NYSE:ARR ARMOUR Residential REIT Q4 2025 Earnings Report $17.62 +0.07 (+0.42%) Closing price 05/8/2026 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$17.64 +0.01 (+0.07%) As of 05/8/2026 07:57 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast ARMOUR Residential REIT EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.71Consensus EPS $0.74Beat/MissMissed by -$0.03One Year Ago EPSN/AARMOUR Residential REIT Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$236.50 millionExpected Revenue$62.34 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$174.16 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AARMOUR Residential REIT Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2025Date2/18/2026TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, February 19, 2026Conference Call Time9:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsARMOUR Residential REIT's Q2 2026 earnings is estimated for Wednesday, July 22, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, July 23, 2026 at 8:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by ARMOUR Residential REIT Q4 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 19, 2026 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: ARMOUR reported a strong Q4 with a total economic return of 10.63%, GAAP net income available to common of $208.7M ($1.86/share), distributable earnings of $79.8M ($0.71/share), and book value up 6.5% to $18.63 (recent estimate $18.37 after dividends). Positive Sentiment: The portfolio grew to over $20B (up >10% QoQ), is nearly 100% agency MBS/CMBS/DUS/Treasuries with net duration 0.14 years and implied leverage ~7.9x, positioning ARMOUR to benefit from tighter spreads, lower volatility, and FHFA/GSE purchase support. Neutral Sentiment: Funding and liquidity have improved—liquidity ~54% of equity, repo markets liquid (~SOFR+15bps), 23 repo counterparties and average haircut ~2.75%—but ARMOUR has raised capital via ATMs (≈$138M common to date), which is mildly dilutive. Negative Sentiment: Prepayment risk is rising (aggregate CPR ~11.1 vs 8.1 prior quarter) and refinancings could accelerate if mortgage rates drop below 6%; management has increased specified and prepayment‑protected pools (~92% specified, ~30% protected) but sensitivity remains a key downside risk. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallARMOUR Residential REIT Q4 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day. Welcome to the ARMOUR Residential REIT's Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Scott Ulm, CEO. Please go ahead. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:00:33Good morning, and welcome to ARMOUR Residential REIT's fourth quarter 2025 conference call. This morning, I'm joined by our Chief Financial Officer, Gordon Harper, as well as our Co-Chief Investment Officers, Sergey Losyev and Desmond Macauley. I'll now turn the call over to Gordon to run through the financial results. Gordon HarperCFO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:00:52Thank you, Scott. By now, everyone has access to ARMOUR's earnings release, which can be found on ARMOUR's website, www.armourreit.com. This conference call includes forward-looking statements, which are intended to be subject to the safe harbor protection provided by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The Risk Factors section of ARMOUR's periodic reports, filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, describe certain factors beyond ARMOUR's control that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by these forward-looking statements. Those periodic filings can be found on the SEC's website at www.sec.gov. All of today's forward-looking statements are subject to change without notice. We disclaim any obligation to update them unless required by law. Also, today's discussion refers to certain non-GAAP measures. These measures are reconciled with comparable GAAP measures in our earnings release. Gordon HarperCFO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:01:49An online replay of this conference call will be available on ARMOUR's website shortly and will continue for one year. Q4 was a strong quarter for ARMOUR, with a total economic return of 10.63% for the quarter, as we benefited from MBS spreads tightening, lower MBS volatility, and a lower interest rate environment. The market momentum we saw in Q4 has continued so far into Q1. ARMOUR's Q4 GAAP net income available to common stockholders was $208.7 million, or $1.86 per share. Net interest income was $50.4 million. Distributable earnings available to common stockholders was $79.8 million or $0.71 per common share. This non-GAAP measure is defined as net interest income, plus TBA drop income, adjusted for interest income or expense on our interest rate swaps and futures contracts, minus net operating expenses. Gordon HarperCFO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:02:46Quarter-end book value was $18.63 per common share, up 6.5% from September 30. Our most recent current available estimate of book value as of Tuesday, February 17, was $18.37 per common share, which reflects the payment of our January dividend of $0.24 and the accrual of the entire February common dividend payable on February 27, 2026, again, of $0.24 per common share. During Q4, ARMOUR raised approximately $3.8 million of capital by issuing approximately 183,000 shares of preferred stock through an at-the-market offering program. Through February 11, 2026, we've raised approximately $138 million of capital under our common-at-the-market program by issuing approximately 7.5 million shares of common stock, which is mildly dilutive. Gordon HarperCFO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:03:44We also issued $4.8 million of capital from the issuance of 230,000 shares of preferred stock under our preferred at-the-market program. ARMOUR paid monthly common dividends per share of $0.24 per common share per month, for a total of $0.72 for the quarter. As we've stated previously, we aim to pay an attractive dividend that is appropriate in the context and stable over the medium term. On January 29th, we paid a cash dividend of $0.24 per outstanding common share to the holders of record as of January 15th, 2026. We have also declared cash dividends of $0.24 per outstanding common share, payable on February 27th, 2026, and March 30th, 2026, to holders of record on February 17th and March 16th, respectively. Gordon HarperCFO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:04:35I will now turn the call back over to CEO, Scott Ulm, to discuss ARMOUR's portfolio position and current strategy. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:04:42Thank you, Gordon. ARMOUR delivered a robust fourth quarter, marking a 6.5% increase in book value in the fourth quarter. The strong growth extended to our balance sheet. The portfolio grew for a second consecutive quarter, increasing by more than 10% from the end of the third quarter of 2025, driven by roughly 22 basis points of spread tightening while maintaining moderate leverage throughout the quarter. ARMOUR's mortgage assets now total over $20 billion, supported by a strong capital liquidity position of approximately 54% of total shareholders' equity as of the end of January. We viewed agency MBS as a high conviction opportunity from the onset of the Fed's easing cycle in the third quarter of 2024, and the backdrop for 2026 has now turned materially more supportive. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:05:30Despite spreads tightening, tightening meaningfully so far in 2026, the market's appeal remains anchored in declining rate volatility and easing funding costs, supported by the Fed's efforts to lower rates and maintain ample banking liquidity. While prepayments have moved off their cyclical lows of recent years, they remain contained, with primary mortgage rates still anchored around 6%. Add in a steeper yield curve, and the result is a market that we expect to continue to favor MBS, with compelling returns relative to returns in corporate credit, where spreads are trading at historically tight valuations.... Technical supply and demand dynamics are now working with us, not against us. The administration's focus on lowering mortgage spreads reinforces a clear North Star for a stable mortgage market, an objective we expect Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to support through FHFA's $200 billion MBS purchase mandate. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:06:24The GSEs have posted strong monthly purchases of mortgage assets throughout last year, while net issuance of conventional MBS remained negative in the fourth quarter. The imbalance has revived attractive returns in the TBA roll market, creating a liquid carry environment and expanding the buyer base for agency MBS. I'll now turn it over to Desmond for more detail on our portfolio. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:06:46Thanks, Scott. ARMOUR's most recent net balance sheet duration stands at 0.14 years, with a modest positive bias to the front end of the curve, consistent with easing monetary policy. Implied leverage, excluding Treasury longs, is 7.9 times, a balanced posture that reflects tighter spreads and a lower volatility backdrop versus the prior year. The portfolio remains nearly 100% agency MBS, agency CMBS or DUS, and US Treasuries to target specific yield curve exposures. Consistent with our balance sheet growth, we added over $3 billion of MBS pools and DUS across the fourth quarter and early first quarter, and our purchase mix has evolved as rates and spreads have moved. Early in the fourth quarter, we determined it was most attractive to overweight premium dollar MBS, which offered the most attractive spreads and yields. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:07:53Anticipating that GSE purchases would most likely concentrate in near-par coupons, where the impact on primary mortgage rates is most direct, we added over $1 billion of 4.5- and five-coupon MBS ahead of Trump's GSE announcement in early January. As belly coupons tighten to historically rich levels to near single-digit OAS, we shifted toward lower coupons and seasoned collateral, where affordability initiatives aimed at unfreezing the housing market could drive higher turnover speeds while preserving higher yields in deeper discount MBS. Within premium bonds, we focus more on call protection in higher tier maximum loan size pools, while keeping payoff targets at 24 ticks or lower. In agency CMBS, our five-year DUS position experienced extreme spread tightening. On a relative value basis, 10-year DUS bonds now screen more attractive, particularly when hedged with longer-dated SOFR swaps, with pay fixed rates still cheaper than Treasury hedges. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:09:10Roughly 86% of our hedges are in OAS and SOFR pay fixed swaps, with a balance in Treasury futures. The benchmark 10-year SOFR swap spread has normalized back to its pre-LIBOR day average of approximately -37 basis points, and we anticipate further gains will likely hinge on the path of policy debate around the Fed's desired balance sheet size and banking deregulation. Aggregate portfolio prepayments averaged 11.1 CPR through Q4 2025 and Q1 2026 to date, versus 8.1 CPR in Q3 2025. Stable, but running at a somewhat higher level versus the prior year. Despite tighter mortgage spreads, the 30-year mortgage rate has remained in a tight 6%-6.3% band, though it has recently shifted toward the low end of that range. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:10:16The administration's push for affordability without sacrificing home price appreciation leaves mortgage rates and spreads as the two primary levers to accomplish that. However, the easy work has already been done. The mortgage rate, the mortgage rate spread for the 10-year Treasury is now below its 15-year average. Further declines in mortgage rates will therefore require lower long-end Treasury yields, which have not declined in sync with front-end rate cuts since the start of the easing cycle in 2024. Still, we remain mindful that many originators have built significant capacity to ramp up refinancing, which could be triggered by a sustained move below 6% and may accelerate speeds in par and premium coupons in coming quarters. Refi activity has proven to be highly sensitive to marginal mortgage rate declines, keeping prepayment risk in TBAs and the generic premium MBS elevated. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:11:26Coupon selection and specified collateral remain the key to containing the prepayment risk. We are positioned accordingly. Nearly 30% of assets are in prepayment-protected Agency CMBS pools and discount MBS, while specified MBS pools with some form of prepayment protection comprise over 92% of ARMOUR's portfolio. Funding markets have also turned a corner. 2026 repo conditions have improved materially versus last year. Markets are liquid and financing levels have eased, with repo rates averaging roughly SOFR plus 15 basis points.... The SOFR to Fed funds spread has also normalized to near flat. As repo rates backed up in late 2025, the Fed moved quickly to contain intra-month funding pressures tied to falling reserves and elevated T-bill supply. First, the Fed continues to implement a policy of easing the overnight Fed funds rate. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:12:34Second, it has shifted its reinvestments by directing pay downs of its Treasury and MBS holdings back into the Treasury market. Third, it initiated outright purchases of up to $40 billion per month in Treasury bills and other short-dated Treasuries to stabilize reserve balances and maintain ample system liquidity. This response reinforces the systemic importance of repo markets as the foundation for liquid financial conditions and underscores the Fed's low tolerance for a repeat of the September 2019 episode, when reserve scarcity and balance sheet frictions contributed to a sharp dislocation in secured funding. While the incoming chair has signaled an appetite for a smaller Fed footprint and a reduced balance sheet over time, we expect the central bank's focus on orderly funding markets to remain the highest priority, with a willingness to respond preemptively ahead of any emerging stress. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:13:44As of today, we finance the portfolio across 23 active repo counterparties. Approximately 80% of our repo principal is financed at a 3% haircut or lower, and the weighted average haircut across the repo book is approximately 2.75%. Buckler Securities accounts for roughly 40%-60% of our repo financing. Back to you, Scott. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:14:14Thanks, Desmond. We continue to set our dividend with a medium-term outlook. While acknowledging relatively tighter spreads versus the prior year, we expect the backdrop of a steeper yield curve and lower volatility remains supportive for a consistent and predictable return profile for our assets. Our approach remains unchanged: stress test our liquidity, apply systematic hedging, and deploy capital when opportunities present themselves. Overall, we're confident in our positioning, our strategy, and our ability to deliver value for shareholders in 2026. Before we open the line for questions, we'd also like to highlight that we've launched a new investor presentation, now available on ARMOUR's website. It provides additional insight for investors, including how our portfolio has transformed over time. Thank you for joining today's call and for your continued interest in ARMOUR. Operator00:15:07We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. First question comes from Timothy D'Agostino with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead. Timothy D'AgostinoResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:15:39Yeah, good morning. Thank you for taking the question. I was wondering on the portfolio and interest-bearing assets. By my estimates, it increased year-over-year, around, like, 49%. I was wondering, you know, the outlook in 2026, do you see potential for similar growth or maybe a little bit less, given, you know, the increase in 2025? Thank you. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:16:05You know, there are a couple elements there, but certainly one of the most important is capital raising. And we are, you know, when we see an opportunity to raise capital combined with investment opportunities we like, we'll execute on that. But we are, you know, we're, we discriminate a fair amount in terms of what we, you know, what is gonna be attractive or not. So, I'm afraid I got to tell you, it depends on how the market behaves, both on the investment side and the equity side, of whether we will be similar or smaller or in some other relationship to what we were able to do last year. Timothy D'AgostinoResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:16:45Okay, great. Thank you so much. And then just to confirm, book value as of Tuesday was $18.37 per share? Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:16:54Correct. And that's after the accrual of our full February dividend and the payment of our January dividend. Timothy D'AgostinoResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:17:01All right. Perfect. Thank you so much. Operator00:17:05The next question comes from Trevor Cranston with Citizens. Please go ahead. Trevor CranstonEquity Research Analyst at Citizens00:17:11Hey, thanks. Good morning. Can you guys talk about where you're seeing incremental returns on new investment today, you know, given the spread tightening that's occurred, and, you know, how you view the incremental level of return, you know, compared to the dividend you're currently paying? Thanks. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:17:32Yes. Hi, Trevor. This is Desmond Macauley. So on a current basis, the levered yield on 30-year 5s, which are currently production coupon, is around the mid-teens, let's say about 15%. This assumes eight turns of leverage, hedged to 0.5 duration using smart hedges, and it's a static framework over a period of just about three months. It doesn't assume any more spread tightening. Now, we think, at least in the medium term, we could see a bit more spread tightening. So let's say we get another 10 basis points of OAS tightening. That adds about 4%. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:18:20... to that return. And also the curve would steepen some more. So if we have another—if we see another 50 basis points in curve steepening, particularly led by the front end, through more fed cuts, which is that we anticipate, that can also add about another 1% or so. So those are all, you know, parts of the, you know, full total return framework. Some of that will accrue to our book value. Now, in terms of marginal capital raise, we see that that hurdle rate is about 16%, so that would be dividend use to common, and the management fee is just 75 basis points on new equity. So you add that together, that's roughly about 16%. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:19:11So you can see that for production coupon, the base case returns are, you know, close to that level already, and with just a little bit more steepener, and if we see more tightening, it will, you know, surpass that by a couple more points. Does that answer your question? Trevor CranstonEquity Research Analyst at Citizens00:19:33Yeah, that's very helpful. Thank you. And then I guess in general, can you guys talk about, you know, how you're thinking about the likelihood of, you know, further actions driven by, you know, the government to attempt to lower mortgage rates? You know, things such as increasing the GSE portfolio limits further or, you know, potentially doing other things like lowering G-fees, et cetera. Thanks. Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:20:02Hey, Trevor, this is Sergey. Yeah, so around the, you know, the week in Davos, we were expecting maybe a few more announcements on the affordability push that the administration has announced, with the GSE purchases. We haven't gotten anything. It feels to us that maybe the lowest hanging fruit has been picked, you know, in terms of, pressuring spreads and mortgage rates lower, but, without affecting home prices. I think the next steps, kind of have, both positives and negatives for the, for that push, in terms of, you know, GSE, the G-fee cuts for the GSEs, you know, take away some of the profitability, make them less a private enterprise, profitable enterprise, and more of a, you know, policy tool. It'll introduce negative convexity to investors who may demand wider spreads. Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:20:54So some of the further steps may work counter to what, you know, administration has called the North Star in terms of keeping mortgage spreads nice and stable. We do expect more announcements. Obviously, there have been announcements on affordability, assumability of mortgage loans. 