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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Brighthouse Financial EPS ResultsActual EPS$5.88Consensus EPS $4.56Beat/MissBeat by +$1.32One Year Ago EPSN/ABrighthouse Financial Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$2.13 billionExpected Revenue$2.24 billionBeat/MissMissed by -$106.33 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ABrighthouse Financial Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date2/11/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, February 12, 2025Conference Call Time8:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsBrighthouse Financial's Q2 2026 earnings is estimated for Thursday, May 14, 2026, based on past reporting schedulesConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Brighthouse Financial Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 12, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Combined RBC ratio reached approximately 400% at year-end 2024 after a $100 million capital injection, while holding company liquidity stood at $1.1 billion (pro forma $1.0 billion), keeping the company within its 400–450% target range. Delivered record annuity sales of $10 billion in 2024, including $7.7 billion of Shield level annuities (+12% YoY), and achieved life insurance sales of $120 million (+18% YoY), while launching BlackRock’s LifePath Paycheck with $16 billion AUM. Demonstrated strong expense discipline with full-year corporate expenses down over 7% versus 2023, supporting margin expansion and operational efficiency. Advanced capital-focused initiatives by fully transitioning to standalone hedging for Shield new business and executing reinsurance deals on legacy annuity and life blocks to simplify risk management and improve capital efficiency. Statutory earnings experienced volatility in Q4, with total adjusted capital declining by $300 million due to adverse interest rate moves and a $200 million reserve increase, despite adjusted earnings excluding notable items of $352 million beating run-rate expectations. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallBrighthouse Financial Q4 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Brighthouse Financial's Q4 and Full Year 2024 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Michelle, and I will be your coordinator today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will facilitate a question-and-answer session towards the end of the conference call. In fairness to all participants, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the presentation over to Dana Amante, Head of Investor Relations. Ms. Amante, you may proceed. Dana AmanteHead of Investor Relations at Brighthouse Financial00:00:35Thank you, and good morning. Welcome to Brighthouse Financial's Q4 and Full Year 2024 Earnings Call. Materials for today's call were released last night and can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. We encourage you to review all of these materials. Today, you will hear from Eric Steigerwalt, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Ed Spehar, our Chief Financial Officer. Dana AmanteHead of Investor Relations at Brighthouse Financial00:00:58Following our prepared remarks, we will open the call up for a question-and-answer period. Also here with us today to participate in the discussions are Myles Lambert, our Chief Distribution and Marketing Officer, David Rosenbaum, Head of Product and Underwriting, and John Rosenthal, our Chief Investment Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to note that our discussion during this call may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Dana AmanteHead of Investor Relations at Brighthouse Financial00:01:25Brighthouse Financial's actual results may differ materially from the results anticipated in the forward-looking statements as a result of risks and uncertainties described from time to time in Brighthouse Financial's filings with the SEC. Information discussed on today's call speaks only as of today, February 12, 2025. The company undertakes no obligation to update any information discussed on today's call. During this call, we will be discussing certain financial measures that are not based on generally accepted accounting principles, also known as non-GAAP measures. Dana AmanteHead of Investor Relations at Brighthouse Financial00:01:59Reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures on a historical basis to the most directly comparable GAAP measures and related definitions may be found in our earnings release, slide presentation, and financial supplement. And finally, references to statutory results, including certain statutory-based measures used by management, are preliminary due to the timing of the filing of the statutory statements. And now I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Eric Steigerwalt. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:02:28Thank you, Dana. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining the call today. 2024 was a year of successes and also some challenges for Brighthouse Financial. While we made significant strides in our growth strategy last year, our statutory results, as we have discussed over the past few quarters, have been disappointing. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:02:48However, as we have said before, we have been actively engaged in and continue to make progress on several strategic initiatives designed to improve capital efficiency, unlock capital, and remain within our target combined risk-based capital, or RBC ratio, range in normal market conditions. And I am very pleased with the progress that we have made on those initiatives, and I'll touch on that in a minute. First, I'd like to take a moment to highlight some of our accomplishments in 2024, including the significant strides we made in our growth strategy. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:03:28This is demonstrated by our consistent growth in sales of our flagship Shield product suite and fixed indexed annuity product, our entrance into the worksite channel with the launch of BlackRock's LifePath Paycheck, our continued steady growth in our life insurance product sales, and our launch of the newest iteration of our Shield product, as well as enhancements to our SmartCare product suite. Regarding annuity sales, we reported $10 billion of total annuity sales in 2024. In addition, we delivered record sales of our flagship Shield Level Annuities product suite of $7.7 billion, which is an increase of 12% compared with 2023. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:04:21As a reminder, our Shield products are what are known as Registered Index-Linked Annuities, or RILAs, and we remain proud to be a leader in the RILA marketplace. In 2024, we also announced updates to our Shield product suite designed to help our Shield suite remain competitive, adapt to changes in the industry, and reflect our ongoing focus on meeting clients' evolving needs. I'm also pleased with the accomplishments we achieved last year in our life insurance business. We delivered steady growth of $120 million of life insurance sales for the full year, which is an 18% increase over 2023. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:05:05We also launched new enhancements to our flagship life insurance product, SmartCare. Also, last year, we joined BlackRock in announcing the availability of BlackRock's LifePath Paycheck, or LPP, solution in defined contribution plans, and we received our first deposits from LPP, all of which is extremely exciting. Last month, BlackRock announced that LPP is now live in six employer retirement plans totaling $16 billion in assets under management, which we're also very excited about. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:05:44We remain thrilled to work with BlackRock on this innovative retirement solution and expect our involvement with LPP to enable us to reach new customers through the worksite channel. As we've said in the past, expense discipline is extremely important. Therefore, I'm pleased that our full-year corporate expenses were down over 7% compared with last year. Our accomplishments in 2024 reflect an ongoing commitment to and execution of our focus strategy, which I've spoken about before. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:06:19As you've heard us discuss in 2024, the tremendous success we have had in growing our Shield annuity block of business over the past several years, with our Shield block now making up approximately 30% of our total annuity account value, has created increased complexity associated with managing our variable annuity, or VA, and Shield business on a combined basis. This resulted in a strain in our statutory results last year or in 2024. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:06:51However, as you have heard us talk about in recent months, we continue to execute our capital-focused strategic initiatives, and we've made significant progress against those initiatives. For instance, as we said in our Q3 earnings conference call, we have made substantial progress on simplifying our VA and Shield hedging strategy. As of the end of the year, we have fully transitioned to hedging all Shield annuity new business on a standalone basis, and we continue to work on revising our hedging strategy for our in-force VA and Shield book, which is now managed as, you know, I think of it as a closed block of business. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:07:33As a reminder, despite the refinements to our hedging program, the overall focus of our financial and risk management strategy remains the same, which is to protect our statutory balance sheet under adverse market scenarios. Our strategic initiatives also include reinsurance opportunities. As we announced on our Q3 earnings call, effective as of September 30, 2024, we completed a reinsurance transaction with a third party to reinsure a legacy block of our fixed and payout annuities. That transaction helped to create capital efficiencies and reduced our required capital. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:08:18It helped to bring our estimated combined RBC ratio back to within our target range of 400%-450% in normal market conditions as of September 30. I'm also pleased to announce that in the Q4, we entered into another reinsurance agreement with a third party to reinsure a legacy block of universal life and variable universal life products residing within our life insurance segment. This reinsurance agreement resulted in additional capital benefit in the Q4. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:08:54As I mentioned a moment ago, the focus of our financial and risk management strategy remains the same, which is to protect our statutory balance sheet under adverse market scenarios. This is especially important to support our distribution franchise, including our distribution partners and the customers that they serve. As of December 31, 2024, our estimated combined RBC ratio was approximately 400% at the low end of our target range of 400%-450% in normal markets. This reflects a $100 million capital contribution made to Brighthouse Life Insurance Company, or BLIC, from the holding company. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:09:41Ed will provide more detail on our statutory results in a moment. Liquid assets at the holding company were $1.1 billion as of December 31, 2024. Pro forma for the contribution to BLIC liquid assets at the holding company continued to be a robust $1 billion. Additionally, in 2024, we returned capital to our shareholders through the repurchase of $250 million of common stock, which included $60 million of common stock repurchased in the Q4. As of year-end 2024, we have reduced the number of shares outstanding by over 50% since we began our common stock repurchase program in August of 2018. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:10:32And year-to-date, through February 7, we repurchased an additional $25 million of our common stock. As we look toward 2025, we remain committed to further executing on our business strategy, and we continue to focus on delivering on our capital-focused strategic initiatives to improve capital efficiency, unlock capital, and remain within our combined RBC ratio target range. To wrap up, I am proud of all that we accomplished in 2024 despite certain challenges that we faced. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:11:10We maintained our robust liquidity position, and our corporate expenses were down 7% versus 2023, as we also maintained our focus on expense discipline. We delivered record sales of our Shield Level Annuities product suite, and we received our first deposits with the launch of BlackRock's LifePath Paycheck product. We ended the year with an estimated combined RBC ratio of approximately 400% and continue to make progress against our capital-focused strategic initiatives. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ed to discuss the financial results. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:11:51Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. As Eric mentioned, we contributed $100 million to BLIC, effective for year-end statutory financial statements, to bring our estimated combined RBC ratio to approximately 400%, or the low end of our target range in normal market conditions. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:12:19Given that it is year-end, which is the only time our subsidiaries officially report an RBC figure, we felt it was appropriate to be in our range. Our combined total adjusted capital, or TAC, was approximately $5.4 billion at December 31, which also reflects the capital contribution. Without the contribution, we estimate that our combined RBC ratio would have been in the mid-390s. I would like to make a few comments on the decision to contribute capital to BLIC. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:12:55First, we have repeatedly stated that we believe our franchise value is driven by distribution and that we are committed to our distribution partners and the customers that they serve. Given the importance of both distribution and the financial strength of our operating companies, we determined it was prudent to make a relatively modest contribution from the holding company to our largest operating subsidiary. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:13:23Second, we have consistently highlighted the importance of maintaining a conservative position at the holding company, both in terms of cash and capital structure. It is critical to have flexibility to deal with the uncertainty that is inherent in the financial services industry, and our results last year illustrate this fact. After the contribution, we still have approximately $1 billion of cash and liquid assets at the holding company. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:13:51Finally, while we do not typically provide a forward look on RBC, we're making an exception in this instance given this is the first time we've contributed cash from the holding company to an operating subsidiary since our early days as a public company. Our financial plan currently anticipates that our combined RBC ratio will be relatively stable over the next few years without additional support from the holding company. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:14:24As Eric discussed, we made significant progress in 2024 on our capital-focused strategic initiatives designed to improve capital efficiency, unlock capital, and return our combined RBC ratio to our target range in normal market conditions. Keep in mind that while our statutory results benefited from the reinsurance agreement entered in the Q4, as well as us hedging Shield new business on a standalone basis, our VA and Shield business is not immune to large quarterly market moves. Specifically, in the Q4, interest rates were up approximately 80 basis points, as measured by the 10-year U.S. Treasury, and there was a significant steepening in the yield curve. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:15:13The combined impact of the significant changes in interest rates and the yield curve shape resulted in a negative impact on our annuity statutory results, which contributed to the $300 million decline in TAC in the quarter. As I have discussed in the past, there is an element of timing for market impacts. In this case, there was a current period cost from the movement in rates, however, we would expect to see the benefit from higher interest rates over time. Additionally, there was a net $200 million increase in asset adequacy testing reserves, which contributed to the decline in TAC driven by legacy fixed annuity blocks. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:16:03At December 31st, holding company liquid assets were approximately $1.1 billion. Pro forma for the capital contribution, holding company liquid assets are approximately $1 billion. Now, turning to adjusted earnings results in the Q4, adjusted earnings for the quarter of $304 million reflect a $48 million unfavorable notable item, or 80 cents per share, related to actuarial model updates. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:16:40Adjusted earnings, excluding the impact from the notable item, were $352 million, which compares with adjusted earnings on the same basis of $243 million in the Q3 of 2024 and $189 million in the Q4 of 2023. Excluding the impact of the notable item, the adjusted earnings results in the Q4 were approximately $70 million, or $1.17 per share, above our average quarterly run rate expectation. Our underwriting margin was approximately $40 million higher than our average quarterly expectation, driven by lower claim volume net of reinsurance in both our life and Run-off segments. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:17:33There was also a benefit of approximately $30 million versus our average quarterly run rate expectation from non-trendable items, equally split among investments, tax, and corporate expenses. Alternative investment income was at the upper end of our long-term expectation of a 9%-11% annual return, yielding approximately 2.6% in the Q4. This contributed to higher net investment income compared with the Q3. Shifting to results by segment, the Annuity segment reported adjusted earnings less notable items of $327 million. Sequentially, annuity results were driven by higher net investment income, partially offset by a lower underwriting margin. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:18:26The Life segment reported adjusted earnings of $52 million and were higher sequentially, which was driven by higher net investment income and a higher underwriting margin. This was partially offset by higher expenses. The Run-off segment had an adjusted loss of $27 million. Sequentially, results reflected higher net investment income and a higher underwriting margin. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:18:58The Corporate and Other segment reported zero adjusted earnings, which reflected a lower tax benefit in the quarter, partially offset by lower expenses sequentially. In closing, we are pleased with our progress on strategic initiatives and believe we have illustrated our commitment to maintaining a strong statutory balance sheet. Finally, we continue to have substantial cash at the holding company. We will now turn the call over to the operator to begin the question and answer session. Operator00:19:31Thank you. To ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. One moment while we compile our Q&A roster. Our first question is going to come from the line of Wes Carmichael with Autonomous Research. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Wes CarmichaelAnalyst at Autonomous Research00:19:52Hey, thank you. Good morning. Ed, I was hoping you could touch a little bit on the drivers of RBC in the quarter. I think it declined if you exclude the capital contribution and reinsurance, but maybe you could just touch on. I know you quantified the capital contribution, but reinsurance transaction as well. That'd be great. Thank you. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:20:09Yeah. Good morning, Wes. This is going to be a long answer, but hopefully it'll help you with understanding the quarter. There was a lot going on this quarter. We had the benefit from our strategic initiatives, including the reinsurance that you mentioned, the standalone hedging for Shield new business, as well as some of the market factors, and then finally the year-end asset adequacy testing. So let me start with the strategic initiatives. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:20:48If you look at our supplement, you'll see we show some normalizing adjustments NormStat, and it's a positive number in the Q4, and that's despite the fact that it includes this AAT impact, so if you're looking at roughly at around when you do the math, it shows to $300 million. The actual impact from these positive items is north of $400 million. Okay, and so the benefits that we realized from these strategic initiatives would really be captured in that bucket, and there's really two things. First of all, you heard us talk about hedging Shield new business on a standalone basis beginning in July. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:21:37The real benefit that you get from that is when you build it into your statutory modeling. And so in the Q4, we implemented the statutory modeling adjustments associated with hedging Shield new business on a standalone basis, as well as our Shield Level Pay Plus product, which is both the new version as well as the old version. The reason this is important is because when you build it into your financial statements, you are required to take into account the future hedges that will be associated with the standalone hedging approach into your liability cash flows. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:22:26And so we saw a significant benefit from that impact in the Q4. The second strategic initiative that was positive was the reinsurance deal. So we did a legacy block of UL, VUL life reinsurance deal, and that benefited us overall to RBC about 10-15 points. So that's in that number as well. So that's the real positive here from the strategic initiatives, which, as I said, was significant and north of $400 million. Turning NormStat, we had a $200 NormStat loss in the quarter, approximately. In the quarter, I mentioned the interest rate impact in my prepared remarks. NormStat, there was about roughly a $350 million negative from rates. And so let me explain. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:23:24Obviously, fundamentally, higher interest rates are positive for a VA block. They're positive because you have a lower present value of future claims, you have lower future claims, and that's partially offset by lower bond fund values. So that's the fundamental impact of higher interest rates for VA. Now, let's talk about the statutory impact, both near and long term. In the near term, immediately, with long rates up and the yield curve steepening, you lose on your derivatives that hedge the rate risk, and you don't get the full benefit you would expect to see from the rate move because the yield curve did not move in a parallel fashion. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:24:12And the way the statutory framework works is it's very dependent on the one-year and the 20-year. And so the fact that the long rates went up had more of an impact on your hedge assets, and the fact that the yield curve did not move in parallel fashion did not have as much of a positive impact on your liabilities as you would expect to see. Now, over time, the benefit you will realize is clearly the most obvious benefit is in the mean reversion point adjustment in the statutory framework for the 20-year Treasury. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:24:51Just to illustrate, at the end of September in our three-year financial plan, we thought we would have two MRP increases over the three-year period. Now, based on year-end actuals, we would expect to see three increases in the MRP. There is a timing issue associated with rates. The final piece I want to talk about is the asset adequacy testing reserve, and that was approximately a $200 million increase. This is related to a legacy block of fixed annuities. It's approximately $8 billion of reserves. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:25:28This is an old block of business without material surrender charge protection, and so what we saw this year in our testing was in high-rate scenarios, you would see a material increase in lapses on this block, which could cause to sell bonds at a loss to fund the outflows. So you know you're looking at a variety of conservative scenarios when you look at cash flow testing. This year, we saw that the up-rate scenario was going to cause some shortfall, and that's why we set up the $200 million. So I know that's a lot, but hopefully you can put those pieces together, and I think you can get a pretty good understanding of what drove the results in the quarter. Wes CarmichaelAnalyst at Autonomous Research00:26:24No, appreciate it. And I guess my follow-up is just on hedging. I know Shield is fully transitioned. Can you just comment on where you are with the legacy VA portfolio and maybe just any update on timing of long-term free cash flow projections would be helpful? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:26:43Sure. So we continue to focus on what our strategy will be for this legacy block of VA and Shield, the old Shield. There's a lot of work that's still underway. This is a very important initiative for us. I want to remind everyone, though, that our underlying approach to managing this risk has not changed, which is we have a maximum loss tolerance of up to $500 million, and we are on a statutory basis, and we are focused relative to CTE98, and we are focused on managing that risk so that there is no issue for market movements and interest rate movements. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:27:36So there's no change in managing the risk itself, but we are looking at what is the appropriate strategy going forward for that back book now that we are hedging all our new business on a standalone basis. The long-term statutory free cash flow projections, I think I had a question. I know I had a question last quarter about timing and related to our work on the hedging change. We need to complete the work on what we do with this back book before we would complete those free cash flow projections. We said last quarter that we were targeting mid-year. I said that that is going to be dependent on the progress we make on this key strategic initiative. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:28:26I think I would just say we're going to have to wait and see what the timing is. If I had to guess, I would say it's probably going to slip from what I said last quarter, but it's much more important for us to get this back book hedging strategy factored into those projections than it is to rush getting those projections out. Wes CarmichaelAnalyst at Autonomous Research00:28:48Got it. Thank you. Operator00:28:53Thank you. One moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Suneet Kamath with Jefferies. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Suneet KamathResearch Analyst at Jefferies00:29:04Thanks. Good morning. First question, just on the stable RBC. Should we think stable, meaning at 400% or somewhere in that range that you target? And then does that outlook contemplate any subsidiary dividends out of BLIC? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:29:20Good morning, Suneet. So I think we're not going to get any more specific than stable. I mean, you could interpret stable in a variety of ways, but I would say that if it's approximately 400% at year-end and we are targeting to be in our range in normal markets, if you assume normal markets, that should give you some indication of what stable means, and in terms of dividends, our financial plan does contemplate taking money from operating companies after this year. Suneet KamathResearch Analyst at Jefferies00:30:04Got it. Then I guess the second question is a higher-level question for Eric. I get the strategy and all that, but just thinking about the setup here, I mean, does it make sense for this company to be public on a standalone basis? The reason I ask is Ed just spent 10 minutes talking about the quarterly change in RBC with all of the moving pieces, and it's a level of complexity and confusion, I think, that we just are not seeing from other companies, I think, because they are more diversified and have other businesses other than just primarily annuities. So how do you think about the complexity of what you have versus perhaps not being public on a go-forward basis? Thanks. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:30:53You got it, Suneet. You broke up a touch there, but I think I got it all. Look, we've been dealing with complexity for seven and a half years now. There have been a number of periods where that complexity has been far less. Recently, as we've discussed and whether it's part of Ed's answer here or answers we've given in the past, when we ended up with as much Shield on the books as we were hoping for to sort of balance the old VA book, that created an interesting situation for us, and I would agree that that situation not only sounds complex, but is complex, and so what we've done is broken it apart into essentially two pieces. I'm overly simplifying here. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:31:49One, for all Shield new business to be hedged on a standalone basis. And then, two, as Ed's previous answer sort of illuminated, figuring out how we're going to hedge what I called previously kind of a closed block of VA and older Shield. So when we think about what we've got to do to manage this complexity, some years it's been far more simple. This last year, 2024, I agree, it was complicated. And so whether it's running the company as efficiently as we can on sort of a BAU basis, right? Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:32:32Everything that we do on a normal basis to run this company. And then adding in these strategic initiatives, whether it's things like reinsurance, other initiatives that we're thinking about, we're always trying to think of new initiatives, or the fairly large initiative associated with the hedging program, we are a public company, and we're running this company every day to, over time, create long-term shareholder value. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:33:04Even as you think about it, we're roughly at year seven and a half. We've repurchased $2.5 billion of stock, and that adds up to more than 50% of the original shares outstanding. So all I can tell you is we're going to continue to run the company as we have, and when you do hit periods of complexity, you just power through it, which is exactly what you've seen us do over the last couple of quarters, including the Q4, and that won't stop as we go through 2025. Suneet KamathResearch Analyst at Jefferies00:33:40Okay. Thanks for the answer. Operator00:33:44Thank you and one moment as we move on to our next question, and our next question is going to come from the line of Wilma Burdis with Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Wilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management and Life Insurance at Raymond James00:33:56Hey, good morning. I know you talked about 4Q, but could you just give us a broad sense of what's been leading to normalized net losses in, I guess, several of the most recent quarters? Is it RILA under higher equity markets? Is it hedging on traditional VAs? Maybe just give us a broad sense, please. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:34:23Sure. Good morning. One of the things we've talked about, along with just the normal volatility that you can have associated with market moves, which we've had a variety of things that we've talked about in prior quarters, which I'm sure we could follow up with you to just remind you of what we have said in each of those quarters on the market moves. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:34:45But the other thing we've talked about is the strain from new business and the fact that what drove our decision to change our approach for hedging new business is once we achieve this balance in our risk profile between VA and Shield, that we were no longer seeing the same benefit that we used to see from the way we managed, and so that we needed to change, so there was some additional strain impact that you saw in 2024 beyond what we would anticipate going forward, and really anticipate going forward for a couple of reasons. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:35:28Number one, because of the approach we're taking to managing the business from a hedging standpoint, and number two, you've heard us talk about exploring sort of flow reinsurance deal for Shield new business, which would also help alleviate capital strain, and we continue on that path. We have multiple interested parties in a deal of that nature. And so that's something in terms of another initiative that we have in the works for this year. I'd make sure and remind everyone of that one because it continues to be an important one. Wilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management and Life Insurance at Raymond James00:36:05Okay. Thank you. And then, is there other opportunities to, for instance, increase the portfolio? And if so, can you talk about how much capital that would require? And along the same lines, you guys did a good job on the expense management this year. Is there more that can be cut to, I guess, just help improve organic cash flow generation? Thanks. John RosenthalEVP and CIO at Brighthouse Financial00:36:29Hi, Wilma, it's John. Yeah, there probably are some opportunities to increase yield. I think at a high level, our portfolio allocation has remained roughly stable during the year. We still have more of a risk-off approach, excuse me. We invest across the board in all fixed income asset classes. Spreads are tight, so we don't see any compelling reason to pile into any one sector, but we are positioned to take advantage of widening spreads and dislocations should they present themselves. Eric, do you want to follow up on this? Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:37:15Yeah, I'll take the second half, Wilma. Yeah, we had a good year with respect to expenses in 2024. Expenses down 7% year-over-year. As I've said over the years, actually, my real focus is on the expense ratio, right? So keeping that expense ratio down has been a focus, frankly, since day one, and that was a long time ago. We're not afraid, though, to invest in growth, so I would just sort of say, Wilma, as you think about 2025, certainly there are inflationary effects out there, and they will affect all companies, including ours. But my real focus is to grow revenues sort of faster than our expense margins, and I expect that to continue in 2025. So the expense discipline is alive and well. Wilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management and Life Insurance at Raymond James00:38:12Thank you. Operator00:38:16Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Jimmy Bhullar with JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Jimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:38:28Hey, good morning. So Ed, just to the question, or maybe Eric, on just your intention on where you'd like to run the company in terms of RBC ratio and where is it that you, as long as you're above 400%, should we assume that you'd be taking sort of additional actions like reinsurance or anything else to get it even higher and give you a little bit of cushion, or are you comfortable running it at 400%? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:38:58Good morning, Jimmy. So the first thing I'd say is we're comfortable running at 400%. In normal market conditions, we say our range of 400%-450%. And I think over time, as your mix shifts, you can argue for the range coming down. I'm not saying near term, but over time, that would make sense given the changing risk profile of the company. The second thing is we're always looking for opportunities to unlock capital. So that is not. That's nothing different than what we've tried to do over the years in a variety of different ways. And so that's just been a consistent effort on our part, and it will continue to be. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:39:52These different strategic initiatives that we have in place, the approach we're going to take with the back book of VA and Shield, any additional reinsurance that we might put in place, we think that that is going to improve capital efficiency, potentially unlock capital, and that's why we continue to be focused on those initiatives. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:40:21Hey, Jimmy, it's Eric. I'll just add a little bit because I think it's a good question. Remember, you know this very well. You've got the interplay between what's your capital level at your insurance subsidiaries, especially BLIC, and then what you got the holding company. Of course, we still got a billion dollars up at the holding company. Ed and I have talked about that for years. We always felt that was prudent, and we still think it's prudent, obviously. Yeah, we can run at 400%. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:40:54You've got the liquidity of the holding company, and, you know, we've never pushed money down, but we just thought, as you heard Ed say, I don't know, maybe 20 minutes ago, that it just made a lot of sense to get the RBC ratio at the end of the year within the range. It's really helpful for distributors, and I like helping our distributors. So even after we did that, we still got a billion dollars up at the holding company, and as you heard Ed say, we do, in our three-year plan, expect to have dividends up to the holding company. So yes, we are comfortable. Jimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:41:36Okay. And just on the dividend point, are you expecting dividends every year, or was that more of a cumulative comment? Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:41:48That is more of a cumulative comment. I think, as we've done in the past, we prefer to talk about any forward-looking metrics on a multi-year basis rather than any single period. Jimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:41:59Okay. And then on fixed annuity sales, they were down this quarter a decent amount. So is that because of competition or something from distribution or just a desire to sort of preserve capital? Can you talk about what drove the decline there? Myles LambertEVP and Chief Distribution and Marketing Officer at Brighthouse Financial00:42:16Hey, good morning, Jimmy. It's Myles speaking. So FRA sales were down for the year as expected. As a reminder, mid-year, we had a transition into a new reinsurance partner. Our FIA sales were up for the year driven by our successful launch of our SecureKey product. On a combined basis, we exceeded our expectations for fixed sales, but we continue to balance growth, pricing discipline, and managing capital, and we're happy with our overall results. Jimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:42:50Thank you. Operator00:42:54Thank you, and one moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of John Barnidge with Piper Sandler. Your line is open. Please go ahead. John BarnidgeManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:43:12Good morning. Thanks for the opportunity. My question's on the investment management of the portfolio. How much expense is there associated with the outsourcing of that? John RosenthalEVP and CIO at Brighthouse Financial00:43:21Hey, John, it's John. We don't really provide that. We provide an overall investment expense number you can see in our financials, and you can assume that IMA-type fees are the majority of that. John BarnidgeManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:43:37Thank you for that. My follow-up question: how much outsourcing is concentrated in the most hands as a percent basis? I'm not looking for who. John RosenthalEVP and CIO at Brighthouse Financial00:43:51In which hand? John BarnidgeManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:43:52You outsource it to third parties. Is there any? John RosenthalEVP and CIO at Brighthouse Financial00:43:56Yes. John BarnidgeManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:43:57Is there any one party that has a demonstrable amount, and how much is that amount? John RosenthalEVP and CIO at Brighthouse Financial00:44:01We have a dozen or so outside managers who we believe are world-class in the capabilities we use them for across various sectors. I don't think we want to get into who manages how much money for us. John BarnidgeManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:44:20Thank you. Operator00:44:22Thank you, and one moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Krueger with KBW. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:44:33Thanks. Good morning. I guess a question on reinsurance. So you've done a couple of in-force deals. I guess when you look forward, are you still looking to do more things like that? And I guess would you broaden the scope to also perhaps include some of the liabilities, the SUL liabilities in BRCD as well? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:44:55Hey, good morning, Ryan. So in my response to Jimmy's question, I said we're always looking for ways to do what's right from a capital standpoint. And if it makes sense for us to do additional transactions, we will do that. And we will look at everything to consider whether or not it makes sense to do that. So to this point, we've done some legacy blocks. We did the annuity block that we talked about in the Q3. We did the life deal that we talked about this quarter, which was UL and VUL. So we will look. I think we've gone in the direction so far of things that were more straightforward. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:45:54And I would say I wouldn't say easy to do because there was a ton of work that went into doing all this, but relatively easy. I think as you start to talk about some of these other businesses or legacy businesses that you mentioned, there would be more complexity. It would take more work, but it is something that we have been thinking about. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:46:17Thanks, and then going back to the stable RBC comment, over the next few years, I think there's some different moving parts over the next few years when you, I guess, on your own company-specific side, the change to the hedging of the closed block of variable annuities and Shield, and then you have some changes going into effect. I think there's a case scheduled for next year on variable annuity capital and reserving requirements. I guess, have you tried to contemplate all of these moving parts into that forward outlook already, or can you give any thoughts there? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:47:01Sure. So you highlight two areas that will create some level of uncertainty about what the framework will look like. I would say, in particular, you're referring to the upcoming change in the economic scenario generator, which is scheduled at this point for the 2026 financial statements, correct? That's what you're asking about. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:47:30That was a piece of it, and then I think also just your own changes to the legacy hedging as well. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:47:38Yeah. So those are not factored in my comments because, first of all, there's no way to assess what the framework will look like, the final framework for the ESG, for example, and I would make the case that, for example, if you institute a very conservative economic scenario generator, that you would not have to have as high an RBC ratio. That's one possible way to look at it because if you're going to reflect a lot of the risk in your balance sheet today, the excess, the capital cushion that you need for adverse deviation should be less. So that is not factored into my comments. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:48:29Just another thing just to underscore, I think it's clear to everyone on this call, but our expectations about the RBC ratio are going to be driven by normal markets. So when we look at our financial plan, I would say we have a moderate type of scenario going forward. It's not, I would say, somewhat less than normal market returns, somewhat higher than normal credit losses, nothing that I would identify as that significant outside of normal markets, and so that's why we talk about stable. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:49:11If you had something different than that in terms of market environment, you would have a different outcome for your RBC ratio, either positive or negative, and then on the hedging piece, one of our overarching goals of everything we're doing here is to try to simplify. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:49:30This is never going to be simple, as you probably got from my very long answer to the first question, but our goal is to make it simpler, and so we might decide if it made sense for a more straightforward and clear picture of managing the risk, you might choose to take some sort of a capital impact from doing that if you thought it made sense, so I'm not saying that is going to happen. I expect that to happen. I'm just saying that that would be a trade-off that we might make, which is not contemplated in anything that I have talked about today in terms of stable RBC ratio. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:50:14Understood. Thank you. Operator00:50:17Thank you, and one moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question is going to come from the line of Nick Anido with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Nick AnidoAnalyst at Wells Fargo00:50:29Hey, good morning. Maybe just more of a high-level question, maybe for Myles or David, but can you just comment on the kind of competitive environment or dynamics in the RILA business? It just seems like a lot of companies are already in it and starting to launch new or refresh products. Would be good to get your kind of near-term or intermediate-term outlook on it. Thanks. Myles LambertEVP and Chief Distribution and Marketing Officer at Brighthouse Financial00:50:51Yeah. Good morning. It's Myles. I'll take it. David can certainly chime in. But look, there's a lot of demand for these products in the marketplace. Customers are looking to stay invested with protection. They're focused on retirement planning. So the market has expanded quite a bit. It's expanded as it relates to new distributors selling these products. Myles LambertEVP and Chief Distribution and Marketing Officer at Brighthouse Financial00:51:14There's a lot of new features on these products, including income riders. But we feel really great about our competitive positioning. Last year was our best year yet as it relates to Shield sales. And we continue to do a number of different things to enhance our offering, whether it's Shield Level Pay Plus, which is Shield with an income rider, or Step Rate Edge, which is a new crediting strategy. David, anything you wanted to add to that? David RosenbaumEVP and Head of Product and Underwriting at Brighthouse Financial00:51:37Nope. I think you covered it. Operator00:51:39Thank you, and one moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Tom Gallagher with Evercore ISI. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:51:56Morning. A few questions. So the stable RBC, should we assume that means you'll have positive stat earnings but increasing required capital? So that's my first question. And just relatedly, would you expect to still execute share repurchase here, which presumably, at least for the near term, is going to rely on drawdown of HoldCo excess? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:52:28Hey, Tom. So I don't want to go too far down the path of this forward-looking plan topic, but the answer to your question is yes. It does assume that the results over the plan period would be positive earnings. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:52:52And what if anything on share repo? Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:52:59Yeah. He's pointing at me. Yeah. He's pointing at me, Tom. Look, generally, as Ed just said and as you know, we don't talk about share repurchases going forward. We just haven't done that. All I can do to help you out is point to history, which is pretty consistent. And as I mentioned, I'm not sure on whose question, maybe Jimmy's, over our history as a public company has added up to repurchases of north of $2.5 billion. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:53:35Gotcha. And then for my follow-up, can you give a little more color? These risk transfer deals you did, the annuity deal, what were the deposit size on those fixed annuities and payout annuities? And then how big were the life deals? I don't know, reserve or insurance in force, how big were those? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:54:05Hey, Tom. So on the, I don't know how far I want to go down the path on the reserves for the life deal because we continue to look at other opportunities, and I gave a comment earlier in response to Wes' question about it. It was probably you could assume 10-15 RBC points, and it was all driven by the numerator of the calculation. So you can do some math to come up with a range, but I'm not going to get more specific than that. And then how about the question again on the annuity side? Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:54:47Yeah. Just the size of the 3Q annuity deal, how big were the assets or deposits on those? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:54:56It was approximately $8 billion. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:54:59Gotcha. And can I just sneak in one more just from a standpoint of BRCD? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:55:10I would expect all of those. You can talk nothing about it, Tom. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:55:12Hey, I'm at the end of the chain here, so I'm doing my best. But anyway, the BRCD, is there any way you can frame that? Because I think investors are trying to figure out, is that still a source of value? It certainly has been in the past. Because when I look at the $5.4 billion of TAC in BLIC and NELICO, I think there's also some additional value from BRCD. Do you have a surplus number that's back in the $24 billion of SUL reserves, or do you really just fund the reserves? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:55:54Yeah. It's more the latter. I mean, you know that. Well, first, to your point about BRCD, we've taken $1.2 billion of dividends out of BRCD and $600 million twice. And in each instance, you needed to get regulatory approval because all dividends from BRCD are extraordinary. So obviously, we were able to illustrate that it was appropriate to be able to take money out. I've also said that a number of times that I would not view BRCD as an ongoing source of capital to Brighthouse. I think it's appropriately, obviously, appropriately capitalized, but it's a runoff block of old business. And I don't see it as a source of additional cash to BLIC or the holding company. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:56:57Gotcha. Thanks, guys. Operator00:56:59Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, I will now turn the call over to Dana Amante for closing remarks. Dana AmanteHead of Investor Relations at Brighthouse Financial00:57:06Thank you, Michelle. Thank you, everyone, for joining today's call, and have a good day. Operator00:57:12This concludes today's conference call. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Brighthouse Financial's Q4 and Full Year 2024 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Michelle, and I will be your coordinator today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will facilitate a question-and-answer session towards the end of the conference call. In fairness to all participants, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the presentation over to Dana Amante, Head of Investor Relations. Ms. Amante, you may proceed. Dana AmanteHead of Investor Relations at Brighthouse Financial00:00:35Thank you, and good morning. Welcome to Brighthouse Financial's Q4 and Full Year 2024 Earnings Call. Materials for today's call were released last night and can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. We encourage you to review all of these materials. Today, you will hear from Eric Steigerwalt, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Ed Spehar, our Chief Financial Officer. Dana AmanteHead of Investor Relations at Brighthouse Financial00:00:58Following our prepared remarks, we will open the call up for a question-and-answer period. Also here with us today to participate in the discussions are Myles Lambert, our Chief Distribution and Marketing Officer, David Rosenbaum, Head of Product and Underwriting, and John Rosenthal, our Chief Investment Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to note that our discussion during this call may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Dana AmanteHead of Investor Relations at Brighthouse Financial00:01:25Brighthouse Financial's actual results may differ materially from the results anticipated in the forward-looking statements as a result of risks and uncertainties described from time to time in Brighthouse Financial's filings with the SEC. Information discussed on today's call speaks only as of today, February 12, 2025. The company undertakes no obligation to update any information discussed on today's call. During this call, we will be discussing certain financial measures that are not based on generally accepted accounting principles, also known as non-GAAP measures. Dana AmanteHead of Investor Relations at Brighthouse Financial00:01:59Reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures on a historical basis to the most directly comparable GAAP measures and related definitions may be found in our earnings release, slide presentation, and financial supplement. And finally, references to statutory results, including certain statutory-based measures used by management, are preliminary due to the timing of the filing of the statutory statements. And now I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Eric Steigerwalt. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:02:28Thank you, Dana. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining the call today. 2024 was a year of successes and also some challenges for Brighthouse Financial. While we made significant strides in our growth strategy last year, our statutory results, as we have discussed over the past few quarters, have been disappointing. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:02:48However, as we have said before, we have been actively engaged in and continue to make progress on several strategic initiatives designed to improve capital efficiency, unlock capital, and remain within our target combined risk-based capital, or RBC ratio, range in normal market conditions. And I am very pleased with the progress that we have made on those initiatives, and I'll touch on that in a minute. First, I'd like to take a moment to highlight some of our accomplishments in 2024, including the significant strides we made in our growth strategy. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:03:28This is demonstrated by our consistent growth in sales of our flagship Shield product suite and fixed indexed annuity product, our entrance into the worksite channel with the launch of BlackRock's LifePath Paycheck, our continued steady growth in our life insurance product sales, and our launch of the newest iteration of our Shield product, as well as enhancements to our SmartCare product suite. Regarding annuity sales, we reported $10 billion of total annuity sales in 2024. In addition, we delivered record sales of our flagship Shield Level Annuities product suite of $7.7 billion, which is an increase of 12% compared with 2023. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:04:21As a reminder, our Shield products are what are known as Registered Index-Linked Annuities, or RILAs, and we remain proud to be a leader in the RILA marketplace. In 2024, we also announced updates to our Shield product suite designed to help our Shield suite remain competitive, adapt to changes in the industry, and reflect our ongoing focus on meeting clients' evolving needs. I'm also pleased with the accomplishments we achieved last year in our life insurance business. We delivered steady growth of $120 million of life insurance sales for the full year, which is an 18% increase over 2023. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:05:05We also launched new enhancements to our flagship life insurance product, SmartCare. Also, last year, we joined BlackRock in announcing the availability of BlackRock's LifePath Paycheck, or LPP, solution in defined contribution plans, and we received our first deposits from LPP, all of which is extremely exciting. Last month, BlackRock announced that LPP is now live in six employer retirement plans totaling $16 billion in assets under management, which we're also very excited about. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:05:44We remain thrilled to work with BlackRock on this innovative retirement solution and expect our involvement with LPP to enable us to reach new customers through the worksite channel. As we've said in the past, expense discipline is extremely important. Therefore, I'm pleased that our full-year corporate expenses were down over 7% compared with last year. Our accomplishments in 2024 reflect an ongoing commitment to and execution of our focus strategy, which I've spoken about before. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:06:19As you've heard us discuss in 2024, the tremendous success we have had in growing our Shield annuity block of business over the past several years, with our Shield block now making up approximately 30% of our total annuity account value, has created increased complexity associated with managing our variable annuity, or VA, and Shield business on a combined basis. This resulted in a strain in our statutory results last year or in 2024. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:06:51However, as you have heard us talk about in recent months, we continue to execute our capital-focused strategic initiatives, and we've made significant progress against those initiatives. For instance, as we said in our Q3 earnings conference call, we have made substantial progress on simplifying our VA and Shield hedging strategy. As of the end of the year, we have fully transitioned to hedging all Shield annuity new business on a standalone basis, and we continue to work on revising our hedging strategy for our in-force VA and Shield book, which is now managed as, you know, I think of it as a closed block of business. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:07:33As a reminder, despite the refinements to our hedging program, the overall focus of our financial and risk management strategy remains the same, which is to protect our statutory balance sheet under adverse market scenarios. Our strategic initiatives also include reinsurance opportunities. As we announced on our Q3 earnings call, effective as of September 30, 2024, we completed a reinsurance transaction with a third party to reinsure a legacy block of our fixed and payout annuities. That transaction helped to create capital efficiencies and reduced our required capital. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:08:18It helped to bring our estimated combined RBC ratio back to within our target range of 400%-450% in normal market conditions as of September 30. I'm also pleased to announce that in the Q4, we entered into another reinsurance agreement with a third party to reinsure a legacy block of universal life and variable universal life products residing within our life insurance segment. This reinsurance agreement resulted in additional capital benefit in the Q4. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:08:54As I mentioned a moment ago, the focus of our financial and risk management strategy remains the same, which is to protect our statutory balance sheet under adverse market scenarios. This is especially important to support our distribution franchise, including our distribution partners and the customers that they serve. As of December 31, 2024, our estimated combined RBC ratio was approximately 400% at the low end of our target range of 400%-450% in normal markets. This reflects a $100 million capital contribution made to Brighthouse Life Insurance Company, or BLIC, from the holding company. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:09:41Ed will provide more detail on our statutory results in a moment. Liquid assets at the holding company were $1.1 billion as of December 31, 2024. Pro forma for the contribution to BLIC liquid assets at the holding company continued to be a robust $1 billion. Additionally, in 2024, we returned capital to our shareholders through the repurchase of $250 million of common stock, which included $60 million of common stock repurchased in the Q4. As of year-end 2024, we have reduced the number of shares outstanding by over 50% since we began our common stock repurchase program in August of 2018. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:10:32And year-to-date, through February 7, we repurchased an additional $25 million of our common stock. As we look toward 2025, we remain committed to further executing on our business strategy, and we continue to focus on delivering on our capital-focused strategic initiatives to improve capital efficiency, unlock capital, and remain within our combined RBC ratio target range. To wrap up, I am proud of all that we accomplished in 2024 despite certain challenges that we faced. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:11:10We maintained our robust liquidity position, and our corporate expenses were down 7% versus 2023, as we also maintained our focus on expense discipline. We delivered record sales of our Shield Level Annuities product suite, and we received our first deposits with the launch of BlackRock's LifePath Paycheck product. We ended the year with an estimated combined RBC ratio of approximately 400% and continue to make progress against our capital-focused strategic initiatives. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ed to discuss the financial results. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:11:51Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. As Eric mentioned, we contributed $100 million to BLIC, effective for year-end statutory financial statements, to bring our estimated combined RBC ratio to approximately 400%, or the low end of our target range in normal market conditions. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:12:19Given that it is year-end, which is the only time our subsidiaries officially report an RBC figure, we felt it was appropriate to be in our range. Our combined total adjusted capital, or TAC, was approximately $5.4 billion at December 31, which also reflects the capital contribution. Without the contribution, we estimate that our combined RBC ratio would have been in the mid-390s. I would like to make a few comments on the decision to contribute capital to BLIC. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:12:55First, we have repeatedly stated that we believe our franchise value is driven by distribution and that we are committed to our distribution partners and the customers that they serve. Given the importance of both distribution and the financial strength of our operating companies, we determined it was prudent to make a relatively modest contribution from the holding company to our largest operating subsidiary. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:13:23Second, we have consistently highlighted the importance of maintaining a conservative position at the holding company, both in terms of cash and capital structure. It is critical to have flexibility to deal with the uncertainty that is inherent in the financial services industry, and our results last year illustrate this fact. After the contribution, we still have approximately $1 billion of cash and liquid assets at the holding company. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:13:51Finally, while we do not typically provide a forward look on RBC, we're making an exception in this instance given this is the first time we've contributed cash from the holding company to an operating subsidiary since our early days as a public company. Our financial plan currently anticipates that our combined RBC ratio will be relatively stable over the next few years without additional support from the holding company. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:14:24As Eric discussed, we made significant progress in 2024 on our capital-focused strategic initiatives designed to improve capital efficiency, unlock capital, and return our combined RBC ratio to our target range in normal market conditions. Keep in mind that while our statutory results benefited from the reinsurance agreement entered in the Q4, as well as us hedging Shield new business on a standalone basis, our VA and Shield business is not immune to large quarterly market moves. Specifically, in the Q4, interest rates were up approximately 80 basis points, as measured by the 10-year U.S. Treasury, and there was a significant steepening in the yield curve. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:15:13The combined impact of the significant changes in interest rates and the yield curve shape resulted in a negative impact on our annuity statutory results, which contributed to the $300 million decline in TAC in the quarter. As I have discussed in the past, there is an element of timing for market impacts. In this case, there was a current period cost from the movement in rates, however, we would expect to see the benefit from higher interest rates over time. Additionally, there was a net $200 million increase in asset adequacy testing reserves, which contributed to the decline in TAC driven by legacy fixed annuity blocks. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:16:03At December 31st, holding company liquid assets were approximately $1.1 billion. Pro forma for the capital contribution, holding company liquid assets are approximately $1 billion. Now, turning to adjusted earnings results in the Q4, adjusted earnings for the quarter of $304 million reflect a $48 million unfavorable notable item, or 80 cents per share, related to actuarial model updates. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:16:40Adjusted earnings, excluding the impact from the notable item, were $352 million, which compares with adjusted earnings on the same basis of $243 million in the Q3 of 2024 and $189 million in the Q4 of 2023. Excluding the impact of the notable item, the adjusted earnings results in the Q4 were approximately $70 million, or $1.17 per share, above our average quarterly run rate expectation. Our underwriting margin was approximately $40 million higher than our average quarterly expectation, driven by lower claim volume net of reinsurance in both our life and Run-off segments. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:17:33There was also a benefit of approximately $30 million versus our average quarterly run rate expectation from non-trendable items, equally split among investments, tax, and corporate expenses. Alternative investment income was at the upper end of our long-term expectation of a 9%-11% annual return, yielding approximately 2.6% in the Q4. This contributed to higher net investment income compared with the Q3. Shifting to results by segment, the Annuity segment reported adjusted earnings less notable items of $327 million. Sequentially, annuity results were driven by higher net investment income, partially offset by a lower underwriting margin. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:18:26The Life segment reported adjusted earnings of $52 million and were higher sequentially, which was driven by higher net investment income and a higher underwriting margin. This was partially offset by higher expenses. The Run-off segment had an adjusted loss of $27 million. Sequentially, results reflected higher net investment income and a higher underwriting margin. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:18:58The Corporate and Other segment reported zero adjusted earnings, which reflected a lower tax benefit in the quarter, partially offset by lower expenses sequentially. In closing, we are pleased with our progress on strategic initiatives and believe we have illustrated our commitment to maintaining a strong statutory balance sheet. Finally, we continue to have substantial cash at the holding company. We will now turn the call over to the operator to begin the question and answer session. Operator00:19:31Thank you. To ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. One moment while we compile our Q&A roster. Our first question is going to come from the line of Wes Carmichael with Autonomous Research. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Wes CarmichaelAnalyst at Autonomous Research00:19:52Hey, thank you. Good morning. Ed, I was hoping you could touch a little bit on the drivers of RBC in the quarter. I think it declined if you exclude the capital contribution and reinsurance, but maybe you could just touch on. I know you quantified the capital contribution, but reinsurance transaction as well. That'd be great. Thank you. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:20:09Yeah. Good morning, Wes. This is going to be a long answer, but hopefully it'll help you with understanding the quarter. There was a lot going on this quarter. We had the benefit from our strategic initiatives, including the reinsurance that you mentioned, the standalone hedging for Shield new business, as well as some of the market factors, and then finally the year-end asset adequacy testing. So let me start with the strategic initiatives. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:20:48If you look at our supplement, you'll see we show some normalizing adjustments NormStat, and it's a positive number in the Q4, and that's despite the fact that it includes this AAT impact, so if you're looking at roughly at around when you do the math, it shows to $300 million. The actual impact from these positive items is north of $400 million. Okay, and so the benefits that we realized from these strategic initiatives would really be captured in that bucket, and there's really two things. First of all, you heard us talk about hedging Shield new business on a standalone basis beginning in July. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:21:37The real benefit that you get from that is when you build it into your statutory modeling. And so in the Q4, we implemented the statutory modeling adjustments associated with hedging Shield new business on a standalone basis, as well as our Shield Level Pay Plus product, which is both the new version as well as the old version. The reason this is important is because when you build it into your financial statements, you are required to take into account the future hedges that will be associated with the standalone hedging approach into your liability cash flows. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:22:26And so we saw a significant benefit from that impact in the Q4. The second strategic initiative that was positive was the reinsurance deal. So we did a legacy block of UL, VUL life reinsurance deal, and that benefited us overall to RBC about 10-15 points. So that's in that number as well. So that's the real positive here from the strategic initiatives, which, as I said, was significant and north of $400 million. Turning NormStat, we had a $200 NormStat loss in the quarter, approximately. In the quarter, I mentioned the interest rate impact in my prepared remarks. NormStat, there was about roughly a $350 million negative from rates. And so let me explain. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:23:24Obviously, fundamentally, higher interest rates are positive for a VA block. They're positive because you have a lower present value of future claims, you have lower future claims, and that's partially offset by lower bond fund values. So that's the fundamental impact of higher interest rates for VA. Now, let's talk about the statutory impact, both near and long term. In the near term, immediately, with long rates up and the yield curve steepening, you lose on your derivatives that hedge the rate risk, and you don't get the full benefit you would expect to see from the rate move because the yield curve did not move in a parallel fashion. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:24:12And the way the statutory framework works is it's very dependent on the one-year and the 20-year. And so the fact that the long rates went up had more of an impact on your hedge assets, and the fact that the yield curve did not move in parallel fashion did not have as much of a positive impact on your liabilities as you would expect to see. Now, over time, the benefit you will realize is clearly the most obvious benefit is in the mean reversion point adjustment in the statutory framework for the 20-year Treasury. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:24:51Just to illustrate, at the end of September in our three-year financial plan, we thought we would have two MRP increases over the three-year period. Now, based on year-end actuals, we would expect to see three increases in the MRP. There is a timing issue associated with rates. The final piece I want to talk about is the asset adequacy testing reserve, and that was approximately a $200 million increase. This is related to a legacy block of fixed annuities. It's approximately $8 billion of reserves. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:25:28This is an old block of business without material surrender charge protection, and so what we saw this year in our testing was in high-rate scenarios, you would see a material increase in lapses on this block, which could cause to sell bonds at a loss to fund the outflows. So you know you're looking at a variety of conservative scenarios when you look at cash flow testing. This year, we saw that the up-rate scenario was going to cause some shortfall, and that's why we set up the $200 million. So I know that's a lot, but hopefully you can put those pieces together, and I think you can get a pretty good understanding of what drove the results in the quarter. Wes CarmichaelAnalyst at Autonomous Research00:26:24No, appreciate it. And I guess my follow-up is just on hedging. I know Shield is fully transitioned. Can you just comment on where you are with the legacy VA portfolio and maybe just any update on timing of long-term free cash flow projections would be helpful? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:26:43Sure. So we continue to focus on what our strategy will be for this legacy block of VA and Shield, the old Shield. There's a lot of work that's still underway. This is a very important initiative for us. I want to remind everyone, though, that our underlying approach to managing this risk has not changed, which is we have a maximum loss tolerance of up to $500 million, and we are on a statutory basis, and we are focused relative to CTE98, and we are focused on managing that risk so that there is no issue for market movements and interest rate movements. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:27:36So there's no change in managing the risk itself, but we are looking at what is the appropriate strategy going forward for that back book now that we are hedging all our new business on a standalone basis. The long-term statutory free cash flow projections, I think I had a question. I know I had a question last quarter about timing and related to our work on the hedging change. We need to complete the work on what we do with this back book before we would complete those free cash flow projections. We said last quarter that we were targeting mid-year. I said that that is going to be dependent on the progress we make on this key strategic initiative. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:28:26I think I would just say we're going to have to wait and see what the timing is. If I had to guess, I would say it's probably going to slip from what I said last quarter, but it's much more important for us to get this back book hedging strategy factored into those projections than it is to rush getting those projections out. Wes CarmichaelAnalyst at Autonomous Research00:28:48Got it. Thank you. Operator00:28:53Thank you. One moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Suneet Kamath with Jefferies. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Suneet KamathResearch Analyst at Jefferies00:29:04Thanks. Good morning. First question, just on the stable RBC. Should we think stable, meaning at 400% or somewhere in that range that you target? And then does that outlook contemplate any subsidiary dividends out of BLIC? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:29:20Good morning, Suneet. So I think we're not going to get any more specific than stable. I mean, you could interpret stable in a variety of ways, but I would say that if it's approximately 400% at year-end and we are targeting to be in our range in normal markets, if you assume normal markets, that should give you some indication of what stable means, and in terms of dividends, our financial plan does contemplate taking money from operating companies after this year. Suneet KamathResearch Analyst at Jefferies00:30:04Got it. Then I guess the second question is a higher-level question for Eric. I get the strategy and all that, but just thinking about the setup here, I mean, does it make sense for this company to be public on a standalone basis? The reason I ask is Ed just spent 10 minutes talking about the quarterly change in RBC with all of the moving pieces, and it's a level of complexity and confusion, I think, that we just are not seeing from other companies, I think, because they are more diversified and have other businesses other than just primarily annuities. So how do you think about the complexity of what you have versus perhaps not being public on a go-forward basis? Thanks. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:30:53You got it, Suneet. You broke up a touch there, but I think I got it all. Look, we've been dealing with complexity for seven and a half years now. There have been a number of periods where that complexity has been far less. Recently, as we've discussed and whether it's part of Ed's answer here or answers we've given in the past, when we ended up with as much Shield on the books as we were hoping for to sort of balance the old VA book, that created an interesting situation for us, and I would agree that that situation not only sounds complex, but is complex, and so what we've done is broken it apart into essentially two pieces. I'm overly simplifying here. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:31:49One, for all Shield new business to be hedged on a standalone basis. And then, two, as Ed's previous answer sort of illuminated, figuring out how we're going to hedge what I called previously kind of a closed block of VA and older Shield. So when we think about what we've got to do to manage this complexity, some years it's been far more simple. This last year, 2024, I agree, it was complicated. And so whether it's running the company as efficiently as we can on sort of a BAU basis, right? Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:32:32Everything that we do on a normal basis to run this company. And then adding in these strategic initiatives, whether it's things like reinsurance, other initiatives that we're thinking about, we're always trying to think of new initiatives, or the fairly large initiative associated with the hedging program, we are a public company, and we're running this company every day to, over time, create long-term shareholder value. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:33:04Even as you think about it, we're roughly at year seven and a half. We've repurchased $2.5 billion of stock, and that adds up to more than 50% of the original shares outstanding. So all I can tell you is we're going to continue to run the company as we have, and when you do hit periods of complexity, you just power through it, which is exactly what you've seen us do over the last couple of quarters, including the Q4, and that won't stop as we go through 2025. Suneet KamathResearch Analyst at Jefferies00:33:40Okay. Thanks for the answer. Operator00:33:44Thank you and one moment as we move on to our next question, and our next question is going to come from the line of Wilma Burdis with Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Wilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management and Life Insurance at Raymond James00:33:56Hey, good morning. I know you talked about 4Q, but could you just give us a broad sense of what's been leading to normalized net losses in, I guess, several of the most recent quarters? Is it RILA under higher equity markets? Is it hedging on traditional VAs? Maybe just give us a broad sense, please. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:34:23Sure. Good morning. One of the things we've talked about, along with just the normal volatility that you can have associated with market moves, which we've had a variety of things that we've talked about in prior quarters, which I'm sure we could follow up with you to just remind you of what we have said in each of those quarters on the market moves. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:34:45But the other thing we've talked about is the strain from new business and the fact that what drove our decision to change our approach for hedging new business is once we achieve this balance in our risk profile between VA and Shield, that we were no longer seeing the same benefit that we used to see from the way we managed, and so that we needed to change, so there was some additional strain impact that you saw in 2024 beyond what we would anticipate going forward, and really anticipate going forward for a couple of reasons. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:35:28Number one, because of the approach we're taking to managing the business from a hedging standpoint, and number two, you've heard us talk about exploring sort of flow reinsurance deal for Shield new business, which would also help alleviate capital strain, and we continue on that path. We have multiple interested parties in a deal of that nature. And so that's something in terms of another initiative that we have in the works for this year. I'd make sure and remind everyone of that one because it continues to be an important one. Wilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management and Life Insurance at Raymond James00:36:05Okay. Thank you. And then, is there other opportunities to, for instance, increase the portfolio? And if so, can you talk about how much capital that would require? And along the same lines, you guys did a good job on the expense management this year. Is there more that can be cut to, I guess, just help improve organic cash flow generation? Thanks. John RosenthalEVP and CIO at Brighthouse Financial00:36:29Hi, Wilma, it's John. Yeah, there probably are some opportunities to increase yield. I think at a high level, our portfolio allocation has remained roughly stable during the year. We still have more of a risk-off approach, excuse me. We invest across the board in all fixed income asset classes. Spreads are tight, so we don't see any compelling reason to pile into any one sector, but we are positioned to take advantage of widening spreads and dislocations should they present themselves. Eric, do you want to follow up on this? Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:37:15Yeah, I'll take the second half, Wilma. Yeah, we had a good year with respect to expenses in 2024. Expenses down 7% year-over-year. As I've said over the years, actually, my real focus is on the expense ratio, right? So keeping that expense ratio down has been a focus, frankly, since day one, and that was a long time ago. We're not afraid, though, to invest in growth, so I would just sort of say, Wilma, as you think about 2025, certainly there are inflationary effects out there, and they will affect all companies, including ours. But my real focus is to grow revenues sort of faster than our expense margins, and I expect that to continue in 2025. So the expense discipline is alive and well. Wilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management and Life Insurance at Raymond James00:38:12Thank you. Operator00:38:16Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Jimmy Bhullar with JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Jimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:38:28Hey, good morning. So Ed, just to the question, or maybe Eric, on just your intention on where you'd like to run the company in terms of RBC ratio and where is it that you, as long as you're above 400%, should we assume that you'd be taking sort of additional actions like reinsurance or anything else to get it even higher and give you a little bit of cushion, or are you comfortable running it at 400%? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:38:58Good morning, Jimmy. So the first thing I'd say is we're comfortable running at 400%. In normal market conditions, we say our range of 400%-450%. And I think over time, as your mix shifts, you can argue for the range coming down. I'm not saying near term, but over time, that would make sense given the changing risk profile of the company. The second thing is we're always looking for opportunities to unlock capital. So that is not. That's nothing different than what we've tried to do over the years in a variety of different ways. And so that's just been a consistent effort on our part, and it will continue to be. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:39:52These different strategic initiatives that we have in place, the approach we're going to take with the back book of VA and Shield, any additional reinsurance that we might put in place, we think that that is going to improve capital efficiency, potentially unlock capital, and that's why we continue to be focused on those initiatives. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:40:21Hey, Jimmy, it's Eric. I'll just add a little bit because I think it's a good question. Remember, you know this very well. You've got the interplay between what's your capital level at your insurance subsidiaries, especially BLIC, and then what you got the holding company. Of course, we still got a billion dollars up at the holding company. Ed and I have talked about that for years. We always felt that was prudent, and we still think it's prudent, obviously. Yeah, we can run at 400%. Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:40:54You've got the liquidity of the holding company, and, you know, we've never pushed money down, but we just thought, as you heard Ed say, I don't know, maybe 20 minutes ago, that it just made a lot of sense to get the RBC ratio at the end of the year within the range. It's really helpful for distributors, and I like helping our distributors. So even after we did that, we still got a billion dollars up at the holding company, and as you heard Ed say, we do, in our three-year plan, expect to have dividends up to the holding company. So yes, we are comfortable. Jimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:41:36Okay. And just on the dividend point, are you expecting dividends every year, or was that more of a cumulative comment? Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:41:48That is more of a cumulative comment. I think, as we've done in the past, we prefer to talk about any forward-looking metrics on a multi-year basis rather than any single period. Jimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:41:59Okay. And then on fixed annuity sales, they were down this quarter a decent amount. So is that because of competition or something from distribution or just a desire to sort of preserve capital? Can you talk about what drove the decline there? Myles LambertEVP and Chief Distribution and Marketing Officer at Brighthouse Financial00:42:16Hey, good morning, Jimmy. It's Myles speaking. So FRA sales were down for the year as expected. As a reminder, mid-year, we had a transition into a new reinsurance partner. Our FIA sales were up for the year driven by our successful launch of our SecureKey product. On a combined basis, we exceeded our expectations for fixed sales, but we continue to balance growth, pricing discipline, and managing capital, and we're happy with our overall results. Jimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:42:50Thank you. Operator00:42:54Thank you, and one moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of John Barnidge with Piper Sandler. Your line is open. Please go ahead. John BarnidgeManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:43:12Good morning. Thanks for the opportunity. My question's on the investment management of the portfolio. How much expense is there associated with the outsourcing of that? John RosenthalEVP and CIO at Brighthouse Financial00:43:21Hey, John, it's John. We don't really provide that. We provide an overall investment expense number you can see in our financials, and you can assume that IMA-type fees are the majority of that. John BarnidgeManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:43:37Thank you for that. My follow-up question: how much outsourcing is concentrated in the most hands as a percent basis? I'm not looking for who. John RosenthalEVP and CIO at Brighthouse Financial00:43:51In which hand? John BarnidgeManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:43:52You outsource it to third parties. Is there any? John RosenthalEVP and CIO at Brighthouse Financial00:43:56Yes. John BarnidgeManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:43:57Is there any one party that has a demonstrable amount, and how much is that amount? John RosenthalEVP and CIO at Brighthouse Financial00:44:01We have a dozen or so outside managers who we believe are world-class in the capabilities we use them for across various sectors. I don't think we want to get into who manages how much money for us. John BarnidgeManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler00:44:20Thank you. Operator00:44:22Thank you, and one moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Krueger with KBW. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:44:33Thanks. Good morning. I guess a question on reinsurance. So you've done a couple of in-force deals. I guess when you look forward, are you still looking to do more things like that? And I guess would you broaden the scope to also perhaps include some of the liabilities, the SUL liabilities in BRCD as well? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:44:55Hey, good morning, Ryan. So in my response to Jimmy's question, I said we're always looking for ways to do what's right from a capital standpoint. And if it makes sense for us to do additional transactions, we will do that. And we will look at everything to consider whether or not it makes sense to do that. So to this point, we've done some legacy blocks. We did the annuity block that we talked about in the Q3. We did the life deal that we talked about this quarter, which was UL and VUL. So we will look. I think we've gone in the direction so far of things that were more straightforward. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:45:54And I would say I wouldn't say easy to do because there was a ton of work that went into doing all this, but relatively easy. I think as you start to talk about some of these other businesses or legacy businesses that you mentioned, there would be more complexity. It would take more work, but it is something that we have been thinking about. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:46:17Thanks, and then going back to the stable RBC comment, over the next few years, I think there's some different moving parts over the next few years when you, I guess, on your own company-specific side, the change to the hedging of the closed block of variable annuities and Shield, and then you have some changes going into effect. I think there's a case scheduled for next year on variable annuity capital and reserving requirements. I guess, have you tried to contemplate all of these moving parts into that forward outlook already, or can you give any thoughts there? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:47:01Sure. So you highlight two areas that will create some level of uncertainty about what the framework will look like. I would say, in particular, you're referring to the upcoming change in the economic scenario generator, which is scheduled at this point for the 2026 financial statements, correct? That's what you're asking about. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:47:30That was a piece of it, and then I think also just your own changes to the legacy hedging as well. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:47:38Yeah. So those are not factored in my comments because, first of all, there's no way to assess what the framework will look like, the final framework for the ESG, for example, and I would make the case that, for example, if you institute a very conservative economic scenario generator, that you would not have to have as high an RBC ratio. That's one possible way to look at it because if you're going to reflect a lot of the risk in your balance sheet today, the excess, the capital cushion that you need for adverse deviation should be less. So that is not factored into my comments. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:48:29Just another thing just to underscore, I think it's clear to everyone on this call, but our expectations about the RBC ratio are going to be driven by normal markets. So when we look at our financial plan, I would say we have a moderate type of scenario going forward. It's not, I would say, somewhat less than normal market returns, somewhat higher than normal credit losses, nothing that I would identify as that significant outside of normal markets, and so that's why we talk about stable. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:49:11If you had something different than that in terms of market environment, you would have a different outcome for your RBC ratio, either positive or negative, and then on the hedging piece, one of our overarching goals of everything we're doing here is to try to simplify. Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:49:30This is never going to be simple, as you probably got from my very long answer to the first question, but our goal is to make it simpler, and so we might decide if it made sense for a more straightforward and clear picture of managing the risk, you might choose to take some sort of a capital impact from doing that if you thought it made sense, so I'm not saying that is going to happen. I expect that to happen. I'm just saying that that would be a trade-off that we might make, which is not contemplated in anything that I have talked about today in terms of stable RBC ratio. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:50:14Understood. Thank you. Operator00:50:17Thank you, and one moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question is going to come from the line of Nick Anido with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Nick AnidoAnalyst at Wells Fargo00:50:29Hey, good morning. Maybe just more of a high-level question, maybe for Myles or David, but can you just comment on the kind of competitive environment or dynamics in the RILA business? It just seems like a lot of companies are already in it and starting to launch new or refresh products. Would be good to get your kind of near-term or intermediate-term outlook on it. Thanks. Myles LambertEVP and Chief Distribution and Marketing Officer at Brighthouse Financial00:50:51Yeah. Good morning. It's Myles. I'll take it. David can certainly chime in. But look, there's a lot of demand for these products in the marketplace. Customers are looking to stay invested with protection. They're focused on retirement planning. So the market has expanded quite a bit. It's expanded as it relates to new distributors selling these products. Myles LambertEVP and Chief Distribution and Marketing Officer at Brighthouse Financial00:51:14There's a lot of new features on these products, including income riders. But we feel really great about our competitive positioning. Last year was our best year yet as it relates to Shield sales. And we continue to do a number of different things to enhance our offering, whether it's Shield Level Pay Plus, which is Shield with an income rider, or Step Rate Edge, which is a new crediting strategy. David, anything you wanted to add to that? David RosenbaumEVP and Head of Product and Underwriting at Brighthouse Financial00:51:37Nope. I think you covered it. Operator00:51:39Thank you, and one moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Tom Gallagher with Evercore ISI. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:51:56Morning. A few questions. So the stable RBC, should we assume that means you'll have positive stat earnings but increasing required capital? So that's my first question. And just relatedly, would you expect to still execute share repurchase here, which presumably, at least for the near term, is going to rely on drawdown of HoldCo excess? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:52:28Hey, Tom. So I don't want to go too far down the path of this forward-looking plan topic, but the answer to your question is yes. It does assume that the results over the plan period would be positive earnings. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:52:52And what if anything on share repo? Eric SteigerwaltPresident and CEO at Brighthouse Financial00:52:59Yeah. He's pointing at me. Yeah. He's pointing at me, Tom. Look, generally, as Ed just said and as you know, we don't talk about share repurchases going forward. We just haven't done that. All I can do to help you out is point to history, which is pretty consistent. And as I mentioned, I'm not sure on whose question, maybe Jimmy's, over our history as a public company has added up to repurchases of north of $2.5 billion. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:53:35Gotcha. And then for my follow-up, can you give a little more color? These risk transfer deals you did, the annuity deal, what were the deposit size on those fixed annuities and payout annuities? And then how big were the life deals? I don't know, reserve or insurance in force, how big were those? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:54:05Hey, Tom. So on the, I don't know how far I want to go down the path on the reserves for the life deal because we continue to look at other opportunities, and I gave a comment earlier in response to Wes' question about it. It was probably you could assume 10-15 RBC points, and it was all driven by the numerator of the calculation. So you can do some math to come up with a range, but I'm not going to get more specific than that. And then how about the question again on the annuity side? Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:54:47Yeah. Just the size of the 3Q annuity deal, how big were the assets or deposits on those? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:54:56It was approximately $8 billion. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:54:59Gotcha. And can I just sneak in one more just from a standpoint of BRCD? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:55:10I would expect all of those. You can talk nothing about it, Tom. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:55:12Hey, I'm at the end of the chain here, so I'm doing my best. But anyway, the BRCD, is there any way you can frame that? Because I think investors are trying to figure out, is that still a source of value? It certainly has been in the past. Because when I look at the $5.4 billion of TAC in BLIC and NELICO, I think there's also some additional value from BRCD. Do you have a surplus number that's back in the $24 billion of SUL reserves, or do you really just fund the reserves? Ed SpeharEVP and CFO at Brighthouse Financial00:55:54Yeah. It's more the latter. I mean, you know that. Well, first, to your point about BRCD, we've taken $1.2 billion of dividends out of BRCD and $600 million twice. And in each instance, you needed to get regulatory approval because all dividends from BRCD are extraordinary. So obviously, we were able to illustrate that it was appropriate to be able to take money out. I've also said that a number of times that I would not view BRCD as an ongoing source of capital to Brighthouse. I think it's appropriately, obviously, appropriately capitalized, but it's a runoff block of old business. And I don't see it as a source of additional cash to BLIC or the holding company. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:56:57Gotcha. Thanks, guys. Operator00:56:59Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, I will now turn the call over to Dana Amante for closing remarks. Dana AmanteHead of Investor Relations at Brighthouse Financial00:57:06Thank you, Michelle. Thank you, everyone, for joining today's call, and have a good day. Operator00:57:12This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesDana AmanteHead of Investor RelationsDavid RosenbaumEVP and Head of Product and UnderwritingMyles LambertEVP and Chief Distribution and Marketing OfficerEd SpeharEVP and CFOEric SteigerwaltPresident and CEOJohn RosenthalEVP and CIOAnalystsNick AnidoAnalyst at Wells FargoRyan KruegerManaging Director at KBWJohn BarnidgeManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper SandlerTom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISIWilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management and Life Insurance at Raymond JamesWes CarmichaelAnalyst at Autonomous ResearchSuneet KamathResearch Analyst at JefferiesJimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorganPowered by