Carlyle Secured Lending Q4 2025 Earnings Report

Carlyle Secured Lending EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.33
• Consensus EPS: $0.38
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$0.05
• One Year Ago EPS: N/A

Carlyle Secured Lending Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $66.91 million
• Expected Revenue: $67.26 million
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$343.00 thousand
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

Carlyle Secured Lending Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q4 2025
• Date: 2/24/2026
• Time: After Market Closes
• Conference Call Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2026
• Conference Call Time: 11:00AM ET

Carlyle Secured Lending (NASDAQ:CGBD) (NASDAQ: CGBD) is a closed-end, non-diversified business development company that provides customized debt financing solutions to middle-market companies. Chartered under the Investment Company Act of 1940, the company invests primarily in floating-rate senior secured loans, including first-lien, unitranche and one-stop structures. Its objective is to generate current income and capital appreciation through disciplined credit selection and active portfolio management.

The firm focuses on U.S. borrowers across a range of industries, including business services, healthcare, manufacturing and technology. By targeting sponsor-backed and independently owned enterprises with stable cash flows, Carlyle Secured Lending seeks to structure transactions that balance yield potential with downside protection. Its portfolio typically comprises secured obligations backed by company assets and receivables, providing a cushion against credit volatility in varied market environments.

Carlyle Secured Lending’s investment activities are overseen by Carlyle Global Credit Investment Management, the credit arm of The Carlyle Group. Leveraging global research capabilities and risk management frameworks, the team employs in-house credit analysis and market insights to source and monitor investments. Since commencing operations in 2018, the company has maintained a diversified portfolio and a floating-rate exposure designed to benefit from rising interest rate regimes.

Carlyle Secured Lending Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Positive Sentiment: Leadership change: Alex Chi was appointed CEO (with prior BDC CEO experience) and Tom Hennigan was promoted to President while remaining CFO, emphasizing continuity and plans to better harness the Carlyle platform.
• Positive Sentiment: Record origination momentum: 2025 was a record year — CGBD deployed >$1.2 billion (platform commitments >$7 billion) and Q4 fundings exceeded $400 million, lifting total investments to roughly $2.5 billion.
• Negative Sentiment: Yield and near-term earnings pressure: Lower base rates and tight spreads compressed portfolio yields; Q4 GAAP NII was $0.33/share ($0.36 adjusted) and management expects earnings to trough in H1 2026 despite a $0.40 quarterly dividend and ~$0.74/share of estimated spillover income.
• Positive Sentiment: New Structured Credit Partners JV: CGBD committed $150 million to a fee‑free JV with Sixth Street and other BDCs that will use CLO financing and is expected to materially uplift returns (management cites a potential ~400–500 bps benefit) and be accretive to ROE.
• Positive Sentiment: Capital return and balance-sheet positioning: The company repurchased ~$28 million of stock at ~23% average discount, increased the buyback authorization to $300 million (adding NAV accretion), while adjusted leverage remained modest (~1.1x) and liquidity was described as strong.

Presentation

[Operator]

Hello, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Carlyle Secured Lending Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask the question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You would hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. I will now like to hand the call over to Nishil Mehta. Sir, you may begin.

[Nishil Mehta, Managing Director and Head of Structured Credit at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Good morning, welcome to Carlyle Secured Lending's fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. I'm joined by Justin Plouffe, our former Chief Executive Officer, Alex Chi, CGBD's newly appointed Chief Executive Officer, and Tom Hennigan, our President and Chief Financial Officer. Last night, we filed our Form 10-K and issued a press release with a presentation of our results, which are available on the investor relations section of our website. Following our remarks today, we will hold a question-and-answer session for analysts and institutional investors. This call is being webcast, and a replay will be available on our website. Any forward-looking statements made today do not guarantee future performance, and any undue reliance should not be placed on them. Today's conference call may include forward-looking statements reflecting our views with respect to, among other things, our future operating results and financial performance.

[Nishil Mehta, Managing Director and Head of Structured Credit at Carlyle Secured Lending]

These statements are based on current management expectations and involve inherent risks and uncertainties, including those identified in the Risk Factors sections of our Form 10-K. These risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to defer materially from those indicated. CGBD assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements at any time. During this conference call, the company may discuss certain non-GAAP measures as defined by SEC Regulation G, such as adjusted net investment income or Adjusted NII.

