, we have managed to grow net interest margin over the last four quarters from 4.17% in the third quarter of 2024 to 4.23% in the most recent period. This speaks not only to a more favorable operating and interest rate environment, but also to the quality of our business model and the discipline in pricing and structure we have employed while achieving nearly 10% asset growth. Slide 14 reflects our credit trend. We had net charge-offs of $4.1 million compared to $1 million in the linked quarter.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Importantly, net charge-offs of 4 basis points for the first nine months of this year continue to trend below our historical average. The provision for credit losses was $8.4 million in the period compared to $3.5 million in the linked quarter. The increase was mainly due to the increase in net charge-offs, a higher level of non-performing loans, and loan growth. Non-performing assets increased $22 million to 83 basis points of total assets compared to 71 basis points in the linked quarter. Douglas Bauche provided a lot of details on the movement within our non-performing assets, but it's worth reiterating that the largest part of our non-performing assets continues to be made up of two commercial banking relationships where we expect to be made whole.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

We reaffirmed this expectation in the Form 8-K that we filed a little over a week ago, stating that we expect to collect the balance of these loans because of our senior secured position. Slide 15 shows the allowance for credit losses. We continue to be well-reserved with an allowance of 1.29% of total loans or 1.4% when adjusting for government guaranteed loans. On slide 16, 1/3 quarter non-interest income of $47 million includes the previously mentioned $30 million of accrued insurance proceeds related to the recapture of solar tax credits. Excluding this, non-interest income decreased $4.1 million from the linked quarter to $17 million, primarily due to lower tax credit and community development income, in addition to the non-recurrence of a BOLI policy payout received in the second quarter. We sold $22 million of SBA guaranteed loans that generated a gain of approximately $1.1 million in the current quarter.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Depending on levels of planned growth and activity in the SBA loan space, we may take the opportunity to continue to sell SBA loans in the coming quarters. Turning to slide 17, third quarter non-interest expense of $109.8 million increased $4.1 million from the second quarter. Deposit costs increased roughly $2.4 million from the linked quarter, primarily due to continued growth in the specialty deposit vertical balances. Legal and professional expenses increased as well. Legal and loan expenses grew slightly and remained at elevated levels as we worked through certain non-performing asset relationships. The resulting core efficiency was 61% a quarter. Our capital metrics are shown on slide 18. We grew tangible book value by 4% in the quarter and 12% in the past year.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Our tangible common equity ratio was 9.6%, up from 9.4% in the linked quarter, while our strong CET1 ratio of 12% is at the highest level in our history. The strength of our capital position supported the branch acquisition that closed earlier this month and also allowed for the redemption of our subordinated debt that was included in total risk-based capital. We also increased our quarterly dividend by $0.01 to $0.32 per share for the fourth quarter of 2025. This is another strong quarter of solid financial performance, and we expect to close out the year from a position of strength. The strategic branch acquisition that closed this month will help drive this performance as we expand our footprint in important markets. I appreciate your attention today, and we will now open the line for questions.

Operator

At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from Jeff Rulis with DA Davidson.

Jeff Rulis
Jeff Rulis
Managing Director Senior Research Analyst at DA Davidson

Thanks. Good morning.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Good morning, Jeff.

Jeff Rulis
Jeff Rulis
Managing Director Senior Research Analyst at DA Davidson

Thank you.

Jeff Rulis
Jeff Rulis
Managing Director Senior Research Analyst at DA Davidson

Question on the, to get a little more specific on these credit relationships, just the workout process. I understand you try to give visibility on the Southern California credits, but the resolution of the life insurance premium finance loan and these, could you narrow that into? I thought I heard resolution in the coming quarter and quarters. There were sort of some mixed terms there. Could you just sort of outline that again? How do you expect those to be resolved timeline-wise?

Douglas Bauche
Douglas Bauche
Chief Banking Officer at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Yeah, Jeff, it's Doug. Good morning. First of all, in relationship to the Southern California real estate loan, certainly with the secondary bankruptcy filing that has been made, the timing of that is a little bit difficult to ascertain. We do feel comfortable that we're going to get some fairly quick remediation from the bankruptcy courts on this. As we may have indicated in prior periods, we started down the path of both the nonjudicial and judicial foreclosure process in California in anticipation of a potential block like this. We're moving down the path as quickly as we can, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's going to be in the fourth quarter. I think it's more in the coming quarters that we'll get resolution on the real estate loans.

Douglas Bauche
Douglas Bauche
Chief Banking Officer at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

As it relates to the life insurance premium finance loan, I just reiterate we've got a stellar 20-year track record lending in this space without principal loss. This is unfortunate timing, but a co-trustee of the $12 million life insurance policy filed suit against the insurance carrier, and the insurance carrier is simply delaying their recognition of our demand to honor the obligations to surrender the policy and send us proceeds to pay the loan off. This looks like this may be heading through some litigation. With that said, I think precise timing of the resolution of that case is a bit uncertain, but what is certain is full coverage of cash surrender value covering our principal balance and collectibility.

