Valero Energy Q4 2023 Earnings Report

Valero Energy EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $3.55
• Consensus EPS: $2.95
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.60
• One Year Ago EPS: $8.45

Valero Energy Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $35.41 billion
• Expected Revenue: $34.76 billion
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$654.01 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: -15.20%

Valero Energy Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q4 2023
• Date: 1/25/2024
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024
• Conference Call Time: 10:00AM ET

Valero Energy (NYSE:VLO) is an international energy company headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. Its primary business is refining crude oil into transportation fuels and other products, including gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, asphalt, lubricants and petrochemical feedstocks.

Valero operates refineries and related facilities in the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom, and markets its products through wholesale and commercial channels in North America and other international markets. The company also exports refined petroleum products and supplies customers in the transportation, industrial and energy sectors.

In addition to conventional refining, Valero produces ethanol and renewable diesel and has expanded its lower-carbon fuels operations, including sustainable aviation fuel initiatives. The company was formed in 1980 and takes its name from the former Valero Energy Corporation, a subsidiary of Coastal States Gas Corporation. Valero is publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol VLO.

Valero Energy Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Valero delivered record Q4 and full-year adjusted earnings (excluding 2022), achieving its best-ever 97.4% refining availability, record environmental performance, and a wholesale sales volume of ~1 MMbpd.
• The DGD Sustainable Aviation Fuel project at Port Arthur remains on schedule for Q1 2025 completion, with Valero’s $157.5 MM stake expected to make DGD one of the largest SAF producers globally.
• In Q4 Valero returned 73% of adjusted net cash from operations to shareholders (60% for FY 2023) and its board approved a 5% increase in the quarterly dividend.
• Net income in Q4 2023 fell to $1.2 B ($3.55/share) from $3.1 B ($8.15) in Q4 2022, and refining cash operating expenses rose above guidance to $4.99/bbl.
• For 2024 Valero plans approximately $2 B of capital investments—$1.6 B for sustaining efforts and the balance split evenly between low-carbon fuels and refining growth projects.

Presentation

[Operator]

Greetings, and welcome to Valero Energy Corp fourth quarter 2023 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Homer Bhullar, Vice President, Investor Relations and Finance. Thank you. You may begin.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Valero Energy Corporation's fourth quarter 2023 earnings conference call. With me today are Lane Riggs, our CEO and President, Jason Fraser, our Executive Vice President and CFO, Gary Simmons, our Executive Vice President and COO, and several other members of Valero's senior management team. If you have not received the earnings release and would like a copy, you can find one on our website at investor.valero.com. Also, attached to the earnings release are tables that provide additional financial information on our business segments and reconciliations and disclosures for adjusted financial metrics mentioned on this call. If you have any questions after reviewing these tables, please feel free to contact our investor relations team after the call. I would now like to direct your attention to the forward-looking statement disclaimer contained in the press release.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

In summary, it says that statements in the press release and on this conference call that state that companies or management's expectations or predictions of the future are forward-looking statements intended to be covered by the safe harbor provisions under federal securities laws. There are many factors that could cause actual results to differ from our expectations, including those we've described in our earnings release and filings with the SEC. Now, I'll turn the call over to Lane for opening remarks.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

Thank you, Homer, and good morning, everyone. We're pleased to report strong financial results for the fourth quarter and the full year. With the exception of our 2022 results, we delivered the highest fourth quarter and full year adjusted earnings in company's history in 2023, demonstrating the earnings capability of our portfolio. Our refining system achieved 97.4% mechanical availability in 2023, which is our best ever. We also set a record for environmental performance and matched our previous record for process safety, illustrating the benefit from our long-standing commitment to safe, reliable and environmentally responsible operations. Through organic growth of our wholesale system, we set an annual record for sales volume in 2023 of approximately 1 million barrels per day, demonstrating the strength of our branded and wholesale marketing network.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

We continue to pursue strategic projects that enhance the earnings capability of our business and expand our long-term competitive advantage. The DGD Sustainable Aviation Fuel, or SAF project at Port Arthur, remains on schedule with completion expected in the first quarter of 2025 for a total of $315 million, half of that attributable to Valero. With the completion of this project, DGD is expected to become one of the largest manufacturers of SAF in the world. In addition, we are pursuing shorter cash cycle projects that optimize and capitalize on opportunities to improve margins around our existing refining assets. On the financial side, we continue to honor our commitment to shareholders. We returned 72% of adjusted net cash provided by operating activities to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases in the fourth quarter, resulting in a 60% payout ratio for 2023.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

Last week, our board approved a 5% increase in the quarterly cash dividend. Looking ahead, we expect refining margins to remain supported by tight product supply and demand balances. In the near term, product inventories ahead of the summer driving season are expected to be constrained, with heavy industry-wide turnaround activity in the first quarter, providing support to refining margins. Long term, we expect global demand growth to exceed product supply despite new refinery startups. In closing, our team's simple strategy of pursuing excellence in operations, return-driven discipline on growth projects, and a demonstrated commitment to shareholder returns has driven our success and positions us well for the future. With that, Homer, I'll hand the call back to you.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

Thanks, Lane. For the fourth quarter of 2023, net income attributable to Valero stockholders was $1.2 billion, or $3.55 per share, compared to $3.1 billion, or $8.15 per share for the fourth quarter of 2022. Fourth quarter 2022 adjusted net income attributable to Valero stockholders was $3.2 billion, or $8.45 per share. For 2023, net income attributable to Valero stockholders was $8.8 billion, or $24.92 per share, compared to $11.5 billion, or $29.04 per share in 2022.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

2023 adjusted net income attributable to Valero stockholders was $8.8 billion, or $24.90 per share, compared to $11.6 billion, or $29.16 per share in 2022. The refining segment reported $1.6 billion of operating income for the fourth quarter of 2023, compared to $4.3 billion for the fourth quarter of 2022. Refining throughput volumes in the fourth quarter of 2023 averaged 3 million barrels per day. Throughput capacity utilization was 94% in the fourth quarter of 2023.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

Refining cash operating expenses were $4.99 per barrel in the fourth quarter of 2023, higher than guidance of $4.60, primarily due to an environmental regulatory reserve adjustment in the West Coast. Renewable diesel segment operating income was $84 million for the fourth quarter of 2023, compared to $261 million for the fourth quarter of 2022. Renewable diesel sales volumes averaged 3.8 million gallons per day in the fourth quarter of 2023, which was 1.3 million gallons per day higher than the fourth quarter of 2022. The higher sales volumes in the fourth quarter of 2023 were due to the impact of additional volumes from the DGD Port Arthur plant, which started up in the fourth quarter of 2022.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

Operating income was lower than the fourth quarter of 2022, due to lower renewable diesel margin in the fourth quarter of 2023. The ethanol segment reported $190 million of operating income for the fourth quarter of 2023, compared to $7 million for the fourth quarter of 2022. Adjusted operating income was $205 million for the fourth quarter of 2023, compared to $69 million for the fourth quarter of 2022. Ethanol production volumes averaged 4.5 million gallons per day in the fourth quarter of 2023, which was 448,000 gallons per day higher than the fourth quarter of 2022. Adjusted operating income was higher than the fourth quarter of 2022, primarily as a result of higher production volumes and lower corn prices in the fourth quarter of 2023.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

For the fourth quarter of 2023, G&A expenses were $295 million, and net interest expense was $149 million. G&A expenses were $998 million in 2023. Depreciation and amortization expense was $690 million, and income tax expense was $331 million for the fourth quarter of 2023. The effective tax rate was 22% for 2023. Net cash provided by operating activities was $1.2 billion in the fourth quarter of 2023. Included in this amount was a $631 million unfavorable impact from working capital and $65 million of adjusted net cash provided by operating activities associated with the other joint venture member's share of DGD. Excluding these items, adjusted net cash provided by operating activities was $1.8 billion in the fourth quarter of 2023.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

Net cash provided by operating activities in 2023 was $9.2 billion. Included in this amount was a $2.3 billion unfavorable impact from working capital and $512 million of adjusted net cash provided by operating activities associated with the other joint venture members' share of DGD. Excluding these items, adjusted net cash provided by operating activities in 2023 was $11 billion. Regarding investing activities, we made $540 million of capital investments in the fourth quarter of 2023, of which $460 million was for sustaining the business, including costs for turnarounds, catalysts, and regulatory compliance, and the balance was for growing the business.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

Excluding capital investments attributable to the other joint venture members' share of DGD, capital investments attributable to Valero were $506 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, and $1.8 billion for 2023. Moving to financing activities, we returned $1.3 billion to our stockholders in the fourth quarter of 2023, of which $346 million was paid as dividends, and $966 million was for the purchase of approximately 7.5 million shares of common stock, resulting in a payout ratio of 73% for the quarter. As Lane mentioned, this results in a payout ratio of 60% for the year. Through share repurchases, we reduced our share count by approximately 11% in 2023, and by 19% since year-end 2021.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

With respect to our balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $9.2 billion of total debt, $2.3 billion of finance lease obligations, and $5.4 billion of cash and cash equivalents. The debt-to-capitalization ratio, net of cash and cash equivalents, was 18% as of December 31, 2023, and we ended the quarter well-capitalized with $5.3 billion of available liquidity, excluding cash. Turning to guidance, we expect capital investments attributable to Valero for 2024 to be approximately $2 billion, which includes expenditures for turnarounds, catalysts, regulatory compliance, and joint venture investments. About $1.6 billion of that is allocated to sustaining the business and the balance to growth, with approximately half of the growth capital towards our low-carbon fuel businesses and half towards refining projects. Our low-carbon fuels growth capital is primarily for the SAF project.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

Our refining growth projects aim to increase our crude flexibility in the Gulf Coast, extract more value out of some of our conversion unit capacity, improve our access to some key product markets, and improve our logistics into or out of our refineries. All of these projects meet or exceed our minimum return threshold of 25% after-tax IRR. For modeling our first quarter operations, we expect refining throughput volumes to fall within the following ranges: Gulf Coast at 1.52-1.57 million barrels per day, which includes turnaround work on the legacy coker at our Port Arthur refinery.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

Mid-Continent at 415,000-435,000 barrels per day, West Coast at 235,000-255,000 barrels per day, and North Atlantic at 435,000-455,000 barrels per day. We expect refining cash operating expenses in the first quarter to be approximately $5.10 per barrel, reflecting lower throughput due to turnaround activity across our system. With respect to the renewable diesel segment, we expect sales volumes to be approximately 1.2 billion gallons in 2024. Operating expenses in 2024 should be $0.45 per gallon, which includes $0.18 per gallon for non-cash costs such as depreciation and amortization. Our ethanol segment is expected to produce 4.5 million gallons per day in the first quarter.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

Operating expenses should average $0.37 per gallon, which includes $0.05 per gallon for non-cash costs such as depreciation and amortization. For the first quarter, net interest expense should be about $150 million, and total depreciation and amortization expense should be approximately $700 million. For 2024, we expect G&A expenses to be approximately $975 million. That concludes our opening remarks. Before we open the call to questions, please adhere to our protocol of limiting each turn in the Q&A to two questions. If you have more than two questions, please rejoin the queue as time permits to ensure other callers have time to ask their questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad at this time. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question today is coming from John Royall of J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.

[John Royall, Executive Director at J.P. Morgan]

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Good morning.

[John Royall, Executive Director at J.P. Morgan]

My first question is on the macro side, just on light heavies. LLS-Maya has risen all the way to around $10 from about $6 beginning of the quarter. Yet we still have OPEC being restrictive in terms of production. Can you talk about the drivers of the widening of Gulf Coast heavy diffs and how you see them progressing from here?

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Sure. This is Gary. I think, you know, a number of factors contributed to that. You did see production in Western Canada tick up a little bit in the fourth quarter. We're seeing a few more Venezuelan barrels make their way into the U.S. Gulf Coast, so a little more supply on the market. But probably the biggest factor is, you know, as you got late in the fourth quarter and early this quarter, you're starting to see the impact of turnarounds, decreasing demand for some of those, especially the heavy sour barrels. In addition to those factors, you had the typical seasonality in high sulfur fuel, with lower high sulfur fuel demand for power generation kind of weighing on the heavy sour discounts as well.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

So our view is that through the first quarter, through refinery maintenance season, you'll continue to see a little bit wider heavy sour discounts, but then you'll start to see those come in. And really, for any meaningful impact to sustainable impact for the quality diffs, we need more OPEC production on the market. If you look at the consultant forecast, it looks like, you know, that could happen probably third quarter this year.