[Nishil Mehta, Managing Director and Head of Structured Credit at Carlyle Secured Lending]

The company's management believes Adjusted Net Investment Income, Adjusted Net Investment Income per share, adjusted net income, and adjusted net income per share are useful to investors as additional tools to evaluate ongoing results and trends, and to review our performance without giving effect to the amortization or accretion resulting from the new cost basis of the investments acquired and accounted for under the acquisition method of accounting in accordance with ASC 805, and the one-time purchase or non-recurring investment income and expense events, including the effects on incentive fees and are used by management to evaluate the economic earnings of the company. A reconciliation of GAAP net investment income per share, the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure to Adjusted NII per share, can be found in the accompanying slide presentation for this call.

[Nishil Mehta, Managing Director and Head of Structured Credit at Carlyle Secured Lending]

A reconciliation of these measures may also be found in our earnings release filed last night with the SEC on Form 8-K. With that, I'll turn the call over to Justin.

[Justin Plouffe, Former Chief Executive Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Thanks, Nishil. Good morning, everyone. Thank you all for joining. As many of you know, I've assumed the role of Chief Financial Officer of Carlyle and resigned as CEO, President, and Director of CGBD. Earlier this year, Alex Chi joined the firm as Deputy Chief Investment Officer for Global Credit and Head of Direct Lending, and was recently appointed CEO and a Director of CGBD.

[Justin Plouffe, Former Chief Executive Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

With Alex's deep expertise, including prior experience as CEO of multiple BDCs, his proven leadership and strong industry relationships, we're confident he will help us continue to deliver results and growth for CGBD shareholders. Separately, Thomas Hennigan, who has been with the platform since inception, has been appointed President of CGBD, in addition to his existing role as CFO, Chief Risk Officer, and Director. I'd like to now introduce Alex and hand over the call for his remarks.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Thanks, Justin, and good morning. I'd like to start by highlighting how excited I am to join Carlyle. CGBD's core investment strategy will remain the same. We're focused on stable, high-quality credits in the core and upper middle market. As I look forward, I'm highly focused on continuing to build out our origination engine and harness the full power of the Carlyle platform for the benefit of CGBD shareholders. On today's call, I'll give an overview of our fourth quarter and full year 2025 results, including the quarter's investment activity and portfolio positioning, and provide an update on our investment outlook. I'll hand the call over to our President and CFO, Tom Hennigan. 2025 was a record year of originations for both CGBD and the Carlyle Direct Lending platform, a direct result of our efforts to enhance our origination capabilities.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

We deployed over $1.2 billion at CGBD and closed over $7 billion of commitments at the platform level. The fourth quarter was also a record at CGBD, with over $400 million of investment fundings, resulting in net investment activity of $193 million after accounting for repayments. Total investments at CGBD increased from $2.4 billion-$2.5 billion during the quarter, and total investments at our MMCF joint venture increased to over $950 million. While we benefited from strong origination across the platform, CGBD was impacted by lower investment yields due to lower base rates and historically tight spreads on new originations. We generated $0.33 per share of net investment income for the quarter on a GAAP basis, and $0.36 of adjusted NII per share.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Our board of directors declared a first-quarter 2026 dividend of $0.40 per share. Our net asset value as of December 31st was $16.26 per share, compared to $16.36 per share as of September 30th. Although the public markets have experienced volatility due to a reset in valuations for companies potentially disintermediated by AI, we remain confident in the quality and stability of our portfolio. Our software track record remains exemplary. Over the last five years, Carlyle Direct Lending has originated over $6 billion in commitments to software deals, with 0 defaults.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