50-year loans have been taken off the table. So there's a lot of announcements that have been made, but once you get to the implementation stage of it, things have been quite slow. Having said that, you know, we definitely expect in the midterm year for these announcements to be quite active. Trevor CranstonEquity Research Analyst at Citizens00:21:33Okay. Appreciate the comments. Thank you. Operator00:21:37The next question comes from Dave Storms with Stonegate Capital. Please go ahead. Dave StormsDirector of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital00:21:43Morning, and thank you for taking my questions. I wanted to start with just asking for a little more thoughts on your current liquidity. It looks like quarter-over-quarter, you put a little more to work, but then it looks like it's back up as of last month end. I guess, how do you think about this in the near term? Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:22:04So hi, Dave. So yeah, I think our liquidity, we mentioned, is about 54% of the total equity at the month end. It's a really good spot, reflects our moderate leverage, you know, kind of where we have been, been steady in terms of liquidity. So, you know, we don't foresee any sharp changes given our current position in the portfolio. Dave StormsDirector of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital00:22:35Understood. Thank you. And then I also know you mentioned the current marks at about maybe 30% of your portfolio is payment protected. With mortgage rates hovering around the 6%, do you... I know the market likes nice round numbers, do you see any risk of a tipping point or, more maybe a linear situation as, as mortgage rates maybe continue to tick lower? Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:23:00Yeah, I mean, look, prepayments have increased from Q4, so far in Q1, we noted it in our script. We're definitely towards the lower range of the mortgage rates than we've been over the last couple of years. February prevailing mortgage rate will be lower after the GSE announcements, as well. So the risk of faster prepayments has increased, right? And I think in sync with that, our portfolio has morphed over the last couple of quarters to protect us more from lower mortgage rates. 30% in discounts and thus specified pools make up 92%. Within the 92%, almost 40% is in the loan balance stories, other credit, and geo stories. Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:23:47So we feel like, there's a there there, you know, faster refinances are in the future, but we've built our portfolio to... for that environment. Dave StormsDirector of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital00:24:02Understood. Thank you. Operator00:24:06Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question comes from Eric Hagen with BTIG. Please go ahead. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:24:16Hey, thanks. Good morning. I think you guys mentioned in the opening remarks, haircuts for MBS have come down. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:24:21... It was a good, it's kind of an interesting comment. Can you maybe frame, kind of like where, where that level is relative to, like, the historical levels? And then if the GSEs are helping reduce volatility in the market, could we see that haircut level come down even further, potentially? Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:24:42We would hope so. I mean, a lot of the guidance on the haircuts comes from FICC. But, in terms of our, you know, bilateral counterparty, repo haircuts, we have worked, with a lot of our counterparts to bring down, you know, the maximum haircuts closer to our weighted average of 2.75. I think a lot of, almost 80% of our repo book is closer to, at 3%. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:25:14Okay. Following up on the conversation around just where you are in the coupon stack. I mean, you mentioned originators have been really able to leverage some of their tools to be aggressive on refi. I mean, how does that drive the appetite for the current coupon specifically? And, you know, like the OAS that's in the current coupon, how do you, how do you compare that to some of the lower coupons and just where you feel comfortable taking prepayment risk? Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:25:43Yeah, we've been looking away from current coupons because that's kind of where the biggest impact from the announcement has been really all throughout the Q4. We did add in Q4 a little over $1 billion in 4.5 and five's, but since then, probably we are more looking at the wings, deeper discount coupons, where we can see some of the, you know, housing activity perhaps reignite with any of these affordability measures. You know, in terms of premium coupons, they're still our core holding. If you look at the OAS spread difference between 102 price and current coupon MBS, you know, we're at close to two standard deviations on that spread, historically speaking, right? Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:26:32So a lot of the G-fees and prepayments and, you know, fee cuts have already been priced into the premiums. So, it's really, you know, looking at kind of barbell approach in the coupon stack at this point. But even within the belly, the coupon stack, you can find stories which pick OAS versus TBA, specifically, maybe like seasoned collateral, things like that. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:26:59How many Fed cuts do you feel like are currently priced into the mortgage basis? It's a very- Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:27:05How many Fed cuts? Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:27:06Yeah. Yeah, how many Fed cuts for the rest of this year do you think are priced into the mortgage basis right now? Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:27:15The market is expecting by the end of December, a little bit over two cuts. And, you know, from our perspective, we think it's reasonable. We think that normalization will continue this year. It looks like when we get to around June, the probability is about 100%, getting close to 100%. And that will be a very good environment for the MBS market and mortgage spreads. We think that the curve is already steepened. If we do see more cuts, then funding costs will come down, the curve will steepen even more, and that makes the entire space more attractive and it adds to overall total return. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:28:01Great. Thank you guys so much. Appreciate your comments. Operator00:28:07This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Scott Ulm for any closing remarks. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:28:16Thank you very much for your interest in ARMOUR REIT. If there are follow-up questions, don't hesitate to call the office, and we will get back to you as soon as we can. Thanks so much, and good morning to you. Operator00:28:29The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesDesmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment OfficerGordon HarperCFOScott UlmCEOSergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment OfficerAnalystsDave StormsDirector of Equity Research at Stonegate CapitalEric HagenManaging Director at BTIGTimothy D'AgostinoResearch Analyst at B. Riley SecuritiesTrevor CranstonEquity Research Analyst at CitizensPowered by Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Annual report(10-K) ARMOUR Residential REIT Earnings HeadlinesHead-To-Head Survey: AG Mortgage Investment Trust (NYSE:MITT) vs. ARMOUR Residential REIT (NYSE:ARR)May 7 at 5:23 AM | americanbankingnews.comDid ARR’s GAAP Loss and Strong Dividend Coverage Just Reframe ARMOUR Residential REIT's (ARR) Investment Narrative?April 26, 2026 | finance.yahoo.comThe REAL Reason Trump is Invading IranFor a moment… Forget about Trump’s ties to Israel. Forget about reports of Iran’s nuclear program. 