[John Royall, Executive Director at J.P. Morgan]

Great. Thanks, Gary. And then, my second question is on return of capital. So, your number for the quarter was very strong, and you finished the year at, sixty percent of CFO. I know you've talked about how you tend to come in above, the range when cracks are strong. If 2024 ends up being kind of a, you know, more of a mid-cycle type year or even below, how should we think about where you might fall in that 40%-50% range this year?

[Jason Daniel Gabelman, Director of Energy Equity Research at TD Cowen]

Good morning. This is Jason, and I've got a bit of a cold, and if I talk too much, I'll go into a coughing fit, so I'm gonna ask Homer to respond.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Thanks, Jason. Yeah, John, I mean, you know, our approach to shareholder returns is driven by our annual target of 40%-50% of adjusted net cash from operations. And obviously, you know, that includes the dividend, which we consider non-discretionary, and buybacks, which are considered the flywheel, supplementing our dividend to hit our target. And, you know, given the strength in our balance sheet in the fourth quarter, as we highlighted, we had a 73% payout, which resulted in a 60% payout for the year. And as you touched on, since 2014, we've regularly paid above our target, and in fact, the average payout for the five years leading into COVID was around 57%.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

So I think in short, in periods when the balance sheet is strong, as it is now, and sustaining CapEx, the dividend and strategic CapEx is covered, you can reasonably think of our 40%-50% target as a floor and expect any excess cash to go towards buybacks.

[John Royall, Executive Director at J.P. Morgan]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is coming from Theresa Chen of Barclays. Please go ahead.

[Theresa Chen, Managing Director and Refining Equity Research at Barclays]

Good morning. Would you mind giving us an update on your clean products supply and demand outlook from here? Taking into account the recent inventory moves, as well as, you know, additional refining capacity, ramping up internationally, some utilization, even if not fully running, and what you're also seeing in terms of demand across your footprint, please?

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Sure, Teresa, this is Gary. You know, it's always difficult to assess the markets this early. Kind of the holidays and weather tend to have a big impact on on-road transportation, fuel demand, and then fog in the Gulf kind of tends to limit exports. But, you know, domestically, I can tell you demand for gasoline appears to be following typical seasonal patterns. It looks normal for this time of year and in line with where we were last year. I will tell you, gasoline volumes through our wholesale channel of trade are down a few percent year-over-year. We're not really concerned about that because you can see it's in regions that were really impacted by weather, and as the weather, we're starting to see the volume recover nicely. European gasoline markets are relatively strong.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

That's kept the transatlantic arb closed, and then market structure doesn't really incentivize making summer-grade gasoline and putting it into storage. Gasoline exports into Mexico and Latin America have remained steady. So all of this really has us pretty optimistic on gasoline cracks once we move into spring and gasoline demand improves with driving season. On the diesel side, demand in our system is up about 7% compared to last year, probably seeing more heating oil demand with a little bit colder weather. Diesel inventory remains at the bottom of the five-year average range. So you know, good demand, combined with low inventory, continues to support the diesel cracks. Diesel exports in our system were down a little in the fourth quarter.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

The Russian barrels making their way into South America have caused some changes in trade flow, with more of our barrels going to Europe. In Europe, warm weather tended to keep their demand down a little bit, but I can tell you, thus far in the first quarter, we're seeing much stronger European demand with the colder weather hitting there. We believe the diesel cracks continue to get support from increased jet demand, as kerosene gets pulled out of the diesel pool as we continue to recover from COVID. Jet demand last year was still down about 10.5% from pre-COVID levels. Most forecasts show us closing about half that gap this year. And then expectations for, you know, are a little better for diesel demand, with slightly colder weather and freight picking back up as well.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

So you know, overall, you know, back to your question on new capacity, it looks like to us, you know, somewhere about 1.5 million barrels a day of new capacity coming online. Year-over-year growth in demand looks to be slightly over 1 million barrels a day. So supply-demand balances are really fairly close to what we saw last year. The question really becomes timing of when that new capacity comes on. Our view is that, you know, it will take longer for those new refineries to start up, and you don't really see an impact, you know, on supply until later in the year. And if that holds, then, you know, you have relatively tight supply-demand balances, with really the only difference being we're starting from a different inventory position, as you've already mentioned.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

You know, in our mind on that, you know, we do expect to see inventories draws over the next several weeks. The cold weather had some impact on refinery operations, and then you'll start to get into turnaround season, which we would expect total light product inventory to begin to draw.

[Theresa Chen, Managing Director and Refining Equity Research at Barclays]

Thank you for that detailed answer. And then maybe just looking within the U.S., what are your views on the divergence in product margins across regions? What do you think is causing the weakness in benchmark cracks in the MidCon in particular, juxtaposed with the strength in the Gulf Coast?

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Yeah, so you know, historically, we've seen that the MidCon is short product in the summer and long product in the winter, and I think, you know, we're seeing that this year. The market is just long, and especially the weather's tended to hit that region more, and so we see demand off in that region. But I think, you know, once you start to see the weather clear and you get back into driving season, then the MidCon will recover. Seeing the same thing kind of on the West Coast. Weather's tended to impact demand on the West Coast, and so we've seen that market a little bit softer than maybe you would typically see for this time of year.

[Theresa Chen, Managing Director and Refining Equity Research at Barclays]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is coming from Neil Mehta of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

[Neil Singhvi Mehta, VP and Integrated Oil & Refining Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

Yeah, congrats on great results. One of the things that stood out to us was, you know, the capture rates continue to be very good, and I recognize some of that is operational performance, but some of that's commercial. Lane, Gary and team, I know there's some sensitivities around that, but a lot of your competitors spend a lot of time talking about what they're doing on the commercial side. Just be curious if anything you can share about how you're optimizing what continues to be a very dynamic environment.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

Hey, Neil, it's Lane. So I'm not gonna—you know, I'll start by saying thank you. And I will say that, you know, I wouldn't trade our commercial team for any other team in the industry. I sort of spoke about this in the past. You know, everyone in our company understands the position they play. I think sometimes some... I've been in organizations where that's not really clear, and you can get a lot of interference running between the supply chain. That's not true of Valero. Everybody has a position they play, and they understand how to do it well. Refining focuses on reliability and operating envelopes and expenses. Our P&E coordinates between the groups that make the signals, and our refining commercial groups execute the signals, and it's pretty clear on how all that's supposed to work.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

And so I would tell you that that's really the key to our execution. And of course, finally, everybody in the corporation's incentivized with the same goals. We don't have different groups having their own sort of incentives, so that's how we get alignment all the way through. So glad to have them.

