Mondelez International Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • 2023 best year ever: Organic net revenue grew 14.7% (€4.6 B), gross profit dollar growth reached a record €2.2 B, free cash flow hit €3.6 B and adjusted EPS rose 19%, driving double-digit total shareholder returns.
  • For 2024, Mondelez expects to deliver at the top end of its 3–5% organic revenue growth algorithm with high single-digit adjusted EPS growth to ~$3.30 (including $0.11 from the gum divestiture) and free cash flow of $3.5 B+, despite inflation and FX headwinds.
  • The company increased advertising and commercial investment by 21% in 2023, accelerated distribution by adding 600,000 stores in emerging markets, and advanced sustainability targets (80% cocoa sourced via Cocoa Life, 97% recyclable packaging).
  • Mondelez faces a dynamic operating environment with ongoing inflation (notably cocoa and sugar), potential customer disruptions from European pricing negotiations, Q4 U.S. volume headwinds from supply chain transitions and product mix, and geopolitical tensions in the Middle East.
  • The portfolio reshaping strategy continues with the integration of Clif Bar and Ricolino to grow snack bar and Mexican chocolate segments and the sale of the developed-market gum business for $1.4 B to fund further brand and capability investments.
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Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Mondelēz International Fourth Quarter 2023 and Year-End Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is scheduled to last about one hour, including remarks by Mondelēz management and the question and answer session. In order to ask a question, please press the star key followed by the number one on your touch-tone phone at any time during the call. I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr. Shep Dunlap, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations for Mondelēz. Please go ahead, sir.

Shep Dunlap
SVP of Investor Relations at Mondelēz International

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us. With me today are Dirk Van de Put, our Chairman and CEO, and Luca Zaramella, our CFO. Earlier today, we sent out our press release and presentation slides, which are available on our website. During this call, we'll make forward-looking statements about the company's performance. These statements are based on how we see things today. Actual results may differ materially due to risks and uncertainties. Please refer to the cautionary statements and risk factors contained in our 10-K, 10-Q, and 8-K filings for more details on our forward-looking statements. As we discuss our results today, unless noted as reported, we'll be referencing our non-GAAP financial measures, which adjust for certain items included in our GAAP results. In addition, we provide our year-over-year growth on a constant currency basis, unless otherwise noted.

Shep Dunlap
SVP of Investor Relations at Mondelēz International

You can find the comparable GAAP measures and GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliations within our earnings release and at the back of the slide presentation. Today, Dirk will provide a business and strategy update, followed by a review of our financial results and outlook by Luca. We will close with Q&A. I'll now turn the call over to Dirk.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Thanks, Shep, and thanks to everyone for joining the call today. I will start on slide four. I'm pleased to share that we delivered our best year ever in 2023, with robust top-line growth, continued share improvements, record profit dollar growth, and strong total shareholder return. Our double-digit top-line performance was driven by strong pricing execution and positive volume mix growth. We also delivered continued share improvement as consumers across the globe remain very engaged with our iconic snacking brands. We set another record for gross profit dollar growth, achieving $2.2 billion, through ongoing cost discipline and sound pricing to offset cost inflation as well as volume leverage. We continued our track record of strong free cash flow, generating $3.6 billion.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

To accelerate our strategy of global snacking leadership, we continued to invest significantly in our brands and capabilities, driving multi-year growth on both the top and bottom lines. I'm especially proud of our record financial results, as well as returning nearly $4 billion in capital to shareholders. These results deepen our confidence that the strength of our brands, our proven strategy, our continued and increasing investments, and especially our great people, position us well to achieve our long-term financial targets in 2024 and beyond. Turning to slide five, you can see that 2023 was a strong year on both the top and bottom lines, with substantial reinvestment to drive continued growth in the year ahead. Organic Net Revenue grew 14.7% or $4.6 billion versus prior years. Our continuing solid performance in Volume Mix demonstrates that consumers continue to prioritize our brands and categories.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

We also delivered record adjusted gross profit dollar growth of $2.2 billion, up 18.8%, significantly lapping the last several years. We're proud of our team's continued focus and commitment, which enables us to continue investing in the business to drive further sustained growth. Accordingly, we increased A&C investments by more than 21%, helping to drive consumer and customer loyalty to both our iconic global brands and our local jewels, which represent the taste of the nation in their markets. These results translated into strong OI growth of nearly $1 billion, up more than 19% versus prior years. Adjusted EPS grew 19% on top of strong growth in the past several years.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

All told, we remain confident that our virtuous cycle of strong gross profit dollar growth, fueling local-first commercial execution, and increasing investments in our strong brands, capabilities, and talents, will enable us to continue delivering attractive, sustainable growth. I'm especially proud to share that we continue to outperform our peers in total shareholder return. As you can see on slide six, our five-year TSR is nearly double the average of our peer group. Our one-year return is particularly impressive, with Mondelēz delivering double-digit growth, while our peer average return has fallen into negative territory. We view these results as evidence that we have the right strategy, the right brands, and the right people to continue delivering long-term value for our stakeholders. Switching to slide seven, our performance in 2023 gives us confidence that we have not only the right growth strategy, but also the right execution to deliver it.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Here are just a few highlights of our strategy in action. Our biggest global brands, Oreo, Milka, and Cadbury, achieved more than $10 billion in global net revenues. We continue accelerating our focus on our core categories for chocolate, biscuits, and baked snacks, because these categories offer attractive growth and profitability. We remain on track to deliver 90% of our revenue through these core categories. We also continue to make strong progress in executing our growth strategy. Our U.S. supply chain has stabilized, and we have added more than 600,000 stores to our emerging market distribution channels. Additionally, we continue to advance our portfolio reshaping strategy. In 2023, we integrated Clif Bar and Ricolino. Now we are harnessing the power of these recent acquisitions to strengthen our presence in the global snack bar and the Mexican chocolate and candy segments.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