Jeff Rulis
Jeff Rulis
Managing Director Senior Research Analyst at DA Davidson

Appreciate it. Doug, do you have NDFI exposure in the portfolio, just a figure of percent of loans overall?

Douglas Bauche
Douglas Bauche
Chief Banking Officer at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Yeah, let me say this. As it relates to NDFIs, it's a very broad classification that includes credit exposure to bank holding companies, mortgage warehouse originators, capital call lines for private equity funds, and a lot of different types of businesses, including those engaged in our state and new market tax credit lending programs. I think specifically what you might be referring to is more exposure to private lenders. I would say this, we have for years maintained some very favorable relationships with private lending entities where we take assignments of their notes, security instruments, and that's our primary collateral. Today, that portfolio consists of approximately $260 or $270 million in balances across, I'll call it, 18-20 different relationships. These private lenders specifically are largely engaged in providing first mortgage secured loans to investors in one to four family residential real estate.

Douglas Bauche
Douglas Bauche
Chief Banking Officer at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

You know our process here, Jeff, like everything else, right? These are deep relationships. They're highly experienced and quality leaders. We know them well, and we're very disciplined in our credit underwriting and monitoring process. Hopefully that captures what you're looking for there in terms of exposures to the private lenders.

Jeff Rulis
Jeff Rulis
Managing Director Senior Research Analyst at DA Davidson

Sure, that helps, Doug. Keene, on the margin, it sounds like you're largely going to offset this most recent rate cut. If we carry forward that 3-5 basis points pressure per 25 basis point cut, you detailed the history of the last year plus of really defending margin when you screen asset sensitive, but the reality is you've done much better than that. Is that still the case if we think about a flat margin into the fourth quarter with those cuts versus the branch accretion and the go forward? Would you say that the net of that is still some modest pressure and hope to do better than the 3-5? Any commentary on go forward?

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Maybe just as I always think about it, when we talk about asset sensitivity, we're also talking about parallel shifts. I don't think anybody's expecting a parallel shift. I think we're thinking the short end of the curve comes down, and in that case, that's been good for us, and we've been able to defend that fairly well. I think your comments are appropriate. I think that our view, once we get the branches on here, we're pretty neutral. When I start looking at both net interest margin and then pre-tax income at risk, if we execute on our mid-single-digit loan and deposit growth for next year, we're growing pre-tax income and essentially defending or growing net interest income because of the branch deal. When you look at last year's year-to-date period, returns are roughly 125 basis points.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

We're on top of that in the current period with a little bit worse provision. Our view is that if we assume that we rotate out of taking gains on SBA loans, that profile sort of remains the same. With a bigger balance sheet, you're growing earnings per share. We generally expect to defend an interest margin. It might drift a little bit, but you're still flirting with a 4.20% margin for most of 2026, at least as we see it right now. We're using Moody's baseline, so that has Fed funds going to 3% in the third quarter of 2026 and 50 basis points here in the fourth quarter. I feel like that environment or that forecast also doesn't assume that we get better than expected loan growth, which I do think will occur if we start to get rates down to that degree.

Jeff Rulis
Jeff Rulis
Managing Director Senior Research Analyst at DA Davidson

That's great. Thanks, Keene.

Operator

Our next question comes from Damon DelMonte with KBW.

Damon DelMonte
Damon DelMonte
Managing Director of Equity Research at KBW

Hey, good morning, guys. Hope everybody's doing well. Keene, just a question for you on the expense outlook here in the fourth quarter and how we think about going into 2026. Can you give a little bit of guidance on the expectation from the branch deal and the integration of that?

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Yeah. Total reported expenses here in the quarter were $110 million. There's some run rate adjustment in there. Let's call the run rate here in the 1/3 quarter normalized without one-timers $107 million. In the fourth quarter, you're going to get roughly $4.5 million of expenses related to run rate on the branch acquisition. There's probably $2.5 million of one-timers in there. When you think about full-year branch acquisition expenses on a run rate basis, it's just under $18 million. When you normalize through all of that and you take the historical Enterprise Financial Services Corp base and you annualize the branch base, we think expenses year-to-year will be up roughly 3.5%. That's kind of what we're thinking. That's got that Moody's interest rate reduction in that plan where the deposit costs essentially are level year-to-year.

Damon DelMonte
Damon DelMonte
Managing Director of Equity Research at KBW

Got it. Okay. All right. That's helpful. On the fee income, obviously some volatility in the tax credit income line this quarter. Fourth quarter typically is the strongest point of the year. How do we kind of think about the rebound off of the modest loss this quarter? I mean, maybe look at it on a full-year basis?

