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Enphase Energy Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript


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Participants

Corporate Executives

  • Zach Freedman
    Investor Relations
  • Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
    President & Chief Executive Officer
  • Mandy Yang
    Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer
  • Raghu Belur
    Co-founder & Chief Products Officer

Presentation

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Enphase Energy Fourth Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference call. [Operator Instructions]

I would now like to turn the conference over to Zach Freedman. Please go ahead.

Zach Freedman
Investor Relations at Enphase Energy

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us on today's conference call to discuss Enphase Energy's fourth quarter 2023 results.

On today's call are Badri Kothandaraman, our President and Chief Executive Officer; Mandy Yang, our Chief Financial Officer; and Raghu Belur, our Chief Products Officer. After the market closed today, Enphase issued a press release announcing the results for its fourth quarter ended December 31, 2023.

During this conference call, Enphase management will make forward-looking statements, including but not limited to, statements related to our expected future financial performance, market trends, the capabilities of our technology and products and the benefits to homeowners and installers, our operations, including manufacturing, customer service and supply and demand, anticipated growth in existing and new markets, the timing of new product introductions and regulatory and tax matters. These forward-looking statements involve significant risks and uncertainties and our actual results and the timing of events could differ materially from these expectations.

For a more complete discussion of the risks and uncertainties, please see our most recent Form 10-K and 10-Qs filed with the SEC. We caution you not to place any undue reliance on forward-looking statements and undertake no duty or obligation to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information, future events or changes in expectations. Also, please note that financial measures used on this call are expressed on a non-GAAP basis unless otherwise noted, and have been adjusted to exclude certain charges. We have provided a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP financial measures in our earnings release furnished with the SEC on Form 8-K, which can also be found in the Investor Relations section of our website.

Now I'd like to introduce Badri Kothandaraman, our President and Chief Executive Officer. Badri?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Good afternoon, and thanks for joining us today to discuss our fourth quarter 2023 financial results. We reported quarterly revenue of $302.6 million, shipped approximately 1.6 million microinverters and 80.7 megawatt hours of batteries and generated free cash flow of $15.4 million. On our last earnings call, we said we would reduce channel inventory by approximately $150 million. We achieved a reduction of $147 million in Q4. For the fourth quarter, we delivered 50% gross margin, 29% operating expenses, and 22% operating income, all as a percentage of revenue on a non-GAAP basis and including the IRA benefit. Mandy will go into our financials later in the call.

Let's now discuss how we are servicing customers. Our worldwide NPS was 77% in Q4, the same as Q3. Our average call wait time was one minute compared to 1.3 minutes in Q3. We have made good progress on solving customer issues by focusing on both automation, as well as expanding our field service teams globally.

Let's talk about operations. The overall supply environment for microinverters and batteries is quite stable. Let's come to microinverters. We shipped approximately 913,000 microinverters to customers in Q4 from our contract manufacturing facilities in the US. We announced in December that we are ceasing operations at our contract manufacturing locations in Romania and Wisconsin. We will manufacture microinverters in the US with our two existing partners in South Carolina and Texas. The equipment currently located in Romania and Wisconsin will be redeployed for use at other facilities. Once our restructuring actions are complete in the first half of the year, we expect to have a global capacity of approximately 7.25 million microinverters per quarter, of which 5 million will be in the US.

We expect to ship approximately 500,000 microinverters to customers from our US manufacturing facilities in Q1. We expect that our shipments from US facilities will be lower in the first half of the year as we reduce both factory, as well as channel inventory. We anticipate a higher level of shipments in the second half of the year. For IQ Batteries, we have two cell pack suppliers, both in China, which have sufficient manufacturing capacity to support our ramp in 2024. In addition, we will have the capability to manufacture IQ Batteries in the US in the third quarter of 2024.

Let's now cover the regions. Our US and international revenue mix for Q4 was 75% and 25%, respectively. For more visibility into our business, we are providing you regional breakdowns and sell-through dollar metrics by region until the channel is healthy. In the US, our revenue decreased 35% sequentially as we under-shipped the end customer demand. The overall sell-through of our microinverters and batteries in the US was down 9% in Q4 compared to Q3.

Let's discuss market trends we are seeing in the US split by non-California states and California. For non-California states, our overall sell-through was only down 1% in Q4 compared to Q3. The sell-through of our microinverters was flat and the sell-through of our batteries was down 8% in Q4. In California, our overall sell-through was down by 7% in Q4 compared to Q3. The sell-through of our microinverters was down 27% in Q4, primarily due to the NEM 3.0 transition. However, the sell-through of our batteries increased by 58% in Q4, due to the high attach rate of NEM 3.0 systems as expected. As we discussed on our last earnings call, it will take a few quarters for our installers to fully transition to NEM 3.0 and normalize sales. I'll provide more statistics on NEM 3 later in the call.

In Europe, our revenue decreased 70% sequentially as we under-shipped to the end customer demand. The overall sell-through of our microinverters and batteries in Europe was down 20% in Q4, compared to Q3. The sell-through of our microinverters was down 23% and sell-through of batteries was down 2% in Q4 compared to Q3. I'll provide some color on our key markets in Europe, Netherlands, France and Germany.

In Netherlands, our overall sell-through in Q4 was down 37% compared to Q3. Customers are fearing an export penalty for solar and there is confusion about the ending of net metering. We kicked-off this new year with a solar next event in Netherlands, where we hosted 800-plus installers across the country, promoting a comprehensive solution with solar plus batteries and energy management software that will unlock the full potential of the Dutch energy market. We believe solar plus batteries are going to become the norm as dynamic tariffs and grid services become more prevalent. We are already seeing a steady ramp in batteries in the region and expect the trend to accelerate in 2024.

In France, our overall sell-through in Q4 was only down 1% compared to Q3. We see a lot of potential for this market to grow and evolve into a solar plus battery market as utility rates have moved higher, and are expected to increase even more in 2024. In Germany, our overall sell-through in Q4 was down 32% compared to Q3, however, we saw sequential growth in activations for both solar and batteries as we continue to gain traction in the region.

We are introducing our products into more countries in Europe. In the last few months, we have entered UK, Sweden, Denmark, Greece, Switzerland, Austria, Italy and Belgium markets with our IQ8 microinverters and IQ Batteries. In Australia, we are seeing growth for our Enphase Energy Systems powered by IQ8 Microinverters and IQ Battery 5P are latest third-generation battery, which we introduced in June of 2023.

In Brazil, our sell-through is stabilizing nicely as we focus on building the installer base. In India, we are starting to ship our IQ8HC and IQ8P Microinverters to support high-power panels. In Mexico, we just recently started shipping IQ8P Microinverters for residential applications. As a reminder, IQ8P is our highest powered microinverter at 480 Watts DC for both residential and in commercial applications.

Let me say a few words about our US market share. We see stable share for our microinverters and batteries based on both internal as well as third-party data. We have a large and diverse customer base. Our value proposition is to provide installers the easiest installation process with high-quality and best-in-class service. We also have tools like solar graph; design, proposal and permitting software; and lead-generation through solar lead factory at our disposal to help out installers. As a result, our partnerships go even deeper during the downturn.

Let's cover some NEM 3.0 statistics in California. Third-party data shows that the battery attach rate for NEM 3.0 systems is over 80%. Based on our system activations in January last month, approximately half of our solar installations in California were NEM 3.0. Of our NEM 3.0 solar installations, about half of them use Enphase batteries. Our revenue per NEM 3.0 system is approximately 1.5 times our average NEM 2.0 system.

The transition to NEM 3.0 has been a little slower than what we anticipated. Installers are still installing NEM 2.0 systems and this has caused a delay for some of them to sell NEM 3.0 systems. The ones who started are finding the sales process a little more difficult given the complexity of the tariff structure, the added cost of batteries upfront and high interest rates.

One particular challenge we hear is their lack of confidence in the payback of the systems they are selling. This is where solar graph software, our design and proposal software with NEM 3.0 support is critical because of its advanced modeling capabilities. In addition, installers are still coming up the learning curve on installing batteries. We are addressing this by making a lot of products improvement for ease of installation, commissioning, service ability and continue to offer in-person trainings and webinars on solar graph software.

Let's now come to our Q1 guidance. We are guiding revenue in the range of $260 million to $300 million. We expect the sell-through of our products to be seasonally down in Q1. We plan to under-shipped to the end-market demand for our products by approximately $130 million in Q1. We are forecasting to under-ship in Q2 as well, although at a much reduced level and expect the channel to be normalized by the end of Q2.

Let's talk about new products starting with IQ Batteries. Our sell-through for batteries has been increasing steadily over the last few quarters. Our third-generation battery delivers the best power specs and commissioning times of any Enphase battery till date at a 15-year industry-leading warrant. The battery adoption rates are on the rise globally and we are well positioned to grow our battery sales in 2024.