On average, the software borrowers in our book have grown revenue and EBITDA by approximately 8% and 20% year-over-year, respectively, and the weighted average loan-to-value of our software book is 40% below the rest of the portfolio, even after adjusting for multiple degradation based on public comparables. In addition, CGBD's software exposure as a percentage of the portfolio is below that of our peer group. We invest in software companies that we believe deliver embedded, data-driven, and mission-critical products that deliver tangible ROI for customers on a daily basis. Our underwriting process focuses on businesses that have a strong competitive moat, driven by either incumbency, data ownership, a network effect, or any combination of these.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Software as an industry has always been about innovation, and we believe that the same key factors that have traditionally provided market defensibility will also provide insulation from the newest market threat, AI. For products that are truly embedded and mission-critical, we view AI as a way to augment the functionality of these products, not necessarily to replace them.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Many of our borrowers, which are already embedded and mission-critical to their customers, either have already or are in the process of layering AI capabilities into their product sets to bolster their offerings. In addition to this core software investing framework, which we believe will insulate our portfolio from AI disintermediation, our underwriting process incorporates AI-specific risk factors into every new origination, regardless of industry sector, and we actively assess both direct and indirect exposure across the portfolio using the same framework.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

In light of recent volatility and concerns in the software space, we have re-underwritten and examined our entire portfolio to evaluate AI disruption and displacement risk. We continuously monitor the portfolio closely through a detailed review process and continue to feel comfortable with our exposure, finding no material near-term risks to our portfolio companies from AI at this stage. We remain focused on portfolio diversification while managing target leverage.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

As of December 31st, our portfolio was comprised of 165 companies across more than 25 industries. The average exposure to any single portfolio company was less than 1% of total investments, and 94% of our investments were in senior secured loans. The median EBITDA across our portfolio was $97 million. As always, discipline and consistency drove performance in the fourth quarter, and we expect these tenets to drive performance in future quarters.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Following quarter end, we announced the formation of a new joint venture capitalized by four BDCs, comprised of CGBD, a private perpetual BDC, Carlyle Credit Solutions, and two BDCs managed by Sixth Street. The new JV, Structured Credit Partners, or SCP, is expected to increase diversification and portfolio yield at CGBD. SCP will focus on investing in broadly syndicated first lien, senior secured loans, financed with long-term, non-mark-to-market, and predominantly investment-grade rated CLO debt. Returns from SCP will be enhanced by no management fees or incentive fees at the underlying CLOs or at the joint venture, reflecting Carlyle's continued commitment to CGBD. SCP highlights the benefits of scale through partnership with Sixth Street and underscores the power of the Carlyle platform, which houses one of the largest CLO managers in the world with $50 billion of AUM.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Historical median CLO returns have typically been within the 10%-12% range, we anticipate a potential 400-500 basis point uplift from the fee-free structure. We expect the investment to be highly accretive to return on equity for CGBD. Looking ahead, we expect 2026 to be an active year as M&A activity increases. Through a combination of increased market activity and Carlyle Direct Lending's rejuvenated origination platform, our pipeline for the first quarter has picked up, we expect to continue to see strong deal flow. CGBD is well positioned to capitalize on this opportunity with Carlyle's deep expertise across multiple asset classes, a strong and long-standing track record in direct lending, and a growing origination apparatus.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

As manager dispersion increases, we expect the breadth of our platform and the consistency of our performance to differentiate us from credit managers that do not have access to the same scale, scope, or investment capabilities with dedicated in-house investing, portfolio management, and restructuring resources the Carlyle platform offers. With that, I'll now hand the call over to our President and CFO, Tom Hennigan.

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Thank you, Alex. Today, I'll begin with an overview of our fourth quarter financial results. I'll discuss portfolio performance before concluding with detail on our balance sheet positioning. Total investment income for the fourth quarter was $67 million, in line with prior quarter, as an increase in average portfolio size was offset by a decrease in total portfolio yields as a result of lower base rates and lower spreads. Total expenses of $43 million increased versus prior quarter, primarily as a result of higher interest expense due to a higher average outstanding debt balance, as well as the acceleration of debt issuance costs from the repayment of our 2028 notes in December.

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

The result was net investment income for the fourth quarter of $24 million, or $0.33 per share on a GAAP basis, and $0.36 per share after adjusting for the acceleration of debt issuance costs and the impact of asset acquisition accounting related to the CSL III merger and the consolidation of Credit Fund II, both of which closed in the first quarter of 2025. Our board of directors declared the dividend for the first quarter of 2026 at a level of $0.40 per share, which is payable to stockholders of record as of the close of business on March 31st. In addition, we currently estimate we have $0.74 per share of spillover income to support the quarterly dividend.