We also completed the sale of our developed market gum business for $1.4 billion, providing another important source of reinvestment to further advance our brands, talents, and capabilities. On slide eight, along with our financial performance, I'm pleased to share that we made significant progress towards our sustainability goals and targets in 2023. First, we continued to advance our leadership in more sustainably sourced critical ingredients. About 80% of the cocoa volume used in our chocolate brand is sourced through Cocoa Life, our signature cocoa sourcing program, that works to lift up the people and restore landscapes where cocoa grows. We also made continued progress in helping to combat climate change. We achieved an important milestone in 2023 by submitting our roadmap to achieve net zero by 2050 to the Science Based Targets initiative. Additionally, we continued advancing our light and right packaging strategy.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

More than 97% of our packaging now is designed to be recycled. We also continue investing in ways to empower consumers to make more mindful snacking choices that fit into their healthy, active lifestyles. More than 55% of our snacks revenue comes from mindful portion snacks. That is, snacks that are packaged in individually wrapped, mindful portion serving sizes, or with clear, mindful portion recommendations on pack. These are just a few highlights of our continuing progress towards building a more sustainable snacking company. We continue to believe that helping to drive positive change at scale is an integral part of value creation, with positive returns for our stakeholders. We encourage you to watch our annual Snacking Made Right report, which will be published in April, to view our full year sustainability data.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Turning to slide nine, you can see that like many companies, we continue to navigate through a dynamic operating environment. We are closely tracking and planning around a number of near-term themes, including, continuing inflation, shifting consumer habits, geopolitical challenges, rising cocoa prices, just to name a few. We are well positioned to address these challenges, and we remain confident that we can deliver a non-algorithm year. Our confidence is rooted in our conviction that we have the right strategy, the right execution, and the right people, as well as very strong, widely loved brands. We continue to see momentum in the majority of our key emerging markets. Our categories remain resilient, and our solid volume mix performance demonstrates that consumers continue to prioritize our iconic snacking brands. To continue accelerating this momentum, we are continuing to increase our investment significantly in our brands and capabilities.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

We are pleased that our U.S. supply chain has substantially improved, and we continue to focus on expanding distribution opportunities in both developed and emerging markets. We are also making solid progress in our European pricing negotiations. We expect to deliver robust EPS growth in both constant and real dollars in 2024. Overall, we remain confident that we have the right strategy to effectively navigate today's volatile environment, while continuing to focus on long-term sustainable growth. In conclusion, I'm pleased to reiterate that 2023 was another record year. Our focus and portfolio reshaping strategy is working, and we are well positioned to continue driving attractive growth in 2024 and beyond.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

By continuing to double down on our attractive core categories of chocolate, biscuits, and baked snacks, investing in our widely loved brands, focusing on operational execution and cost discipline, and empowering our great people, I am confident that we can deliver strong performance for years to come. With that, I'll turn it over to Luca to share additional insights on our financials.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Thank you, Dirk, and good afternoon, everyone. Before I get into our financial results and the 2024 outlook, it is important to provide some context related to the developed market gum divestiture and its impact on our results. On slide 11, you can see that the impact of divestiture on revenue was round about $500 million, while on growth, 0.3 percentage points negative. EPS was impacted by -$0.11. I'll give you more color as this relates to the outlook later in the call, and how we plan to fully offset impact on income. Moving to slide 12. In 2023, we delivered exceptional results, starting with double-digit revenue growth, with both volume and value contributing. As we keep saying, gross profit dollars is the most important P&L variable, as it allows to reinvest and protect on our virtual cycle.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Last year, GP dollars grew by $2.2 billion, allowing substantial reinvestments, strong earnings, and robust cash flow generation. The strength of these results can be seen across all regions and categories. Revenue growth was +14.7% in the year, with 1.3 points of growth coming from volume mix. For the quarter, growth was about 10%, with a slight decline in volume mix. Emerging markets grew by 20.4% for the year and 14.9% for the quarter, with trends coming from a substantial number of key countries, including Brazil, China, India, Mexico, and the Western Andean. Developed markets grew +11.1% for the year and +6.66% for the quarter, including robust growth from both the U.S. and Europe. Moving to portfolio performance on slide 13.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Our chocolate and biscuits businesses both delivered double-digit growth for the year. Also, gum and candy continued to perform well, with superior growth in emerging markets. Biscuits grew +11.9% for the year and +5.5% for the quarter. A large number of brands delivered strong growth for 2023, including Oreo, Chips Ahoy!, belVita, Tate's, Give & Go, 7Days, TUC, and Club Social. Chocolate grew +14.5% for the year and +11.2% for the quarter, with significant growth across both developed and emerging markets. Volume mix was up by 2.5% for the year and 2.4% for the quarter. Global brands like Cadbury Dairy Milk, Milka, and Toblerone all deliver extraordinary growth, while we also deliver strong growth with many of our local jewels, including Lacta, Ricolino, and Côte d'Or.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Gum and candy grew more than 28% for the year and 20% for the quarter. Key markets, including Brazil, Mexico, China, and the Western Andean area, all performed well. Let's review market share performance on slide 14. We held or gained share in 65% of our revenue base, with strong results in both chocolate and biscuits. Given the amount of pricing we took in the last couple of years, we see this as a strong accomplishment, and our brand investments, both from a quantity and quality standpoint, clearly played a role. Turning to regional performance on slide 15. Europe grew +14.5% for the year and +11.6% for the quarter. Strong execution led to positive volume mix for the year, despite significant customer disruption in Q2.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Profit in 2023 was up +12.8% for the year and +1.6% for the quarter. Underlying profit in Europe continues to improve, but Q4 was negatively impacted by Forex fluctuations on some cash deposits held in U.S. dollars that function as a protection against currency volatility. Excluding this headwind, EBIT in Q4 was up nicely, despite a significant increase in A&C. North America grew +9.5% for the full year, while Q4 grew +1.9%, against an exceptionally strong compare of almost 20% in 2022. Full year growth was driven by higher pricing, broad-based trends across brands and channels, and solid volume mix. In Q4, volumes declined as a result of softening U.S. biscuit category, tight inventory management in advance of Q1 pricing, and declines in Give & Go and Clif.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Give & Go was impacted by our decision to delist some of the holidays gingerbread SKUs, given low profit. We continue to be very happy with Give & Go overall. Clif results were driven by lower bar consumption and inventory depletion, connected to retailers building inventory in Q3 to minimize potential disruption ahead of a system transition in early October. As a result, we made adjustments to inventory, driving a year-over-year shipment decline. We feel comfortable with current inventory levels, along with our programming and investments to drive 2024 growth. Overall, we are confident regarding our prospects in 2024 for North America, given our strong activation plans, TDPs expansion, growth channels, and substantial investments in A&C. We are going to give you a better sense of these opportunities at CAGNY.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