Also we expect our margins on batteries to get better throughout 204. There are three factors in play her: cell pack costs, which are coming down; microinverter costs which are coming down for us due to US manufacturing; and other costs, the product costs coming down due to improved architecture on our fourth-generation batteries causing the lower bill of materials.

We are working on entering more countries in Europe and Asia with our third-generation battery. We expect to introduce our new three-phase battery with backup for Germany during the year. We plan to pilot our fourth-generation battery later in the year. This battery will have a great cost structure and the ligand form factor due to the integrated battery management and power conversion architecture.

As previously discussed, we have entered many new markets with IQ8 family of microinverters and are now in 21 countries. We plan to enter many more new countries in Europe and Asia throughout 2024 with our microinverters and we plan to increase our served available market by introducing Social Housing and Balcony Solar Solutions to European countries during the year.

Let's also talk about our latest microinverter for the residential segment. I already mentioned IQ8P, which delivers 480 Watts of AC power supporting panels up to 650 Watts DC. We are currently shipping that product into Brazil, India, South Africa, Mexico and Vietnam. We are on track to ship into France and Spain followed by emerging markets in 2024.

The other variant of the IQ8P Microinverter with the new three-phase cabling system is well-suited for small commercial solar installations, ranging from 20 kilowatts to 200 kilowatts. We launched this product in North America in December and are seeing strong early adoption. We are very excited about this product and look forward to manufacturing all the flavors of IQ8P Microinverters at our US facilities shortly, further reducing our cost structure.

Let's discuss EV charging. We shipped over 3,700 chargers in Q4 compared to over 3,500 chargers in Q3. We launched our IQ smart EV chargers in US and Canada in Q4. The WiFi-enabled charger is now integrated to the Enphase Energy System. This enables the use cases such as self-consumption and green charging and allows homeowners complete visibility into the operation of their system through the app.

We are developing IQ smart EV chargers for many countries in Europe as well and expect to introduce them during the year. The team is also working on bidirectional EV charger, which will unlock use cases such as V2G and V2H as part of the Enphase Energy Assist. The charger will have GaN-based bidirectional inverters, which will interface with EVs, which have high voltages, high DC voltages.

I've so far discussed our hardware products. Let's cover our energy management software. The importance of this software to deliver a superior customer experience cannot be overstated. The Enphase Energy System is becoming more sophisticated with the addition of solar batteries, EV chargers, heat pumps, et cetera. In addition, the utility tariffs, which were once fixed at rates, are now becoming increasingly complex with time-of-use rates NEM 3.0, demand charges, dynamic tariffs, and our software is evolving to manage this complexity by leveraging artificial intelligence and machine learning for forecasting and optimization. We see this as an area of differentiation for us and are developing core IP towards that objective. We expect to release this software beginning in Q2, adding several features throughout the year.

Let's now discuss our installer platform. We released new features in solar graph during Q4. We introduced electrical design and single-line diagram features, while continuing to offer NEM 3.0 functionality for solar and battery systems in California. The software platform is now current, is now available to installers in US, Brazil, Germany and Austria, and we expect it, we expect to release it to more countries in the coming quarters.

Let me conclude. We have been managing through a period of slowdown in demand. We think Q1 could be the bottom quarter. Europe is already showing early signs of recovery and we expect the non-California states to bounce back quickly. California is the exception as NEM 3.0 is having some hiccups in the near term. However, we remain very bullish about NEM 3.0 in the long term. The payback is very attractive for solar-plus storage. The utility rates are going up steeply on an annual basis and the sales teams are learning fast. We see that the demand is going to eventually bounce back up in California as well.

I'll wrap up outlining our approach during these times. We are laser-focused on ease of doing business on both high-quality and great customer service. We are doubling down on operational excellence, correcting the channel and factory inventory, concentrating on sell-through and installer count, reducing our expenses and product costs and maintaining healthy gross margins. We are getting many new products out and diversifying our portfolio rapidly. We are expanding worldwide with full systems, comprising of IQ8 Microinverters, IQ Batteries, EV chargers and energy management software. We are introducing products for the small commercial solar markets worldwide and making continuous enhancements to our installer platform. In addition, we are innovating on GaN-based IQ9 and 10 Microinverters along with bidirectional EV chargers, our fourth and fifth generation IQ Batteries and AI-based energy management software to position us well for the long term.

With that, I will turn the call over to Mandy for her review of our financial results. Mandy?

Mandy Yang
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at Enphase Energy

Thanks, Badri, and good afternoon, everyone. I will provide more details related to our fourth quarter of 2023 financial results as well as our business outlook for the first quarter of 2024. We have provided reconciliations of these non-GAAP to GAAP financial measures in our earnings release posted today, which can also be found in the IR section of our website.

Total revenue for Q4 was $302.6 million. We shipped approximately 660.1 megawatts DC of microinverters and 80.7 megawatt hours of IQ Batteries in a quarter. Non-GAAP gross margin for Q4 was 50.3% compared to 48.4% in Q3. The increase was driven by increased net IRA benefit. GAAP gross margin was 48.5% for Q4. Non-GAAP gross margin without IRA benefit for Q4 was 41.8% compared to 45.8% in Q3, a decrease of 400 basis points due to microinverter historic mix, while our average selling prices remained stable.

We have a non-GAAP gross margin for Q4 included $25.8 million of net IRA benefit for our microinverters made in the US and shipped to customers in the quarter. Non-GAAP operating expenses were $86.6 million for Q4, compared to $99 million for Q3. We implemented a restructuring plan in December 2023 to reduce our operating costs and align our workforce and cost structure with current market conditions. As part of the plan, we are reducing our global workforce by approximately 10% and expect to reduce our non-GAAP operating expenses to be in the range of $75 million to $80 million a quarter in 2024 when these restructuring actions are substantially complete within the first half of this year.

GAAP operating expenses were $156.9 million for Q4, compared to $144 million for Q3. GAAP operating expenses were for Q4 included $51.6 million of stock-based compensation expenses, $14.8 million of restructuring and asset impairment charges and $3.9 million of amortization for acquired intangible assets. Our non-GAAP basis income from operations for Q4 was $65.6 million, compared to $167.6 million for Q3. On a GAAP basis, income from operations was a loss of $10.2 million for Q4, compared to income from operations of $118 million for Q3.

On a non-GAAP basis, the income for Q4 was $73.5 million, compared to $141.8 million for Q3. This resulted in non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.54 for Q4, compared to $1.02 for Q3. GAAP net income for Q4 was $20.9 million, compared to GAAP net income of $114 million for Q3. This resulted in GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.15 for Q4, compared to $0.18 for Q3. We exited Q4 with a total cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities balance of $1.7 billion, compared to $1.78 billion at the end of Q3.

As part of our $1 billion share repurchase program authorized by our Board of Directors in July 2023, we repurchased approximately 1,183,000 shares of Enphase common stock in Q4 at an average share price of $84.51 or approximately $100 million.

In addition, we spent approximately $27.5 million by withholding shares to cover withholding taxes for employee stock vesting and options in Q4, that reduced the diluted shares by approximately $260.7 shares. We expect to continue this entire dilution plan. In Q4, we generated $35.5 million in cash flow from operations and $15.4 million in free cash flow, which included approximately $46 million of income tax payments, an increase of $38 million compared to Q3. Despite the macroeconomic challenges, we continued to generate free cash flow. Capital expenditure was $20.1 million for Q4, compared to $23.8 million for Q3. Capital expenditure requirements decreased due to a reduction in our US manufacturing spending.

Now, let's discuss our outlook for the first quarter of 2024. We expect our revenue for Q1 to be within a range of $260 million to $300 million, which includes shipments of 70 megawatt hours to 90 megawatt hours of IQ Batteries. We expect GAAP gross margin to be within a range of 42% to 45%. We expect non-GAAP gross margin to be within a range of 44% to 47% with net IRA benefit and 40% to 43% before net IRA benefit.

Non-GAAP gross margin excludes stock-based compensation expense and acquisition-related amortization. We expect the net IRA benefit to be between $12 million and $14 million of estimated shipments of 500,000 units of US microinverters in Q1. We expect our microinverter shipments to customers from US manufacturing in the first half of 2024, as we continue to reduce inventory in the factory and the channel. We expect to increase the US net microinverter shipments to two-thirds of our overall microinverter shipments in the second half of 2024 [Phonetic].

We expect our GAAP operating expenses to be within a range of $144 million to $148 million, including approximately $64 million estimated for stock-based compensation expense, acquisition-related expenses, amortization and restructuring and asset impairment charges. We expect our non-GAAP operating expenses to be within a range of $80 million to $84 million. We are reducing our non-GAAP operating expenses by 5% in Q1 as compared to Q4, but we will not compromise on investing in customer service, product innovation and sales.