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Email Address About ARMOUR Residential REITARMOUR Residential REIT (NYSE:ARR) (NYSE:ARR) is a mortgage real estate investment trust that was formed in 2008 to acquire and manage a portfolio of residential mortgage-backed securities (RMBS). The company’s investments are primarily agency-sponsored and agency-guaranteed RMBS issued by U.S. government-sponsored enterprises, along with credit risk transfer securities and select non-agency residential and multifamily RMBS. By focusing on high-quality mortgage assets, ARMOUR Residential REIT seeks to generate stable income and preserve capital through diversified exposure to the U.S. residential mortgage market. The trust operates under an externally managed structure, with portfolio management and day-to-day operations handled by affiliates of Armour Capital Management, LP. This partnership enables ARMOUR Residential REIT to leverage deep mortgage analytics, risk management expertise and trading capabilities. The REIT utilizes both equity and debt financing to fund its acquisitions, aiming to optimize its capital structure and enhance risk-adjusted returns. ARMOUR Residential REIT’s investment strategy emphasizes managing interest rate risk through duration and convexity alignment, as well as employing hedging instruments such as interest rate swaps and Treasury futures. The REIT seeks to generate attractive current income by capturing the spread between yields on its mortgage assets and its borrowing costs. Distributions to shareholders are funded primarily from net interest income and realized gains on mortgage securities. Headquartered in the United States, ARMOUR Residential REIT offers investors targeted exposure to the residential mortgage sector without the complexities of direct mortgage origination. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day. Welcome to the ARMOUR Residential REIT's Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Scott Ulm, CEO. Please go ahead. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:00:33Good morning, and welcome to ARMOUR Residential REIT's fourth quarter 2025 conference call. This morning, I'm joined by our Chief Financial Officer, Gordon Harper, as well as our Co-Chief Investment Officers, Sergey Losyev and Desmond Macauley. I'll now turn the call over to Gordon to run through the financial results. Gordon HarperCFO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:00:52Thank you, Scott. By now, everyone has access to ARMOUR's earnings release, which can be found on ARMOUR's website, www.armourreit.com. This conference call includes forward-looking statements, which are intended to be subject to the safe harbor protection provided by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The Risk Factors section of ARMOUR's periodic reports, filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, describe certain factors beyond ARMOUR's control that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by these forward-looking statements. Those periodic filings can be found on the SEC's website at www.sec.gov. All of today's forward-looking statements are subject to change without notice. We disclaim any obligation to update them unless required by law. Also, today's discussion refers to certain non-GAAP measures. These measures are reconciled with comparable GAAP measures in our earnings release. Gordon HarperCFO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:01:49An online replay of this conference call will be available on ARMOUR's website shortly and will continue for one year. Q4 was a strong quarter for ARMOUR, with a total economic return of 10.63% for the quarter, as we benefited from MBS spreads tightening, lower MBS volatility, and a lower interest rate environment. The market momentum we saw in Q4 has continued so far into Q1. ARMOUR's Q4 GAAP net income available to common stockholders was $208.7 million, or $1.86 per share. Net interest income was $50.4 million. Distributable earnings available to common stockholders was $79.8 million or $0.71 per common share. This non-GAAP measure is defined as net interest income, plus TBA drop income, adjusted for interest income or expense on our interest rate swaps and futures contracts, minus net operating expenses. Gordon HarperCFO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:02:46Quarter-end book value was $18.63 per common share, up 6.5% from September 30. Our most recent current available estimate of book value as of Tuesday, February 17, was $18.37 per common share, which reflects the payment of our January dividend of $0.24 and the accrual of the entire February common dividend payable on February 27, 2026, again, of $0.24 per common share. During Q4, ARMOUR raised approximately $3.8 million of capital by issuing approximately 183,000 shares of preferred stock through an at-the-market offering program. Through February 11, 2026, we've raised approximately $138 million of capital under our common-at-the-market program by issuing approximately 7.5 million shares of common stock, which is mildly dilutive. Gordon HarperCFO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:03:44We also issued $4.8 million of capital from the issuance of 230,000 shares of preferred stock under our preferred at-the-market program. ARMOUR paid monthly common dividends per share of $0.24 per common share per month, for a total of $0.72 for the quarter. As we've stated previously, we aim to pay an attractive dividend that is appropriate in the context and stable over the medium term. On January 29th, we paid a cash dividend of $0.24 per outstanding common share to the holders of record as of January 15th, 2026. We have also declared cash dividends of $0.24 per outstanding common share, payable on February 27th, 2026, and March 30th, 2026, to holders of record on February 17th and March 16th, respectively. Gordon HarperCFO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:04:35I will now turn the call back over to CEO, Scott Ulm, to discuss ARMOUR's portfolio position and current strategy. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:04:42Thank you, Gordon. ARMOUR delivered a robust fourth quarter, marking a 6.5% increase in book value in the fourth quarter. The strong growth extended to our balance sheet. The portfolio grew for a second consecutive quarter, increasing by more than 10% from the end of the third quarter of 2025, driven by roughly 22 basis points of spread tightening while maintaining moderate leverage throughout the quarter. ARMOUR's mortgage assets now total over $20 billion, supported by a strong capital liquidity position of approximately 54% of total shareholders' equity as of the end of January. We viewed agency MBS as a high conviction opportunity from the onset of the Fed's easing cycle in the third quarter of 2024, and the backdrop for 2026 has now turned materially more supportive. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:05:30Despite spreads tightening, tightening meaningfully so far in 2026, the market's appeal remains anchored in declining rate volatility and easing funding costs, supported by the Fed's efforts to lower rates and maintain ample banking liquidity. While prepayments have moved off their cyclical lows of recent years, they remain contained, with primary mortgage rates still anchored around 6%. Add in a steeper yield curve, and the result is a market that we expect to continue to favor MBS, with compelling returns relative to returns in corporate credit, where spreads are trading at historically tight valuations.... Technical supply and demand dynamics are now working with us, not against us. The administration's focus on lowering mortgage spreads reinforces a clear North Star for a stable mortgage market, an objective we expect Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to support through FHFA's $200 billion MBS purchase mandate. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:06:24The GSEs have posted strong monthly purchases of mortgage assets throughout last year, while net issuance of conventional MBS remained negative in the fourth quarter. The imbalance has revived attractive returns in the TBA roll market, creating a liquid carry environment and expanding the buyer base for agency MBS. I'll now turn it over to Desmond for more detail on our portfolio. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:06:46Thanks, Scott. ARMOUR's most recent net balance sheet duration stands at 0.14 years, with a modest positive bias to the front end of the curve, consistent with easing monetary policy. Implied leverage, excluding Treasury longs, is 7.9 times, a balanced posture that reflects tighter spreads and a lower volatility backdrop versus the prior year. The portfolio remains nearly 100% agency MBS, agency CMBS or DUS, and US Treasuries to target specific yield curve exposures. Consistent with our balance sheet growth, we added over $3 billion of MBS pools and DUS across the fourth quarter and early first quarter, and our purchase mix has evolved as rates and spreads have moved. Early in the fourth quarter, we determined it was most attractive to overweight premium dollar MBS, which offered the most attractive spreads and yields. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:07:53Anticipating that GSE purchases would most likely concentrate in near-par coupons, where the impact on primary mortgage rates is most direct, we added over $1 billion of 4.5- and five-coupon MBS ahead of Trump's GSE announcement in early January. As belly coupons tighten to historically rich levels to near single-digit OAS, we shifted toward lower coupons and seasoned collateral, where affordability initiatives aimed at unfreezing the housing market could drive higher turnover speeds while preserving higher yields in deeper discount MBS. Within premium bonds, we focus more on call protection in higher tier maximum loan size pools, while keeping payoff targets at 24 ticks or lower. In agency CMBS, our five-year DUS position experienced extreme spread tightening. On a relative value basis, 10-year DUS bonds now screen more attractive, particularly when hedged with longer-dated SOFR swaps, with pay fixed rates still cheaper than Treasury hedges. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:09:10Roughly 86% of our hedges are in OAS and SOFR pay fixed swaps, with a balance in Treasury futures. The benchmark 10-year SOFR swap spread has normalized back to its pre-LIBOR day average of approximately -37 basis points, and we anticipate further gains will likely hinge on the path of policy debate around the Fed's desired balance sheet size and banking deregulation. Aggregate portfolio prepayments averaged 11.1 CPR through Q4 2025 and Q1 2026 to date, versus 8.1 CPR in Q3 2025. Stable, but running at a somewhat higher level versus the prior year. Despite tighter mortgage spreads, the 30-year mortgage rate has remained in a tight 6%-6.3% band, though it has recently shifted toward the low end of that range. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:10:16The administration's push for affordability without sacrificing home price appreciation leaves mortgage rates and spreads as the two primary levers to accomplish that. However, the easy work has already been done. The mortgage rate, the mortgage rate spread for the 10-year Treasury is now below its 15-year average. Further declines in mortgage rates will therefore require lower long-end Treasury yields, which have not declined in sync with front-end rate cuts since the start of the easing cycle in 2024. Still, we remain mindful that many originators have built significant capacity to ramp up refinancing, which could be triggered by a sustained move below 6% and may accelerate speeds in par and premium coupons in coming quarters. Refi activity has proven to be highly sensitive to marginal mortgage rate declines, keeping prepayment risk in TBAs and the generic premium MBS elevated. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:11:26Coupon selection and specified collateral remain the key to containing the prepayment risk. We are positioned accordingly. Nearly 30% of assets are in prepayment-protected Agency CMBS pools and discount MBS, while specified MBS pools with some form of prepayment protection comprise over 92% of ARMOUR's portfolio. Funding markets have also turned a corner. 2026 repo conditions have improved materially versus last year. Markets are liquid and financing levels have eased, with repo rates averaging roughly SOFR plus 15 basis points.... The SOFR to Fed funds spread has also normalized to near flat. As repo rates backed up in late 2025, the Fed moved quickly to contain intra-month funding pressures tied to falling reserves and elevated T-bill supply. First, the Fed continues to implement a policy of easing the overnight Fed funds rate. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:12:34Second, it has shifted its reinvestments by directing pay downs of its Treasury and MBS holdings back into the Treasury market. Third, it initiated outright purchases of up to $40 billion per month in Treasury bills and other short-dated Treasuries to stabilize reserve balances and maintain ample system liquidity. This response reinforces the systemic importance of repo markets as the foundation for liquid financial conditions and underscores the Fed's low tolerance for a repeat of the September 2019 episode, when reserve scarcity and balance sheet frictions contributed to a sharp dislocation in secured funding. While the incoming chair has signaled an appetite for a smaller Fed footprint and a reduced balance sheet over time, we expect the central bank's focus on orderly funding markets to remain the highest priority, with a willingness to respond preemptively ahead of any emerging stress. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:13:44As of today, we finance the portfolio across 23 active repo counterparties. Approximately 80% of our repo principal is financed at a 3% haircut or lower, and the weighted average haircut across the repo book is approximately 2.75%. Buckler Securities accounts for roughly 40%-60% of our repo financing. Back to you, Scott. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:14:14Thanks, Desmond. We continue to set our dividend with a medium-term outlook. While acknowledging relatively tighter spreads versus the prior year, we expect the backdrop of a steeper yield curve and lower volatility remains supportive for a consistent and predictable return profile for our assets. Our approach remains unchanged: stress test our liquidity, apply systematic hedging, and deploy capital when opportunities present themselves. Overall, we're confident in our positioning, our strategy, and our ability to deliver value for shareholders in 2026. Before we open the line for questions, we'd also like to highlight that we've launched a new investor presentation, now available on ARMOUR's website. It provides additional insight for investors, including how our portfolio has transformed over time. Thank you for joining today's call and for your continued interest in ARMOUR. Operator00:15:07We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. First question comes from Timothy D'Agostino with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead. Timothy D'AgostinoResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:15:39Yeah, good morning. Thank you for taking the question. I was wondering on the portfolio and interest-bearing assets. By my estimates, it increased year-over-year, around, like, 49%. I was wondering, you know, the outlook in 2026, do you see potential for similar growth or maybe a little bit less, given, you know, the increase in 2025? Thank you. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:16:05You know, there are a couple elements there, but certainly one of the most important is capital raising. And we are, you know, when we see an opportunity to raise capital combined with investment opportunities we like, we'll execute on that. But we are, you know, we're, we discriminate a fair amount in terms of what we, you know, what is gonna be attractive or not. So, I'm afraid I got to tell you, it depends on how the market behaves, both on the investment side and the equity side, of whether we will be similar or smaller or in some other relationship to what we were able to do last year. Timothy D'AgostinoResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:16:45Okay, great. Thank you so much. And then just to confirm, book value as of Tuesday was $18.37 per share? Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:16:54Correct. And that's after the accrual of our full February dividend and the payment of our January dividend. Timothy D'AgostinoResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:17:01All right. Perfect. Thank you so much. Operator00:17:05The next question comes from Trevor Cranston with Citizens. Please go ahead. Trevor CranstonEquity Research Analyst at Citizens00:17:11Hey, thanks. Good morning. Can you guys talk about where you're seeing incremental returns on new investment today, you know, given the spread tightening that's occurred, and, you know, how you view the incremental level of return, you know, compared to the dividend you're currently paying? Thanks. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:17:32Yes. Hi, Trevor. This is Desmond Macauley. So on a current basis, the levered yield on 30-year 5s, which are currently production coupon, is around the mid-teens, let's say about 15%. This assumes eight turns of leverage, hedged to 0.5 duration using smart hedges, and it's a static framework over a period of just about three months. It doesn't assume any more spread tightening. Now, we think, at least in the medium term, we could see a bit more spread tightening. So let's say we get another 10 basis points of OAS tightening. That adds about 4%. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:18:20... to that return. And also the curve would steepen some more. So if we have another—if we see another 50 basis points in curve steepening, particularly led by the front end, through more fed cuts, which is that we anticipate, that can also add about another 1% or so. So those are all, you know, parts of the, you know, full total return framework. Some of that will accrue to our book value. Now, in terms of marginal capital raise, we see that that hurdle rate is about 16%, so that would be dividend use to common, and the management fee is just 75 basis points on new equity. So you add that together, that's roughly about 16%. Desmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:19:11So you can see that for production coupon, the base case returns are, you know, close to that level already, and with just a little bit more steepener, and if we see more tightening, it will, you know, surpass that by a couple more points. Does that answer your question? Trevor CranstonEquity Research Analyst at Citizens00:19:33Yeah, that's very helpful. Thank you. And then I guess in general, can you guys talk about, you know, how you're thinking about the likelihood of, you know, further actions driven by, you know, the government to attempt to lower mortgage rates? You know, things such as increasing the GSE portfolio limits further or, you know, potentially doing other things like lowering G-fees, et cetera. Thanks. Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:20:02Hey, Trevor, this is Sergey. Yeah, so around the, you know, the week in Davos, we were expecting maybe a few more announcements on the affordability push that the administration has announced, with the GSE purchases. We haven't gotten anything. It feels to us that maybe the lowest hanging fruit has been picked, you know, in terms of, pressuring spreads and mortgage rates lower, but, without affecting home prices. I think the next steps, kind of have, both positives and negatives for the, for that push, in terms of, you know, GSE, the G-fee cuts for the GSEs, you know, take away some of the profitability, make them less a private enterprise, profitable enterprise, and more of a, you know, policy tool. It'll introduce negative convexity to investors who may demand wider spreads. Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:20:54So some of the further steps may work counter to what, you know, administration has called the North Star in terms of keeping mortgage spreads nice and stable. We do expect more announcements. Obviously, there have been announcements on affordability, assumability of mortgage loans. 