[Neil Singhvi Mehta, VP and Integrated Oil & Refining Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

Yeah. No, it, it shows up. So thank you. Then, the follow-up, just on North Atlantic, it was particularly strong this quarter relative to the benchmark. You know, the benchmark, I think, was $16, and the realized gross margin was well, well above that. So just curious if there's anything you'd call out in Montreal or U.K. that drove the strength there.

[Greg Bram, SVP at Valero Energy]

Hey, Neil, this is Greg. So we saw crude costs improve in that region, primarily in Canada, is where you saw that occur more than you did in the in Pembroke. And then you brought up commercial margins. They were very strong for the quarter as well for that region. And then some of the compliance costs for the programs over there, our costs were lower than we've seen in prior periods, and all those things combined to drive up that capture rate in the North Atlantic. Yeah, and I'll just add, you know, Syncrude's trading at $7 below Brent, you know, and a discount to that to Brent, with a high distillate yield crude is a real benefit to our systems.

[Neil Singhvi Mehta, VP and Integrated Oil & Refining Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks, guys.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

Thanks.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is coming from Doug Leggate of Bank of America. Please go ahead.

[Douglas George Blyth Leggate, Managing Director and Head of US Oil & Gas Equity Research at Bank of America]

Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I'm not sure who wants to take this one, Lane, but I wanna ask perhaps an obvious question about shipping disruptions and what it means for perhaps not Valero specifically, but just on a more macro sense. How do the, you know, the situation with the Red Sea bidding up clean tanker rates and so on, what does that do to the movement of product and the implications for a system which is perhaps more dependent on imports than it has been at any time, at least since I've covered this sector?

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Yeah, so, you know, we're not really running crude from that region, so it hasn't really had an impact to us in terms of supply of crude. But the big impact, especially on the crude side of the business, has just been freight rates. You know, we had a period of time where you could export from the U.S. Gulf Coast to Northwest Europe crude, you know, in the low $2-a-barrel range. That spiked to $6 a barrel, and you could see that in Brent TI. So, you know, I would tell you probably for our system, it net is an advantage because it gives us a crude cost advantage versus our global competitors.

[Douglas George Blyth Leggate, Managing Director and Head of US Oil & Gas Equity Research at Bank of America]

Okay, I realize it's kind of hard to quantify, so we'll continue to watch, but thanks for that answer. Lane, my follow-up is for you or maybe for Jason, given his cold. But 40%-50% payout, it seems that at least on our numbers, you are easily able to sustain the payout at a higher level, especially now that you've restated your $2 billion CapEx plan. So I'm just curious, what's the reticence to kind of reset that range that your system clearly is capable of supporting in terms of the payout?

[Eric Fisher, SVP, Product Supply Trading and Wholesale at Valero Energy]

Hey, I'm gonna let Homer answer that.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

Hey, Doug. I mean, I think our... obviously, our target is set on a long-term range, right? And so the 40, 50, 40%-50%, think of it as like a long-term target. But to your point, and as I mentioned earlier, we've consistently come in above that, and again, I think when you have a strong balance sheet as it, as it is right now, we're not gonna build cash, so I think you should reasonably expect shareholder returns to come in above that target.

[Douglas George Blyth Leggate, Managing Director and Head of US Oil & Gas Equity Research at Bank of America]

Yeah, that's what we expect. Thanks so much. Appreciate you taking my questions, guys.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is coming from Manav Gupta of UBS. Please go ahead.

[Manav Gupta, Executive Director at UBS]

So I wanted to ask about the renewable diesel side of the business. The capture on the DGD dropped to about 49%, and now Homer has done a very good job of explaining to the market how the lag works. So if we add back that lag effect and that $0.64, the actual capture would have hit something like 93%. So when we look past 4Q, the margin is up materially, and if we assume an 80%-90% capture, ignoring the lag, would that imply that first quarter, in terms of renewable diesel margin, would be much stronger than the earnings that came in for the fourth quarter?

[Eric Fisher, SVP, Product Supply Trading and Wholesale at Valero Energy]

Hey, Manav, this is Eric, and I would just say yes. Yeah, that's a very good... yeah, we see a lot of the same, the same curve that you described. And really, the change for renewable diesel for Valero is, with the first full year of DGD three in operation, we run a lot higher percentage of foreign feedstocks, and that supply chain is just naturally longer. So the most attractive, lowest CI feedstocks are coming from foreign imports, and I think that's creating this longer lag than we've seen in DGD historically. So your analysis, I think, is correct.

[Manav Gupta, Executive Director at UBS]

Perfect. Thank you. Just quick follow-up here is, last year, we had an abnormally warm winter. Now, when we look at this first quarter, as you guys have mentioned, industry is taking a heavier turnaround versus last year, and then you could have a much colder weather out, as we are all seeing there. So year-on-year comp for the first quarter, again, could be better than even last year. I'm just trying to understand the dynamics versus last year versus this, as it relates to, you know, the heating oil demand.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Yeah, that's kind of the way we see it. You know, the big difference between last year and this year is we had the winter storm early in the quarter last year, which took refining capacity offline, kind of created the big inventory reset. You didn't have that this year, but then in our minds, you'll see more of a draw as we get into February and March with the turnaround activity and a little colder weather.

[Eric Fisher, SVP, Product Supply Trading and Wholesale at Valero Energy]

It's January.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Yes.

[Eric Fisher, SVP, Product Supply Trading and Wholesale at Valero Energy]

So, still have the cold weather, still the possibility of cold weather hitting the Gulf Coast, so.

[Manav Gupta, Executive Director at UBS]

Thanks, guys.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is coming from Sam Margolin of Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

[Sam Margolin, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Wolfe Research]

Hi. Morning, everybody. Thanks for taking the question.