Moving to tax. Since we have utilized most of our net operating loss and research tax credit carryforwards, we are now a US cash taxpayer. We expect GAAP and non-GAAP annualized effective tax-rate excluding discrete items for 2024 to be a 20% plus or minus 1% with IRA benefit.

In closing, we manage well with our financial discipline through a difficult global environment in 2023, while our total revenue decreased year-over-year by 1.7%. Our non-GAAP gross margin expanded to 45.3%, excluding the IRA benefit as compared to 42.6% in 2022. And our non-GAAP gross margin further increased to 47.1% with net IRA benefit by manufacturing our microinverters in the US.

In addition, we generated approximately $586 million of free cash flow in 2023 and exited the year with $1.7 billion in cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities, up over $80 million year-over-year, while repurchasing 3.3 million shares of our common stock for approximately $410 million.

With that, I will open the line for questions.


Questions and Answers

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Brian Lee of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Brian Lee
Analyst at Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC

Hey, everyone. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. You know, Badri, thank you. I appreciate all the additional color and granularity [Phonetic] at providing in this uncertain environment. I know you, it sounds like, you know, you're pretty confident that Q1 could be the bottom here, you're under-shipping by less than Q1 than Q4 and then, you know, significantly, you know, magnitude in Q2 based on the early read. So I just wanted to ask like given seasonality, the early read on revenue for 2Q, your view that 1Q is kind of the bottom here like directionally, can you give us a sense of, you know, are we back into the low mid $300 million revenue range, or is it even something higher than that? Just any directional feel you can provide as to kind of what the magnitude of that pickup will be after 1Q bottom. And then I have a follow-up.

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Right. So just to, you know, tell the big picture. Basically, I told you that, you know, we have two problems. One is the channel being full problem, channel inventory problem and the other is the native demand problem. And so with the demand, the reduction of about, let's say, 30% to 35% from our overall highs, what we expect is a end customer demand roughly in the range of $450 million to $500 million. That's what I told you the last time. And we were close. Our Q3 end customer demand, Q3 '23 end customer demand was approximately $500 million. Our Q4 '23 end customer demand was approximately $450 million.

As you know, we, our numbers are much lower compared to those numbers. So we said, we plan to ship $150 million, under-ship $150 million compared to the end customer demand, so our end customer demand was $450 million in Q4. We under-shipped approximately $147 million. We reported number of $303 million, which is 450 minus 147. We expect the sell-through demand is going to be seasonally down approximately by 10% in Q1. And that's typical and we expect an under-shipment of $130 million. So, with these two under-shipments, we would have taken $277 million out of the channel. And we expect, you know, going forward, Q2, we expect it to be, you know, if nothing happens, it is seasonally better. And for us, since we have taken out a lot of inventory in the channel, we then start to approach a native demand of $450 million, depending on, you know, how much residue under-shipment that we have in Q2.

So while I cannot tell you the exact numbers, you should generally expect our selling numbers to improve as we go into Q2. You should expect the sell-through numbers to be seasonally better as you approach Q2. Now, other things that are in our favor, we are seeing Europe. I mean Europe dropped to quite a low level. We are seeing Europe starting to pick back up. You know, we are seeing France is back to the level it was before. We are seeing Netherlands, although Netherlands is not back to the original level, it is far from the original levels, but we see incremental progress on a weekly basis. In addition, we have introduced in the last six months, several new products in Italy, UK, Sweden, Denmark and a bunch of other countries, we start to see all of those also kicking in.

As far as non-California states are concerned, we already said, Q4 was stable for non-California compared you know, compared to Q3. So, we think they will, non-California states will also bounce back in Q2. So while I'm not telling you any numbers, I gave you the directional indication that we expect selling numbers to go north. And my assumptions are that sell-through behaves according to the typical seasonality pattern that we have seen. California is of course a wildcard, but we think that, you know, even taking that into account, we expect to do, we expect sell-in numbers or our revenue numbers to go, to go higher sequentially in Q2.

Brian Lee
Analyst at Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC

Appreciate that. That's all super helpful. The second question I had, I'll pass it on is, you know, on the battery storage segment, you know, if I look, the mix is a bit more heavy on battery in 1Q versus 4Q, but you know, your overall ex-IRA margin still holding steady based on the guidance. So it almost seems like you're already seeing better margins on the batteries here in near term. I know you alluded to expansion during the year. Can you kind of give us a sense of, you know, quantification and other numbers question, I guess is to kind of where you're at today and what cadence could look like, as you know, battery, it seems like it's going to move the needle a lot more. Just trying to get a sense for what that margin should opportunity could be as we move through the next several quarters. Thank you.

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Right. The one thing that I did not say in the script, which I will say now is the sell-through of our batteries in Q4 was the highest it has ever been. It was at 140 megawatts hours, 1-4-0, sell-through in Q4. Our sell-in was only 80. You might ask why is your sell-in lagging behind? We'd like to get the channel as low as we possibly can. So therefore, we are getting more conservative. We only guided 70 to 90, but because we want the channel to get cleaned up. So, what is driving that sell-through, if you ask? The answer should be obvious to you based on what I've said. California, I told you, sell-through increased by 58%, just on California, due to the NEM 3.0 attach in California numbers Q4 to Q3, Q3 to Q4.

Also you know, we are seeing good momentum in Europe. We have introduced batteries now to multiple regions. We introduced in June, we introduced to Australia in September, we introduced to the UK, then, we introduced to a bunch of other countries to, along with it, I'm not breaking all of those out. In December, we launched into Italy and we'll start shipping there very soon. So our battery demand, you know I'm happy to say is very robust and what we plan to do is to basically you know, of course, we plan to improve our gross margins. Gross margins, there are three things in gross margins that are obvious. The first two are applicable for our third-generation batteries and the last one is applicable for the fourth-generation batteries. The cell pack costs are coming down rapidly. Our suppliers are offering is very competitive pricing on cell packs, which is definitely moving the needle. That's one.

Number two. For us specifically, we are transforming our supply chain, so that we can make our microinverters for the batteries in the US, while we can have the assembly of the batteries in China. That gives us the best-in-class supply-chain, and that we get IRA benefit of $0.11 or what, you know, multiplied by 640 watts, multiplied by 6. So, for a 5 kilowatt hour battery, that's approximately $75 per kilowatt-hour benefit that we get just for making the microinverters in the US. And we plan to do that.

The third one is an architectural benefit. When we go from the third-generation to the fourth-generation battery, we are, you know, in the third-generation battery, we have six microinverters. We have a Battery Management Board. We have a couple of other boards, the communication Board and an interface boards. So we have nine boards. So those nine words will go down to three boards, because we are integrating battery management and we are making the power conversion with a lot more power. So we're going to have a total of three boards, so nine is becoming three. Our power electronics, therefore, the cost bill of materials that dropping down significantly. And basically from factor-wise, we drop-in the power electronics, the two inverters by the side on two sides of the cell pack; therefore, the form factor certainly becomes very elegant.

So not only the form factor becomes elegant and the fourth generation, the cost also is low, is lower along with taken advantage of the cell back cost, plus the PC, plus the microinverter assembly, I mean microinverter manufacturing in the US. So we are very encouraged that, you know, gross margins on batteries will continuously go north for us. And I think that will reflect positively on overall gross margins.

Operator

The next question comes from Colin Rusch of Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Colin Rusch
Analyst at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

Thanks so much guys. Can you talk a little bit about the opex and the compensation plan going forward here obviously with the lower non-GAAP numbers that you've talked about and the higher charge here? Is that something we should be thinking about on a go-forward basis, or is there, you know, something else going on here that, that we should be attending to?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yeah. Let me give some color and then Mandy can add more there. In December, we basically announced the restructuring where we bid, which affected about 10% of our work, workforce there. And at that time we were running at an opex run rate approximately in the $95 million to $100 million per quarter. Our desire is to drop that non-GAAP opex from that level to a $75 million to $80 million number in the second half of 2024. So we did a few, few changes. We did a lot of, you know, we eliminated a bunch of other spending before we came to people, but then we were forced to take the action on the people front as well.

So all of that is largely behind us and we have taken, you know, Mandy will talk about the charges that we, we are taking on GAAP, et cetera, but all of those are largely behind us and we issued a 8-K in December of 2023. In addition what we did at that time was we announced that we're shutting down Romania as well as Wisconsin. It didn't make sense for us to have 10 million microinverters per quarter and in remaining capacity. And therefore, we worked with our contract manufacturers and we had to be fair to them. And therefore, we essentially reduced our capacity from 10 to approximately 7. And so that's what we did and we announced that change as well.