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Yeah, I think that we kind of went from maybe the best-case scenario of fee income in the second quarter to, I don't want to say worst-case scenario, but certainly a baseline here in the third quarter. I think the fourth quarter comes somewhere in between it. I will say that there is a, with the shutdown that's occurred right now, the SBA sale is maybe off the table as a lever here in the fourth quarter, but we do expect the CDE to have a little bit better quarter. Private equity should be in there. If tax credit delivers any kind of profitability, I think the fourth quarter should be somewhere between where the second and third quarter were. You will get a little bit of impact from the branch acquisitions. There's roughly $2 million annually of fees that come in.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

We give some fee income holidays around acquisitions, so you'd only maybe have like a month of that, but that'll also provide some benefit there.

Damon DelMonte
Damon DelMonte
Managing Director of Equity Research at KBW

Okay, somewhere in between the second and the third quarter, that's on a total non-interest expense basis, not just the tax.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

I think so. I think that that's, you know, we're expecting 50 basis points of rate reductions. That should help the tax credit line item in addition to activity. I just don't know if there's going to be an opportunity to sell SBA loans. I think we're going to have a, we would have otherwise had a strong quarter. I'm just not sure if those can get funded and sold and all that stuff.

Damon DelMonte
Damon DelMonte
Managing Director of Equity Research at KBW

Got it. Okay, great. I'll step back. Thank you.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Thanks, Damon.

Operator

Our next question comes from Nathan Race with Piper Sandler.

Nathan Race
Nathan Race
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler

Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Hey, Keene, just going back to your previous comments around non-interest expenses, can you just remind us what your deposit beta assumptions are just in terms of the ECR costs running through expenses?

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Yeah, it's 40%, and that's been pretty consistent. You know 25 is 10, and that's roughly $1 million quarterly for every 25 basis points.

Nathan Race
Nathan Race
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler

Okay. Great. Just turning to capital, I would be curious to maybe get Jim's updated thoughts on management priorities. Obviously, you guys are in a good capital position, and that should continue to build, absent any material deployment. Jim, just curious to hear what you're thinking on the M&A front these days and what the appetite for share repurchases is as well.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Yeah, sure. Thanks, Nate. Our primary capital really is to continue funding our growth and focused on that organic growth, given our markets and what have you. From an M&A perspective, as I talked about in my comments, it's about integration this time. Systems are working great now. It's a cultural and client integration that we're focused on with our new markets and expansion of our markets in Arizona and Kansas relative to other M&A. Certainly, like a lot of businesses, we talk to a lot of companies and what have you, but we're looking for the fit, if you will, that allows us to continue to improve the right side of our balance sheet and certainly stay close to the markets that we're in. To the extent that doesn't come to fruition, certainly buybacks are on the table for sure.

Nathan Race
Nathan Race
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler

Okay. Great. Maybe one last housekeeping question. I don't believe you guys disclosed kind of the core deposit and tangible and goodwill impact from the branch acquisition. I'm wondering if you could just update us on what we could be expecting there as we think about pro forma tangible book in the fourth quarter.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Yeah, I would just say high level, the dilution is 5%, Nate, and we expect that, you know, maybe that, depending on how marks work, it moves around a little bit from where we estimated it, it's going to be roughly $70 million of intangibles.

Nathan Race
Nathan Race
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler

Okay. Great. That 5% dilution doesn't include kind of the retained earnings impact in the fourth quarter, I presume?

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

No, that's just sort of hard-line deal math. I think we'll obviously make some profitability, and depending on what happens with securities fair value, you may not even see a diminution of tangible book value in the fourth quarter.

Nathan Race
Nathan Race
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler

Okay, I appreciate all the color. I'll step back. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Again, if you would like to ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from Brian Martin with Janney.

Brian Martin
Brian Martin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Janney

Hey, good morning, guys.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Morning, Brian.

Brian Martin
Brian Martin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Janney

Hey, just Keene, one clarification on the expenses. I think if the, is your suggestion on expenses at least kind of a run rate to think about for fourth quarter around $112 million? Is that, I missed the part about, you said something about a non-recurring piece. I know you said it was the baseline might be $107 million, and then you had about $4.5 million of pickup from the branches. So kind of that $112 million level is how we think about, you know, where you start for fourth quarter. Did I miss something there?

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

No, that's about right. I mean, I think you got, you know, sort of $2.5, you know, $114 -$2.5 of integration. So you're in that ballpark, like $111-$113 is kind of where we're thinking.