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

As mentioned during last quarter's call, we expect to see earnings trough in the first half of 2026, primarily due to the impact of the base rate cuts. We anticipate an increase in earnings thereafter as we ramp the portfolios of both JVs. Given CGBD shares continue to trade at a compelling discount, we repurchased $14 million of shares at an average discount of nearly 23% during the fourth quarter, resulting in $0.06 of accretion to NAV per share. We continued to repurchase shares in the first quarter with an incremental $14 million to date, which results in an additional $0.06 per share of accretion. We've nearly exhausted the existing $200 million share repurchase program. Our board approved a $100 million upsize, increasing the total program to $300 million.

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

On valuations, our total aggregate realized and unrealized net loss for the quarter was about $7 million, or $0.09 per share, primarily attributable to unrealized markdowns on select underperforming investments. Turning to credit performance, we continue to see overall stability and credit quality across the portfolio. Key credit stats continue to be stable, including portfolio company margins, leverage levels, and LTV. We expect interest coverage will continue to improve in future quarters, aided by lower base rates. The majority of our PIC is underwritten at origination, or what we would consider to be good PIC. Nonaccruals remain relatively flat as of December 31st, with five names on nonaccrual, representing only 1.2% of investments at fair value and 1.8% at amortized cost.

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Moving to the Middle Market Credit Fund, our longstanding JV, we continue to focus on maximizing both asset growth and returns. During the first quarter, we closed an upsize to the MMCF equity commitments from $175 million to $250 million for each partner. MMCF is currently achieving a 15% dividend yield, generated through over $950 million of investments with no fees at the JV. The equity upsize will enable us to continue to grow the JV and increase the impact to CGBD earnings. In addition, as Alex previewed earlier this month, we announced the formation of Structured Credit Partners, or SCP, a new JV capitalized with $600 million of equity commitments from the Carlyle and Sixth Street BDCs that will invest in broadly syndicated first lien senior secured loans.

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

The financing of these assets will be primarily through CLOs, separately managed by Carlyle and Sixth Street, subject to oversight from SCP's board of directors. Governance of SCP is shared equally between Carlyle and Sixth Street as managers, and each BDC has equal representation on the board. All key investment, financing, and capital decisions are subject to joint approval by the JV board. CGBD committed $150 million of capital to the vehicle, which, as Alex highlighted, will not charge any management or incentive fees on the underlying assets, providing a potential 400-500 basis point uplift to total returns, which have historically been within the 10%-12% range for similar underlying vehicles. The JV plans to ramp at a cadence offour CLO issuances per year to ensure vintage diversification.

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Over time, the JV is expected to manage approximately $6 billion-$7 billion of assets fee-free at SCP. We expect the JV to be accretive to return on equity for CGBD. I'll finish by touching on our financing facilities and leverage. As a reminder, in October, we raised a new five-year, $300 million unsecured bond at an attractive swap adjusted rate of SOFR plus 231. We used the proceeds in part to repay in full the higher priced legacy C SL through credit facility, and in December, redeemed the $85 million baby bond. In the aggregate, these capital structure optimizations lowered our weighted average cost of borrowing by about 10 basis points, extended the maturity profile of our capital structure with limited maturities until 2030, and reduced reliance on mark-to-market leverage.

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Our debt stack is 100% floating rate, matching our primarily floating rate assets, meaning CGBD is well positioned in advance of any additional interest rate cuts. At quarter end, statutory leverage was 1.3x. Adjusted for unsettled trades of loans to MMCF, leverage at quarter end was closer to 1.1x, in line with prior quarter. Given our current strong liquidity profile, we believe we're well positioned to benefit from the expected pickup in deal volume in future quarters. I'll turn the call back over to Alex.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Thanks, Tom. As we approach the middle of the first quarter, our portfolio remains resilient and our strategy remains unchanged. We continue to focus on sourcing transactions with significant equity cushions, conservative leverage profiles, and attractive spreads relative to market levels. Our pipeline of new originations is active, and with a stable, high-quality portfolio, CGBD stockholders are benefiting from the continued execution of our strategy. As always, we remain committed to delivering a resilient, stable cash flow stream to our investors through consistent income and solid credit performance. At the platform level, I'm excited to continue building out the Carlyle Direct Lending team and expanding our existing capabilities. I'd like to now hand the call over to the operator to take your questions. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, to ask the question, please press star one one on your telephone, then wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Erik Zwick with Lucid Capital Markets. Your line is open.