So Mandy, why don't you elaborate on the --

Mandy Yang
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at Enphase Energy

Sure. Yeah, so our opex reduced from, non-GAAP opex reduced from $99 million in Q3, right to $86 million in Q4, right? And that was before the restructuring effect that, that will come into effect in Q1 and Q2, right, but throughout 2023, we have been reducing discretionary spend, right? And also hiring freeze, right? Even attrition, we don't take field [Phonetic], we only take few of critical ones, right? And that's why we got our opex to reduce from $99 million to $86 million, right? But in December, we implemented a restructuring plan, right? We further reduced our worldwide headcount for that employee and contractor, so right, by 10%. So with that, once those restructuring actions are completed by Q2, we would be at $75 million to $80 million run rate a quarter.

Colin Rusch
Analyst at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

Okay. That's super helpful. And then just from a pricing perspective, you know, you talked about, you know, kind of select discounts for folks in the past. Can you give us a sense of how that's trend in here, even if the list prices are stable? What sort of discounts you're having to offer up to folks? And if there's any sort of dynamics around evolution of the product driving some incremental price benefit for the company?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

No, there is, I said the same last quarter, I say the same now and this has been ever since I took over, this -- you know, we have always had this special pricing adjustment business process. And we do manage that very tightly across the company. And so there has been notably not, not much change in general in the pricing, you know, environment and that should be kind of obvious to see based on our gross margins as well.

Operator

The next question comes from Julien Dumoulin-Smith of Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Analyst at BofA Securities

Hey, good afternoon, and thanks team, and nice inflection. So just in terms of the half million shipments here in 1Q here, can you talk a little bit about how you plan to scale up to the 5 million [Phonetic] capacity? You have obviously issued the 8-K here kind of bringing down overall manufacturing, but can you talk about how you anticipate that ramping here, if you will? And then maybe in tandem with that implicit, how do you see underlying demand trending vis-a-vis kind of returning to that $500 million and then back up to say $700 million what have you?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Right. So, you know just to set context, we shipped approximately 900,000 units from our US factories in Q4. So, why are we going back to 500,000 in Q1? That's the first question to answer. In that, my answer on that one, it's basically we are focused, our, you know, our inventory in terms of dollars, gross value of our inventory is about $200 million, $210 million, roughly. And we think that inventory is high that corresponds to 110 days of inventory, I think. And we think that the number of days of inventory is high. So we are going on a war path to reduce that to best-in-class level. I consider a best-in-class level at 30 days. So we, that's our north star. We are going back to 30 days that means we are going to be ensuring that we don't do any unnecessary manufacturing.

So that's, you know, based on that, you know, our first priority is to get that, set that board right. And so that's why we said, okay, in the first half of the year, we would essentially do whatever it takes to clear the factory inventory and clear the channel. So you should expect lower shipments in the first half. In the second half, which is where if the demand approaches to, let's say, for example, what you talked about the $500 million level that corresponds to approximately 3 million, 3, 3-point, you know, 3-point-something million microinverters. You should expect two-thirds of those microinverters to be made in the US.

And for example, if we get back to that $700 million run rate, whenever it is, maybe in 2025, the you know, we are talking about $4.5 million to $5 million microinverters and you should again expect the same thing, two-thirds of that will be in the United States. So it is a strong function of demand. We have to balance both the factories inside and outside. And our balancing is two-thirds, one-thirds right now.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Analyst at BofA Securities

Right. And maybe just a corresponding follow-up there briefly. Just the 130 million under-ship, when you think about that being split again between US and Europe, you talked about is two-thirds, one-thirds, how do you think about where that under-ship in the dynamic of that inventory being, you know, today and maybe perspective?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yeah, for Q4 that was, I would say roughly, roughly, it was, I would say 50-50 for Q4, between the US and Europe. I think for Q1 it will be more tilted towards, you know, 60-40 US, Europe.

Operator

The next question comes from Philip Shen from ROTH MKM. Please go ahead.

Philip Shen
Analyst at ROTH Capital Partners

Hi, Govind [Phonetic]. Thanks for taking my questions. You highlighted that you think the destocking ends in Q2 now. But prior, you had talked about destocking ending at the end of Q1. And then before that also, by the end of '23. What's the probability and confidence in your call now that the destocking trillions by the end of Q2. I don't know if the answer is different for the US market versus Europe.

And then how does the impact of some of these meaningful shutdowns and bankruptcies impact you guys and your confidence in your ability to say, it's Q2? You know, you've been talking about this $450 million to $500 million normalized run rate, but then, you know, ADT Solar shutdowns, Suntuity, Infinity, Vision, so how does that, those dynamics because, you know, that number $450 million, $500 million back in Q4 of last year when you had the Q3 call, you know, these companies weren't talking about going away or shutting down. So, how does that, how has that impacted you guys? Do you assume that others will just pick up the volume? And then we're also watching closely what happens with the SunPower situation. So, if that goes negative, you know, what are your thoughts on how that can impact Q2? Thanks.

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yeah. As far as the channel is concerned in the October call, that was quite clear, I said, we do expect to under-ship in both Q4 as well as Q1. And that's right and we did not, you know, at that time you were correct. I did say we could normalize in Q2. Now, we executed on what we said for Q4. The 150 [Phonetic], what I said, we did 147 [Phonetic], we expect to do a 130 [Phonetic], we expect to do a much reduced level of under-shipment in Q2. We don't expect to do 130 [Phonetic] in Q2. We expect to do a much much reduced level. So we think the problem will go away for us in Q2, but I was conservative, I didn't tell you by the end of Q2, and we are sticking with that.

The next one, bankruptcies. How do bankruptcies effect? Bankruptcies are definitely causing some friction in the short-term, but I think what will happen, the industry is, is resilient. What happens is the end-customer demand doesn't change. So therefore, it is a matter of time, and it is unfortunate that this happened. However, these can be readily picked up. It might take a quarter. The end, as long as the end-customer demand stays the same, we think other installers will pick it up. We have a diverse group of installers. We have, we work with almost 1,500 installers in the US and so, you know, there is a lot of redundancy there. And so while you are correct, it is, it will cause some short-term friction, but I think that will soon disappear.

Philip Shen
Analyst at ROTH Capital Partners

Got it. Thanks. And then as you think about the difference between the US and European markets, do you think, can you talk about the destocking situation there? When do you think that is done on a blended basis across the countries? And you know, which region feels, do you feel like it's better for a faster recovery, US or Europe? Thanks, Badri.

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

I think at least our data, our forecasting calculation today shows that Europe will be, will recover a little bit earlier by the end of Q1. I think, we should see Europe doing a little better than the US, but I think, you know, both of them should be normalized in Q2.

Operator

The next question will come from Mark Strouse of JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Mark Strouse
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Yes, good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions. I have a follow-up to Phil's question there. Just wondering, if you can dig a bit more into the Netherlands. You mentioned it, I think you said that it's, it's still weak, but it's getting a little bit better every week. When you, when you're talking to your customers in the field, what are their expectations as far as timing of certainty with the policy over there? Then I have a follow-up. Thanks.

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yeah. So basically Netherlands, I have to tell you a story in Netherlands. Essentially, what happened is about three to four, actually six months ago is what I would say, six months ago, the end consumer demand started to go down. And it was kicked off by one of the energy companies charging an export penalty for solar. Company's name is Vandebron. So that caused a lot of fear in customers. The customers are facing, you know, they are suddenly worried about an export penalty for solar.

And also in Netherlands, there is, you know, there is a situation about net metering, hasn't been very clear. When is it going to end? Is it going to continue? And that is, in our meetings, net metering are actually underway as we speak right now with the new government. So will, all of us will hear about that soon. So what we did, we kicked off the new year, January, second week, we had a Solar Next event in Netherlands, where we hosted 800 installers. They all came from across the country. We also hosted a bunch of energy providers. And we also, you know, hosted even the transmission, transmission line operators. And we then basically had all of them talk and we all agreed that Netherlands needs a comprehensive solution that consists of solar plus batteries with energy management software and that will help unlock the full potential of the market.

Netherlands has got roughly about 8 million homes. Today, 2.4 million homes have solar. And the worry is those solar producing homes will cause excessive export and that will be unmanaged, but with intelligent energy management, with the addition of batteries and this can turn into a very, you know, quickly it can turn into very positive, because every home will have solar plus a 10 kilowatt-hour battery with energy management software and the payback is through funds between six years and eight years. So we painted, we painted that picture and we had general alignment with, with all of the stakeholders.