[Eric Fisher, SVP, Product Supply Trading and Wholesale at Valero Energy]

Hey, Sam.

[Sam Margolin, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Wolfe Research]

I had a question on the gasoline market. You know, I think capture rate in 4Q may have benefited from butane economics, and so correspondingly, if there was a high incentive to blend as much winter grade as possible, there may have been a low incentive to make and store summer grade. And there's just a lot of NGL supply that is kind of making its way into stockpiles across a number of categories. And so I wanna know if it makes sense to think about, you know, as we enter into driving season, if total gasoline inventories are maybe overstated just given the quantity of, you know, maybe butane in that number?

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

... Yeah, certainly in our system, when you look at the cost to produce of a summer-grade of gasoline, there's no economics at all to be making summer-grade gasoline and putting it into storage. You know, I think the only people that could be storing barrels at all, it would be high octane components, and they're really just, you know, speculating that octane is gonna get stronger. But we certainly see it that way, that the barrels that are in storage today are largely winter grade.

[Sam Margolin, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Wolfe Research]

Great. And thanks. My, my non-follow-up second question is about SAF. And, you know, I'm just wondering how that market is developing for you commercially, you know, as we get closer to, to the SAF unit coming on. I think there's a view that, you know, the SAF market could take on some, you know, contracted, you know, longer-term kind of cost plus characteristics because airlines have levers to, to pass it through that are sort of outside of the policy regime. But, would love your thoughts on, on how commercially SAF is developing as you, as you get closer to production.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

Yeah, Sam, I think you've said it well. We continue to talk to all the airlines and cargo carriers. A lot of their models are gonna be based on a more of a voluntary approach in sort of a jet plus basis, that goes into a pass-through to customers that wanna offset their carbon footprint through their travel, you know, through their travel budgets. And so we continue to have a lot of those conversations. You know, I think we're very close on having several contracts done with airlines, going into our early production of our—from our project. So that continues to be progressing very, very well. So, we don't see that we're gonna have a problem moving all of the volume out of this project.

[Sam Margolin, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Wolfe Research]

Awesome. Thank you so much.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is coming from Paul Sankey of Sankey Research. Please go ahead.

[Paul Sankey, Independent Analyst at Sankey Research]

Morning, all. I was going to ask about international shipping, but you've dealt with the Red Sea. So, could you just talk a bit about Russia? There was, you know, big headlines about a port explosion there. I was wondering how much distillate and other product you're seeing coming out of Russia as we start the year. Secondly, I think you've benefited a lot from Venezuelan, incremental Venezuelan crude. What's your outlook there? And then finally, what are you seeing from Mexico with the new big refinery starting and Nigeria, maybe with the refinery starting? Thanks.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Okay. Yeah, I'll start with Russia. I think, you know, the drone attack that occurred last night, you know, probably the biggest market impact we're seeing so far is you've seen a reaction in the naphtha market, that refineries supplied a lot of naphtha to the Far East, and so there's concern that that flow may be gone, and so the naphtha market's tightened up. I think you do see distillates starting to fall, you know, and some of what we're seeing is that, you know, as the refineries experience some issues, they're having trouble getting support from the West, that they typically would, even for things like, you know, spare parts and those types of things. So, you know, we do see that maybe distillate starts to trend off a little bit due to those issues.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

The middle part of the question was?

[Paul Sankey, Independent Analyst at Sankey Research]

Venezuela, Venezuela.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Venezuela. Okay. Yeah. So we, yeah, continue to ramp up our volume of Venezuelan crude. I think, you know, the lifting of sanctions more than additional volume into our system, probably had more of a price impact. You know, so we did see a little bit more value in the fourth quarter on the Venezuelan barrels that were running, as a result of, you know, further reducing some of the sanctions that they have on Venezuela.

[Paul Sankey, Independent Analyst at Sankey Research]

Mexico refinery starting.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Yeah. So we're not seeing any impact as of yet from the Mexico refineries. You know, when we talk, when we talk about crude supply, there's always the discussion that, you know, we may see some falloff in our, in our supply of Maya, but, but that really hasn't impacted us yet, and we don't see any, any delta on the product side of the business yet either.

[Paul Sankey, Independent Analyst at Sankey Research]

I guess that would then apply to Nigeria as well, right?

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Yes, same thing. You know, we think... In our mind, it's gonna take us a while for that refinery to ramp up. It's just a big refinery that's not gonna be easy to bring online.

[Paul Sankey, Independent Analyst at Sankey Research]

Great. And then just a follow-up second question here, Homer. Lane, you've said that you don't anticipate the asset base changing greatly, with the change that we saw last year in CEO, with you taking the leadership. Can you just update us, given the number of assets that are on the market? And perhaps if you wanna add anything on California, where results look weak for the quarter and, you know, you've expressed dismay at policies there. Thanks. I'll leave it there. Thanks.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

Yeah, I mean, Joe's been pretty consistent. As a leadership team, we've been pretty consistent. We, we look at everything that comes onto the market. I think structurally, well, our view really is, you know, whether it's policies in Europe and Canada and the United States, in terms of this desire to try to move away from fossil fuels and the difficulty of it, and the difficulty it is to make investments, we sort of see transportation fuels being structurally short. So we, we do look through that lens when we look at assets that come on. We also stare at—we—you know, during the 2000s, we were the biggest consolidator in the industry, so we know what it takes to do this, and we're very good at it.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

Our eyes are wide open when we look at all these assets and they come on and we understand the full cost, and we compare that with, you know, organic growth, and we compare that to buying back shares. It's all in that same framework. We do like our asset base. Clearly, California is a tough place to operate and probably getting tougher. That's really all I wanna say about that part. You know, what I also wanna say is we're not... You know, again, we look at everything and we look, we'll look at, we continue to look at refineries as well.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is coming from Roger Read of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

[Roger Read, Senior Energy Analyst at Wells Fargo]

Yeah, good morning. I'd like to-

[Eric Fisher, SVP, Product Supply Trading and Wholesale at Valero Energy]

Good morning.