North America OI increased +22.7% for the year due to strong pricing and solid volume. For the quarter, OI increased by 9.5%. AMEA grew 11.7% for the year and 7.9% for the quarter. India grew strong double digits for the year and quarter, driven by both chocolate and biscuits. China grew high single digits for the year and quarter as well. Southeast Asia grew mid single digits for the year, and Australia delivered strong results for both the year and the quarter. As it relates to volume mix performance in the region for Q4, there has been some pressure on Western consumer brands in the Middle East since the war began, and we have not been immune from that, with an impact to sales in the Middle East and part of Southeast Asia.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

We are supporting colleagues who have been impacted in different ways around the world, as well as working with NGOs, partners, to aid in humanitarian efforts in the regions. While volatile and difficult to predict on a go-forward basis, we are tracking the situation and working with stakeholders and planning for these dynamics... in our 2024 outlook. AMEA increased OI by 14.5% for the year and 18.5% for the quarter, continuing a strong track record of annual top and bottom line growth. Latin America grew 34.8% for the year and 28.6% for the quarter, with strong volume mix growth and strong price execution. Ex-Argentina, growth for LA was +18.1% for the year and 9.2% for the quarter, testifying the good work done by our teams beyond price management in Argentina.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Latin America delivered another strong year of profitability. OI grew +48.5% for the year and more than 49% for the quarter. Strong volume mix pricing and continuation of gum and candy momentum drove these results. Turning to page 16. For the year, we delivered strong double-digit OI dollar growth, driven by a record high increase in gross profit of nearly $2.2 billion. This growth has enabled strong levels of reinvestment behind brands and capabilities for 2024 and beyond. In Q4, we also saw strong double-digit OI and gross profit dollar growth of more than $500 million, driven by top line strength and ongoing cost discipline. Other was impacted by the Forex dynamics and fund protection in U.S. dollar that I discussed about Europe. Next to EPS on slide 17. Full year EPS grew +19% in constant currency.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

The vast majority of this growth was driven by operating gains, and despite currency headwinds, we grew adjusted EPS at reported Forex by 14.3%. Adjusted EPS would be $3.30 per share, including $0.11 of contribution from D.M. gum. I'll talk more about our plans for 2024, but we will aim at removing as much stranded cost as possible. Turning to slide 18. We delivered $3.6 billion of free cash flow for the full year, including the impact of more than $380 million related to cash taxes from the liquidation of our KDP stake. Our balance sheet remains quite strong as full year leverage ended at 2.6x. Let me take a moment to discuss our outlook and some of our key planning assumptions on slide 20.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

For the current year, we expect to deliver on our long-term algorithm for revenue, earnings, and cash flow. We expect to be at the upper end of our 3%-5% algo range for organic net revenue growth, as pricing in certain markets with significant chocolate portfolios, such as Europe, is expected to be higher than historical levels. We expect free cash flow of $3.5 billion+. In terms of the assumptions, for inflation, we expect a high single-digit increase for 2024. This inflation is driven by significant increases in both cocoa and sugar, as well as another uptick in labor costs. As Europe faces more inflation than any other market, we expect customer disruption during Q1 and potentially into Q2, associated with our annual price negotiation process.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

This process is happening earlier in some cases than last year, so impact might be more pronounced in Q1 from top and margin lines. We also remain committed to substantial brand support in this region and all the others, similar to our stance over the last several years. In terms of interest expenses, we expect approximately $325 million. We are expecting 3 cents of EPS headwinds related to Forex impact for the year. In terms of taxes, we expect an ETR in the mid-20s. Share repurchase expectations are around $2 billion. Turning to our EPS outlook on page 21. With respect to adjusted EPS, we expect high single-digit growth off our reported base 2023 of $3.30 per share, which includes the $0.11 cents of contribution from our divested developed gum business.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

We expect to eliminate nearly all of these $0.11 impact by removing stranded costs. In fact, we made good progress by already realizing $0.03 of stranded cost savings in late 2023. With that, let's open the line for questions.