Now, we are following through on all of those with webinars, with actual execution, with our solar graph tool for example, so that homeowners can basically understand the value proposition a lot better. In addition, the situation on net metering is starting to get, you know, will start to get cleared in the next few weeks. So what I'd say, Netherlands is, is that, you know, once again I think we saw the bottom. The bottom I think, I think that was the bottom and then now with the, with what we talked about solar plus batteries, we are also seeing more attach rate of batteries in Netherlands now.

So we, we predict a pickup in both solar and batteries. Of course, we don't have a crystal ball, we could be wrong. We do think net metering decision will come and you know that'll be a big deal. We do have general alignment with the energy providers that as long as there is dynamic tariff, there would be no export penalty, but we do need batteries to manage dynamic tariffs. So I gave you a long answer. But in short, I think you know, once again the bottom I think is behind us. Now, you should see a steady uptick there.

Mark Strouse
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Okay, that's very helpful, Badri, thank you. And then just a real quick follow up. I know you don't break out exactly country by country here, but given the puts and takes between France and Netherlands and Germany, all of these new countries that you're entering into, any generic guidelines that you can provide the Street as far as kind of your major countries, let's just say Netherlands, France, Germany, what they might represent of your business today?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

We don't usually break that out. But in the order of significance, at least for 2023, overall revenue, it has been Netherlands followed by France followed by Germany. That's how it has been. You obviously heard the situation on Netherlands. I think like what I said, it will soon bounce back. We -- as far as France is concerned, we see steady demand in France. Utility rates are increasing in France. So therefore, I mean, already increased last year expected to increase again this year. So we think that's a general positive funds is actually growing in -- our France is flat right now with all of this, and we expect it to grow given the normal seasonality.

The Germany is tricky. Germany, for us, has been hit by a lot of the inventory problems, destocking there. We do have some strong partners. We do have a lot of other distributors buying in various regions in Europe and shipping product into Germany. But one trend we are seeing is that our activations, which is every week, we monitor how many systems got connected to the cloud and whether they have solar plus storage, et cetera. So we are doing quite well that our activations are increasing quarter-on-quarter. So our theory there is installers that are a little more conservative, they are holding on to wireless inventory, but they are doing -- they are basically installing more Enphase. And so we'll see how that play out, how that plays out. The next 2 markets that we care about a lot are Italy and UK.

Italy, basically, it's got about roughly a gigawatt of solar and with about 70%, 80% attach of batteries. Grid tied batteries, single-phase market and just introduce our IQ8 microinverter there, and we launched our batteries as well in December. We expect to start shipping batteries into Italy imminently this quarter. In UK, one more big market, 800 megawatts of solar attach rate of 80% for storage. And once again, it's -- we just entered the market in September, and we expect to continuously grow there. So those are the 5 big markets for us in Europe.

And then the little ones are, of course, Spain, Austria, Switzerland, we are running on improving both microinverters and batteries, there, Greece, Poland, and we'll enter into all of the other countries in Europe. These countries, we already have batteries. Sweden and Denmark, I regard them. Sweden and Denmark, the battery attached in Sweden and Denmark is particularly nice in the last few weeks and months. So we are we're optimistic that Sweden and Denmark represents a nice opportunity as well.

Do you want to add anything, Raghu?

Raghu Belur
Co-founder & Chief Products Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. I think the trend, if you look at -- what we mentioned, the addition, all of these markets transitioning from some have already transitioned solar to solar plus batter means the energy management software becomes a very critical element of it to deliver whatever the use case homeowner desires. But dynamic tariffs, as we mentioned in the Netherlands, really can prove -- can be -- requires sophisticated software to manage a day-ahead tariff and hourly day ahead tariff, but it can bring tremendous amount of value to the homeowners. For example, in a dynamic tariff environment, you could have negative pricing. I mean you have negative pricing, you get paid to charge your battery and charge your EV and turn on your heat book.

In addition, in a lot of these markets, you're seeing grid services programs also come into effect that pay you a lot of money. For example, again, in the Netherlands market because of all the solar that's there, it's a 19-gigawatt grid and there's 19-gigawatts of solar and then there's another 8, 9-gigawatts of wind. There are imbalance issues but an imbalanced market that you can participate in and get paid for either charging your battery or discharging your battery. Similarly, in some of the other markets, there is frequency regulation markets that you can participate in and provide good value to the homeowner because their battery is now basically generating money for you. Same capacity markets in UK are also good markets to participate in grid services. So you're seeing this move from solar plus battery energy management plus grid services is a very compelling movement for value creation for the homeowner. And this trend here, we are going to see happening more and more and happening worldwide.

Operator

The next question comes from Praneeth Satish of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Praneeth Satish
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Thanks. Good evening. So the metric you gave for battery sell-through 140-megawatt hours, it's quite high. I guess as we look to the second half of this year, when you got NEM 3.0 fully under swing and the Netherlands bounces back, do you think battery shipments to increase sequentially each quarter and do you think it's possible to get to 200-megawatt hours of battery shipments by the end of this year?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

I don't have a crystal ball, but generally, yes.

Praneeth Satish
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Okay. Fair enough. And then, I guess, second question here on the C&I market. Just wondering if you could give us an update on the IQ8P introduction, how that's progressing. And there we would see meaningful revenue this year or whether that's a 2025 event?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

You'll see meaningful revenue this year. However, let me step back and tell you about our product and then Raghu can talk a little more. So we introduced the product in the fourth quarter in December. And this is a 480-watt three phase 208 volt market, primarily addressing the US. We think the estimate the market size approximately a gigawatt. And basically, this helps us to service 20 to 200 kilowatts of installation. And we are talking about examples could be schools, it could be hospitals, could be gas stations, could be motels, basically small businesses. So that's the 20 to 200 kilowatts we are talking about. Our product called IQ8P that generates 480 watts of AV. It can service up to 650-watts DC panels. It has got rapid shutdown.

We have per panel monitoring, and, of course, higher quality levels, 25 years of warranty. And there's now, our long-term installers have been asking us for this product because they expect the same quality as the residential product. So therefore, they've been asking us. Now we are able to service it. In addition, we also have the solar graph software, which is the design and proposal software for those commercial installations. So we did ship a non-trivial amount of units already in Q4 '23. However, you should understand this is a business where it's got a little bit longer time, and it's a project-based business.

So therefore, you have multiple parties here in play, which is the building owner, and then he assigns it to program manager, basically employees and installer. So the sale is a little bit longer compared to residential sales. So it will take us more time to establish a pipeline. But what I know is our product will be good. Our product is very high quality like what I said. So we expect to get our fair share of the market. And we also expect our shipments into the channel to be continuously up quarter-on-quarter through the year.

Operator

The next question comes from Eric Stine of Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead.

Eric Stine
Analyst at Craig-Hallum

Hi everyone, so pretty clear from your commentary in the second half, you're expecting to get somewhat back to normal when the sell-in or the under shipments starting to go away. I'm just curious, as you think longer term, I mean, do you see a scenario where you can get back to? I think you mentioned $700 million, those types of levels potentially in '25. I mean is this a market even if the inventory in the channel is cleared? Do you think that growth is possible in a higher interest rate environment? How do you think about things? And I don't guide, but how do you think about things as you get into 2025 first half and second half?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

I mean, that's the hoping where we are starting to diversify our product portfolio rapid. We are planning to introduce -- we already introduced IQ8 microinverters in 21 countries last year. All of us haven't seen those results yet because of the inventory. But once the channel is lean, we should start to see results from all of those countries. So that's one. We plan to introduce even more number of countries in 2024, which is there are still a lot of markets in Europe, Nordics that are untapped. We are going to introduce microinverters there. In addition, there are also countries in Asia that we are going to introduce. So you'll see that.

Next, batteries, you come to batteries. Batteries already topped out the sell-through continuously increasing. Already talked about our product introduction into places like Australia, UK, Italy, these places, we are not that big. And we're going to be introducing batteries into other places as well. India is a big untapped market, for example. So many more places in Asia as well as even, I would say, Latin America, for example. We got a lot of countries there which need both solar and storage. So we are focused on multiple countries for both solar plus storage. In addition, we talked about -- for Europe, we talked about social housing and battery solar. These social housing, for example, is apartment complexes as well as row houses in Netherlands. If the picture each house, having a small system, about 3 kilowatts, 6 panels, 6-panel system and our microinverters shine when it comes to small systems.

Battery solar is another exact entry like Germany, Italy, Austria allow you to export energy into the grid and 800, basically 800-watts of export into the into the grid. And we plan to basically leverage those markets as well. And each of those is a 250-megawatt market. So that will help us address 500-megawatts. In addition, the other thing we talked about is EV chargers. We are planning to introduce EV chargers in a lot of countries in Europe. And as you know, Europe is at the forefront of electric vehicles. So EV car, for example, UK, Netherlands, Germany and France. We will have products in the third quarter that are shipping. Additionally, bidirectional EV chargers. Bidirectional EV chargers, yes, you can argue that the price on an EV charger is under $1,000. But when you have a bidirectional charger, all of a sudden, value is a lot higher.