Brian Martin
Brian Martin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Janney

Gotcha. Okay. That's helpful. If we think about the fee income line, Keene, I guess I don't know that the tax line is one item, but just in terms of fee income, kind of where do you think, if we just think bigger picture, because there's a lot of moving parts and there's some variable pieces, if we think about it as a percentage of revenue, how you think about where that shakes out as you get into maybe next year on an annual basis. Is it kind of the current level? Is that how we should think about it? Is there a better way to think about it given all the moving parts in there that swing around in a given quarter? Bigger picture, annually, the best way to think about it.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Yeah, I think, I'm not sure I think about it relative to percent of revenue necessarily. It's 10%, 11%, but we're going to expect to grow net interest income. Maybe, you know, falling on my sword a little bit, we're going to outstrip fee income growth because that's kind of a mid-single-digit grower. I think when I look year to year at fee income levels, I think we expect generally that if you stripped out gain on sale of SBA loans, the level is consistent and maybe grows just slightly between 2025 and 2026. There's an opportunity to sell SBA loans, call it from $2.5 million-$5 million, depending on what production is, to solve for some greater profitability. I think that's more likely.

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

If I look out and say we're going to get Fed funds down to 3%, I think commercial loan growth is going to pick up, and I think SBA production is going to pick up. We've been on our heels a little bit there. We've been being disciplined on credit and other factors in all spaces, but especially SBA. I think with rates down, that'll improve pricing on gain on sale as well as just the approval rate for borrowers. That'll give us a greater opportunity both for production and for sales. That's an opportunity, but we're not factoring that into what we're thinking, and it's not reflected in my comments about stable ROA and ROTC from 2024 to 2025 to 2026.

Brian Martin
Brian Martin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Janney

Okay. Just a big picture on the fees, would you expect fourth quarter to be a relatively, you know, typically it's an outsized quarter on that tax credit activity. I mean, not getting into the dollars, but still an outsized quarter is in 4Q. Did you say that or if you didn't, I guess?

Keene Turner
Keene Turner
CFO and COO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

I didn't say that. Your comment's right. Typically, it's outsized. I think the tax credit line item with rates moving around and also with how we've repositioned that business to be more of a loan business than a fee business, it's gotten a little bit more volatile and a little bit less aggressive. We could come back and have, you know, $5 million or $6 million in that line item. That's not what we're planning. We're hoping we get, you know, $1.5 million-$2 million. My comments, I think, earlier to Damon were that I thought the fourth quarter total fee income would be somewhere between where the second was, which was a high watermark, and the third quarter, which was sort of a baseline kind of clean quarter minimum from my perspective. Somewhere in the middle of that, I think is a reasonable expectation for 4Q fee income.

Brian Martin
Brian Martin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Janney

Gotcha. Okay. Sorry about that. I missed that comment to Damon. Just one last one, maybe just for Jim. I guess, did I hear it right, Jim, in terms of it sounded as though on the capital front that the M&A might be more of an interest and the buyback in the short term, depending on then. If that was the case, or let me ask that, and I can ask a follow-up if I can, Jim, but did I miss that or is that kind of your prior?

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

I'd say this, that to me, the prioritization is growth, as I said, then we would look at buybacks. If M&A came about and it was a good opportunity for us to improve the right side of the sheet, we'd certainly look at it. We're certainly not chasing in that space right now.

Brian Martin
Brian Martin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Janney

Okay. It's more organic and buyback rather than M&A. If M&A is there, it seems like less of a priority in the short term.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

That's correct.

Brian Martin
Brian Martin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Janney

Gotcha. The last thing for me was just the strong growth that you guys have put up in the specialty deposits. Can you just give a sense of what's driving that? In terms of where that cost, where those deposit costs typically are, it sounds like they're maybe on the lower side, but kind of how do those costs shake out relative to the total cost of funds? Do you expect that rapid growth to continue?

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

The answer to that, Brian, is yes, we do. I think it's one of those things we've invested in people. We invest in systems, expertise, and all three of those verticals keep driving it. We look at it that it's a variable cost model for us, very profitable, yet we're garnering share from others just by virtue of being in the market like we are in our other businesses and being present and being problem solvers. We'll continue investing in that space with good producers.

Brian Martin
Brian Martin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Janney

Okay. I appreciate you guys taking the questions. Thank you.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

You bet, Brian. Thank you.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Jim Lally for closing remarks.

Jim Lally
Jim Lally
President and CEO at Enterprise Financial Services Corp

Charly, thank you. Thank you all very much for joining us this morning and your interest in our company. We look forward to speaking with you again in early 2026. Have a great day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

Executives
    • Douglas Bauche
      Douglas Bauche
      Chief Banking Officer
    • Jim Lally
      Jim Lally
      President and CEO
    • Keene Turner
      Keene Turner
      CFO and COO
Analysts
    • Nathan Race
      Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler
    • Brian Martin
      Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Janney
    • Damon DelMonte
      Managing Director of Equity Research at KBW
    • Jeff Rulis
      Managing Director Senior Research Analyst at DA Davidson
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