Operator

At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press the star and one on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue at any time by pressing star two. Once again, that's star one to ask a question. We will pause for a moment to allow all questions to queue. Our first question comes from Andrew Lazar, Barclays. Everybody.

Andrew Lazar
Andrew Lazar
Managing Director at Barclays

Dirk, I was hoping, we could get a bit of a state of the union on how you see the performance in key markets at this stage, as we saw a bit more volume weakness in North America in the fourth quarter, and conversely, it still seems like there's strength in many of the other key markets. Trying to get a sense of how you see this playing out in 2024 and whether, similar cadence, across your markets might be the same or where it might be a bit different. And then I've just got a follow-up.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Okay. Thank you, Andrew. Yeah, I mean, we see there's a very strong full-year performance. We feel that there is portfolio strength, which is broad-based across our regions, across the categories, across the brands. The volume mix growth is solid for the year, and we expect that to continue into next year. Our price execution has been very good this year across the business. Share performance is good. North America, we recovered. AMEA, we've been gaining share. Europe, we had some disruption effect during the year, but that we started to recuperate strongly at the end of the year.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

The strength in emerging markets continues broadly. I can comment a little bit on where there are some short-term issues. And then we've got some very strong gross profit growth and $2.2 billion for the year, which has allowed us to reinvest quite significantly in the business. And so the acquisitions are doing well, EPS growth adjusted 19%, real 14%, strong cash flow. So we feel good as we enter 2024. We have some more pricing coming in, but in North America that's already agreed. In Europe, we're in line with where we were last year, and the majority is already agreed. We are planning to continue with strong investments in our brands, with strong activations.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

The acquisitions we expect to continue to play a big role for us. And so overall, and maybe, another point to mention is that we have the distribution runway of adding distribution for our brands around the world. So we feel it was a very strong 2023, and we feel good entering 2024. Now, that doesn't mean that there are no particular issues that are on our mind. So the first one would certainly be, the cocoa prices and the, our need to, price as needed. We are well covered for the year, but we need to, mainly in Europe, get those prices agreed.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Consumer, while the consumer is feeling better and more positive, short term, we see that elasticity is still at or below historical norms, but there is some uptick in consumer elasticity in some spots around the world. It is to be expected that we will have customer disruption in the beginning of the year in Europe. The annual negotiations are in progress. Like I said, we are on line where we were last year, and majority is agreed, but we still have some to go. And then, maybe a few words on some of the effects on the volume in Q4, which we don't think will continue in Q1 in certain instances.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

So there is some tensions in the Middle East, and that has some effect on Western brands, and we have some of those Western brands. We expect that to continue in Q1 and Q2, but gradually over the year, that will fade away, and that is the main reason why AMEA is not as strong in volume mix as you would expect. And then North America, Luca said it in the comments, in particular in the U.S., because of very one-off, specific one-off reasons, stopping a part of the range of Give & Go, the systems change in Clif, we expect to return to good volume mixed growth in North America in the beginning of next year. All these items that I'm talking about are included in our full year outlook.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

And so we believe at this stage, particularly since we have to see how the negotiations go in Europe, that we should guide towards our own algo result for 2024, probably or more towards the higher side. But we are going to continue with all the things I said, and we'll see how the negotiations go in Europe. That's probably the main question mark that we have at this stage.

Andrew Lazar
Andrew Lazar
Managing Director at Barclays

Great, great. Thank you. A quick follow-up for Luca, and then some of this you covered a little bit, Dirk, but I think there was a street expectation for organic sales growth for 2024 to maybe be a little bit above the 3%-5% long-term algorithm, just given the pricing that you're taking. So maybe, Luca, you could walk us briefly through some of the just key puts and takes to keep in mind as we think about the sales growth guidance for the year and maybe the phasing aspect of it. Thanks so much.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Thank you, Andrew. I would start by saying that guidance for 2024 in our mind is solid, particularly as we look at what drove 2023 and the continuation of that momentum into 2024. And so, we can, I believe, count on resiliencies of our categories. We're happy, as I said, in the prepared remarks on our share performance. I think you will see momentum in our share, particularly in the first half, and that is related to the unprecedented A&C investment we put forward. There are still material distribution opportunities that will help us muddle through some of the challenges that we discussed in the prepared remarks. And finally, the acquisitions, I think, will continue to be accretive for us, both in terms of top line and bottom line.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Decomposing the revenue guidance, pricing is clearly a key component of this plan. Its contribution will be a little bit less than we have seen in 2023, but it is higher than an average year, and particularly as we price away cocoa, chocolate will contribute to most of the pricing in 2024. Pricing, as we mentioned, presents a couple of challenges. One is potential customer disruption in Europe. We have planned for it. Part of it is also in the base of 2023. But while I feel positive, and Dirk said more than half of the price is secured at this point, we cannot really say what is gonna happen. And particularly as we look into Europe, clearly, we don't control customer disruption.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Having said that, I think it is important to realize that our brands are strong and that they drive significant traffic for retailers. So, couple that with the fact that prices is common to market and many competitors will have to price, I think we feel, we feel quite positive at this point in time, quite frankly. The second one is elasticity, for which I feel better because competitors, as I said, will have to price too, but also because our brands are unique, and we have been investing quite a bit. We expect for the year volume to be mildly positive, with a good contribution actually, when we excluding the customer disruption.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