[Erik Zwick, Managing Director and Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets]

Thanks. Good morning, all. wanted to start with a question for you, Alex. One, nice to meet you virtually here. in the press release, you mentioned that, you know, fund is well positioned to take market share going forward. I'm just, you know, curious from your perspective, you know, who you'd be taking that share from, the BSL market, other private credit funds, banks, and then, you know, what is your competitive advantage relative to those that you'd be taking it from?

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Sure, absolutely. Great to meet you as well. One thing I just wanna underscore is that the investment strategy here, it's not changing. As I said, we're gonna continue to focus on investing in high-quality companies in the core and upper middle market. While my prior firm's credit platform also had a strong presence in the large cap market, that's not an area that I plan to aggressively push us into right now. As I mentioned, you know, we have a strong credit culture, team underwriters dedicated to industry verticals, deep expertise. We're gonna stick to our knitting, and we're gonna concentrate on playing a lead role in the majority of our deals.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Also, one thing that we're gonna do a lot more of, though, is to win and take share, is really just harness the power of the other parts of Carlyle, whether it's the large liquid platform we have, such as a CLO business or our Carlyle AlpInvest platform, which is truly differentiated, our Washington, D.C., presence and connectivity, or, of course, our global private equity platform, and the list goes on. We're not a pure-play direct lending shop, rather, we have a direct lending business housed within one of the most formidable alternative asset managers in the world, and we're gonna take a full advantage of that.

[Erik Zwick, Managing Director and Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets]

Thanks, I appreciate that. Just a follow-up on the positive commentary that you guys expressed about, you know, the pipeline here in 1 Q 2026, you know, seeing stronger deal flow. There's certainly some concern about, you know, a K-shaped economy and some cracks, you know, forming somewhere. From your perspective and the sectors that you lend to, can you just maybe talk about what's driving borrowing demand and contributing to the strong pipeline flow today?

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Sure. Well, another good aspect of playing in the middle market and the core and upper is that there is always a better, more consistent flow of opportunities to look at. We've all talked about the lack of DPI over the last two, three years. We're starting to see that change. If you look at Carlyle, at the platform level, you saw that last year that we returned a significant amount of capital through exits to our investors. We're starting to see that play through in the broader pipeline. What's also interesting is that, again, just given Carlyle's heritage, around industrials, aerospace and defense, healthcare, those are areas that we're starting to see some more activity as those areas are now back in vogue, if you will.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

That plus on the fact that we have a rejuvenated origination platform. You heard Justin say before, we hired a senior originator from Kalo that's been here for over a quarter. We have a couple other managing directors who come with long-standing relationships. There are others coming on board. It's not a coincidence that the fourth quarter was a record quarter for us from an origination standpoint, and therefore, from a pipeline perspective, we're starting to see a lot more there as well.

[Erik Zwick, Managing Director and Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets]

Thanks. Last one for me. Just curious if you could talk a little bit about the rationale for the SCP JV. You know, why now? Is this, you know, potentially reflective of your view that, you know, spreads may remain tighter for a while in the middle market, and therefore, you can kind of, you know, take advantage of the non-qualifying assets availability to get some additional yield using this structure? Just kind of curious of, you know, how you describe the kind of the time and rationale for that new venture.

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Hey, Erik, morning. It's Tom Hennigan. If you go back to last year when we had our two JVs, we collapsed the one JV on the balance sheet. We've been looking to grow the existing JV with PSP, we're looking to maximize and fully utilize the non-qualifying asset buckets. We've really been, over the last year, looking, "Hey, what's the next big venture for us?" This is something we've been working on for a while. Alex's point, it's leveraging the broader Carlyle network and the strength of our growing syndicated team, and at the same time, producing very strong expected returns based on the no-fee structure. It's again, leveraging the broader Carlyle network and in what we think is a very attractive overall structure.

[Erik Zwick, Managing Director and Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets]

Got it. Thanks, Tom. That's all for me. Thanks for taking my questions today.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Brian McKenna with Citizens. Your line is open.

[Brian McKenna, Managing Director and Equity Research at Citizens]

Okay, great. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Alex, great to meet you, and congrats on the new role, and also same to you, Tom. Maybe starting with you, Alex, taking a step back here with a new set of eyes, looking at the broader Carlyle Direct Lending platform, what are some of the near-term opportunities across the business, and what are your top priorities really for CGBD and the related direct lending strategies over the next year or so?