[Roger Read, Senior Energy Analyst at Wells Fargo]

Follow up, Gary, with you on the summer-grade gasoline. Like, I know you said what's in the inventories isn't that much, but what do the incentives look like at this point? Or are we so close to the conversion in March that, you know, it the seasonality of gasoline is already set up that way? I'm just trying to understand what how the market's gonna thread the needle between heavy maintenance and the current conditions in the market.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Yeah, so our view, Roger, you know, you look, and there's about $0.10 carry to the March, April screen. You know, we would tell you the cost to produce with ethane being cheap is closer to $0.20, so certainly no economic incentive at all to store gasoline. A lot of what we think happened in terms of the inventory build is that, you know, you had a lot of things happen in December, especially in the Gulf Coast. Colonial was allocated, the economics to ship on Explorer into the Mid-Continent. That arb was closed due to the Mid-Continent being weak. You had some Jones Act freight off the market in dry dock, you know, that limited some movements there, and then a lot of volatility in the freight markets really impacted exports late. And so what you saw was Gulf Coast inventories draw.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

In our mind, the Gulf Coast basis got weak enough that although there wasn't carry on the screen to keep gasoline inventory, I think we saw a lot of refiners choosing to hold inventory just because U.S. Gulf Coast basis was so weak, and they chose to store barrels that they would go ahead and then consume during their own maintenance periods rather than going out and covering and saw a better value to do that. If that's the case, then, you know, you should see this inventory work off over the next couple of months.

[Roger Read, Senior Energy Analyst at Wells Fargo]

Great, that's helpful. Then the other thing, obviously, in renewable diesel, dealing with, you know, some feedstock issues this quarter, but also there's a lot of new capacity coming in. Just curious how you look at or how you would, you know, ask us to think about margin potential in this business, sort of assuming, you know, either forward, forward curve at this point or just where we are today in terms of market structure, if it holds, how we should think about the moving pieces here. Because it's a little more opaque to us, the feedstocks coming in and the timing of that relative to, you know, just matching in the market on a daily basis.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Yeah, I would say the outlook for renewable diesel, it is difficult to predict exactly how it will play out because you do have additional capacity coming online and into, you know, fixed credit banks for both RINs and LCFS. That would naturally say that those credit values should come down with additional capacity, which would narrow RD margins. That being said, we also see that feedstock prices continue to come down, both waste oil and veg oil. So then you get into the waste oils will always structurally have a lower CI advantage over veg oil. So where veg oils will be long, they still won't be competitive to waste oils in, into compliance markets. So it goes back to the core of the DGD, business, which is low-cost producer, waste oils, access to markets besides California.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

And so we still see that we'll be competitively advantaged, both from an OpEx and feedstock standpoint. But overall, the outlook, I would say, is we expect that credit prices will continue to narrow, and it's a question of how feedstock prices will, you know, keep up with that. And so, and then, you know, the last thing, besides diversifying sales away from California is, you know, obviously, with our project, we'll be diversifying, you know, into SAF, which takes some of our product out of this RD market. So we think both of those things make us still the most competitive and advantaged platform in RD, even in a tightening market.

[Roger Read, Senior Energy Analyst at Wells Fargo]

So is it fair to summarize that as there's probably a lot more clarity on, let's call it, the supply side of RD this year and a lot less clarity on the feedstock side? In other words, where we should look for relative opportunity is probably on, on your feedstock rather than, you know, say, the sales price of RD.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Yeah, I think that'd be fair to say that, you know, most of that still being a CI advantage in waste oils over vegetable oils.

[Roger Read, Senior Energy Analyst at Wells Fargo]

Right. Right. Okay, appreciate it. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is coming from Ryan Todd of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

[Ryan Todd, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Good, thanks. Maybe a question on turnaround activity. Yours looks relatively heavy in the first quarter. Is that indicative of what we should expect to be a higher level of overall maintenance for you in 2024, just front-end loaded? And then maybe any thoughts in terms of what you're seeing for overall industry maintenance activity this year. Is this? Should we expect this to be another relatively heavy year?

[Greg Bram, SVP at Valero Energy]

Ryan, this is Greg. You know, normally, we don't talk about our overall turnaround plans. You can tell from the guidance, a fair amount of activity for us in the first quarter. I think when we get out through the rest of the year, you know, we'll talk about those periods as we, as we come up to them. I think from an industry perspective, we are seeing a fair amount of turnaround activity, you know, across the industry in the first quarter. So again, kind of to Gary's point, you know, it looks like it's gonna be a heavy season for the industry in general. A lot of it in the Gulf Coast, too. A lot of focus there.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

... The only other thing we may add is, although you can see the throughput guidance, we don't really expect it to impact our capture rates.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

That's right.

[Ryan Todd, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Okay, great. Thank you. And then maybe just a follow-up question on capital spend and growth capital spend. I appreciate, Homer, you gave a little bit of detail there in terms of some of the things that are competing for the wedge of growth capital within your budget. I mean, most of your larger project-driven work is either finished recently or, you know, you've got the SAF project, which isn't really all that large. But as you look forward on the horizon, are there any other meaningful environmental regulatory-driven capital things that we should be keeping our eyes on over the next couple of years that could draw some more capital that way?

[Ryan Todd, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Or what types of things may or should we expect just more of these kind of small, little netback driven projects across the refining side over the next few years?

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

Hey, Ryan, it's Lane. The way I would think about this is, you know, if you go back, because, you know, historically, we used to sort of spend, I would say, we spent $1.5 billion sustainable capital. That would actually include regulatory capital. I mean, that's how we frame it. It sort of maintain our assets to generate the earnings it's supposed to, and try to work your regulatory capital in that, albeit it would be lumpy, and so you're gonna average around that number. So that's how we think about the regulatory side of it. I don't really foresee, at least as right now, that we have a large regulatory spend. Clearly, that could always change. In terms of our strategic capital, historically, we were around $1 billion.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

We as an organization, we felt like we feel like we can execute $1 billion pretty well. I mean, we had some experience over probably 10, 11 years ago, where we spent more on strategic capital than that, and it was it was sort of difficult to manage, and so we as an organization, we decided that we were going to live within a sort of a $1 billion on the upside of a strategic capital. Since COVID, we've been at about $500 million, and that's our guidance right now. And we, you know, we feel like that's a pretty good number year in and year out, that we're gonna steward around, that there'll be enough projects, whether they're in refining or transportation or our renewable platforms, that that'll meet and work through our gated process to meet our return thresholds.