So at this point in time, given we don't control the level to which customer disruption will affect the plan, we want it to be a little bit on the cautious side. Look, reality is if we push this through and we are successful, most likely there will be a revenue upside. And so, as I said, we feel good. Importantly, I want to say North America, we have very good plans as we go into 2024. And I think the lineup of all these plans, plus the combination of the momentum in the acquired platforms is good. I want to say Latin America, if in our case, continues to be good. AMEA, despite some of the challenges, has a lot of momentum in India and China that will continue.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

And finally, I think, you know, if you look at Europe, excluding customer disruption, the underlying business and the categories are doing well. So I believe the year will play out well for us, depending obviously on the extent of customer disruption.

Andrew Lazar
Andrew Lazar
Managing Director at Barclays

Thanks so much.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Thank you, Andrew.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ken Goldman, JPMorgan.

Ken Goldman
Ken Goldman
Managing Director and Lead Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Hi, good afternoon.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Hi, Ken.

Ken Goldman
Ken Goldman
Managing Director and Lead Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Hi, I just wanted to clarify a little bit about the EPS guidance. So it's on algo, off a $3.30 base, but it's actually above algo, if we think about it on a like-for-like basis versus the $3.19, right? If you exclude gum from both 2023 and 2024, and please correct me if that's not accurate. I'm just curious what gives you the confidence it'll be a little bit above algo, just on that like-for-like basis, and maybe how much of that underlying is sort of the elimination of some stranded costs as you think about it, that might just give a little bit more of a boost to the year than we might typically have?

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Yeah, thank you for the question, Ken. We wanted to make sure it was clear that we are trying to eliminate all the stranded costs, and so we really wanted to guide high single-digit off the higher base. The confidence comes from the fact that, as I said, we're gonna have, excluding the customer disruption, good volume momentum into the business, and that provides leverage. We will continue pricing in a very disciplined manner, and that will offset the material inflation that we see. Clearly, we will continue with cost discipline and productivity. And the fact that we will eliminate 70%-80% of the stranded cost into 2024 allows us to guide to a high single-digit of a higher base.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

In all this algo, we are not gonna have, I have to say, 20% A&C increase another year, but it will be, most likely, high single-digit, double digits. So we will continue investing across all the regions, across all the brands, and so we feel good about that. Remember, finally, that through the integration of Ricolino, there will be synergies coming to fruition. We are literally going live with SAP in few days, and hopefully that will unlock both revenue and cost synergies for 2024.

Ken Goldman
Ken Goldman
Managing Director and Lead Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Thank you. And then quick follow-up. You mentioned disruption a little bit more in 1Q this year. With the understanding, it's quite early, is there any way we can get a little bit more of a quantitative sense just to how to think about some of the impact potentially on the top and bottom line in the quarter? I, I realize it, like I said, it's, it's impossible to kind of completely forecast it at the time, but just any kind of magnitude at this point would be helpful as we think about our models, perhaps.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Look, I think as you look at the Q1 revenue pacing, we're gonna have a revenue, maybe a number that is a little bit below the full year algo. I think you're gonna be hopefully happy with the numbers you see across three regions out of the four. Europe is gonna be more impacted in relative terms versus the impact that we have already in the base in 2023, in Q2. And most likely, volume mix excluding the customer disruption is gonna be a nice number and positive. I believe total volume mix might be tilted to slightly negative because of the disruption, but I can't go any further than that.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

We are in the middle of negotiations and conversations with retailers, and we have planned. We have a sense of what might happen, but time will tell exactly how we will land pricing in Europe.

Ken Goldman
Ken Goldman
Managing Director and Lead Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Understood. Thank you.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Thank you, Ken.

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Spillane, Bank of America.

Bryan Spillane
Bryan Spillane
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America Corporation

Hey, thanks, operator. Good, good afternoon, Luca.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Hi, Brian.

Bryan Spillane
Bryan Spillane
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America Corporation

Hey, Luca, just a couple of questions, actually, and one is just getting back to the guidance, and I just wanna tie in, it's $2 billion share repurchase this year, but you also repurchased quite a bit of shares in the fourth quarter. So if we think about the impact that share repurchases or a lower share count would have on fiscal 2024, it should be more than the roughly 2% that a $2 billion repo would suggest, right? Just simply because the timing of your 2023 share repurchases were so late, it should drive the share count down a little bit more than we would normally see. I just wanna make sure I'm thinking about that correctly.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

I think you're thinking about that correctly, yes.

Bryan Spillane
Bryan Spillane
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America Corporation

Okay. All right. Because that's gonna square to just how much we need to burden operating profit growth, and I think it's not gonna be quite as high as I think as it would have sort of looked. Okay, thanks for that. And then the second question, just, Luca, if you could talk a little bit about Argentina. You know, it's been topical over this earnings season for companies operating there. We've seen a range of outcomes, I guess, or actions companies have taken. So if you could just kind of walk us through Argentina, does the devaluation at all have any effect on local operations? You know, what's incorporated into the guidance? And also, maybe if you can just touch on, is that what's driving the FX guidance to be so moderate?