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Sure. Look, as I mentioned, my plan is not to make large wholesale changes to the strategy. The Carlyle Direct Lending platform has actually been here for quite some time. Although I am relatively new here, Tom, who is sitting here next to me, has been on the platform for nearly 15 years, and our Chief Underwriting Officer, Michael Hadley, he's been here for, you know, like, 20 years. There's deep underlying expertise across the core verticals where we play. What we're gonna do, again, with our rejuvenated origination strategy, is just really start to take more share, see more flow.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

One thing that I think that the leadership of Carlyle has done a great job of over the last handful of years is really start to just break down the silos so that they're harnessing the full power of all the different aspects of what Carlyle has to offer. Again, I don't want to underplay just the Washington, D.C., roots that we have. I think that really no one has a better handle on policy-driven cash flows than we do. I think there's a lot of opportunity here for us to just take more share while we just stick to our core knitting.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

As I mentioned in my earlier comments, although, again, at my prior shop, we had a formidable presence in the large cap space, that's not an area that we plan to push into right now.

[Brian McKenna, Managing Director and Equity Research at Citizens]

Okay, great. That's helpful. Then just a little bit bigger picture, you know, clearly volatility has picked up across, you know, a number of different segments within the market. It seems like capital liquidity is coming in a bit, just across the capital markets. I'm curious what you're seeing on new deals today that are coming together. Has, you know, have spreads started to move out a little bit? Like, I'm just curious, you know, what you're seeing real time on that front.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

It's a great question. In terms of spreads, we are starting to see an opportunity where we're going to see a bit of spread widening. It's not gonna happen in a significant manner, but in some of the deals that we're looking at right now, the proposed spreads that are coming in reflect what we were seeing perhaps two to three months ago. I think, just given the volatility that you just referenced, it's an opportunity to start getting some spread back, especially in the middle market. Yet another reason as to why we're not actively pursuing a strategy back into the large cap piece of the landscape. Look, I think software is an area that a lot of people have spoken about.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

I think, in terms of the flow of software opportunities, I think you're gonna see a bit of a pause there. Not so much because we just think that software is bad or anyone is getting out of the market. It's just because many of the software deals that were acquired, they were acquired at very, very high robust multiples, two, three, four years ago. I think just given the fact that people are still trying to figure out what AI means for a lot of these companies, I think the value expectations versus what buyers want to pay for, you're going to see some enterprise value gaps here.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

I think we're gonna need some time, in order to, just for people to really assess what's happening in that landscape, before you start to see more deal flow. I think that people are gonna start to focus their areas more on more core parts of the economy, and those are areas where you see a significant amount of portfolio companies that yet to be monetized. I think that's where we're gonna start to see more of the flow. I think on spreads, to your question, I think for the time being, we're not going to see any more compression, which is good. If anything, we're starting to see some opportunities for us to get some spread back.

[Brian McKenna, Managing Director and Equity Research at Citizens]

Got it. Okay, that's helpful. Just one more for me, if I may. You know, two months into the 1st quarter here, I mean, just any incremental color or detail you can share with quarter-to-date trends, just as it relates to new originations, markups, markdowns, and even just credit quality more broadly?

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Brian, I think that on the portfolio continue to have overall strong performance. We're still in the process of getting fourth quarter results. Obviously, you're not gonna see anything in those fourth quarter results. One thing we have done is just based on certainly we're seeing in the broader syndicated market, some volatility in trading prices. While that does not directly translate by any means to our private credit valuations, we and our third-party valuation providers are taking a look broadly at the portfolio, specifically at the technology and software deals in the portfolio. I think you broadly are gonna see a modest markdown on software names just based on market volatility and uncertainty, but relatively modest, certainly relative to some of the volatility in the broader syndicated market.

[Brian McKenna, Managing Director and Equity Research at Citizens]

All right, I'll leave it there. Thank you so much.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder to ask the question, please press star one one on your telephone. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Rick Shane with J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.