We are already working on a GaN-based bidirectional chargers, which will interface to the car's battery around 800 volt DC and that will convert DC to AC there. And it will plug in -- it will plug right into our on sample energy management that comes of solar and a home battery. So I talked about microinverters. I talked about batteries, usual markets going into many countries, talked about social housing, balcony solar, talked about EV chargers, which is into Europe as well as bidirectional charges overall. And then the last one is software.

We are going to have energy management software. This is AI-based software, which will do production, consumption forecasting and make the right decisions, particularly when it comes to serving markets with the dynamic tariffs and imbalance. And that is going to be worth quite a bit for customers. So we do expect to have our fair share pay. So of course, we are always looking at how to increase our revenue per home, and that's our focus. But we have a lot more revenues in front of us that we need to execute on.

Eric Stine
Analyst at Craig-Hallum

Okay. Thanks for all the details.

Operator

The next question comes from Christine Cho of Barclays. Please go ahead.

Christine Cho
Analyst at Barclays

Good evening. Thank you for taking my question. I just wanted to get some more color on the Netherlands and these dynamic rates. And I was curious, with the way they're structuring these rates, is there any sort of risk that homeowners might elect to just take a battery and no solar system to play the arbitrage in rate. And could you give us an idea of how much better the payback is for solar plus storage versus just storage under the dynamic rate structure? And then just with how things are progressing there, is there any real reason why anyone would buy a solar system without a battery at this point?

Raghu Belur
Co-founder & Chief Products Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. So you have to look at the intent, the Dutch market is really very, very focused on converting to renewable. So if we see the solar plus battery to be the predominant market. Of course, there may be some corner cases where we may see people pure doing it for arbitrage purposes, but we primarily see the market to be that battery gets associated with solar. It could be battery plus solar, sorry, solar plus battery plus EV charger plus heat pump and all of that managed by, as Badri mentioned in artificial intelligence and machine learning-based energy management software. So we don't see in the future that there'll be any system that would be solar only, it would be storage only or solar only as well. We expect that it will always be an energy system, and that's the transition that the Netherlands market would also undergo very quickly.

And by managing dynamic tariffs, which you need very sophisticated software to do because it's a day-ahead market and the rate is going to change on an hourly basis, you need very good forecasting of both production as well as consumption. You need to be able to manage all of that. You need to be able to steer, when am I going to charge my battery? When am I going to discharge my battery? When I'm going to charge my EV soon? When am I going to be able to discharge my EV? Manage heat pump, buy and sell energy from the grid. All of that is done by that sophisticated software that we have. And layer on top of that, grid services to participation in an advanced market. This is a direction in which the entire Dutch market will move towards, but always solar will be a key element of it because that's the intent.

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Right. And to add a little bit more is solar plus battery self consumption, the payback, let's say, in a world without net metering. That payback will be around 8 to 9 years. And then you add on the savings due to dynamic tariffs where the batteries can help, batteries as well as solar can help manage the situation. That will reduce the payback by a year or so. Then your imbalance also has the capability and balance management also has the capability to reduce that payback further down by a year or 2. So you get to have a very nice payback, which is 6 years -- 6 to 7 years with solar plus batteries and software gives you good payback. And the good thing is if you have net metering, those numbers will get even better.

Christine Cho
Analyst at Barclays

Okay. And then part of the issue of the slowdown in the California recovery is because California installers don't know how to install the batteries. And California homes are bigger, and I suppose there are more rules here around the batteries and placement, which also a complexity. The Netherlands homes are much smaller. And from what I understand, the rules there are so lax around the permitting solar. So I can't imagine that they're going to be that different for storage. But should we think that the actual installation for batteries is easier there and less of an off school as it has been in California? And given I don't think they really should we think that the batteries and installations will be primarily for load shifting?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

And it's exactly that, meaning there isn't too many outages in Netherlands at all. So right now, if you look at many countries in Europe, they will all talk about only grid-type batteries. These batteries do not need back up. Of course, we offer backup as well. It is what the customer wants, but the customers have been asking of better batteries. Retail batteries have simpler in a sense, you don't need to be about backup panel and all that. It is like installing solar. Trade batteries are not in the path of power, like solar. If you want to do backup, you have to insert a switch in between the utility and the home. And so all of that is not required. It is simply an economical place here.

And essentially, it stores energy and you can discharge it for use later. So yes, I mean -- and also, the homes are small. As you rightly pointed out, the battery sizes may be between 5 and 10 kilowatt. The sweet spot could be something like a 5-kilowatt hour battery for all the installations and the attach rates in Netherlands could be very high, 80% to 90% at 5-kilowatt per hour, which is not a big dent in the pocket, but enough to basically have the energy companies feel happy, okay, the customers have a way to manage and not export solar all the time in an unmanaged fashion.

Operator

The next question comes from Jordan Levy of Truist. Please go ahead.

Jordan Levy
Analyst at Truist Financial

Good afternoon all and thanks for all the detail. Maybe just to start quickly on US battery manufacturing side. And you may have touched on this, but just to get a sense of how we should think about the trending for margins on the battery side versus micros once you start to bring on that US manufacturing capacity later this year?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. Today, our -- I mean, today, our supply chain is predominantly in China, and we assemble our batteries there. Going forward, our supply chain will have 2 parts. One will still have one with the best-in-class cost structure will have, basically the assembly of the battery in China with microinverters made in the United States. So that will help us because the microinverters are made here. The other is the entire battery is assembled in the US, including the microinverters, obviously. And the latter one, we plan to have it in the third quarter of 2024. And of course, some customers, especially the EPO customers will have the benefit of getting an additional 10% long as we meet the domestic content requirement which we plan to meet. So -- and we expect to get -- we expect to have a slight premium there to compensate for the cost of assembly in the US. So I think either both parts will have similar gross margins in my mind, but it will all continuously improve as our cell packs get lower cost and our microinverters are manufactured in the US.

Jordan Levy
Analyst at Truist Financial

Appreciate that. And just a quick follow-up. Along those same lines, you've been a big pioneer in increasing US manufacturing capacity. This is a question that will come up probably a lot over the next 12 months. But or less, but out of the election in November. I just wanted to get your thoughts as it relates to an existential threats to the IRA or any of the components of the IRA as we approach the election?

Raghu Belur
Co-founder & Chief Products Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. Obviously, we don't have a crystal ball to predict who is going to win elections. But to some extent, we don't think it will matter because at the end of the day, this is about creating jobs. And investments and both of which we have done, given our factories both here in -- the 2 factories here in the US, both in South Carolina as well as in Texas.

Operator

The next question comes from Kashy Harrison of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Kashy Harrison
Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Good afternoon, and thank you for taking the questions. So the first one, just a quick follow-up on the comment you made earlier. I think you said half of your activations in January were for NEM 3.0. Can you give us a sense of what the NEM 2.0 mix of sell-through was in 4Q? And then when do you expect an NEM 2.0 backlog to run out completely?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. I mean, I leaned in a little bit and gave you the numbers in January. Those correspond those. When I say system activation, this one is even further. It is not -- it is sell-through happens when distributors sell to installers. Activations means those installers finish installation, and it goes up on roofs. What I gave you was we see homes coming up on our less software platform. And we are able to clearly say how many of them are NEM 2.0, how many of them are NEM 3.0. So in January, 50% of them where NEM 3.0, 50% of them, therefore, were NEM 2.0. If you ask me what is that ratio in the prior quarter, I don't know, but my guess is it was approximately 70-30, 70% NEM 2.0 and 30% NEM 3.0 in the prior quarter Q4. And in Q1, I expect it to be more like 50-50.

Kashy Harrison
Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Got it. Helpful. And then just a quick follow-up question. In your discussions with your distributors, has there been any indication whatsoever that they may want to hold less inventory on hand moving forward versus the 8 to 10 weeks they used to previously. And really, the root of the question just stems from the fact that a lot before you were shipping a bunch of stuff to the US from India. You have longer lead times, given you're going across the ocean. That changes once Texas and top line ramp and become 2/3 of your shipments. And so I'm wondering if simplistically, shorter lead times means less inventory from a distributor perspective?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

That's correct. It does mean -- and at the end of the day, look, I mean we need end customer demand at the end of the day. Distributors are definitely a critical part of the equation, but we need the investor demand. So anything that shortens the cycle time is actually good for us. Anything that compresses the overall cycle time, which your manufacturing will do is good for us because then there is -- inventory doesn't have a lot of money on it. And so we think that's what you pointed out will be a net positive for us once we come out of this.