[Ryan Todd, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Great. Thanks, Lane.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is coming from Paul Cheng of Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

[Paul Cheng, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Scotiabank]

Hey, guys. Good morning.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

Morning.

[Paul Cheng, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Scotiabank]

I just don't know whether this will be Lane or Gary. If we're looking at octane last year, that was very strong. If this year that I think a lot of people expect, because after last year, the global gasoline demand growth rate probably will slow down. China is definitely slowing down, and I think U.S. may even go into a structural decline. If that will be the case, how you expect the octane value is going to look like? And whether how that impact or what kind of impact is on your financial result will be? That's the first question.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Okay. Yeah, so I would say, you know, a couple things on, on octane. You know, certainly the incremental crude barrel that, that's been coming onto the market has been a light sweet barrel, which has created more naphtha yield coming onto the market. And with petchem demand being somewhat down, you know, the, that incremental barrel of naphtha that's being produced is trying to find its way into the gasoline pool. And so what that does is it really causes octanes and naphthas to trade at an inverse. When, when naphtha gets long, naphtha gets weak, and then octane starts to trade at a premium. So you can try to blend that, that naphtha barrel into the gasoline pool. You know, I, I don't know that we see that being significantly different this year.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

You know, the one thing I would tell that, you know, I've already mentioned, if there's a prolonged outage in Russia, at the refinery that was hit by the drone attack and there's less naphtha out on the market, you know, that could tell you that octanes trend tend to be a little bit weaker this year. But absent that, I don't see any fundamental differences in the naphtha or octane markets. Greg, I don't know if you have anything.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

Yeah, I agree.

[Paul Cheng, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Scotiabank]

Gary, are you guys net long or balanced on octane?

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

You know, it varies. I would say we're fairly balanced on octane. You know, we're long naphtha, so you can always soak up octane, you know, that way. But overall, on octane, I'd say fairly balanced.

[Paul Cheng, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Scotiabank]

Right. And Gary and Greg, that, you guys have a marketing operation in, Mexico and, and in the Caribbean. In Mexico, any insight on how's the local demand look like?

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Yeah, so our business there continues to grow very, very nicely. Year over year, our volumes were up 16% in Mexico. We now have 250 branded sites, which was the largest growing brand in Mexico. I think the big change for this year is in the second quarter of this year, we anticipate the terminal that we'll use in northern Mexico, in Altamira, will start up. It will allow us to be more competitive in that region, which we would expect us to then be able to continue the growth that we've seen.

[Paul Cheng, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Scotiabank]

How about outside your operation, but that the market as a whole, do you see the gasoline market in Mexico is growing or that is maybe a little bit pullback?

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Yeah, so our view is Mexico basically recovered last year to pre-COVID levels, and our expectation is you'll continue to see good growth in the gasoline market in Mexico.

[Paul Cheng, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Scotiabank]

Okay, thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is coming from Joe Laetsch of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

[Joe Laetsch, Executive Director and Energy Equity Research at Morgan Stanley]

... Hey, team, good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. So I wanted to, to start off, going back to, to an earlier point. You mentioned some of the cold weather on the Gulf Coast the past couple of weeks. Were there any material impacts to operations or crude and product price dislocations that we should be mindful of for the first quarter?

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

No, I would tell you, you know, we had some small operational issues, you know, boiler trips, heater trips, but, you know, nothing that's gonna materially impact the quarter, and we still feel like the throughput guidance that we've given holds.

[Joe Laetsch, Executive Director and Energy Equity Research at Morgan Stanley]

Great, thanks. Then, shifting to renewable diesel. Volumes averaged above nameplate capacity for the year, which is good to see. Seems like a consistent theme about performance there. Any reason why we shouldn't expect a similar level of outperformance in 2024, such as turnarounds or anything?

[Greg Bram, SVP at Valero Energy]

Yeah, I think we kept the guidance at the $1.2 billion. We've got a couple of CapEx changes this year, and obviously, you know, when we convert to SAF, you know, there could be a change in capacity because we do have to run the unit a little harder in that mode. So we're not sure what capacity will look like until we, you know, get the project on the ground and start it up. So I think, you know, this time next year, we'll have an outlook of what our capacity guidance will be, you know, whether it's up or down.

[Joe Laetsch, Executive Director and Energy Equity Research at Morgan Stanley]

Got it. That makes sense. Thank you all.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is coming from Jason Gabelman of TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

[Jason Daniel Gabelman, Director of Energy Equity Research at TD Cowen]

Yeah. Hey, morning. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one's on refining OpEx, and I think the market's been less focused on that metric in recent years, just given all of the strength in the margins, but perhaps it becomes a bit more of a focus as margins maybe normalized here to some extent. And looking at your system, I think historically you were at $3.50 per barrel refining OpEx. You know, this year, you were, I think, around $4.50 a barrel at a similar Henry Hub price to historical levels. So just wondering what has been driving that higher OpEx this year versus kind of the pre-COVID level, and if you expect it to stay at this higher rate or come back down?

[Greg Bram, SVP at Valero Energy]

Hey, Jason, this is Greg. So one of the things that's probably most notable when you think over that period has been electricity prices. That, you know, so not so much natural gas, but on the power side, a lot of the places where we operate have seen power costs, particularly in the summer, be quite a bit higher than we had seen historically. So that's a part of it. The other part that thinking back over that timeframe, but also be more recently, some cost inflation pressure, and we've talked about that a few times before. That seems to be easing, so, you know, that's something we're working on to rein back in with our suppliers and folks that we work with.

[Jason Daniel Gabelman, Director of Energy Equity Research at TD Cowen]

Got it. Is there-

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

Jason, this is Lane. I will say we're still the lowest cost guy, and we work on this like you cannot imagine. And you should, you should, know that as an organization, we're committed to making sure that we are the best in class with expenses.

[Jason Daniel Gabelman, Director of Energy Equity Research at TD Cowen]

Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, we definitely see that. Is there any expectation to get back down below $4 or is this kind of $4.50, the range we should think about moving forward? Beyond 1Q.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

You know, we'll have to look at the numbers. I mean, part of the other thing that really drives this is your throughput. You know, throughput, even though we have what we would characterize as a variable and fixed cost, we run them through our expenses. Most refining expenses are in large part fixed. So the more barrels we run, the better that metric works. And so you really got to... And the best time of year to look at that and, you know, to really understand that is sort of, you know, third quarter, essentially. That's really when you're seeing the system. Normally, if we have the signal to run the highest, most things are online, and the cost structures are where they are.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

So that's the best time to get an understanding of where the sort of base OpEx is for the system.

[Jason Daniel Gabelman, Director of Energy Equity Research at TD Cowen]

Mm-hmm. Got it. My other question is on the refining growth CapEx, and you rattled off a bunch of what seems like quick-hit projects that clear your return hurdles. Is there a way you could kind of frame these projects together in terms of potential improvement, capture and kind of whatever stable margin environment you would evaluate that on? Or any type of way you could frame the potential upside from these projects? Or is it alternatively just keeping capture maybe stable and enabling flexibility to keep capture stable? Thanks.

[Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President at Valero Energy]

Yeah. So, the way I would think about this is, you know, we're gonna try to do a little more delineation in our IR pack deck to try to maybe demonstrate the, the, the success of a lot of our projects and our gating process. But we're still—you know, we're still disciplined in that we don't want to have all this forward-looking conversation around projects, whether they're small or big or whatever. What we do is we—we have demonstrated, hopefully to everyone, that our process does generate returns and that we have—and that, and that we've—like I said earlier, we nominally, at least today, think we have a $500 million a year of spend that will generate the returns that we think will make its way through the gated process.

[Jason Daniel Gabelman, Director of Energy Equity Research at TD Cowen]

Understood. Thanks, guys.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is coming from Matthew Blair of Tudor, Pickering, Holt. Please go ahead.

[Matthew Robert Lovseth Blair, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Tudor Pickering Holt]

... Hey, thanks for the commentary on light heavy earlier. I believe Valero runs about 200 a day of WCS at Houston in your Gulf Coast system. Is that correct? And, is there any risk to that, to that availability with TMX starting up soon?

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

Yeah. So, you know, it's our Canadian volumes vary. You know, it depends on total heavies, we're probably 600,000 barrels a day, Greg, right?

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

500.

[Gary Simmons, EVP and COO at Valero Energy]

500-600,000 barrels a day, and we have, you know, the ability to optimize between, you know, Mexican supplies, supply from Venezuela and Canada. Our view of TMX is that you'll still have the Gulf Coast barrels coming, you know, from Western Canada, and that, you know, what it'll really do is decrease exports from the U.S. Gulf Coast, and we don't really think that our Gulf Coast system will be materially impacted by TMX.

[Matthew Robert Lovseth Blair, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Tudor Pickering Holt]

Great. Thank you. And then I had another question on capital returns. So, you know, keeping in mind that the Q4 buybacks were quite strong, payout ratio of 73%, clearly impressive. We just found it intriguing that your cash balance actually showed a build year-over-year in 2023, and I would say you started the year, you know, with maybe $2 billion of excess cash, ended the year with maybe $3 billion of excess cash. So could you talk about why that happened? Were there any mechanical limits on buybacks, or were you locked out of the market? And then of that $3 billion in excess cash that you have now, you know, do you have any sort of internal targets on you'd look to pay down maybe $1 billion or $2 billion of that in 2024?

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

Yeah. Hey, Matthew, it's Homer. I mean, I think, you know, first of all, we're comfortable with where we are from a cash balance perspective, but we've discussed in the past, we like to stay above $4 billion. Now, you know, we had a very, very strong payout, right? Particularly for the quarter, but then also for the year. In terms of paying down, like, you know, for example, we look at debt, right? On the debt side, we proactively look at our portfolio through a liability management lens. And so given the strength of our balance sheet, we don't really currently have any pressing need to pay down debt with a net debt to cap ratio of 18%, but it's an ongoing evaluation, and it's something that we look at.

[Matthew Robert Lovseth Blair, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Tudor Pickering Holt]

Just to clarify, you said your minimum cash balance is now $4 billion?

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

We like to stay above $4 billion. Yeah. And so, you know, we've changed that, I don't know, it's a couple of years. Really coming out of COVID. Going into COVID, we had taken the strategy of trying to push it all the way down to $2 billion, and found going into COVID that, you know, our experience was that was probably too low. So we've decided to bring on. Go ahead and look at our minimum closer to $4 billion. Good thing about being at $4 billion now versus $2 billion before is we actually do return, you know, earn a return on that cash versus before it was zero. So, but that's really due to our experience as we went through COVID.

[Matthew Robert Lovseth Blair, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Tudor Pickering Holt]

Okay, that's helpful. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. This brings us to the end of the question and answer session. I would like to turn it back over to Mr. Bhullar for closing comments.

[Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO at Valero Energy]

Thanks, Donna. So that concludes our opening remarks. I'm sorry, if you guys have any follow-up questions, obviously feel free to ping us, ping the IR team. Thanks again for joining us, and have a wonderful week.

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation and interest in Valero. You may disconnect your lines or log off the webcast at this time.

Participants

Executives

• Homer Bhullar, SVP and CFO
• Lane Riggs, Chairman, CEO and President
• Gary Simmons, EVP and COO
• Greg Bram, SVP
• Eric Fisher, SVP, Product Supply Trading and Wholesale

Analysts

• John Royall, Executive Director at J.P. Morgan
• Jason Daniel Gabelman, Director of Energy Equity Research at TD Cowen
• Theresa Chen, Managing Director and Refining Equity Research at Barclays
• Neil Singhvi Mehta, VP and Integrated Oil & Refining Analyst at Goldman Sachs
• Douglas George Blyth Leggate, Managing Director and Head of US Oil & Gas Equity Research at Bank of America
• Manav Gupta, Executive Director at UBS
• Sam Margolin, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Wolfe Research
• Paul Sankey, Independent Analyst at Sankey Research
• Roger Read, Senior Energy Analyst at Wells Fargo
• Ryan Todd, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler
• Paul Cheng, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Scotiabank
• Joe Laetsch, Executive Director and Energy Equity Research at Morgan Stanley
• Matthew Robert Lovseth Blair, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Tudor Pickering Holt