[Rick Shane, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at JPMorgan]

Hey, everybody. Thanks for taking my questions this morning, and congratulations on all your new roles. Look, one of the themes that has emerged, listening to all of the BDC calls or many of the BDC calls, is the potential relief from the asset sensitivity of your borrowers' balance sheets. I am curious, when we think about this, and again, remember, we come at this from the perspective of also covering many of the commercial mortgage rates where interest expense is a huge part of owning commercial real estate. I am curious, when you think about the businesses that you're lending to and their revenue and cost structures, how significant is interest expense in their overall expense load?

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Yeah, Rick, it's something that, you know, obviously, when we look at our credit metrics, Interest Coverage Ratio is getting better. It's marginal, you know, base rates down 75 basis points, expected additional rate cuts. On the margin, it's gonna be helpful, but just like we ran the sensitivities where rates were going up, even if we said, okay, rates were at 5%, 6%, they had to gap up materially before we were concerned about liquidity at particular levels. Our sensitivities, they had to go up another 300 basis points. Certainly on the margin, it helps. Is it a material benefit where we think it's gonna be a material difference? No, it's certainly gonna help on the margin. But, you know, based on certainly where the current base rates are expected, based on where the current curve is.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

The other comment that I'd make is on new originations that we're looking at right now. It's not only just interest coverages that we're looking at, we're also looking at fixed charge coverage ratios. The fixed charge coverage ratios that are now coming out, that we're underwriting to, there's a lot more cushion than what we saw before. We would typically look at a 1.1x fixed charge coverage ratio, and then we'd sensitize that, of course, for different industry curves.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Now, out of the box, we're starting to see much more cushion, call it one and a quarter, even higher, going towards one and a half, which is really nice to see because I think that, the borrowers are starting to take a bit more of a conservative approach with respect to how much leverage that they want to put on these companies when they buy them.

[Rick Shane, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at JPMorgan]

Got it. Okay, thank you. You know, the question that I've sort of asked a couple of companies through earnings, you know, look, you guys are in the position, you are able to do more than one thing at a time, but you are experiencing significant repayments, stocks trading at a significant discount to NAV. You have a history of repurchasing shares. Is the best incremental dollar the next investment given dynamics in the market, or is the best investment repurchasing stock?

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Rick, we think it's a, it's a balanced approach. As you see, what we've done in the last 90 days is we started buying back shares last quarter. We've continued into this quarter. Again, it was $14 million in the fourth quarter, another $14 million quarter to date in the first quarter. That represents 3% of our total shares. It's about $0.06 per share accretion in each quarter, so $0.12 in total. That's $186 million since inception. We've been supportive going back a number of years with buying back shares, and our board increased the $200 million threshold up to $300 million at our recent board meeting. We certainly anticipate, based on where the stock is trading, it's certainly accretive for investors to continue considering buybacks.

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

At the same time, when you look at primarily our two JVs, where we are, we're, you know, within our target leverage range. Net-net, if we're adding investments to our JVs, that's very accretive for the fund. On the margin, we're not adding. If we're adding 475 or 450 spread deals, it's to our current JV, where we're able to generate a 15% plus return from that fund. Certainly, we anticipate over the course of the next two years, investing and growing our 2nd JV, well, now our 3rd JV, but our Structured Credit Partners JV. We think those are very accretive dollars in terms of where we're putting our new investment dollars on a net basis.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

It's a balance.

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Sure.

[Operator]

Thank you.

[Rick Shane, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at JPMorgan]

Sorry, I think I interrupted.

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

No, go ahead.

[Rick Shane, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at JPMorgan]

No, that's it. I just wanted to say thank you. I appreciate the clarity on that. It helps us think about the talent you may be painting off of over the next 12 months.

[Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Great. Thanks for the question.

[Operator]

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm showing no further questions in the queue. I would now like to turn the call back over to Alex for closing remarks.

[Alex Chi, CEO at Carlyle Secured Lending]

Great. Well, thank you very much. Very excited to be here, and look forward to coming back in subsequent quarters.

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Alex Chi, CEO
• Justin Plouffe, Former Chief Executive Officer
• Nishil Mehta, Managing Director and Head of Structured Credit
• Thomas Hennigan, President and Chief Financial Officer

Analysts

• Brian McKenna, Managing Director and Equity Research at Citizens
• Erik Zwick, Managing Director and Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets
• Rick Shane, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at JPMorgan