Operator

The next question will come from Andrew Percoco of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Andrew Percoco
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Great. Thanks so much for taking the question. Maybe just if you can maybe elaborate or give us an update on your SunPower contracted exclusivity there. I think it was set to end of -- the end of March here. So if you could just provide an update in terms of how those negotiations are going and maybe what's baked into your guidance in terms of run rate revenue for 2024 as it relates to that contract?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. I mean we have enjoyed our contract with SunPower for the last 5 years almost. It is going to come to a close in Q1. And of course, we are in discussion with them. And I'll just leave it at that. I don't want to comment on any revenue. We don't comment on the new associated with one customer like that. All of those decisions are confidential. But if there is something that gets finalized, you will know.

Andrew Percoco
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Fair enough. And then maybe just one housekeeping item. Badri, in your prepared remarks, you mentioned 50% of your customers under NEM are using your battery. But I think you also said the industry data is showing battery or attach rates of close to 80%. So can you maybe just comment on what's driving that delta and maybe how you can get a higher attach rate for your battery specifically on those NEM 3.0 customers?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Right. So basically, that's right. The -- in general, the attach rate of an NEM 3.0 solar system is 80% according to the industry data. So attachment to our solar system. In the past, for NEM 2.0, for example, for NEM 2.0 was about 10%. And that has increased now to 50% with -- because it just makes sense to add a battery. That's why we set our sell-through numbers became higher by -- improved by 58% compared to the prior quarter. Now -- your question is why Enphase market share not 100%. Why aren't all in Enphase solar installations having Enphase battery because customers have a choice, ours is an AC coupled system. And therefore, we have batteries that can tie into the AC coupled system. However, the situation is still a net positive for us because the 10% battery attach is now a 50% attach rate. And we are constantly working on having this data and getting not the 50%.

Raghu Belur
Co-founder & Chief Products Officer at Enphase Energy

I think we are doing a lot of work in improving the product. If you look at, both in terms of ease of installation, commissioning, serviceability, et cetera, and with our 3 gets better, our 4 gets even better, including it's a very simple product to install, as Badri mentioned, the form factor is such that, it just makes it much easier to install. So we win the rest of the business as we go, as we continue to make not only hardware product improvements, but also all of the software improvements that we are making. Both of those mean that we will win more of our business.

Operator

The next question comes from Joseph Osha of Guggenheim Partners. Please go ahead.

Joseph Osha
Analyst at Guggenheim Partners

Hi, thanks, everyone. Two quick questions. First, talking about storage, you used to talk a lot about commissioning challenges in the time that was older it seems like that's gotten better. But -- and I'm just wondering, if we look at -- look at developers and we think about cost installation difficulties, exploiting things to the consumer. What do you think the real biggest challenges are right now in terms of selling storage, especially in California?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. I mean batteries are hard to sell. First of all, they add cost to our system. I mean a high interest rate environment, people think twice about adding them. Then second is batteries are messy. It is like, for example, if you have to do a full back up, you do have to plan for it properly and you cannot short change design. It should be a very high-quality product. It should -- because when power goes, the batteries, the battery company is the utility company. So batteries are tough to do probably, also when there is a problem with the battery servicing is tough you have to get it off the wall. You have to ship it to the installer. Installer has to contact the supplier. Supplier has to ship a replacement, installer has to come back. So for installers, it's very difficult. And they have truck rolls, many truck rules on batteries, more than inverters, more than solar.

So what we have tried to do in our third-generation battery and that is why our battery sales are picking up, is we have tried to take that in account. First of all, the commissioning experience is a lot simpler. So under an hour, commission it. Second, if you want to use the battery in a grid environment even simpler, but it can be used for backup to. The third one, which is a very important one is 90% of the time, the batteries can be serviced in situ. In situ means on the wall, while the battery is still on the wall, which means the common problems that we see, very rarely, you see a problem with the cell pack. Problems commonly that we see are with battery management and power electronics.

For us, all of them are service and board, which means a $40 board get out and the new $40 board comes in. And our field service people, emphases, field service people are there, and we have 100 of them. And basically, they are there and they take that off the installers, especially in a critical time line is you don't want the installer to do the service, you want the company responsible, which is Enphase here. Any issues, we take care of. It's that installment can. So serviceability is becoming a big differentiator. So with our third-generation battery which is the one that we are shipping today in volume. All of those are best-in-class, commissioning, the quality of the batteries, the serviceability of the batteries, the modularity, we have 5-kilowatt hours. It's an LSP battery, lithium ion phosphate with UL 9540A is just a better battery on all fronts.

Joseph Osha
Analyst at Guggenheim Partners

And just as a clarification -- I'm sorry, go ahead. I'm sorry.

Raghu Belur
Co-founder & Chief Products Officer at Enphase Energy

In addition -- we also have our design proposal tool solar graph that upfront allows the installer to do a very, very good design for the -- whatever the homeowners expectations are in terms of payback period and on cost, et cetera, you can really fine-tune the design of the solar plus battery system and generates a proposal. It takes it a step further. We can do single -- we do single-line diagrams, permit plant generation, everything out of this tool. So it's an end-to-end solution that we are providing the homeowner, everything from design to installation, the ease of installation, visibility and really good customer service, and that's what it's going to take for broad white tail adoption of fiber, and you're seeing that happening. I think it's being reflected in the numbers we shared.

Joseph Osha
Analyst at Guggenheim Partners

Okay. And then just as a follow-on to that, I guess my question is stipulating that you all have fix the product issues, which clearly you have, does there need to be some kind of augmented effort to educate dealers and maybe bring them back into the fold if they've gotten their fingers burned trying to sell batteries in the past or is just saying, hey, we've got a good product, now trust us? Is that enough?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

So yes, absolutely. It's not enough. We have to do a lot more. We have to do the events such as what we did in Netherlands. It's got to be done higher frequency because the NEM 3.0 experience is telling us that we don't need to help in whatever way we can. And we are going to do exactly that. We have our sales, I mean our team actually listening to our installers and their salespeople, we are we can do a lot more there in terms of simplifying our software so that we can really make sure that the selling at the kitchen table becomes a lot easier. And that's what we are going to do in the next few months.

Operator

The next question comes from Gus Richard of Northland. Please go ahead.

Gus Richard
Analyst at Northland Securities

Yes, thanks for taking the question. I just had, first of all, on gross margin, you guided down about 500 basis points sequentially. And I was just wondering, is that a function of mix? Or is it a function of underutilization? Or is it something else?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

It's a function of mix and some underutilization reflected.

Gus Richard
Analyst at Northland Securities

Okay. Can you sort of allocate to those two or?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

No, we are not breaking down numbers. You can see our microinverters is basically down compared to the prior quarter. So basically primarily attributed to that.

Gus Richard
Analyst at Northland Securities

Fair enough. And then moving forward, you've got a number of cost downs coming in, in for battery and moving to GaN, IQ9, et cetera. I was wondering if you could just talk about how those new products and cost down sort of roll into the model over the next couple of quarters? And what, if any, impact we'll have on gross margin? And that's for me.

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. I talked about the 3 things on batteries. Once again, just to refresh, cell pack costs are coming down. Microinverters are going to be made in America and then go into batteries. So that supply chain is going to become best-in-class. The third is the first two are for all our batteries. The third is specifically for the fourth-generation, which has improved architecture degrading power conversion, battery management. These 3 initiatives should take the battery gross margins up not in a very nice fashion. In the other one, you talked about GaN-based, GaN-based product for us. Again, we are essentially looking to release in our next generation inverter that's called IQ9. IQ9, at this point, we are thinking of 2 power storage and approximately 427-watts of AC and 540-watts of AC. And the challenge for us, and that's a challenge to the team is to basically get cost structure of the 427-watt product to actually be smaller than the product we are shipping today, which is IQ8 product.

And we think it is possible because of one particular innovation there is along with GaN, we have something called as BBS, bidirectional GaN. So today, we use 4 silicon transistors at the output stage. And that can go into 2 GaN because they are bidirectional. So therefore, GaN can actually -- even if GaN transistors themselves, the overall cost of those transistors may be the same as silicon even if that is the case, GaN comes with a lot of other advantages. Like for example, your transformers can now become a lot smaller. If you run your sets at a higher frequency. So in general, the inverter can get smaller. And the challenge for us is how do you pack, power 427-megawatt power into the same fun factor as IQ8 with the reduced cost structure compared to IQ8, that will allow us to make a lot of money, plus make those inverters in the US.