Bryan Spillane
Bryan Spillane
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America Corporation

Because we've fielded that question a bunch over the last few minutes. Thanks.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Yeah. So Argentina for us is around about a $600 million business. We are very happy the way the business has been managed over the years. We have a clear playbook. What matters in Argentina for us is not necessarily top line growth, it's not share, it is about protecting the cash that we have there. And Argentina has been consistently generating cash for us, and we have been able also to take some cash out of the country. Some of the companies have talked about exposure on net monetary position. Our net monetary position is in control. It will go down over the course of 2024, as we have a clear playbook, playbook.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

And by the way, we incent Argentina, not like all the other business units, but we incent Argentina on net monetary position and free cash flow generation. There was a little bit of a spike in net monetary exposure in Q4, and that was as the old government put in place some price control mechanism. But as those have been released, the net monetary position in Q1 is gonna be very manageable, and I don't expect any major impact due to that. It's also fair to say that we have full control of the operation. We are free to price at this point in time, and the team is fully committed to protecting as much as they can the size and the scale of Argentina.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

I don't see any issues or whatsoever in terms of impairment. Clearly, there has been material devaluation. The parallel market runs at rates that are even higher than the official one reported, that are obviously already much higher than last year. We will have to cap most likely growth for Argentina going forward into 2024. Having said that, it becomes a moot point as we guide you to organic net revenue growth and Forex impact, and so the two offset each other. If you take the guidance we gave in terms of organic net revenue growth and the impact on revenue, which is around about 0.5 point of growth, you know, that should do the trick in terms of you forecasting Mondelēz in total.

Bryan Spillane
Bryan Spillane
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America Corporation

Thanks, Luca.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Thank you, Brian.

Operator

Our next question comes from David Palmer with Evercore.

David Palmer
David Palmer
Senior Managing Director and Head of Restaurants and Food Producers Equity Research Team at Evercore

Thanks. A couple of questions. On Europe and pricing, so often we talk about the retailer, customer, and the dynamic of getting through pricing there. I wonder, as you're taking pricing this year, is your pricing strategy to offset the dollar impact that you're gonna see from cocoa? It would seem like that would be a pretty reasonable expectation for the players there, given what's happening with cocoa, but maybe there's some timing issues for 2024 there to think about. And then, from what you've seen about the consumer there, is the price elasticity there much different than what you would see from what you see in your biscuit business in the U.S., for example?

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Yeah, yeah, your first assumption is correct in the sense that we are trying to offset the dollar impact of the inflation that we're seeing on our input costs. And we are not pricing for percentage margin, but offsetting that dollar impact, which, yes, we believe is a reasonable position. I think this year, seeing the situation in Europe and the fact that the retailers are seeing probably some deflation in other areas of their business, it is a little bit of an explanation to explain that not only cocoa but also sugar or hazelnuts are showing significant inflation, which is not the expectation. I think by now they understand that it has to happen in chocolate, so we have high hopes that we will be able to land that in a good way.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

As it relates to elasticity, I would say the elasticity in Europe has been very reasonable. We might maybe expect a little bit of an uptick as prices keep on going up for a third year in a row, and particularly in chocolate. But there is very little or low downtrending within the category because everybody will have to price, so it's a joint movement of all the brands. So we don't expect that there will be huge differences between different brands and no shifting of consumers. What we've seen in the past year is a strong price increase of 12%-15% in Europe in chocolate, with a very limited 0%-0.5% effect on volume.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

So that shows that the elasticity is very low. We think that is driven because of strong brand loyalty, the fact that chocolate has a very distinct taste profile, and consumers tend to stick with their chocolate brand because they like the taste, and people recognize the taste of their brand. So private label is very small, and people do not tend to switch brands very easy. We call it the taste of the nation. Every country has their favorite chocolate. And then on top of that, we will do significant investments, very strong activations. We've been driving seasonals very hard. The next year, we will celebrate 200 years of Cadbury, which will be a major activation in the U.K.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

So all that combined make us believe, and we have proved in the past, that the elasticity will be limited to our opinion in chocolates in Europe.

David Palmer
David Palmer
Senior Managing Director and Head of Restaurants and Food Producers Equity Research Team at Evercore

A quick follow-up. On distribution growth seems to be a key driver, a growth driver for the company. I don't think I've ever heard you say how much of your organic sales growth will come from distribution expansion. But if you had to guess, you know, how many percentage points of that organic sales targets would come from that, what, what would you say?

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Well, and roughly, you can assume for the markets where we can drive significant numerical distribution. I'm talking about in China and India, but we're now also starting to drive very hard in places like Brazil. We probably in those markets, you can expect that about 50% of our organic growth is driven through a distribution expansion. On a global basis, we're probably talking about 2% of our extra growth coming from this. The runway of this is still quite big, to give you a few numbers. So since 2019, we've added 1.7 million stores in China, India, and Brazil.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

But for instance, our biscuits are now in about three million of the potential six million stores in China, or our gum business is only in two million of the six million potential stores. In India, we've added 180,000 stores. In 2023, we deployed a 100,000 new visicoolers. But it is over 900, sorry, nine million retail outlets. We cover directly two million, and we have about three million that are indirect coverage. So we need five million of the nine million stores in India, and I can go on in different countries. So I gave you the percentages, what it means for us, and the other message here is that the runway, the years that we can keep on doing this, are quite significant going forward.

David Palmer
David Palmer
Senior Managing Director and Head of Restaurants and Food Producers Equity Research Team at Evercore

Thank you very much. That's great.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Thank you. Thank you, David.