50-year loans have been taken off the table. So there's a lot of announcements that have been made, but once you get to the implementation stage of it, things have been quite slow. Having said that, you know, we definitely expect in the midterm year for these announcements to be quite active. Trevor CranstonEquity Research Analyst at Citizens00:21:33Okay. Appreciate the comments. Thank you. Operator00:21:37The next question comes from Dave Storms with Stonegate Capital. Please go ahead. Dave StormsDirector of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital00:21:43Morning, and thank you for taking my questions. I wanted to start with just asking for a little more thoughts on your current liquidity. It looks like quarter-over-quarter, you put a little more to work, but then it looks like it's back up as of last month end. I guess, how do you think about this in the near term? Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:22:04So hi, Dave. So yeah, I think our liquidity, we mentioned, is about 54% of the total equity at the month end. It's a really good spot, reflects our moderate leverage, you know, kind of where we have been, been steady in terms of liquidity. So, you know, we don't foresee any sharp changes given our current position in the portfolio. Dave StormsDirector of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital00:22:35Understood. Thank you. And then I also know you mentioned the current marks at about maybe 30% of your portfolio is payment protected. With mortgage rates hovering around the 6%, do you... I know the market likes nice round numbers, do you see any risk of a tipping point or, more maybe a linear situation as, as mortgage rates maybe continue to tick lower? Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:23:00Yeah, I mean, look, prepayments have increased from Q4, so far in Q1, we noted it in our script. We're definitely towards the lower range of the mortgage rates than we've been over the last couple of years. February prevailing mortgage rate will be lower after the GSE announcements, as well. So the risk of faster prepayments has increased, right? And I think in sync with that, our portfolio has morphed over the last couple of quarters to protect us more from lower mortgage rates. 30% in discounts and thus specified pools make up 92%. Within the 92%, almost 40% is in the loan balance stories, other credit, and geo stories. Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:23:47So we feel like, there's a there there, you know, faster refinances are in the future, but we've built our portfolio to... for that environment. Dave StormsDirector of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital00:24:02Understood. Thank you. Operator00:24:06Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question comes from Eric Hagen with BTIG. Please go ahead. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:24:16Hey, thanks. Good morning. I think you guys mentioned in the opening remarks, haircuts for MBS have come down. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:24:21... It was a good, it's kind of an interesting comment. Can you maybe frame, kind of like where, where that level is relative to, like, the historical levels? And then if the GSEs are helping reduce volatility in the market, could we see that haircut level come down even further, potentially? Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:24:42We would hope so. I mean, a lot of the guidance on the haircuts comes from FICC. But, in terms of our, you know, bilateral counterparty, repo haircuts, we have worked, with a lot of our counterparts to bring down, you know, the maximum haircuts closer to our weighted average of 2.75. I think a lot of, almost 80% of our repo book is closer to, at 3%. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:25:14Okay. Following up on the conversation around just where you are in the coupon stack. I mean, you mentioned originators have been really able to leverage some of their tools to be aggressive on refi. I mean, how does that drive the appetite for the current coupon specifically? And, you know, like the OAS that's in the current coupon, how do you, how do you compare that to some of the lower coupons and just where you feel comfortable taking prepayment risk? Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:25:43Yeah, we've been looking away from current coupons because that's kind of where the biggest impact from the announcement has been really all throughout the Q4. We did add in Q4 a little over $1 billion in 4.5 and five's, but since then, probably we are more looking at the wings, deeper discount coupons, where we can see some of the, you know, housing activity perhaps reignite with any of these affordability measures. You know, in terms of premium coupons, they're still our core holding. If you look at the OAS spread difference between 102 price and current coupon MBS, you know, we're at close to two standard deviations on that spread, historically speaking, right? Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:26:32So a lot of the G-fees and prepayments and, you know, fee cuts have already been priced into the premiums. So, it's really, you know, looking at kind of barbell approach in the coupon stack at this point. But even within the belly, the coupon stack, you can find stories which pick OAS versus TBA, specifically, maybe like seasoned collateral, things like that. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:26:59How many Fed cuts do you feel like are currently priced into the mortgage basis? It's a very- Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:27:05How many Fed cuts? Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:27:06Yeah. Yeah, how many Fed cuts for the rest of this year do you think are priced into the mortgage basis right now? Sergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment Officer at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:27:15The market is expecting by the end of December, a little bit over two cuts. And, you know, from our perspective, we think it's reasonable. We think that normalization will continue this year. It looks like when we get to around June, the probability is about 100%, getting close to 100%. And that will be a very good environment for the MBS market and mortgage spreads. We think that the curve is already steepened. If we do see more cuts, then funding costs will come down, the curve will steepen even more, and that makes the entire space more attractive and it adds to overall total return. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:28:01Great. Thank you guys so much. Appreciate your comments. Operator00:28:07This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Scott Ulm for any closing remarks. Scott UlmCEO at ARMOUR Residential REIT00:28:16Thank you very much for your interest in ARMOUR REIT. If there are follow-up questions, don't hesitate to call the office, and we will get back to you as soon as we can. Thanks so much, and good morning to you. Operator00:28:29The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesDesmond MacauleyCo-Chief Investment OfficerGordon HarperCFOScott UlmCEOSergey LosyevCo-Chief Investment OfficerAnalystsDave StormsDirector of Equity Research at Stonegate CapitalEric HagenManaging Director at BTIGTimothy D'AgostinoResearch Analyst at B. Riley SecuritiesTrevor CranstonEquity Research Analyst at CitizensPowered by