Operator

The next question comes from Moses Sutton of BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Moses Sutton
Analyst at BNP Paribas

Hi, thanks for fitting me in. So Badri, I'm just the sell through in channel correction points as well as your answer with sale. What are your thoughts on the still shifting demand? So it looks like -- if you look at the front-end data, are still states where demand is still dropping in real time, like even into January and pricing for loans and leases haven't at least changed to inflect organic market growth. How do you pull that together when you're thinking through your comments specifically for 2H?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. I mean, look, we all know that there is seasonality factor from non-California states. But the fact of the matter is at least our data non-California states have -- if you look at Q4 versus Q3, they're flat in terms of microinverters. And we think they will bounce back coming off the seasonality. That's what we think. And then I already talked about the puts and takes on why we think Europe will also move continuously not because they are at the bottom right now. California is, of course, a wildcard. But there, you see -- I think our downside will be limited because, as I told you, the revenue of a NEM 3.0 system, is roughly 1.5x that of an NEM 2.0 system for us, considering the attach we are seeing. So I think in general, of course, if I could be wrong, if Q2 doesn't recover seasonally, but that's not what we have seen in the past.

Raghu Belur
Co-founder & Chief Products Officer at Enphase Energy

Look, we -- at that time, we will analyze the data in front of us. But look, that's the way we break out for you, gross margin without IRA and gross margin with IRA because we never want to -- we want to be straight with the gross margin. The native gross margin of the business. That's why we break it out. So if it doesn't make sense, they can now make a lead to manufacture here that we have the same 2 contract manufacturers worldwide. And our lines can be shipped anywhere in the world. Of course, it is tough and we will work with the contract manufacturer in terms of the labor, et cetera, and it is tough and we'll do the right thing there. But if the economics are there, we will not be here.

Operator

The next question comes from Maheep Mandloi of Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Maheep Mandloi
Analyst at Mizuho

Hey, thanks for squeezing me in as well. Just a question on the gross margin. So it looks like the gross margins, excluding 45x is more or less in line quarter-over-quarter. But I guess the biggest deal is coming from the 45x tax credits in the quarter. Is that just a refection of lower US shipments? Or anything specific to kind of read into that on Q1 guidance?

Mandy Yang
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. Based on the Q1 guidance, our non-GAAP gross margin before IRA benefit is more or less in line with Q4 actual. But with IRA benefit non-GAAP gross margin dropped by 5 points, 100% attributable to the IRA units. We plan to ship only 500,000 units in Q1 and that translates into about $13 million be a reduction in Q1 versus Q4, and that $13 million is about 5 points.

Maheep Mandloi
Analyst at Mizuho

Got it. And on the IRA benefits, I'm not sure if this was asked, but is it -- can you talk about like if you can get the benefit on the micro inverters added in the IQ batteries going forward?

Raghu Belur
Co-founder & Chief Products Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes, that's our expectation that the microinverters as long as they are manufactured here in the US will also get the same benefits.

Operator

The next question comes from Tristan Richardson of Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Tristan Richardson
Analyst at Scotiabank

Hi, good evening, guys. Just one for me. We'll keep it brief. Badri, I know quarter in and quarter out, you make it clear that there's always competition. I know earlier in your prepared comments, you said market share has been -- have been stable. Can you just talk about this concept of component integration. If a competing battery that has an integrated central solar inverter, do you see any sort of threat in some of these high attached geographies where you could see a shift in preference over power architecture?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. I'm going to have Raghu analyze it.

Raghu Belur
Co-founder & Chief Products Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. So we have said this before as well, competition is not new for us. We've been in a very competitive environment since the inception of the company. Typically, we've been in a very tough competitive environment when it comes to fighting against string inverters or centralized topology. So these are the kind of competitions we actually like. We have a very strong value proposition, vis-a-vis centralized strong inverter topologies. The better performance, much higher reliability, much simpler to design, install and maintain as well as safety, not having any high voltage DC in our system. Now they added sophistication of our system with solar integration of solar, batteries, EV chargers, heat pumps, and all the energy management software that we layer on top of that creates a better month.

So this is not just out widget sale or a piece of hardware. This is now a complete solution sale. Furthermore, the solution means you need to have upfront design tools, which can help the installer design appropriate system for the homeowner. Of course, make it very simple plug-and-play to install. And then on the other hand, provide good customer service for serviceability so that the homeowner is taking to. So competition is not new, particularly competition against centralized topologies is absolutely not new. We have been -- we have honed our skills on that. But we are also very aware and paranoid about competition. So we make sure that we are continually improving our product.

Tristan Richardson
Analyst at Scotiabank

Great. Appreciate it, Raghu.

Operator

The next question comes from Vik Bagri of Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Vik Bagri
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Good evening, everyone. Really 2 quick questions. I wanted to ask about pricing slightly differently. You say a market share opportunity that you, guys, see with you holding stronger margin than your peers and room to sacrifice some of that margin to more permanent discounts than SBAs especially, Badri, you talked about new markets, Italy and launching batteries in India, do you see that as an opportunity to gain more market share rapidly. And then both broadly, is there anything else on your radar that may make you rethink pricing, is that -- is it just competition and more sort of like cost cuts -- company cost cuts that will drive pricing? Or if there's anything else on your radar that could change your view on pricing?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. It's a question I keep getting asked, we price products, we've done value. Value means pricing is the next best alternative plus the value we generate on profit. We don't generate value, then yes, I mean we are a commodity product. So that's not what our intention is. We have a differentiating value proposition. Microinverters its quality, its service reliability. It is superior for power production performance. And in batteries, we are getting there. So high quality for me is high priced right, we have the ability to demand the premium. And in microinverters, as you can see, even with those high prices, we -- our market share is very healthy. So I don't believe that we need to drop pricing in order to gain market share. You need to have the product that solves the customer problems at the end of the day. You need to take care of customers will and then reward you by paying you the premium that you deserve. So that's our philosophy, and we intend to stick to that.

Vik Bagri
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Thank you. And the next question maybe for Mandy. I was wondering how you're thinking about use of cash and intrinsic value here, $100 million of buybacks if price is significantly below $100 million given where the trading, should we expect buybacks to meaningfully slow down? Or could you still look to offset these e-based compensation dilution through buybacks in forthcoming quarters? Thank you.

Mandy Yang
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at Enphase Energy

Sure. So Q4, we said we already buyback $100 million, right, per share. A quarter before, we bought $110 million at $130 per share, right? Q1, we plan to do similar magnitude of share buyback. As soon as we believe our share price is below the intrinsic value, right, we are very disciplined in doing share buyback. Every quarter, we look at the current share price and then we propose for the Board to approve and we execute.

Operator

The next question comes from Pavel Molchanov of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Pavel Molchanov
Analyst at Raymond James

Thanks for taking the question. Just one for me as well. It's been about a year since you last made an acquisition, as I recall, it was one of the software developers. Can you talk about how you're thinking about M&A? And specifically, are there some quasi distressed opportunities in the current environment that perhaps are more interesting than before?

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. We have -- you are correct. We have made some reasonable acquisitions. Solar graph is an example of one. The permitting services is one. EV charging is one. And we are working on all of them. So we're careful about choosing what we want. And then we try to make them an integral part of the system. So what are the opportunities like that. And we constantly keep looking for those is the key places where we would look for is, I mean, okay. First of all, what we are not going to be looking for is we are not an installer. So therefore, we don't buy installation company. We are a technology player. So then for example, on microinverters, we have the necessary IP. We aren't going to do -- going to look for anything outside. In places such as home energy management software, there's always opportunity for us, especially, leveraging AI and ML talent to make -- to accelerate our progress there because I think energy management software will be in the next frontier. That's one that we are always looking for opportunities.

The other is on batteries, of course, innovative technologies on batteries, batteries getting better, more reliable, more energy density becoming not higher. That's, of course, an area that we continuously look at. So the ones that are on our radar right now. But we look at a lot of companies and when we make some decisions on those you'll know. But we are very disciplined. We don't do -- we don't just buy companies because we have cash. Those companies need to fit into our company well. They need to be bolt-on acquisitions, what we like. And we care about integration a lot. That's important for us. There is an opportunity and a match we'll move, and you'll know.

Pavel Molchanov
Analyst at Raymond James

Thanks very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Austin Moeller of Canaccord. Please go ahead.

Austin Moeller
Analyst at Canaccord Genuity Group

Hi, good evening. Just a question for me here. I say in the US market, if interest rates fall by 50 to 100 basis points this year, do you a see more demand of combined orders from microinverters with batteries? Or do you expect the initial demand will primarily be for microinverters? Thank you.

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

I think in the non-California states, it will obviously be for microinverters because the battery attach is small. But in California, it will move the needle for both microinverters and batteries.

Austin Moeller
Analyst at Canaccord Genuity Group

Great. Thanks for the color.

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Thank you.

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Badri Kothandaraman for any closing remarks.

Badrinarayanan Kothandaraman
President & Chief Executive Officer at Enphase Energy

Yes. Thank you for joining us today and for your continued support of Enphase. We look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Bye.

Operator

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