Operator

Our next question comes from Robert Moskow with TD Cowen.

Robert Moskow
Robert Moskow
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Hi, thanks. I actually had a follow-up on the distribution question. Are you taking extra steps to monitor distribution levels at distributors or even the retailers in light of volatility of consumption? You know, there's been multinationals who have, you know, fallen into inventory deloading situations in Latam. You know, you're expanding distribution so well. I'm just wondering if you're also taking extra steps to monitor it at the same time.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Yes, yes, we, we are aware that the distribution expansion needs to be very well monitored. So what we're putting in place is a direct connection, because we use mainly distributors to make this happen. It's a direct connection to their system, so we can read what they sell per store and what the sell-in is, how much the replenishment is. So we, we monitor that very carefully. We go slow in some of the cities where we're doing the expansion, so that we make sure that we can see that setting up the whole distribution system is profitable and that it can be maintained. So we've had no surprises so far. I've, I've done this many times in my career, and I've had surprises, but so far, things have gone quite smoothly.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

I think our teams around the world know what to do. They, they're on top of it. We usually accompany these distribution expansions with very heavy activation in the cities that we are doing this. So we, we feel, we feel pretty good that we have a very controlled way of doing it. And like I said, so far, we've had no surprises whatsoever with this.

Robert Moskow
Robert Moskow
Managing Director at TD Cowen

A follow-up on that. In some of these markets, you've introduced more digitized tools to enable small retailers or distributors to order or reorder and also monitor their performance on promotions, I think. Has that improved your ability to keep track of distribution and monitor sales? Like, are the tools better than they were 10 years ago to monitor all this?

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Yes, we are still in a relatively experimental phase with that. We're, for instance, mainly experimenting with this in Latin America, largely in channels that we don't have immediate big coverage. So as an example, I would say bars in Brazil would be typically something that we don't cover directly or indirectly at the moment. But we have started to have a presence, and we are monitoring how that is going. I would say those tools help you help the retailer order directly and get our products in there. It helps us to understand how much the store sells. And yes, we can monitor promotions.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

As a tool to monitor how our distribution is evolving, it's probably complementary to the other system I was talking about, but we prefer at this stage to monitor that through our distributors. Because the way it works is they will order through this new app, and then we, through our normal distribution system, will deliver, or we will use a third party to do it. So, that's usually the source of the monitoring of distribution, not necessarily the new app for us.

Robert Moskow
Robert Moskow
Managing Director at TD Cowen

I got it. Thank you.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Powers with Deutsche Bank.

Steve Powers
Steve Powers
Equity Research Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Yes, thanks. Thanks for the question. Luca, I think, based on the EPS guidance combined with the $3.5+ billion free cash flow guidance, you know, towards the $3.5 billion, kind of ignoring the plus, if I focus on the $3.5 billion, I think it implies a 75% or lower free cash flow conversion. I just wanted to kind of throw that past you and see if that's the message you intended to convey. If so, you know, what might be some of the drags on that free cash flow conversion, or if there's a higher level of free cash flow conversion we should anchor to as a target, maybe you could talk about that.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Thank you for the question, Steve. As we think about the free cash flow and net income conversion into free cash flow, important to realize that the dividend payout of the joint ventures that we have is not 100%, and so that is a little bit of a factor as you consider the conversion. The other one I would tell you is, we're gonna have a slight uptick in CapEx, particularly as we need to invest in places like India. I mean, you look at the volume over the last five years in India, it has been stellar, and we are very happy, but we are at the point where we need to put down a little bit more capacity.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Same goes for Latin America and Oreo, and obviously we integrate platforms like Ricolino, et cetera. The other one that will come into play in terms of capital expenses for 2024 is SAP HANA. And so, I think that's another element you have to consider. I think, look, the number I would like you to focus on is what we deliver in 2023, which net of the taxes we pay for coffee is around $4 billion. And so there might be some one-time payment coming our way, and so we need to make sure that we have enough headroom. But I want to reassure you that in terms of free cash flow, we are very happy. We have best-in-class, I believe, cash conversion cycle.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

We continue to be very disciplined in terms of lowering overdue across the board, and inventories are coming down, and so we feel good about the cash flow generation of the company.

Steve Powers
Steve Powers
Equity Research Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Very good. Very good. Thank you for that. And, you know, it sounds like you're gonna talk a little bit more about this at CAGNY, but, you know, to the extent you, you can, you can talk about it now, just the, the prospects for, you know, volume recovery and organic growth acceleration, in North America, you know, I, I guess, how quickly do you think that is likely to manifest in 2024? Is that gonna be a slower build, or do you think we, we should expect some results sooner, you know, as you leverage some of the, the commercial investments it sounds like you made in the fourth quarter?

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Yes. And I think you said it right at the end there. In the fourth quarter, if you think about it, on one hand, we had a good year, and we were coming with a price increase, which by the way, has been agreed in the U.S. in the beginning of the year, so no need to push in volumes from our side. Then we had a Clif system integration changeover, and so we needed to bring our inventory down and manage it very tightly. And then we talked about the Give & Go holiday kits that we stopped selling because the margins were not interesting for us.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

So, if I exclude those, and then look at the rest of the business, the volume mix performance in Q4 was in fact quite good. So we're expecting a good volume mix performance right away in Q1 of next year. It is really a one-off situation in Q4. So we don't really necessarily feel like there is a slowdown in North America. It's not gonna be massive volume growth, but it's gonna be positive volume growth in the beginning of the year. So that's where we are. It's not gonna be a slow build-up. We will continue where we are without the exceptionals that we had in Q4.

Steve Powers
Steve Powers
Equity Research Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Okay, very good. Thanks, Dirk. I'll pass it on.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Thanks.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Thank you.

Operator

Our last question comes from Alexia Howard, Bernstein.

Alexia Howard
Alexia Howard
Research Analyst of US Foods at Bernstein

Good evening, everyone.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Hi, Alexia.

Luca Zaramella
EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International

Hi.

Alexia Howard
Alexia Howard
Research Analyst of US Foods at Bernstein

Hi. So two, two questions. First of all, on innovation. I'm just wondering if you can give us a quick status update on, whether the pace of innovation is likely to pick up going forward. It feels like with the pandemic and the supply chain disruption, it's been very hard for, to do innovation over the last several years. Do you anticipate a pickup going forward? And then I have a follow-up.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Yes, we are going through a bit of a change in the way we look at innovation. If you think about our business around the world, we have quite a rhythm of small innovation, new flavors, new sizes of packs, as we do PPA and RGM. But that leads to hundreds of small projects which do drive our business. But we are gradually eliminating probably close to half of those small projects because, in fact, over time, they don't have that much of an impact on the business. Since overall our business is doing well, we can afford to do so, and we are shifting our focus to bigger innovation projects. And so the ones that I would mention is, first of all, making healthier versions of our mainstream products.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

So I'm referring to, for instance, what you've seen so far in Oreo Gluten Free or Oreo Zero Sugar in China, Gluten-Free in the U.S., doing quite well, and you can expect that we will continue to expand those efforts across other brands. And then we are entering quite significantly in cakes and pastries, and there you can expect us to push quite hard. And so you could see the Oreo Cakesters or the Oreo Airy Cake in China. And these are all significant innovations that have the potential or tens of millions of dollars of net revenue per country. We're pushing hard on premium chocolate, so we launched, for instance, the Toblerone Pralines, or we have done some big innovations on our core chocolate tablets.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

These are bigger innovations that require more work, higher potential, but we are reshifting our efforts towards those. I don't know if I would call it what you were asking, Alexia, do we see pick up the pace of innovation? I think the impact of innovation on our growth will increase in the coming years, but it's not driven by more innovation, it's driven by better innovation, I would say.

Alexia Howard
Alexia Howard
Research Analyst of US Foods at Bernstein

Very helpful. Then could I just follow up finally, do you have any observations about the state of the American consumer? I think we've heard from other companies that there's been down trading, there's vulnerability, there's channel shifting. I'm just wondering if any of whether some of the challenges that you're seeing in North America are being driven by this consumer dynamic.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Yeah, everything you're saying is true. Let me explain it a little bit. I would say the consumer, as it relates from a behavior standpoint, as in the fourth quarter, show the biggest shifts, and I can explain a little bit the shifts that we've seen. But from a mindset perspective, from a confidence perspective in North America, probably the best in the last two and a half years. So, what they're doing is still reflecting sort of the tension they're under, but they are expecting the economy to improve and that better times are ahead for them. So what are they doing? We see a little bit more of an elasticity effect, and the way they react to that is they're waiting more.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

We see particularly light buyers waiting for promotions, so not buying with the same frequency, but buying more when it's on promotion. We see them downsizing, going to smaller formats, and buying more of those. We see shifting channels. They go to club channels, e-commerce, channels. That's, that's the one we see winning. And then we have a number of, sort of mechanical effects that we're seeing, particularly the SNAP reduction in the U.S., and so we see, less disposable income for a certain group of consumers. But overall, I would say we expect that that gradually will improve because of that mindset change that I was saying. So the, the, the overall volume, expectations as the year goes by in the U.S., we're expecting to accelerate and to get better.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

That, that's a little bit our view on the U.S. consumer at the moment.

Alexia Howard
Alexia Howard
Research Analyst of US Foods at Bernstein

Great. Thank you very much. I'll hand it back to you.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

All right. Thank you. Well, thank you. I think that was the last question. As we said, we feel very good about 2023. It was a great year for us. We are entering 2024 with good momentum. I think we're prepared for everything that we are seeing ahead of it. And as I said, there is some issues that we have to look at. But despite all that, and including those effects into our forecast for the year, we think that we're gonna have a strong year. We'll see how the client disruption goes in Europe, so we have to wait a little bit to see how the first quarter goes by. But overall, we think we will have an on to the higher side of our algorithm year at this stage that we can forecast.

Dirk Van de Put
Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International

Again, thank you, and happy to answer any of the questions that you would have, through our IR department.

Operator

Thank you, everyone. This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time.

Analysts
    • Alexia Howard
      Research Analyst of US Foods at Bernstein
    • Andrew Lazar
      Managing Director at Barclays
    • Bryan Spillane
      Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America Corporation
    • David Palmer
      Senior Managing Director and Head of Restaurants and Food Producers Equity Research Team at Evercore
    • Dirk Van de Put
      Chairman and CEO at Mondelēz International
    • Ken Goldman
      Managing Director and Lead Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.
    • Luca Zaramella
      EVP, COO, and CFO at Mondelēz International
    • Robert Moskow
      Managing Director at TD Cowen
    • Shep Dunlap
      SVP of Investor Relations at Mondelēz International
    • Steve Powers
      Equity Research Analyst at Deutsche Bank
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